I am not so well mannered to the muslim who told me of this false prophecy of Mohammed. I lost my temper because despite my pointing out that the Lord was saying that He who will not be able to read. Is a condemnation of those Prophets who give lip service to the Lord but their hearts are far from him. And yet despite this context I explain because he didn`t bother to check for himself he messaged me back still trying to twist what those verses meant.
@t6658 If you did acccept it I apologise however having gone back through your comments I don`t see your acceptance of this fact. For instance you gave this as part of your reply.
"These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.''
Can this verse not be interpreted as Jesus not liking being worshipped? As in their hearts are far from him, because they don't worship the father in heaven.
@krononomikon it talks about rebellious Jews and how god has put them in deep sleep (metaphorically) so their "vision of all" "BECOMES LIKE" the words of the sealed book! This is a simile comparing two DIFFERENT things directly; namely, the vision of the prophets and the sealed book, so the question is which is the sealed book? The one revealed to someone who couldn't read....
even what you you say is put before the coming of muhammed pbuh but this verse in torah excatly said by gabriel and muhammed word by word exactly with no change ,in torah how many time it reffer to blind ,either blind by vision or by ignnornce to see the truth if they mean blind it will indicate blind
Dear Brother in Humanity, if I was to have found Isaiah 29-12 lying on any street corner in this world, the only assumption I would make is that someone was writing an essay on Prophet Muhammad (sws) not knowing that it is from the Bible. When Angle Gabriel (as) came to Holy Prophet and commanded him to read and prophet(sws) said "I am not learned". Old Testament is thousands of years old so what kind of book there was then. Is it not true books in whatever form would well guarded by the Church
this text also applies to muslims today, i don't need to explain why, everyone can see why. Even Prophet Mohammad SAW prophecied, those muslims who will recite the Quran in abundance but it will not go beyond their throat.
There are similarities in that the muslim world is seeking it's own redemption at the moment, yet the people are mostly dumb deaf and blind, sinners and therefore Islam itself is seen as the problem when it isn't. This is just how God deals with each Ummah as He did to israel
i'm a muslim and i don't think that is a prophecy of Prophet Mohammad. In fact a lot of the claims by a lot of muslims are wrong, especially the 'song of songs' claim i've heard.
@krononomikon you say the Bible is imperfect, on the other you try to make it say something it does not say about 'the prophet'.
Isaiah 29:11-12: "For you the whole vision is nothing but words sealed in a scroll. And if you give the scroll to someone who can read, and say to him, "Read this, please," he will answer, "I can't; it is sealed." 12Or if you give the scroll to someone who cannot read, and say, "Read this, please," he will answer, "I don't know how to read."
Isaiah 29:13, "Therefore Yahweh said, For as much as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: Therefore once more I will astound these people with wonder upon wonder; the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Hey, maybe you're right! Muhammad did teach a bunch of man-made rules..
@krononomikon There's one thing left in those verses that I posted, which actually went also into verse 14:
since He will be astounding this people who don't want to hear the Word of the Lord one way or the other, but only follow rules taught by men, I guess God will be astounding these Muslims (which are apparently who it's about according to you, via Muhammad) with miracles, and their so-called "wisdom" will vanish, and so will all their so-called "intelligence". (think "Hadith science") ;)
@krononomikon these people say torah and bible are corrupt and tries to find verses about their pedophile prophet, remember david sings hymns, plays music to cast away devils from king saul, but mohammed clearly says no to music, isnt that satanic?
@fossilshale yes: like Jesus said, putting unbearable burdens on the backs of men!
I had a dream once about a Muslim bowing in prayer, and as he would raise up, he was in pain, because it was difficult to raise up because of the burden on his back!
@fossilshale ''isnt that satanic?'' Maybe according to your religion, just like music is satanic in our religion. Just for the record non-religous singing & all but 1 instrument, is not allowed in Islam.
''Pedophile'' - How old was Rebecca when she married Isaac, according to your Bible?
@FeignofCordor Type 'Rebecca' into wiki (now that the 24hour protest of SOPA is finished lol), scroll to the sub-heading 'Marriage and motherhood'
You will find ''According to the traditional counting cited by Rashi, Isaac was 37 years old at the time of the Binding of Isaac, and news of Rebecca's birth reached Abraham immediately after that event. Isaac was forty years old when he married Rebecca, making Rebecca three years old at the time of her marriage.''
Yes I already knew this and its from the Midrash not as you said from my Bible. There is also another telling of her age being 15 years old also from the Midrash. Now if you was familiar with how she was chosen you would know that she fetched water from the well for Eliezer and the ten Camels so using logic a 3 year old couldn`t fetch up a skin full of water much less enough to water ten camels aswell. So it is clear she wasn`t 3
@FeignofCordor Hold up! On my vid regarding the Islamic belief of the age of Aisha, you absolutely drilled me, yet I just proved to you, that your Catholic belief system, is pretty much the same, if not worse. The Jews, who you favour so much on your wall, have this 40 year old marrying a 3 year old belief, yet you aren't questioning there belief.???
First of all I "Drilled" you on the video showing clearly under age girls getting married which I believe is very wrong.
Second where have you proved that Catholic tradition makes the claim Rebbeka was 3? You originally made the claim that this Midrash story of her age can be found in the Bible which was wrong. iI clearly did question there belief remember I said a 3 year old couldn`t have drawn water from the well. also I pointed out that the midrash tells of Rebbeka being 15 so?
@FeignofCordor Obviously you didn't see the video then, which is a shame. The video disproves the 'rumour' that Hamas made under age girls get married, including referencing the man who initially took the footage.
Look, lets not mislead and deceive the people. I said, & quote '' The Jews, who you favour so much on your wall, have this 40 year old marrying a 3 year old belief, yet you aren't questioning there belief.???''. Now you tell me if this says it is the Catholic belief system?....
@t6658 You are being extremely hypocritical by drilling the Muslims from something, whilst supporting the Jews, with worse beliefs of the same subject, as found in Midrash as you said, & can also be found in the Talmud. You aren't being fair by trying to hide the same thing from your religion.
@t6658 You seem to be under the impression that because I support Israel that must mean I support everything the Jews ever wrote? Why you come to this conclusion is beyond me. I never said my faith comes from the Midrash and that it is authoritative to me. It was you who wrongly made the claim that these accounts of Rebekka being 3 years old can be found in my Bible remember. We are talking about today 2012 and in this day and age marrying a child bride is wrong and to say so is not wrong
@FeignofCordor Your an absolute liar & deceiver. You are now trying to insinuate that I am condemning you for saying no to ''child bride''. The Midrash is an opinion based on what?
You do seem to support the Jews on everything they do. I am yet to hear you say their believe on Rebecca being 3 years old marrying a 40 year old, is wrong. All your doing is denying it, & working your way around it. Your even lying about Mary & Joseph, of which evidence I quoted you from the Catholic Encyclopaedia.
There are many stories of Mary and Joseph and not all are even Christian and the apocryphal Gospels where from the start accepted as heretical by the Church. and certainly not Catholic Tradition.
@FeignofCordor ''not all are even Christian and the apocryphal Gospels where from the start accepted as heretical by the Church. and certainly not Catholic Tradition.''
Is that why it's in the Catholic Encyclopaedia, not Quran, not the Protestant teachings, not the Torah, etc.
@FeignofCordor & I pointed out to you of the midrash telling of Rebbeca being 3. It's not my fault if they contradict themselves, or if they give 2 estimates.
@t6658 Yes but assuming you have common-sense you would know that no 3 year old girl could fetch up a skin full of water from a well and carry it around giving water to everyone and their camels. I would have thought this was obvious and I did mention this before.
@FeignofCordor According to Catholic school of thought, Mary (mother of Jesus), was very young also, during her marriage to Joseph who was old at the time.
@t6658 Well i`m a Catholic all my life and I was led to believe Joseph was in his thirties and Mary was about 14 to 16 so if you can give me this Catholic source that says otherwise then my view wont change
@FeignofCordor If you go to my vid entitled ''Best Vid Answering Aisha & The Hamas Child Mass Wedding'', in the description box, you will find ''5-Age of Mary according to catholic encyclopaedia :'' with which are 2 links. The bottom link, takes you to the ''Catholic encyclopaedia: St. Joseph''. In the second paragraph, under ''Marriage'', you find, & I quote...
@t6658 I went to the links and read the account fully. Its a shame you never because if you did you would have seen from the start at the top the word " Sources" in which they claim that the only reliable accounts of Joseph`s life are in the canonical Gospels and that the apocryphal literature is unreliable. (So thus not Catholic tradition.) the fact that these apocryphal accounts get a mention in this encyclopaedia doesn`t mean they`re tradition. Do you now agree ?
