stewart lee - don't get me started - part 6

[Sboy200]

anyone elce think that atheist is kida a dick..

[pefta1]

How old is this documentary? I have taught R.E. in a faith school for 14 years. This is very inaccurate. In fact any teacher/school that taught like this would fail. The R.E. curriculum must encourage all students of all faiths or no faith to think and question belief.

[majorkeybaree]

those protestors looked a right cackle of losers

[2muchbacon]

Oh, Skycake. Why must you be so delicious?

[NickOLarse999]

Stewart Lee is embarassed to say which football team he supports...so he is clearly a Man Utd fan.

[TheAlmightyAss]

i wonder what football team stewart lee supports

[MrZulle89]

@TheAlmightyAss didnt he just say that he didnt follow any team at all?

[randomsamno9]

When life seems jolly rotten, theres something you've forgotten, and thats to laugh and smile and dance and sing!

[jkcfx]

Very many thanks for uploading as missed originally. And have only ever seen Jerry Springer The Opera on DVD because of those damnable divs

[TearTheRoofOff]

@snapcrackleandpop99 I concur with Dario. I myself was taught in a non-denominational school and was taught religious stories as factual information in assemblies at an early age.

[JimmyStrident]

Fuck me, this was shown on Channel 5???

[armadillospin]

@JimmyStrident haha exactly what i thought

[comanchio1976]

@JimmyStrident No way!!?? Was it inbetween 'The boy with a shed for a head' and the endless gambling?

[fritspas]

@JimmyStrident

Didn't Stewart Lee describe, channel 5 as having sewage being pumped straight into your living room, on his commedy vehicle?

[majician2000]

@fritspas hehe no that was channel 4

[angrywhenroused]

fantasy book writers would have nothing to pad the pages with without our religious heritage

[dylandior123]

This is very interesting. Thanks for uploading this.

[MistressArte]

T__T They scare me witless too T____T

[DarioBattisti]

@snapcrackleandpop99 Well, I don't recall the guy saying that his kids went to a religious school. I'd assumed it was non-denominational.

[utar88utar]

good material. thx for upload

[GlasgowCelticPat1888]

i liked the bit about the ice storm.

[sickboyfromluton]

I'm glad this documentary decided not to take the inflammatory route of trying to discredit religion which never gets anybody anywhere, but instead decided to focus on what religion can and can't do in a liberal democracy. This is a much more useful debate.

[MalariaColon]

Perhaps even funnier than the show itself was the trailer for what was coming next. Channel five. What a place.

[kierandoyle1992]

those protesters make me ashamed to be from liverpool. it's such a conservative, racist, bigoted and narrow minded city

[0mgh4xftw]

EY LAD. WEEY.

[LauraNheques]

aw don't do the whole city down- there are bigots in every corner. liverpool's a great cosmolitan cultural centre of ... at least the country. innit?

[SolTetto]

@LauraNheques It's actually considered to be the cultural capitol of europe! believe it or not!

[Apriltheses]

@kierandoyle1992 the show was protested in loads more places than liverpool.

[richardemg]

Poor stewart lee, channel 5!

[toocoolcat]

good program. Little be one sided.

[ajkl27]

Realigion is good when it tells you to love, give, and be kind to others,it is bad when it teaches you to hate, persecute, and repress others.

I don't understand why this is so hard for some people to understand. Anything is bad when taken to an extreme, but that doesn't mean that it's bad in general.

p.s.

And, for the record, I believe an act is only sinful if in doing it you are knowingly causing harm to someone else or knowingly denying aid to someone who needs it.

[blahdelablah]

@ajk27

Yes, it's good when it encourages good values, and bad when it protects lesser values. However, there is also the question of whether the very nature of religion, a belief-based following of divine powers, is the best way to encourage a better society. You don't need to believe in God/Gods to understand the benefits of treating others with respect, so why is spreading your beliefs to others necessary? At the core, problems with religion arise as spreading your belief is seen as Gods work.

[mushroomfat]

I agree with the fahter at the begining of this clip that we are forced to chose a belief system by peer pressure as there is not option for not believing. I always stood by my beliefs whether at anytime I was a Christian faith follower or an Athiest and copped flacked no matter what.