@FeignofCordor ...Under that same 'sources' section, regarding the Apocryphal, it says ''casts a strong suspicion upon their contents; and, even granted that some of the facts recorded by them may be founded on trustworthy traditions, it is in most instances next to impossible to discern and sift these particles of true history from the fancies with which they are associated. ''...
@FeignofCordor RE Apocryphal; ''and, even granted that some of the facts recorded by them may be founded on trustworthy traditions, it is in most instances next to impossible to discern and sift these particles of true history''. As in unable to determine, with some maybe based on authentic teachings. Again, not as clear cut as you deceivingly make out.
Wrong if you bothered to read your own source it not only says the apocryphal accounts are unreliable but it also says that the only reliable sources for Joseph are in the Gospels. So why say its not easy to determine? You should try reading the sources you quote before using them. Why don`t you be honest and admit you got that wrong you know you have?
@FeignofCordor ...''When forty years of age, Joseph married a woman called Melcha or Escha by some, Salome by others; they lived forty-nine years together and had six children, two daughters and four sons, the youngest of whom was James (the Less, "the Lord's brother"). A year after his wife's death, as the priests announced through Judea that they wished to find in the tribe of Juda a respectable man to espouse Mary, then twelve to fourteen years of age....
@FeignofCordor ...Joseph, who was at the time ninety years old, went up to Jerusalem among the candidates''
Therefore Mary was you younger than what you have been led to believe, at 12-14, not 14-16. Joseph's second wife was Mary, who he married when she was 12-14. He, himself had been married before to a women for 49 years, with whom he had 6 children with. He married this women, called Melcha or Escha, when he was 40. You work it out...40+49=89. Peace
@MegaDwell what are you talking about? A Muslim claimed that Isaiah 29 had to do with Muhammad, so I jokingly entertained the thought and showed how Isaiah was speaking to a stubborn and rebellious people... I'm not a Muslim at all! :)
im a muslim and i dont think muslims ever tried to prove qor'an is right through the torah or bible because qor'an proves itself...
what muslims are trying to say is that torah, gospel and qor'an are from the same one god...because ofcourse some idiots really believe the claim "muslims worship moongod (god knows what a moongod is in their minds) or "mohammad is satan" or "worshiper of satan"...and so on...
god sent the qor'an by his mercy not by needs...we need god he doesnt need us
all prophets knew that a mesiah will come and he came...why would god not tell ppl that a last prophet will come? why would he exclude him? is that hard for god?
The muslim ''religion'' is no off t the Creator God they are an evil cult and satanic ,they follow their father the devil,no doubt about it. Jesus said I am the Way ,the Truth and the life NO ONE comes to the Father God but through Me. I never said it Jesus did,there is a Heaven and a hell only you can choose the right way or the wrong.
@ulsterstan that is your own uderstanding and what you heard from some other ignorant people but did you read the koran or do you have one in your home? no, then how you can know and comment about a booke that you never read? and religion you have never learnt?
@omedyashar Thank you for the clarification... my study of Isaiah 29-10-12 also reaches this conclusion. In fact some elements of the ascension story about prophet Muhammad are borrowed from those of Elaijah and Isaiah, (one of the steed 'Burraq', and one of the accompanying angel, respectively.) These stories are not found in the Quran, but quite frequently referred to in the Hadith and Tradition literature - which indicates when they would have been canonized.
The bible predicts that people that cut the flesh cannot come into the assembly of the LORD for 3-4 generations uncut. All Jews and Muslims are circumcised as children. We now know from science that cutting children changes mutates genetics. There is a mention of a flying scroll that was not meant to come until the last days of the end times.
I appreciated your very thoughtful and courteous response to this passage - nicely done. I am a Christian and I was reading through this chapter this morning this verse reminded me of the Muslim story about how Muhammed received his first revelation and I figured that they probably used it as a proof text. Thanks again.
in Song Chapter 5:16 "His mouth is most sweet; yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.'" in Hebrew "חִכּוֹ, מַמְתַקִּים, וְכֻלּוֹ, מַחֲמַדִּים; זֶה דוֹדִי וְזֶה רֵעִי, בְּנוֹת יְרוּשָׁלִָם"
this word מַחֲמַדִּ if you translate it that gives MUHAMMED is the last prophete of god "SAW" Oh son of israel why you conceal the truth, because part of your community knows that muhammed "SAW" is the prophet of God and the Quran is the word of god
lol those words speak nothing of mohammed, muslims always take the biblical scriptures out of context for their own means, but all who read the bible and not just a few verses will see that these verses speak nothing of mohammed or the quran
@shihabshihabi Abraham is regarded by Jews as the first Jew for he circumcised his son, Isaac on the eighth day after his birth, as God commanded him to do. All Jewish men are commanded by God to circumcise their sons on the eighth day after their birth. To this day all Jewish males are circumcised on the eighth day after being born.
[3:67] Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah's (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah.
[3:68] Without doubt, among men, the nearest of kin to Abraham, are those who follow him, as are also this Prophet and those who believe: And Allah is the Protector of those who have faith.
He is regarded as Jewish according to the LITERAL meaning of the word Jew (Yehudi) -- the word means refers to one who acknowledges, glorifies, publicizes, proclaims the TRANSCENDENT-ONE, the Almighty Creator. I've already explained this in several videos.
No educated Jew claims that Abraham was a Jew in the sense of belonging to the tribe of Judah. Abraham wasn't even an Israelite, nor do Jews think he was obligated in the Torah given to Israel. He voluntarily kept some of the laws.
According to halakha (practical Torah-law), an Israelite (or "Jew") who knowingly and intentionally abandons observance of G-d's commandments in the Torah obtains a legal status like a non-Israelite / a non-Jew, only LOWER.
You know no one who is a citizen of more than one nation? I know TONS of such people, including many Muslims. What's the contradiction?
"Jesus did say that he was sent to the lost sheep of Israel but after his resurrection he commanded his disciples to preach the Gospel to all nations."
OK, smart ass, I thought that abrogation is not allowed for God and you have been mocking Muslims for believing that God can abrogates his legal ruling?
Deuteronomy 24:16 - "Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin."
Ezekiel 18:20 - "The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself."
Second, in your belie, is Jesus a servant (worshipper/salve) of the Lord or his equal son?
As I said before, modern Western SECULAR civilization (which you personally do not represent) is more adavanced than past Muslim civilization on all MATERIAL levels (technology, industry, agrecultural, etc).
However, Western secular civilization is extremely backward on the religious level because of beleiving in Pauline Christianity and barberic on the political level as exihibited by WWI, WWII, Atomic bombing of Japan, supporting Israil and invading Iraq and Afghanistan..
@shihabshihabi God proved Jesus died and rose from the dead by silencing Ahmed Deedat for his blasphemy against the Christian faith. He was punished so that he could no longer speak or swallow. He did this in answer to Christian prayer. Christians have spiritual power from the Holy Spirit to fight the enemies of God.
You really keep on proving to me that you are a typical retarded Pauline Christian! What a shame! Are you a truth seeker and willing to accept truth no matter where it come from or not?
Were you personally there with God when He answered the Christian prayers to silence Ahmed Deedat?
So tell me why did God send Deedat's Christian opponent debater, Anis Shorrosh to Jail for Arson? Was God answering Muslim prayers too?
Now tell me, if Deedat easily crushed all Christian preachers of his time and as a very old man was not able to speak at the very end of his life while his defeated Christian opponents were either sent to Jail for crimes or publicized for scandals which side God is you think with?
@shihabshihabi Go study the Bible. Adam and Eve were created on earth in the Garden of Eden. They were created by God as normal sized human beings and not as giants as Muhammed wrongly believed. They were not forgiven of their sin but cast out of the Garden of Eden as a punishment.
I did study the bible just to refute your stupidity. Show me the Garden of Eden on the Earth map. Man, I want to go there.
You don't know what size Adam and Eve were. You have no evidence. Bible does not say what size they were and even if it says other than what Prophet Mohammed said, his word should supersede as it has been proved that he is the truthful and the current bible lies.
Adam and Eve were definitely forgiven of their very minor slip and Adam was later made a prophet. Why not? His slip is much more minor than your crime of saying that God has a literal son and if you repent before you die God will forgive you so why not Adam and Eve?
As per God previous plan, Adam and Eve were made to slip to teach them a lesson on Satan temptation and on repentance to God in preparation for their earthy mission and were removed from the Garden of Eden temporarily to put humans to test.
Adam and Eve, along with all Muslims (submitters to God alone), will soon return to the Garden of Eden while polytheistic people like you will be deprived from it and sent to Hell Fire instead.
@shihabshihabi There is no evidence that the Jews ever worshipped Ezra as a son of God. All Israelites are called sons of God in the Psalms(Zabur). The ignorant Muhammed did not understand the spiritual understanding of son of God. In his ignorance, Muhammed condemns any use of the term son of God. He is cursed by God for his stupidity.
@shihabshihabi Muslims misunderstand the concept of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God. The Holy Spirit is the power of God that inspires men to speak, do good works and peform miracles for God. The Holy Spiirt is not an angel or a creation of God. The Holy Spirit is One God with the Father and the Son.
Go to kindergarten so they teach you along with other little kids that one never equals three.
You are really a lost sheep, rather donkey.
[62:5] The similitude of those who were charged with the (obligations of the) Mosaic Law, but who subsequently failed in those (obligations), is that of a donkey which carries huge tomes (but understands them not). Evil is the similitude of people who falsify the Signs of Allah: and Allah guides not people who do wrong.
All what you said do not prove that Jesus was a god as the son of God throughout the Old testement is not literal.
Messiah, annointed one, prophet and son of God all means that he is a human good servent of God. Servent means nothing than a worshiper. When you worship a god you are automatically his slave. There exists only God and his slaves.
Have not the above quotes convince you to at least respect the greatest human being ever walked on Earth and to study his biography unbiasly as these great intellectual gentlemen did?
What a dramatic succession of picturesque scenes. There is Muhammad the Prophet. There is Muhammad the Warrior; Muhammad the Businessman; Muhammad the Statesman; Muhammad the Orator; Muhammad the Reformer; Muhammad the Refuge of Orphans; Muhammad the Protector of Slaves; Muhammad the Emancipator of Women; Muhammad the Judge; Muhammad the Saint. All in all these magnificent roles, in all these departments of human activities, he is alike a hero."
K. S. Ramakrishna Rao, an Hindu professor of Philosophy, wrote in "Muhammad the Prophet of Islam":
"Muhammad is the perfect model for human life. The personality of Muhammad, it is most difficult to get into the whole truth of it. Only a glimpse of it I can catch.
These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the 2nd volume (of the Prophet's biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of the great life."
"I wanted to know the best of one who holds today undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind... I became more than convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission.
EWolfgang Goethe, the greatest European poet ever, wrote:
"He is a prophet and not a poet and therefore his Koran is to be seen as Divine Law and not as a book of a human being, made for education or entertainment."
[EWolfgang Goethe, Noten und Abhandlungen zum Weststlichen Dvan, WA I, 7, 32]
George Bernard Shaw, an Irish playwright Nobel Prize and Oscar winner wrote in "The Genuine Islam" in 1936:
"He must be called the Savior of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it much needed peace and happiness."
[George Bernard Shaw, The Genuine Islam, Singapore, Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936]
"Head of the state as well as the Church, he was Caesar and Pope in one; but, he was pope without the pope's claims, and Caesar without the legions of Caesar, without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a palace, without a fixed revenue. If ever any man had the right to say that he ruled by a Right Divine, it was Mohammad, for he had all the power without instruments and without its support.
Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad.
As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?"
[Alphonse de Lamartine, HISTOIRE DE LA TURQUIE, Paris, 1854, Vol. II, pp. 276-277.]
(Regarding Muhammad) "... a mass of detail in the early sources shows that he was an honest and upright man who had gained the respect and loyalty of others who were likewise honest and upright men."
Influence: The central human figure of Islam, regarded by Muslims as the messenger and last prophet of God. Active as a social reformer, diplomat, merchant, philosopher, orator, legislator, and military leader.
Also, many Christian historians and authors confirmed that the Christian scriptures ha been restricted to monks and preists and common christians just listen to preists in churches until the 1600s when the rule of the satanic church/spirit was over and bible was translated into local languges, printed and got circilated among the public.
@shihabshihabi Muslims reject the true words of Jesus found the the Gospel. Instead, they believe the words of a man who never met Jesus but lived centuries after Jesus died and was resurrected from the dead. They will be ashamed on the Day of Judgement when they realize their foolishness for having believed the lies of Muhammed.
@shihabshihabi Muhammed implimented his own kingdom built on the lies of the Quran. The true kingdom of God is not of this world. It must be entered by being born again of the Spirit as sons of God made in the image of Christ, the eternal son of God.
@shihabshihabi Muhammed was at first on friendly terms with Christians and Jews, but later turned against them when they would not accept him as a prophet from God. He accused them of misreading their scriptures when they tried to show him his error.
No sexual act means no literal son so only cloning remains therefore the relationship must be God to a created slave just like any other human being.
If you say "but Jesus has no father" , we say Adam has neither father nor mother and not evan cloned but created from dust and Eve has neither father nor mother but was cloned from Adam.
@shihabshihabi Muhammed had many chances to discuss the scriptures with Christians and Jews of Arabia. It's how he leaned the stories from the Talmud and Bible which he later altered in his Quran.
@shihabshihabi You're mistaken, the early Church Fathers didn't make any changes to the Bible. St Jerome translated the Hebrew Bible into Latin with the help of Jewish scholars - the Latin Vulgate Bible was the result. It's the same Bible used by Christians in the time of Muhhammed and which Muhammed said we must hold fast to, obey and judge by.
You just said above that Christianity is an ever evolving religion and the Holy Spirit is always whispering in the ears of early Church Fathers and scribes so every time the Holy Spirit wispers an evolution the fathers and thier scribes change the bible accordingly.
Quran said you must hold fast to, obey and judge by the true part of the bile as it repeatedly stated that it contains false portion.
Quran tells you to expell perversity from your heart and be among the truth seekers who are firmly grounded in knowledge and who follow the basic, fundamental, established meaning verses which are the foundation of the Book.
@shihabshihabi The Quran does not say the Bible has a false portion. The Quran(5:48) was sent to confirm the previous scriptures but not to correct them.
Quran warns you not to be among those in whose hearts is perversity who follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah.
islam is fake and a joke, muslims are troubled, they are still tryin to prove to Christians that, the quran, allah and mohammed are true becus the bible talks about them?, We Christians CAST OUT ur false quran, ur false god allah n rapist prophet OUT of our BIBLE IN JESUS NAME, we will NEVER teach this GARBAGE IN OUR CHURCHES, YUCK!!!! keep on with ur obsession with the bible, it only proves how false islam is,ur so called prophet was a THUG and RAPIST and thats the SHAME u follow anyway
@Yitzhak010 I'm glad to see that you are a seeker of truth. More Muslims should dare to question Islam. Fear and ignorance keeps Muslims trapped in Islam and away from knowledge of the true God of Abraham.
Regarding the stories in Quraan vs Bible, you are basing your argument on the assumption that Quraan should match Bible and this is extremely wrong.
Bible scholers have proven that all bible chapters are human complied and that they lack the names of the acual authors and authentic continuous chain of reporters and that they contain thousands of errors due to accidental and intentinal scribes alerations and due succesive translations into several languages.
@shihabshihabi The Quran should match the Bible. The Quran(5:46-48) was sent to confirm the previous scriptures, but not to correct them. Muhammed did not believe the Bible to be corrupted. He tells Christians and Jews to study, obey and hold fast to their scriptures (Quran3:93, 5:66,68).
Why Quran should match the Bible if your ancesstors maniplated the Bible and both Jesus and your current unbiased schollers admit it?
Bothe Jesus and Quraan tells Christians and Jews to study, obey and hold fast to the true parts of their scriptures and damn them repeatedly for manipilating the other parts.
@shihabshihabi The Dead Sea Scrolls prove the Bible has not been manipulated. The Dead Sea Scrolls prove Islam is a corrupt and lying religion invented by an ignorant and false prophet.
Misquoting Jesus: Scribes Who Altered Scripture and Readers Who May Never Know," a textual criticism of Biblical manuscript tampering by Bart Ehrman, Professor or Religious Studies of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
Also check the lectures of Gary Miller/Ahmed Deedat and Dr, Jerald Dirks on Youtube.
All the above three gentlemen are BIBLE scholers not idiot liers like you.
[3:187] And remember Allah took a covenant from the People of the Book, to make it known and clear to mankind, and not to hide it; but they threw it away behind their backs, and purchased with it some miserable gain! And vile was the bargain they made!