[mushroomfat]

Super rusty boy, with that said, it still doesnt make any sense. Thats the ramblings of a schizophrenic, not a profit. To all else, I dont know If I do believe in a god. But I certainly wont take any advice from any books. Ill learn any movements' beliefs, whether from the Bible of Karan or whatever but It wont dictate to me becasue It doenst add up and to be honest alot of the values of any religious movement are pretty slapdash.

[Dukeyboy]

Right lets put an end to this bickering. I am God, and I say I don't exist.

There

[Slapbass13]

All hail Glyphon!

[mushroomfat]

YOU child, faithful one! Seek out the chalky dust of the love-salmon

[wid85]

I want to see the version of Jerry Springer the Opera as described in the pamphlets of of the fundies with 10,000 swear words and "Jesus in a nappy". It would be even better!

[russelledwards001]

great documentary.

[pixiejojo]

All I was saying was the man in the Vid needs to reread his Bible before telling everyone else what to do. There is no mention of the holy trinity in the Bible. Yes different denominations either agree or disagree on the concept. But if Christianity can't agree on incidental details and dogma who are they to say what the rest of the world should do?

Anyway, I'm not going to spend my life explaining this concept to people who can't take the time to read a post before they comment.

Hail Glyphon!

[pixiejojo]

5:44 needs to reread his Bible before he goes telling people what they can and can't watch. In the book Jesus is not God he's his son. Duh!

[ryko26]

YOU reread your bible, cock. What is the holy trinity?

[pixiejojo]

If you believe that sort of thing it would be the Father, Son and Holy spirit. But I'm going from memory, I don't own a Bible. I'm not a Christian. That said. That while the holy Trinity links Jesus and God together it does not mean they are the same. Other wise God did not sacrifice his only son to save us did he?

Anyway, no need to call me a cock. Remember, always look on the bright side of life *whistles*

[ryko26]

Well, sorry I called you a cock. Very unchristian of me.

[mytimetravellingdog]

although i agree about the bit about should think about telling people what they can and cant watch (im not religious and a believe in absolute freedom of speech)

but i do also have a working knowledge of christianity and a bible because its a fundamental aspect of our cultural heritage

but basically in christianity god, jesus and the holy spirit are one. they are different aspects of the same entity so jesus is god

[pixiejojo]

If you can quote me a part of the Bible that directly refers to Jesus as God, I'm happy to stand corrected.

[SuperRustyBoy]

John 10:30 - 'I and The Father are one'. Now shut the fuck up.

[pixiejojo]

No that's Jesus making a speech, and they are open to all sorts of interpretation, depending on what denomination you are. Also, I could declare myself to be God, it doesn't make it true. If you had a quote from Bible with God saying " Jesus and I are one" I would happily "shut the fuck up" as you so imaginatively put it.

xxxxx oooops , I mean +++++++

[SuperRustyBoy]

The word of Jesus not good enough for you? If the Trinity holds true, as many denominations believe, then the word of Christ IS the word of God.

Anyway, seeing as religion is bullshit and the bible more than most, it could be Jesus, God or a seven-hundred foot ant/lizard saying it - you said you wanted a quote from the Bible, you got one. Now go and get your fucking shine box.....

[kinamod2k]

Thats when u get into the circles that religion seems to like...

Jesus says he's God > Jesus is God > Jesus' word is God's Word > Jesus says he's God > Jesus is God... you know the rest.

[DrCruel]

That ought to go as much for evangelical atheist fundamentalists. But it never seems to.

[Regenmacher175]

Hamish Renfrew is absolutely right. there is too much correctness and those fundamentalists should learn what the word "tolerance" means and they are supported too often by selfish politicians who seek power. This whole appealing to certain masses and not individuals is genuinely frightening because those who define themselves as being non-believers are cast out. This is no productive way to organise Society.

[speedmetal99]

wow, who'd of thought channel 5 would not only show something clever, satirical and ponient, but also something that containes stewart lee, a comedy treasure and not dom jolly.

[seamuslowe]

i like the top few comments here, nice effort, no religious essays. Noone sensible cares.

[RockingOnPluto]

How to worship Stuart Lee.. you will need: a love of comedy and satire, an open mind, and a weak lemon drink.

[trallala]

And a couple of eggs to smash.

[danleespencer]

Thanks for the upload, good doc.