[5:13] But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them,
Quran tells Christians and Jews to study, obey and hold fast to the CLEAR, COMMON SENCE, AND CONSISTANT part of their scriptures not to follow ambiguous, irrational and confusing parts.
@shihabshihabi In the Book of Proverbs, the Bible tells us "it is the glory of God to hide a matter and the glory of kings is to seek it out." Jesus told his disciples that they have been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God. Christians have been granted to know the mind of Christ by having the Holy Spirit as their guide, Christians have been granted to be a nation of kings and priests.
So God sent thousands of prophets and messangers and reveiled many books to create a secrative mysterious society similar to the free mason Satanic society?
If this the case why did not he keep the secrates and mysteries to himself?
This how your priests and monks cheated you so that you believe in the most unlogical concept on earth the trinity (3=1) and other stipid christian concepts.
Whenever you question them the immediate answer is that is a mystery.
Do you know that christian public from day 1 of christianity was baned from accessing christian bible nor translate it from Greek/Latin to the local languages (such as English, French, German, etc) until around 1600 after the public repelled against the Pope? The public were allowed to hear what preists translated on the spot and wanted them to hear.
Just Imagine how many changes were made to the secrative scriptures by monks and preists as the public do not know what was going on.
Christians have been granted to be the most stupid/astray people on earth by adopting the heathens trinity concept and beliving that a son can bear his father's sin against clrear old testement statements.
And by not understandin what the Holy Spirit is while the bible clearly state that it is an angle slave to God.
Their claimed imaginary Holy Spirit guided them to write too mamy contradicting books which are translations of translations of translations and copies of copies of copies and versions of versions of versions.
Their claimed imaginary Holy Spirit also guided them to create churches of churches of churches and sects and sects of sects and each sect curses the other sect
Their claimed imaginary Holy Spirit also guided them to be the most criminal people in the world in theft, rape, kiling (WW I & II) and the only people used the atomic bombs on human (Japan),
The only thing christians have is modern technological advancement and you know why? Because they repelled thair stupid religion and retarded clergy men and became secular otherwise they would still be in their 1600 years old filth.
[3:7] He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah.
@shihabshihabi The Bible also has hidden meanings. The hidden meanings of the Bible are revealed by the Holy Spirit to those who love God and seek his mysteries in the Bible and in nature, God's other scripture.
See my detailed responses above if you have a grain of brain.
You seem to be among those in whose hearts is perversity who follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah.
Expell perversity from your heart and be among the truth seekers who follow the basic, fundamental, established meaning verses which are the foundation of the Book.
I am not so well mannered to the muslim who told me of this false prophecy of Mohammed. I lost my temper because despite my pointing out that the Lord was saying that He who will not be able to read. Is a condemnation of those Prophets who give lip service to the Lord but their hearts are far from him. And yet despite this context I explain because he didn`t bother to check for himself he messaged me back still trying to twist what those verses meant.
That angers me greatly
FeignofCordor 1 month ago
@FeignofCordor If this refers to me, then you are a liar, as I accepted this. If you are not, then my apologies
t6658 1 month ago
@t6658 If you did acccept it I apologise however having gone back through your comments I don`t see your acceptance of this fact. For instance you gave this as part of your reply.
"These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.''
Can this verse not be interpreted as Jesus not liking being worshipped? As in their hearts are far from him, because they don't worship the father in heaven.
not really accepting hence my frustration
FeignofCordor 1 month ago
@FeignofCordor I accepted you were right, & as you quoted, I was asking 'IF' it could be interpreted in another way, hence the '?'.
t6658 1 month ago
@krononomikon it talks about rebellious Jews and how god has put them in deep sleep (metaphorically) so their "vision of all" "BECOMES LIKE" the words of the sealed book! This is a simile comparing two DIFFERENT things directly; namely, the vision of the prophets and the sealed book, so the question is which is the sealed book? The one revealed to someone who couldn't read....
NeXuzMotionzz 2 months ago
This video is so hard to follow because of the slow pace. Oh God.. so slow..
Alshahadah 7 months ago
even what you you say is put before the coming of muhammed pbuh but this verse in torah excatly said by gabriel and muhammed word by word exactly with no change ,in torah how many time it reffer to blind ,either blind by vision or by ignnornce to see the truth if they mean blind it will indicate blind
sugerdrops 8 months ago
Dear Brother in Humanity, if I was to have found Isaiah 29-12 lying on any street corner in this world, the only assumption I would make is that someone was writing an essay on Prophet Muhammad (sws) not knowing that it is from the Bible. When Angle Gabriel (as) came to Holy Prophet and commanded him to read and prophet(sws) said "I am not learned". Old Testament is thousands of years old so what kind of book there was then. Is it not true books in whatever form would well guarded by the Church
Hussain601 10 months ago
to any one who said that Prophet Muhadmmad is not in the bible or the torah
search on youtube "Truth Will Prevail"
bestworldever07 10 months ago
@bestworldever07 we dont need proof from mushrik i reject bible and Jesus
ilovladoo 7 months ago
@bestworldever07 I think I found Muhammad and Joseph Smith in the Bible!
>>> Revelation 13:11 <<<
krononomikon 4 months ago
islam alone is not enaugh u need to be mumin and mutaqin
nazifdaniel 10 months ago
this text also applies to muslims today, i don't need to explain why, everyone can see why. Even Prophet Mohammad SAW prophecied, those muslims who will recite the Quran in abundance but it will not go beyond their throat.
There are similarities in that the muslim world is seeking it's own redemption at the moment, yet the people are mostly dumb deaf and blind, sinners and therefore Islam itself is seen as the problem when it isn't. This is just how God deals with each Ummah as He did to israel
molvicorleone 11 months ago
i'm a muslim and i don't think that is a prophecy of Prophet Mohammad. In fact a lot of the claims by a lot of muslims are wrong, especially the 'song of songs' claim i've heard.
molvicorleone 11 months ago
Jesus called the persons in Isaiah 29:11-12, Hypocrites. Matthew 15:7
MegaDwell 1 year ago
@MegaDwell Hey, maybe they're on to something with Muhammad, then, by saying Isaiah is speaking of Muhammad! ;) ;) ;)
krononomikon 4 months ago
@krononomikon you say the Bible is imperfect, on the other you try to make it say something it does not say about 'the prophet'.
Isaiah 29:11-12: "For you the whole vision is nothing but words sealed in a scroll. And if you give the scroll to someone who can read, and say to him, "Read this, please," he will answer, "I can't; it is sealed." 12Or if you give the scroll to someone who cannot read, and say, "Read this, please," he will answer, "I don't know how to read."
fossilshale 3 months ago
@fossilshale Let's read the next verse!
Isaiah 29:13, "Therefore Yahweh said, For as much as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: Therefore once more I will astound these people with wonder upon wonder; the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Hey, maybe you're right! Muhammad did teach a bunch of man-made rules..
krononomikon 3 months ago
@krononomikon There's one thing left in those verses that I posted, which actually went also into verse 14:
since He will be astounding this people who don't want to hear the Word of the Lord one way or the other, but only follow rules taught by men, I guess God will be astounding these Muslims (which are apparently who it's about according to you, via Muhammad) with miracles, and their so-called "wisdom" will vanish, and so will all their so-called "intelligence". (think "Hadith science") ;)
krononomikon 3 months ago
@krononomikon these people say torah and bible are corrupt and tries to find verses about their pedophile prophet, remember david sings hymns, plays music to cast away devils from king saul, but mohammed clearly says no to music, isnt that satanic?
fossilshale 3 months ago
@fossilshale yes: like Jesus said, putting unbearable burdens on the backs of men!
I had a dream once about a Muslim bowing in prayer, and as he would raise up, he was in pain, because it was difficult to raise up because of the burden on his back!
krononomikon 3 months ago
@fossilshale ''isnt that satanic?'' Maybe according to your religion, just like music is satanic in our religion. Just for the record non-religous singing & all but 1 instrument, is not allowed in Islam.
''Pedophile'' - How old was Rebecca when she married Isaac, according to your Bible?
t6658 1 month ago
@t6658
Why not tell me how old Rebecca was according to my Bible? As I remember no talk of her age was mentioned unless i`m mistaken
FeignofCordor 1 month ago
@FeignofCordor Type 'Rebecca' into wiki (now that the 24hour protest of SOPA is finished lol), scroll to the sub-heading 'Marriage and motherhood'
You will find ''According to the traditional counting cited by Rashi, Isaac was 37 years old at the time of the Binding of Isaac, and news of Rebecca's birth reached Abraham immediately after that event. Isaac was forty years old when he married Rebecca, making Rebecca three years old at the time of her marriage.''
Peace
t6658 1 month ago
@t6658
Yes I already knew this and its from the Midrash not as you said from my Bible. There is also another telling of her age being 15 years old also from the Midrash. Now if you was familiar with how she was chosen you would know that she fetched water from the well for Eliezer and the ten Camels so using logic a 3 year old couldn`t fetch up a skin full of water much less enough to water ten camels aswell. So it is clear she wasn`t 3
FeignofCordor 1 month ago
@FeignofCordor Hold up! On my vid regarding the Islamic belief of the age of Aisha, you absolutely drilled me, yet I just proved to you, that your Catholic belief system, is pretty much the same, if not worse. The Jews, who you favour so much on your wall, have this 40 year old marrying a 3 year old belief, yet you aren't questioning there belief.???
t6658 1 month ago
@t6658
First of all I "Drilled" you on the video showing clearly under age girls getting married which I believe is very wrong.
Second where have you proved that Catholic tradition makes the claim Rebbeka was 3? You originally made the claim that this Midrash story of her age can be found in the Bible which was wrong. iI clearly did question there belief remember I said a 3 year old couldn`t have drawn water from the well. also I pointed out that the midrash tells of Rebbeka being 15 so?
FeignofCordor 1 month ago
@FeignofCordor Obviously you didn't see the video then, which is a shame. The video disproves the 'rumour' that Hamas made under age girls get married, including referencing the man who initially took the footage.
Look, lets not mislead and deceive the people. I said, & quote '' The Jews, who you favour so much on your wall, have this 40 year old marrying a 3 year old belief, yet you aren't questioning there belief.???''. Now you tell me if this says it is the Catholic belief system?....
t6658 1 month ago
@t6658 You are being extremely hypocritical by drilling the Muslims from something, whilst supporting the Jews, with worse beliefs of the same subject, as found in Midrash as you said, & can also be found in the Talmud. You aren't being fair by trying to hide the same thing from your religion.
t6658 1 month ago
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FeignofCordor 1 month ago
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@t6658 You seem to be under the impression that because I support Israel that must mean I support everything the Jews ever wrote? Why you come to this conclusion is beyond me. I never said my faith comes from the Midrash and that it is authoritative to me. It was you who wrongly made the claim that these accounts of Rebekka being 3 years old can be found in my Bible remember. We are talking about today 2012 and in this day and age marrying a child bride is wrong and to say so is not wrong
FeignofCordor 1 month ago
@FeignofCordor Your an absolute liar & deceiver. You are now trying to insinuate that I am condemning you for saying no to ''child bride''. The Midrash is an opinion based on what?
You do seem to support the Jews on everything they do. I am yet to hear you say their believe on Rebecca being 3 years old marrying a 40 year old, is wrong. All your doing is denying it, & working your way around it. Your even lying about Mary & Joseph, of which evidence I quoted you from the Catholic Encyclopaedia.
t6658 1 month ago
@FeignofCordor When it comes to Catholic tradition, I was referencing Mary & Joseph.
t6658 1 month ago
@t6658
There are many stories of Mary and Joseph and not all are even Christian and the apocryphal Gospels where from the start accepted as heretical by the Church. and certainly not Catholic Tradition.
FeignofCordor 1 month ago
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@FeignofCordor ''not all are even Christian and the apocryphal Gospels where from the start accepted as heretical by the Church. and certainly not Catholic Tradition.''
Is that why it's in the Catholic Encyclopaedia, not Quran, not the Protestant teachings, not the Torah, etc.
t6658 1 month ago
@FeignofCordor & I pointed out to you of the midrash telling of Rebbeca being 3. It's not my fault if they contradict themselves, or if they give 2 estimates.
t6658 1 month ago
@t6658 Yes but assuming you have common-sense you would know that no 3 year old girl could fetch up a skin full of water from a well and carry it around giving water to everyone and their camels. I would have thought this was obvious and I did mention this before.
FeignofCordor 1 month ago
@FeignofCordor Why are you convincing me, did I right the Midrash?
t6658 1 month ago
@FeignofCordor Please know this was not an attack on Christianity, but a defence of Islam.
t6658 1 month ago
@t6658 You can critisize Christianity all you wont so long as your criticism is correct
FeignofCordor 1 month ago
@FeignofCordor According to Catholic school of thought, Mary (mother of Jesus), was very young also, during her marriage to Joseph who was old at the time.
t6658 1 month ago
@t6658 Well i`m a Catholic all my life and I was led to believe Joseph was in his thirties and Mary was about 14 to 16 so if you can give me this Catholic source that says otherwise then my view wont change
FeignofCordor 1 month ago
@FeignofCordor If you go to my vid entitled ''Best Vid Answering Aisha & The Hamas Child Mass Wedding'', in the description box, you will find ''5-Age of Mary according to catholic encyclopaedia :'' with which are 2 links. The bottom link, takes you to the ''Catholic encyclopaedia: St. Joseph''. In the second paragraph, under ''Marriage'', you find, & I quote...
t6658 1 month ago
@t6658 I went to the links and read the account fully. Its a shame you never because if you did you would have seen from the start at the top the word " Sources" in which they claim that the only reliable accounts of Joseph`s life are in the canonical Gospels and that the apocryphal literature is unreliable. (So thus not Catholic tradition.) the fact that these apocryphal accounts get a mention in this encyclopaedia doesn`t mean they`re tradition. Do you now agree ?
FeignofCordor 1 month ago 2
@FeignofCordor Look, it's in the Catholic encyclopaedia, I was merely quoting. It is there for everyone to see.
If you are referring to the first and third Gospels; they are ''practically'' also the only reliable sources. So not ''The only sources''.
t6658 1 month ago
@FeignofCordor ...Under that same 'sources' section, regarding the Apocryphal, it says ''casts a strong suspicion upon their contents; and, even granted that some of the facts recorded by them may be founded on trustworthy traditions, it is in most instances next to impossible to discern and sift these particles of true history from the fancies with which they are associated. ''...
t6658 1 month ago
@t6658 Your source makes it very clear that the apocryphal accounts are UNRELIABLE thats their words not mine. So no confusion
FeignofCordor 1 month ago
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@FeignofCordor RE Apocryphal; ''and, even granted that some of the facts recorded by them may be founded on trustworthy traditions, it is in most instances next to impossible to discern and sift these particles of true history''. As in unable to determine, with some maybe based on authentic teachings. Again, not as clear cut as you deceivingly make out.
t6658 1 month ago
@FeignofCordor ...As in, some are based on trustworthy traditions & it is not easy to determine right from wrong. So not as definite as you made.
t6658 1 month ago
@t6658
Wrong if you bothered to read your own source it not only says the apocryphal accounts are unreliable but it also says that the only reliable sources for Joseph are in the Gospels. So why say its not easy to determine? You should try reading the sources you quote before using them. Why don`t you be honest and admit you got that wrong you know you have?
FeignofCordor 1 month ago
@FeignofCordor Oh my God, your such a liar. It is not as definite or clear cut as you make, as I have QUOTED before.
t6658 1 month ago
@FeignofCordor ...''When forty years of age, Joseph married a woman called Melcha or Escha by some, Salome by others; they lived forty-nine years together and had six children, two daughters and four sons, the youngest of whom was James (the Less, "the Lord's brother"). A year after his wife's death, as the priests announced through Judea that they wished to find in the tribe of Juda a respectable man to espouse Mary, then twelve to fourteen years of age....
t6658 1 month ago
@FeignofCordor ...Joseph, who was at the time ninety years old, went up to Jerusalem among the candidates''
Therefore Mary was you younger than what you have been led to believe, at 12-14, not 14-16. Joseph's second wife was Mary, who he married when she was 12-14. He, himself had been married before to a women for 49 years, with whom he had 6 children with. He married this women, called Melcha or Escha, when he was 40. You work it out...40+49=89. Peace
t6658 1 month ago
@FeignofCordor You might be interested to know that Joseph is not mentioned in Islamic belief.
t6658 1 month ago
@krononomikon Isaiah 29:13 and Matthew 15:8 are similar.
MegaDwell 3 months ago
@MegaDwell yes, of course! Jesus was quoting Isaiah there.
krononomikon 3 months ago
@krononomikon You know nothings about prophet, what he is doing. Jesus spoken to learned and unlearned, prophet Isaiah didn't.
You had called your prophet, hypocrite to be burned in hell.