[poliklosio]

Why does everyone write long paragraphs in the comments? Get mature, you people! Everyone knows those things and nothing will help the others. :)

[bugblood1978]

Well thats the thing isn`t it? Not all people have reached your dizzying heights of maturity, Mr smuggy smug smug. Oh and heres a little smiley face so you won`t take offence :)

[poliklosio]

The smiley was not intended to prevent you from taking offence, but to make you sure that the last sentence is joke. And, by the way, if you look at the sense of the joke, my second sentence turns out to be a joke as well (an ironic one). Suprising, isn't it? All i wanted to say in my comment is that I am a bit tired of pointless discussions, however I am very aware that awareness is good.

[bugblood1978]

I was probably in a pissy mood that day, im sorry.

[Fangus13]

Brilliant. Thank you for uploading

[greenday21]

^ this =]

[Volterator]

"It's weakness"

Yes. Testify!

[Tradesclub]

I don't think they are referring to people like you. They seem to be talking about the religious who fear free thought or questioning of belief and you don't seem to fit that description. Below they talk about "testing faith" which is ok when one tests their own faith but not someone else's. The only universal understanding is that there is little that can be understood universally.

[catalyst8]

Well said Scarran. I'd go a step further though, & say that it's a form of mental illness.

[sebasvard]

Religion is certainly a delusion in my opinion, but as a side note, don't be too critical of those caught up in its web - very often they haven't had the chance to know any other way of living. It's hard to be rational when you've been brought up to dismiss any other way of viewing life as 'wrong'.

[tellyisrubbish]

Presumption of belief - the notion is an illusion and people who espouse it are misguided.

[winterstellar]

Yes, all schools should be secular and teach children facts. If parents want to teach their kids fairy-tales about SkyDaddies or whatever, they can do so at home.: )

[leahcrow]

She was introducing the next programme.

[jimbobeire]

Ah, no. There's plenty of other delusions as well, so one doesn't necessarily flow from the other.

[pete975]

Thanks for posting this

I missed it when it was on. A very intelligent programmes there from Stewart Lee highlighting the unholy alliance against our freedoms by an authoritarian government and the proponents of religious offence-taking.

[billyshake]

Just discovered this series. Fantastic! My thanks to the poster.

[grenangle]

Fuck the religious fundementals,

[wrighton23]

And that statement means that YOU are trying to force YOUR opinions on to those that have an alternate viewpoint to you.

I think that what this programme is trying to say is that we should allow people to be different & to believe what they believe, but the Law should not be used as a tool to justify Religious actions or intolerances.

Most religions teach love, and if we love each other then we allow people to 'live and let live', don't we?

[grenangle]

This film shows them ( religious nutjobs ) pushing their shit onto others. If anyone wants to mind their own lives they can believe what they want. These plonkers can fuck off.

[dmich12]

i don't really see how saying 'fuck the religious fundamentalists' is forcing anything upon anyone.

[blowbubblesnotbombs]

but if this progame is about putting down religion, then what is the issue about faith schools teaching children with faith?.....would you rather they go to secular schools and enduring what this programe is about?

[sebasvard]

Because faith schools reinforce the sense of division that already exists in communities with a mixture of strongly represented faiths. It is pure common sense that by educating children of different faiths together, you engender understanding and tolerance; by educating them seperately, you engender suspicion, distrust, and potentially hate.

[blowbubblesnotbombs]

but secular schools forbid to teach on any kind of faith full stop, so the ignorance comes here does it not?

in Northen Ireland they teach Catholics and Protestants together, it has done well true, but, faith schools do not reinforce division they teach tolerance.......well my school did.

"suspicion, distrust and potentially hate" mmmm sounds more like todays politics to me!

[IcarusVI]

Hmmm, I'm not sure it's correct that faith schools forbid teaching on any kind of faith... I attended a declaredly secular state school with a strong multi-faith intake, and had mandatory lessons for my entire career there on world religions. There was an emphasis on Christianity and Islam as these were the most common faiths in the school, but a basic grounding in all major religions was certainly given. This finished a year ago.

The only reasoning against religion that I received was at home.