MegaDwell 3 months ago
@MegaDwell what are you talking about? A Muslim claimed that Isaiah 29 had to do with Muhammad, so I jokingly entertained the thought and showed how Isaiah was speaking to a stubborn and rebellious people... I'm not a Muslim at all! :)
krononomikon 3 months ago
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@krononomikon If you are not a muslim, why you are telling lies for muslim and Satan ?
MegaDwell 3 months ago
@krononomikon You have been condemned your own prophet to hell. Hypocrites are muslim who didn't obeyed the quran.
MegaDwell 3 months ago
im a muslim and i dont think muslims ever tried to prove qor'an is right through the torah or bible because qor'an proves itself...
what muslims are trying to say is that torah, gospel and qor'an are from the same one god...because ofcourse some idiots really believe the claim "muslims worship moongod (god knows what a moongod is in their minds) or "mohammad is satan" or "worshiper of satan"...and so on...
god sent the qor'an by his mercy not by needs...we need god he doesnt need us
khalilrabee 1 year ago
some ppl dont understand...
all prophets knew that a mesiah will come and he came...why would god not tell ppl that a last prophet will come? why would he exclude him? is that hard for god?
ofcourse not...
but its hard for ppl to admit
khalilrabee 1 year ago
The muslim ''religion'' is no off t the Creator God they are an evil cult and satanic ,they follow their father the devil,no doubt about it. Jesus said I am the Way ,the Truth and the life NO ONE comes to the Father God but through Me. I never said it Jesus did,there is a Heaven and a hell only you can choose the right way or the wrong.
ulsterstan 1 year ago
@ulsterstan r u rational or fool
the bible says the fools are right in their on ways
muhubo 1 year ago
@ulsterstan that is your own uderstanding and what you heard from some other ignorant people but did you read the koran or do you have one in your home? no, then how you can know and comment about a booke that you never read? and religion you have never learnt?
zOmAlGaNg23 1 year ago
It is simple.
Verse 10 sets up verses 11 & 12
If muslims would read & understand this, they would KNOW this has NOTHING to do with Muhammad.
Are muslims & Islam so despearate to legitimze Islam they have to stoop so low & try to bring Muhammad in the bible?
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
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ellisu 1 year ago
@omedyashar Thank you for the clarification... my study of Isaiah 29-10-12 also reaches this conclusion. In fact some elements of the ascension story about prophet Muhammad are borrowed from those of Elaijah and Isaiah, (one of the steed 'Burraq', and one of the accompanying angel, respectively.) These stories are not found in the Quran, but quite frequently referred to in the Hadith and Tradition literature - which indicates when they would have been canonized.
hypnotix2000 1 year ago
The bible predicts that people that cut the flesh cannot come into the assembly of the LORD for 3-4 generations uncut. All Jews and Muslims are circumcised as children. We now know from science that cutting children changes mutates genetics. There is a mention of a flying scroll that was not meant to come until the last days of the end times.
academysounds 1 year ago
lol very boring vid,u do need to sleep,the only thing u did was show us that the one who is not learned ,will have the truth :-))
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
I appreciated your very thoughtful and courteous response to this passage - nicely done. I am a Christian and I was reading through this chapter this morning this verse reminded me of the Muslim story about how Muhammed received his first revelation and I figured that they probably used it as a proof text. Thanks again.
ekmike 1 year ago
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in Song Chapter 5:16 "His mouth is most sweet; yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.'" in Hebrew "חִכּוֹ, מַמְתַקִּים, וְכֻלּוֹ, מַחֲמַדִּים; זֶה דוֹדִי וְזֶה רֵעִי, בְּנוֹת יְרוּשָׁלִָם"
this word מַחֲמַדִּ if you translate it that gives MUHAMMED is the last prophete of god "SAW" Oh son of israel why you conceal the truth, because part of your community knows that muhammed "SAW" is the prophet of God and the Quran is the word of god
skypys111 1 year ago
lol those words speak nothing of mohammed, muslims always take the biblical scriptures out of context for their own means, but all who read the bible and not just a few verses will see that these verses speak nothing of mohammed or the quran
biggdogg305 1 year ago
Who is a Jew?
(a Jewish American think loudly)
Every Jew should question his own beliefs by asking questions like; what exactly are Jew and Judaism anyway?
Is Judaism a culture, a nation, religion, having a Jewish mother or observing the Ten Commandments?
If Judaism was just a culture then would not a person cease to be a Jew if he stops speaking the Hebrew language and practicing the Jewish customs?
If it was a nation then how could Jews be citizens of two nations?
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
If Judaism was a religion than why should the prayers be recited in Hebrew, prayers for Eretz Israel, and observance of "Oriental" rituals?
If Judaism is having a Jewish mother as it is traditionally believed, can a person still be a Jew if he practices Christianity or atheism.
If Judaism is observing the Ten Commandments of the Torah, then why Abraham is called the first Jew when he lived before the Torah came down to Moses?
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
@shihabshihabi Abraham is regarded by Jews as the first Jew for he circumcised his son, Isaac on the eighth day after his birth, as God commanded him to do. All Jewish men are commanded by God to circumcise their sons on the eighth day after their birth. To this day all Jewish males are circumcised on the eighth day after being born.
evo55 1 year ago
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@evo55
[3:67] Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah's (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah.
[3:68] Without doubt, among men, the nearest of kin to Abraham, are those who follow him, as are also this Prophet and those who believe: And Allah is the Protector of those who have faith.
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
@evo55
He is regarded as Jewish according to the LITERAL meaning of the word Jew (Yehudi) -- the word means refers to one who acknowledges, glorifies, publicizes, proclaims the TRANSCENDENT-ONE, the Almighty Creator. I've already explained this in several videos.
No educated Jew claims that Abraham was a Jew in the sense of belonging to the tribe of Judah. Abraham wasn't even an Israelite, nor do Jews think he was obligated in the Torah given to Israel. He voluntarily kept some of the laws.
omedyashar 1 year ago
@omedyashar
Abraham was a hebrew does this make him jewish or a pagan
hannahr77 1 year ago
@shihabshihabi
I don't know what the contradiction is, but but the irony is that these questions are also applicable to Islam.
If Islam is a religion, why should prayers be said in Arabic, references to Mekka, and observance of "Oriental" rituals?
If everyone is a Muslim at birth, can he still be a Muslim if he practices another religion?
If Abraham was a Muslim, how could he have said the shahada "la illaha ila Allah, and Muhammad is Allah's messenger" when he lived before Muhammad?
omedyashar 1 year ago
@shihabshihabi
According to halakha (practical Torah-law), an Israelite (or "Jew") who knowingly and intentionally abandons observance of G-d's commandments in the Torah obtains a legal status like a non-Israelite / a non-Jew, only LOWER.
You know no one who is a citizen of more than one nation? I know TONS of such people, including many Muslims. What's the contradiction?
omedyashar 1 year ago
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shihabshihabi 1 year ago
Additionally, you said:
"Jesus did say that he was sent to the lost sheep of Israel but after his resurrection he commanded his disciples to preach the Gospel to all nations."
OK, smart ass, I thought that abrogation is not allowed for God and you have been mocking Muslims for believing that God can abrogates his legal ruling?
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
No wonder it has been said that if 10 Christians meet, they will differ and end up having 11 opinions.
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
@evo55
First, this is what the prophets spoke clearly:
Deuteronomy 24:16 - "Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin."
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
Ezekiel 18:20 - "The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself."
Second, in your belie, is Jesus a servant (worshipper/salve) of the Lord or his equal son?
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
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@evo55
As I said before, modern Western SECULAR civilization (which you personally do not represent) is more adavanced than past Muslim civilization on all MATERIAL levels (technology, industry, agrecultural, etc).
However, Western secular civilization is extremely backward on the religious level because of beleiving in Pauline Christianity and barberic on the political level as exihibited by WWI, WWII, Atomic bombing of Japan, supporting Israil and invading Iraq and Afghanistan..
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
@shihabshihabi God proved Jesus died and rose from the dead by silencing Ahmed Deedat for his blasphemy against the Christian faith. He was punished so that he could no longer speak or swallow. He did this in answer to Christian prayer. Christians have spiritual power from the Holy Spirit to fight the enemies of God.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55
You really keep on proving to me that you are a typical retarded Pauline Christian! What a shame! Are you a truth seeker and willing to accept truth no matter where it come from or not?
Were you personally there with God when He answered the Christian prayers to silence Ahmed Deedat?
So tell me why did God send Deedat's Christian opponent debater, Anis Shorrosh to Jail for Arson? Was God answering Muslim prayers too?
Go to YouTube and search for:
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
Anis Shorrosh rots IN JAIL
Christian scholars crazy Anis Shorrosh in jail for arson
Evangelist Anis Shorrosh Arrested
Anis Shorrosh Arrested
And why did God publicized the hypocrisy of his Christian opponent debater Jimmy Swaggart? Was God also answering Muslim prayers?
For Jimmy Swaggart look under:
I have sinned
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
Now tell me, if Deedat easily crushed all Christian preachers of his time and as a very old man was not able to speak at the very end of his life while his defeated Christian opponents were either sent to Jail for crimes or publicized for scandals which side God is you think with?
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
@shihabshihabi Go study the Bible. Adam and Eve were created on earth in the Garden of Eden. They were created by God as normal sized human beings and not as giants as Muhammed wrongly believed. They were not forgiven of their sin but cast out of the Garden of Eden as a punishment.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55
I did study the bible just to refute your stupidity. Show me the Garden of Eden on the Earth map. Man, I want to go there.
You don't know what size Adam and Eve were. You have no evidence. Bible does not say what size they were and even if it says other than what Prophet Mohammed said, his word should supersede as it has been proved that he is the truthful and the current bible lies.
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
Adam and Eve were definitely forgiven of their very minor slip and Adam was later made a prophet. Why not? His slip is much more minor than your crime of saying that God has a literal son and if you repent before you die God will forgive you so why not Adam and Eve?
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
As per God previous plan, Adam and Eve were made to slip to teach them a lesson on Satan temptation and on repentance to God in preparation for their earthy mission and were removed from the Garden of Eden temporarily to put humans to test.
Adam and Eve, along with all Muslims (submitters to God alone), will soon return to the Garden of Eden while polytheistic people like you will be deprived from it and sent to Hell Fire instead.
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
@shihabshihabi There is no evidence that the Jews ever worshipped Ezra as a son of God. All Israelites are called sons of God in the Psalms(Zabur). The ignorant Muhammed did not understand the spiritual understanding of son of God. In his ignorance, Muhammed condemns any use of the term son of God. He is cursed by God for his stupidity.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55
And I know that :
the holy spirit means a good servent such as angle Gabrail or prophet
Mohammed
the holy spirit could also mean a soul like Jesus' soul which was blown in Mary by Gaibrial and that
the kingdom of God id his RULE and it cannot be something material and that
Jesus (according to your Gospels) was a mocked, slaped & spit on the face king with a thorne crown (peace be upon him).
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
@shihabshihabi Muslims misunderstand the concept of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God. The Holy Spirit is the power of God that inspires men to speak, do good works and peform miracles for God. The Holy Spiirt is not an angel or a creation of God. The Holy Spirit is One God with the Father and the Son.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55
Go to kindergarten so they teach you along with other little kids that one never equals three.
You are really a lost sheep, rather donkey.
[62:5] The similitude of those who were charged with the (obligations of the) Mosaic Law, but who subsequently failed in those (obligations), is that of a donkey which carries huge tomes (but understands them not). Evil is the similitude of people who falsify the Signs of Allah: and Allah guides not people who do wrong.
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
@evo55
Thanks God for making me intelligent rather than donkey!
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
@evo55
The Holy Spirit (A) is God (B)
The Holy Spirit (A) is the power of God (B-?)
The Holy Spirit (A) and the Father (B) and the Son (C) is One God
A=B
A=B-?
A+B+C=1
Mathematically, it makes perfect donkey sense!
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
@evo55
All what you said do not prove that Jesus was a god as the son of God throughout the Old testement is not literal.
Messiah, annointed one, prophet and son of God all means that he is a human good servent of God. Servent means nothing than a worshiper. When you worship a god you are automatically his slave. There exists only God and his slaves.
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
Have not the above quotes convince you to at least respect the greatest human being ever walked on Earth and to study his biography unbiasly as these great intellectual gentlemen did?
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
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Diwan Chand Sharma, an Indian Author wrote in "The Prophets of the East":
"Muhammad was the soul of kindness, and his influence was felt and never forgotten by those around him"
[D.C. Sharma, The Prophets of the East, Calcutta, 1935, pp. 12]
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
[K. S. Ramakrishna Rao, Muhammad the Prophet of Islam]
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What a dramatic succession of picturesque scenes. There is Muhammad the Prophet. There is Muhammad the Warrior; Muhammad the Businessman; Muhammad the Statesman; Muhammad the Orator; Muhammad the Reformer; Muhammad the Refuge of Orphans; Muhammad the Protector of Slaves; Muhammad the Emancipator of Women; Muhammad the Judge; Muhammad the Saint. All in all these magnificent roles, in all these departments of human activities, he is alike a hero."
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
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K. S. Ramakrishna Rao, an Hindu professor of Philosophy, wrote in "Muhammad the Prophet of Islam":
"Muhammad is the perfect model for human life. The personality of Muhammad, it is most difficult to get into the whole truth of it. Only a glimpse of it I can catch.
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These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the 2nd volume (of the Prophet's biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of the great life."
[Mahatma Gandhi, Young India]
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"I wanted to know the best of one who holds today undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind... I became more than convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission.
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
Mahatma Gandhi wrote in "Young India":
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Thomas Carlyle, an English author wrote in "Heroes and Hero Worship":
"How one man single handedly, could weld warring tribes and wandering Bedouins into a most powerful and civilized nation in less than two decades."
[Thomas Carlyle, Heroes and Hero Worship]
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EWolfgang Goethe, the greatest European poet ever, wrote:
"He is a prophet and not a poet and therefore his Koran is to be seen as Divine Law and not as a book of a human being, made for education or entertainment."
[EWolfgang Goethe, Noten und Abhandlungen zum Weststlichen Dvan, WA I, 7, 32]
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George Bernard Shaw, an Irish playwright Nobel Prize and Oscar winner wrote in "The Genuine Islam" in 1936:
"He must be called the Savior of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it much needed peace and happiness."
[George Bernard Shaw, The Genuine Islam, Singapore, Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936]
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He cared not for dressing of power. The simplicity of his private life was in keeping with his public life."
[Reverend R. Bosworth-Smith, Mohammed & Mohammedanism, 1946]
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"Head of the state as well as the Church, he was Caesar and Pope in one; but, he was pope without the pope's claims, and Caesar without the legions of Caesar, without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a palace, without a fixed revenue. If ever any man had the right to say that he ruled by a Right Divine, it was Mohammad, for he had all the power without instruments and without its support.
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Reverend Benjamin Bosworth-Smith, an American Protestant Episcopal bishop wrote in "Mohammed & Mohammedanism" in 1867:
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Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad.
As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?"
[Alphonse de Lamartine, HISTOIRE DE LA TURQUIE, Paris, 1854, Vol. II, pp. 276-277.]
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The Encyclopedia Britannica confirms:
(Regarding Muhammad) "... a mass of detail in the early sources shows that he was an honest and upright man who had gained the respect and loyalty of others who were likewise honest and upright men."
[Vol. 12]
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Rank: 1
Name: Muhammad (570–632)
Influence: The central human figure of Islam, regarded by Muslims as the messenger and last prophet of God. Active as a social reformer, diplomat, merchant, philosopher, orator, legislator, and military leader.
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@evo55
Also, many Christian historians and authors confirmed that the Christian scriptures ha been restricted to monks and preists and common christians just listen to preists in churches until the 1600s when the rule of the satanic church/spirit was over and bible was translated into local languges, printed and got circilated among the public.
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
@shihabshihabi Muslims reject the true words of Jesus found the the Gospel. Instead, they believe the words of a man who never met Jesus but lived centuries after Jesus died and was resurrected from the dead. They will be ashamed on the Day of Judgement when they realize their foolishness for having believed the lies of Muhammed.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55
Muslims do beleive in all the true words of God including the Gospel.
Didn't Jesus say in the Gospel worshipping God ALONE is the most important commandment?
Didn't he say in the Gospel worship God ALONE my father and your father? Confirming the Old Testement doctrine that all humans are God's slaves.
On the Day of Judgement , Pauline Christians will be burned in Hell Fire eternally by their crosses and statues.
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
@shihabshihabi Muhammed implimented his own kingdom built on the lies of the Quran. The true kingdom of God is not of this world. It must be entered by being born again of the Spirit as sons of God made in the image of Christ, the eternal son of God.
evo55 1 year ago
@shihabshihabi Muhammed was at first on friendly terms with Christians and Jews, but later turned against them when they would not accept him as a prophet from God. He accused them of misreading their scriptures when they tried to show him his error.