[blowbubblesnotbombs]

in Canada before lessons started the school would start the day with a prayer over the speakers, now its forbidden. sure my comment was broad spectrum but increasingly the ability to share your faith in secular schools or work is deemed a form of fundamentalism. this is frustrating and sad. question: did you resent learning other faiths or gain insight regardless of your beliefs now?

[numsig]

maybe Jerry Springer IS omnipotent?

[Herzog1012]

I agree, but it wasn't being taught as history or literature, it was being forced upon us as devotional prayer to a god that some of us practised no devotion towards.

Telling kids "here is a song from a long time ago, it's a bit outdated, read the lyrics and see what you make of them" is one thing. Saying "sing this and sing it like you mean it or you'll get a detention" is another.

[benjidove]

There is no battle retard and if there was it would be between enlightened educated individuals on those who are in religious cults.

You have the right to believe what you want however you have no right to enforce them on other which every major religion is guilty of.

[ExMachine]

No, the laws of science are human constructions based on observations. Hence if there are no people (no scientists, no observers) it follows that there would be no science. Again, science is a human activity. The notion that the destruction of earth would have no consequences for science is frankly amusing (ask any scientist!).

[ExMachine]

If earthlings blew themselves up there wouldn't be a scientific point of view.

[fuzzygreen]

Hang on. Are you actually trying to argue that if the world was destroyed the only view would be religious? as it would only God left to observe matters? That doesn't work. That would be like saying if only Brad Pitt was left then becuase he has followers then he would be religious. Only only God exists then God is just an entity not a religion. Religion is a mechanism of worship.

[ExMachine]

No i'm not. Obviously religion is a human construction as well. And the destruction of earth would have consequences for religion as well (namely that it would vanish). This is all rather obvious. As far as i know rocks, dust, gas, even bacteria (whatevers left in the universe) are not religious. My point was that they are not scientific either. Science is precisely the human attempt to understand the workings of the universe. If humans vanish then our science vanishes too.

[karadan100]

Yes, there is such a thing as a point of view untainted by religion. Mine and hundreds of millions of other people's points of view, to be more accurate.

If you mean, no one can be totally 100% sure they are right, then yeah i agree. The point is, scientific belief is transient. All theories are challenged. Experimentation proves results. Religious belief cannot be challenged. It is completely rigid. Therefore statistically science is most likely to be correct. That's not delusion.

[karadan100]

Are you saying nuclear weapons 'should' be used??

In the case that that was an accidental double-negative, nukes weren't built for the purposes of science, they were built to blow each other up. That, to me doesn't seem like scientific reasoning, it is more like human reasoning.

I don't clearly see what any of the above has to do with my original point, though.

[karadan100]

Actually, ideas for personal libery, human rights and modern western schools of thought came from philosophers such as Plato, Socrates and Aristotle. These deep thinkers developed such ideas 400 years before Christianity was 'invented'.

[karadan100]

If there was no moral imperative in science then we'd have no modern medicine, no technology at all. We'd still be in the dark ages. Besides, where is the moral imperative for stoning someone to death in the name of God or disallowing contraception in the name of God? Hypocracy is rife in religion, it seems.

[eweyewewe]

true, but i would say that "religion" should be got rid of to be replaced by personal spirituality. "religion" means doctrine. spirtuality means personal learning and this is where the old knowledge of relgion is helpful like alan moore said, the original christians (i.e. the gnostics) were about searching for answers

[eaglepies]

There was no evidence before the 20th century for subatomic particles - therefore there was no reason to believe in them, but of course they existed. Now there is evidence that suggests they exist, so science reorientates its position to accomodate them. This is the scientific method - constantly considering new positions, not being dogmatic like religion. If evidence for god (besides a 2000 year old book) can be found, then I'll happily acknowledge his existence.

[eaglepies]

All of those things are good things that we should keep in our society, but we can surely do away with the bad sides of religion, ie. the power it has as demonstrated in this video. Religion isn't necessary for our societies to have those concepts in them, they are independant of it.

[eaglepies]

My own observations are obviously subjective based on my own condition, but they are a hell of a lot less deluded than people who believe in a supreme entity for whom there is no evidence. And there is no way of proving I'm not a brain in a vat, but the solipsist view of the universe is almost pointless to defend - as one philosopher said, to who are you writing this book (or comment) if you don't think anyone else exists?

[eaglepies]

Fantastic program, Stewart Lee is as excellent as always. They really couldn't have ended with a better song, optimistic and light-hearted! Thanks for uploading!

[eaglepies]

There's a difference between a "filter", or an opinion, and a complete delusionary belief system upon which your entire outlook and life is founded, for which there is no proof!

[perydwyn]

Okay lets get this all out of the way:

Fuck all you, Christians, Muslims, Sikhs, Sabians, Catholics, Mazdakists, Scientologists, Mormons, etc etc etc etc.

Happy happy blasphemy!

[karadan100]

Science is the persuance of truth through rigorous analysis of all aspects of a theory to prove or disprove the result.

Religion is the acceptance of truth through information passed to an individual as fact without question.

One of the above statements will help human civilisation evolve. The other will not.

[Jodamu]

Otherwise he'll be sent straight to his room without any supper!

[bodnotbod]

That was great. Thanks "I Am"... at primary school we always sang Christian hymns. There was no choice. So, aged 5-10 we just sang them. We made our own sweary words up and sniggered. But they were indoctrinating us into being C of E. As an adult you think "what the hell was that all about?"

[Rah61121]

In 1990 I started school, in 1991 I started doubting Christianity and a teacher actually hit me for not singing in assembly.

[Herzog1012]

in the twenty-FIRST century I was given a detention for not singing in assembly. The hymn was I vow to thee my country, a hymn that should have been thrown out as archaic centuries ago. I told the chaplain of the school that I objected to the content. He told me that the school had centuries of religious heritage and that I should be grateful for such a wonderful opportunity at enjoying it. I told him I didn't believe in God. He SNEERED at me and told me that I would grow up one day.

[fuzzygreen]

I'm an athiest but you still sound like a pillock.

[Herzog1012]

you don't think a hymn that revels in going to foreign countries and enslaving them, stealing their land and calling it an empire in the name of God is a bit unsavoury and shouldn't be taught to kids in the 21st century?

You're the one that sounds like a pillock, I'm just standing up for the right to an opinion.

[ChristophStokes]

You don't sound like a pillock at all. Luckily, I was at a school where not praying went unnnoticed. Or, if it was noticed, it was certainly not punishable. To have been presented with the reaction you got, you reacted in exactly the right way, ie not kow-towing to something you do not believe in. Being punished for that is wrong. You do not sound like a pillock as you were not kicking up an unnecessary fuss.

[dogball123]

all british state schools must have an"act of collective worship"everyday.the parents must opt their children out.how scary is that?

[deaken89]

(Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

Do you still believe

[thebigbristolian]

You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth. (deut 19:21) But I say to you, Do not resist the evil man [who injures you]; but if anyone strikes you on the right jaw or cheek, turn to him the other one too. Matt 5:38-39

[thebigbristolian]

mate there new testament is full of bits where jesus reinterprets the old testament such as this chapter, thats why rational ppl dont burn witches at the stake or stone adulters, but tbh i dont think the way sex is used today is a good thing to just be thrown around having girls idolise Paris Hilton etc, instead of women such as Mother Theresa or dorothy day

so in responce yes i do still believe also stewart lee is very funny and insightful but he doesnt change my beliefs

[1000fingers]

f you looked into mother theresa's history a bit more you'll find she wasn't so saintly mate....

[thebigbristolian]

true but she was only human, and at least made an effort to do good things, which is something i wish i did more of

[maureenOWW]

Yeah, I've heard she was a hell of a go-er...5 rupees a go, apparently.

[sprinkl3]

I don't think he is trying to change your belief. stewart lee was not saying that you shouldn't be religious.

he was sortof saying christians can follow christian rules, muslims can follow muslim rules. if somebody whos not religious breaks one of your rules, tough cookies. by all means complain, but don't think that you have a divine right to make them stop

[blackdice23]

Every single word, line, chapter and verse of The Bible as we know it is a simple re-writing of older myths, legends and beliefs. I'm not throwing in my opinion here; it's a known and understood fact.

[lf56]

you use the word "faith" to mean a disregard of all logic and evidence in favour of something you have been told, and yet you accuse scientists of being brain washed? the word science means a body of knowledge formed through empirical testing. surely ideas formed that way are better supported than "i know the bible is true because it says so in the bible". its a cirular explanation. if you believe god gave you a brain then do it justice and use it.