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@evo55
No sexual act means no literal son so only cloning remains therefore the relationship must be God to a created slave just like any other human being.
If you say "but Jesus has no father" , we say Adam has neither father nor mother and not evan cloned but created from dust and Eve has neither father nor mother but was cloned from Adam.
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
@shihabshihabi Muhammed had many chances to discuss the scriptures with Christians and Jews of Arabia. It's how he leaned the stories from the Talmud and Bible which he later altered in his Quran.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55
Your early fathers did their best to make so many changes for you to choose from.
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
@shihabshihabi You're mistaken, the early Church Fathers didn't make any changes to the Bible. St Jerome translated the Hebrew Bible into Latin with the help of Jewish scholars - the Latin Vulgate Bible was the result. It's the same Bible used by Christians in the time of Muhhammed and which Muhammed said we must hold fast to, obey and judge by.
evo55 1 year ago
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@evo55
Come on evo55!
You just said above that Christianity is an ever evolving religion and the Holy Spirit is always whispering in the ears of early Church Fathers and scribes so every time the Holy Spirit wispers an evolution the fathers and thier scribes change the bible accordingly.
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
@evo55
Quran said you must hold fast to, obey and judge by the true part of the bile as it repeatedly stated that it contains false portion.
Quran tells you to expell perversity from your heart and be among the truth seekers who are firmly grounded in knowledge and who follow the basic, fundamental, established meaning verses which are the foundation of the Book.
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
@shihabshihabi The Quran does not say the Bible has a false portion. The Quran(5:48) was sent to confirm the previous scriptures but not to correct them.
evo55 1 year ago
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@evo55
Quran warns you not to be among those in whose hearts is perversity who follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah.
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
islam is fake and a joke, muslims are troubled, they are still tryin to prove to Christians that, the quran, allah and mohammed are true becus the bible talks about them?, We Christians CAST OUT ur false quran, ur false god allah n rapist prophet OUT of our BIBLE IN JESUS NAME, we will NEVER teach this GARBAGE IN OUR CHURCHES, YUCK!!!! keep on with ur obsession with the bible, it only proves how false islam is,ur so called prophet was a THUG and RAPIST and thats the SHAME u follow anyway
1Waddup 1 year ago
@Yitzhak010 I'm glad to see that you are a seeker of truth. More Muslims should dare to question Islam. Fear and ignorance keeps Muslims trapped in Islam and away from knowledge of the true God of Abraham.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55
Regarding the stories in Quraan vs Bible, you are basing your argument on the assumption that Quraan should match Bible and this is extremely wrong.
Bible scholers have proven that all bible chapters are human complied and that they lack the names of the acual authors and authentic continuous chain of reporters and that they contain thousands of errors due to accidental and intentinal scribes alerations and due succesive translations into several languages.
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
@shihabshihabi The Quran should match the Bible. The Quran(5:46-48) was sent to confirm the previous scriptures, but not to correct them. Muhammed did not believe the Bible to be corrupted. He tells Christians and Jews to study, obey and hold fast to their scriptures (Quran3:93, 5:66,68).
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55
Why Quran should match the Bible if your ancesstors maniplated the Bible and both Jesus and your current unbiased schollers admit it?
Bothe Jesus and Quraan tells Christians and Jews to study, obey and hold fast to the true parts of their scriptures and damn them repeatedly for manipilating the other parts.
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
@shihabshihabi The Dead Sea Scrolls prove the Bible has not been manipulated. The Dead Sea Scrolls prove Islam is a corrupt and lying religion invented by an ignorant and false prophet.
evo55 1 year ago
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@evo55
Check on Youtube:
Misquoting Jesus: Scribes Who Altered Scripture and Readers Who May Never Know," a textual criticism of Biblical manuscript tampering by Bart Ehrman, Professor or Religious Studies of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
Also check the lectures of Gary Miller/Ahmed Deedat and Dr, Jerald Dirks on Youtube.
All the above three gentlemen are BIBLE scholers not idiot liers like you.
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
@evo55
[3:187] And remember Allah took a covenant from the People of the Book, to make it known and clear to mankind, and not to hide it; but they threw it away behind their backs, and purchased with it some miserable gain! And vile was the bargain they made!
[5:13] But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them,
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
@evo55
Quran tells Christians and Jews to study, obey and hold fast to the CLEAR, COMMON SENCE, AND CONSISTANT part of their scriptures not to follow ambiguous, irrational and confusing parts.
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
@shihabshihabi In the Book of Proverbs, the Bible tells us "it is the glory of God to hide a matter and the glory of kings is to seek it out." Jesus told his disciples that they have been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God. Christians have been granted to know the mind of Christ by having the Holy Spirit as their guide, Christians have been granted to be a nation of kings and priests.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55
hide , mysteries
So God sent thousands of prophets and messangers and reveiled many books to create a secrative mysterious society similar to the free mason Satanic society?
If this the case why did not he keep the secrates and mysteries to himself?
This how your priests and monks cheated you so that you believe in the most unlogical concept on earth the trinity (3=1) and other stipid christian concepts.
Whenever you question them the immediate answer is that is a mystery.
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
@evo55
Do you know that christian public from day 1 of christianity was baned from accessing christian bible nor translate it from Greek/Latin to the local languages (such as English, French, German, etc) until around 1600 after the public repelled against the Pope? The public were allowed to hear what preists translated on the spot and wanted them to hear.
Just Imagine how many changes were made to the secrative scriptures by monks and preists as the public do not know what was going on.
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@evo55
And compare your claim to the following verses:
Deuteronomy 33: 1-3
He said, "The LORD came from Sinai,
And DAWNED on them from Seir;
He SHONE forth from Mount Paran, And He came from the midst of ten thousand holy ones; At His right hand there was flashing lightning for them.
(American Standard Version)
DAWNED and SHONE dummy not hide or mystify.
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
@evo55
And do you know who inhabited Mount Paran? Read your bile and it will tell you that Ismail, his mother and his decendants lived there.
And the above prophcy talks about the three great prophets' messages; Moses, Jesus and Mohammed.
Torah was revieled in Sinai, Gospel in Seir in Palastine and Quran in Mount Paran in Arabia.
Note how God's light SHONED thru Muhammed and how God continued to describe him and his 10 thousand righteous companions when he conqurred Makkah.
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
@evo55
Christians have been granted to be the most stupid/astray people on earth by adopting the heathens trinity concept and beliving that a son can bear his father's sin against clrear old testement statements.
And by not understandin what the Holy Spirit is while the bible clearly state that it is an angle slave to God.
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
@evo55
Their claimed imaginary Holy Spirit guided them to write too mamy contradicting books which are translations of translations of translations and copies of copies of copies and versions of versions of versions.
Their claimed imaginary Holy Spirit also guided them to create churches of churches of churches and sects and sects of sects and each sect curses the other sect
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
@evo55
Their claimed imaginary Holy Spirit also guided them to be the most criminal people in the world in theft, rape, kiling (WW I & II) and the only people used the atomic bombs on human (Japan),
Christians have been granted to be a nation of:
- kings with thorne crowns and
- child abusing priests.
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
@evo55
The only thing christians have is modern technological advancement and you know why? Because they repelled thair stupid religion and retarded clergy men and became secular otherwise they would still be in their 1600 years old filth.
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
@evo55
So there is absolutely no mystery no hidden knowelage stupid ass. It is simple. It is a straight path.
I here sumerize it for you in a step-by-step do it yourself:
1- God is one with neither partners no sons
2- God created his creation including mankind
3- God wanted humans to worship him as he is their lord and gave them the choice to test them
4- God sent prophets/messangers and revieled books to be followed
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
@evo55
5- Worship him alone as you are directed in both the old and new testemnts.
6- If you do you go to Paradise and if you do'nt Hell Fire is waiting just for you.
- Period
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shihabshihabi 1 year ago
@evo55
[3:7] He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah.
shihabshihabi 1 year ago
@shihabshihabi The Bible also has hidden meanings. The hidden meanings of the Bible are revealed by the Holy Spirit to those who love God and seek his mysteries in the Bible and in nature, God's other scripture.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55
See my detailed responses above if you have a grain of brain.
You seem to be among those in whose hearts is perversity who follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah.
Expell perversity from your heart and be among the truth seekers who follow the basic, fundamental, established meaning verses which are the foundation of the Book.
Why you want to be in the gray areas?
shihabshihabi 1 year ago