[TulseLuper]

That was great. I haven't seen Jerry Springer: The Opera and I don't know Stewart Lee (I'm American) but that was an insightful, articulate documentary that all fans of comedy and all thinking people should see. I'll be seeking out more from Lee now.

[Rumpio]

where do you get this crap? there is no "hatred", just rational thought and reasoned argument. Sit down with an open mind and start again from the beginning.

[JunkerJames]

These comments = concentrated insanity.

[slinkyskunk]

Thanks very much for uploading this. :)

[MrHardwick2]

Can I direct everyone to the One True Religeon at venganza dot org...Hail! The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster...We're all Pastafarians now!

[venners77]

GorbachevSausages. Much respect. I realise that I sometimes get so wound up by religious folk spouting nonsense that I tend to argue back and critique their belief and become as bad as them. The important point from the Stewart Lee documentary and for the future of mankind is that no-one forces their belief on anyone else whatever that may be.

[getchi]

God is dead.

[sonicwingnut]

Yeah but so is Nietzsche.

..sorry couldn't resist.

[xtcxtc123]

well done stu. 14th century w h smiths only two branches each selling one book. Atheism is non-evangelial. Eventually christians and muslims will be treated to that same mumbo jumbo test applied to other earlier delusions. a bunch of stoytellers, millions of people must've made a nice living out of it by reminding their neighbours about hell  death etc. - cheers stu all the best mate. chrism

[GorbachevSausages]

He has the right to free speech, just as you do. Just because I disagree with your views does not mean you're not allowed to spout them like you do. It's the same with Stewart Lee - he has every right to speak his views, it's not hatred, it's opinion.

It's not just about getting a laugh, either, the reason he made this show and the stage show was to make people question things. If you never have, that's your problem.

[KJGould]

And I'm guessing the same can be said of fundamentalist christians providing they're not blind to their own sin ...

[mrlewisdj]

hillarious series, once again Lee has shone

[GorbachevSausages]

The series was not made to debate the existence of a higher power (which you seem to have gathered), but to question why people can use the word "belief" as a carapace for religious notions from legitimate questions. He asks why it is that writers must be censored just because someone may be offended. If you don't want to hear something because it offends you, you don't have to listen. In your case you have seemed to just miss the point entirely. Which is your prerogative.

[boydie333]

What, can I ask, is the evidence for a doctrine that rests wholly upon the belief that we cannot understand how we are composed? If the basic proposition is that we cannot understand it, then why is there a belief sytem that entitles itself a 'science' and proposes to do just that? Creationism is absurd and religion is anathema.

[GorbachevSausages]

They seem to have the idea that the burden of proof lies upon the sceptic to disprove unfalsifiable claims of religion. I could equally argue of course my own belief in the Invisible Pink Unicorn. Like all religions, my Faith in the Invisible Pink Unicorn is based upon both logic and faith. I have faith that it is pink and I logically know that it is invisible-because I can't see it.

[TRWolf]

Thanks for posting these, I hadnt heard anything from Lee since the UK Tour.

[nightmareofsolomon]

Is it fun being an adult and still believing in fairy-t ales?

[BrianBlessedO]

If he repents he will be forgiven? What a pointlessly absurb belief.

I have just killed a child, sexually molested a horse and wiped my semen on a picture of jesus, but aslong as I ask some form of forgiveness from a deity things will be as sound as a pound.

[canvoodoo]

yes really good

[Tagemandbagem]

thanks a lot, Stewart Lee always makes interesting viewing, especially as the messiah...aaaaaaah!

[educeme]

Fantastic series. Thank you for sharing.

[BionicSheep]

Thank you very much for putting this up. Very interesting series of videos.

[RobbieCook]

Interesting set of videos. I hate the idea that I can't criticise particular people, based on what others consider acceptable. As long as I'm not enouraging harm or actually harming people, where's the problem? Though I'm against racism of any kind, I'd get arrested for using racial slurs, so therefore we don't have completely free speech.

[avantgauche]

If god is omnipitant and all powerful how can you undermine his authority?

[traincrispsstu]

by like putting a sign on his back with 'gay' written on it.

[GorbachevSausages]

^this.

[engurland]

Because its only an opinion.

[redjambluejam]

Cheers, that was really interesting.