Keith Olberman, Dan Savage -- Christian Theofascists and traitors

[83redrose83]

Jesus Christ is fake! God is fake! ALL religion is FAKE and evil! I've also read most of the bible and it's just obsurd! People who believe in that crazy stuff are crazy themselves. And, religion that brings up so much hate, christianity, is not for me and should be abolished!!! It's brainwashing nonsense!

[Chuichupachichi]

Olberman & Savage are merely unintelligent haters. Savage said that "the religious right realized that it could just run its own candidates & elect its own people". These two Cretins have the gall to present themselves as the constitutionally correct, American stewards of justice. As if they themselves run the conservative's candidates & elect Christians

Savage asserts that Rep. Bachmann is a religious extremist, a nut & bat crap crazy. Despite the fact that such defects are what cause his

[Chuichupachichi]

failure to present any explanation of the basis for his assertions. Bat crap crazy is derived from his delusion of that his claims are valid, simply because he asserts them. Savage is unworthy of even challenging Michele Bachmann, considering that she possesses the knowledge of how to present a legitimately valid argument

Olberman takes the dysfunctional cognition to still greater degrees with his typical, childish claim of that she "wrestles snakes"

Savage said "she sees every political

[Chuichupachichi]

dispute as this battle between good & evil". Presumably, he & Olberman conduct this opposition to Rep Bachmann because they see her position as equally angelic as their own

Savage mentioned her charges of "Anti-American attitudes of Congress". Its refreshing to discover that when Savage perceives government to have anti-gay attitudes, he considers them to be exceedingly American

Then, although everybody understands that politics is comprised of battles, Savage presents Bachmann's battle

[Chuichupachichi]

related metaphorical words as literal & yet, he calls her nuts. His inability to discern between her obvious metaphors & literalness, is suggestive of imbecility

Its interesting how when persons fallaciously perceive themselves as the objects of hatred, they believe themselves to be pleasantly amiable when suggesting others should slit their throats. Search far & wide but you will find no record of Rep Bachmann having ever spoken words that are anywhere near to those maliciously sadistic words

[Chuichupachichi]

Olberman said, "if they can't personally heal disease, should they not be willing to help doctors". Ever since the founding times of America, by far, most of the nations hospitals were founded by Christians. In addition, Atheists don't have a legacy of conducting humanitarian missions to the world's most impoverished populations

Savage said that Christians deny healthcare to families & children. Throughout America's history, there existed untold numbers of occasions in which Christian

[Chuichupachichi]

hospitals healed impoverished unbelievers without compensation

To this day there exist areas of the globe where Christian missionaries served in the past, that when America is mentioned, people reply by saying, "oh, the Christian country"

"insane opposition to a democratically elected President". Due to Bush having fallaciously presented himself as a Christian, Atheists despised him mostly for his wars. Obama has continued those wars & added to their number

[Chuichupachichi]

Olberman got heat for speaking of Reagan & those who booed Sen Kennedy were undoubtedly persons that would definitely be prosecuted if they cost a woman her life, due to drunken driving

Olberman & Savage are perfect examples of why John Adams said, "our Constitution was made for a religious & moral people, it is wholly inadequate to the government of any other"

[bunnyman09]

@Chuichupachichi Why don't you shut the fuck up and stop copying-and-pasting bullshit.? Fucking loser.

[razzlefrog]

I didn't know Dan Savage was an atheist...hm.

[MyTotalRemedy]

He's always playing Godwin. What a hypocrite.

[bunnyman09]

Organized religion is one of the greatest plagues mankind has ever inflicted upon itself.

[DrNHand1994]

Do we really have separation of church and state while politicians are using religious arguments for and against certain policies?

[DivineFellowship]

One needs to throw up looking at that scum.

[420simpson]

the rest of the world is laughing at our dumb religious people. evolution has vast amounts of evidence, but then religious people deny it and tell me i need to believe in a talking snake, the graves os isreal opening with zombies, adam and eves incest population story, a 900 year old man getting every animal on a boat. that there is a satan guy, and virgin births, winged angel people, demons, talking bushes. religion is mythology....

[DivineFellowship]

@420simpson -- Your ideas about religion are childish, asinine.

[1982mockingbird1982]

There excuse is supporting healthcare = supporting abortion which is incorrect bcoz it doesnt cover any abortion except in cases of rape and incest(do they have a problem with that)v and theres even an amendement making it virtually impossible to add abortion later.

[xephyr1000]

The Religious REICH, not Right

[StoogeWatcher]

@xephyr1000 Democrats are the Fourth Reich: Anti-Jewish, anti-Christian, pro-abortion, pro-Sharia, pro-quota system, pro-rape hoax.

[179rich]

Glad to learn that Dan is an atheist. He's said a few things that had me concerned for him, but I knew he wasn't that stupid.

[eric5335]

2:40 That is were atheists don't understand Christianity. And it is them, who distort Chistianity. Redistributing the wealth, through state (force) is NOT a Christian value. "Thou shall not steal". Helping the poor and the sick is supposed to be personal commitment, and therefore will show which persons live like REAL Christians. The best help you can do to the poor is starting with poor family members or friends. The welfare state has robbed people from belief here in Europe!

[n10dkf]

Jesus Christ never forced anyone to be charitable. He incuraged everyone to give from the goodness of their heart. Because they want to help their fellow man, they are choosing to do Gods will. Government forcing charity through taxation is not what Jesus Christ had in mind.

[hipstermi]

@n10dkf

"Jesus Christ never forced anyone to be charitable"

True...fictional characters never forced anyone to be charitable.

[Yelena335]

B.Obamas Health Care Reform.... Do you trust this gov's law?? Goto my profile to Discover exactly why your points of view counts !

[djepic112]

wow, he's cute!

[AvatarOfAvatar]

To me, there is no difference between a Christian or a Muslim. None. Both of them force themselves to believe in something that doesnt exist, then worse, assume authority from that belief.

Earth will not be safe until it is free from religious fairy tales.

[xadam2dudex]

these right wing christians are not really christian they are just mean spirited self centered people that has no idea of what christian morals are.. they are the Reagan cultist who believe in "I got mine u get yours" they are the party of me

[ttcontain]

This is the problem of letting religion run free, it is the simplest manner of the un-intelligent, delusional and psychotic person to gain power, that is why religion has been the human's flaw since it was invented.

[ChurchOfKali66619]

@ttcontain Not entirely: It taught us to make fire, use medicinal preparations, mark the passage of time and the divinity of life.

Then came Mesopotamia and the Judo-Christianity and Islam which descended from it---and it's been all down-hill ever since. (I'm a Dark Wiccan, BTW.)

[jerrydoubleu]

The cause of the fall of the GOPPERS--religion. Republicans are a joke.

[PaiLung]

amen to all of this. You know i am reminded of the Handmaids tale where you have different religious factions warring with one another with the evangelical faction being the dominant one. Let's not create a handmaid's tale of a situation in this country Lets just continue to be the MAJORITY now, Voting sensable and decent human beings into our poitical stream and filtering out the shit. Lets just wall off Kansas and put all the evangelicals there, a penal colony. revert em back to the stone age

[xhagast]

I saw that appalling movie. It was good and prophetic.

Right now we have freedom to AND freedom from. Freedom from religious nuts to rule us? we lost that one during Dubya's reign.

Screw the Evangelical heretics, there are twice more Catholics in the US. Or even Episcopalians.

[KC1021fm]

How can they call someone too Christian, but then say that person wants to get another killed? Pretty sure the Ten Commandments are a big part of Christianity.

These folks may not like Christians, but they are reaching here.

[xhagast]

You have it all wrong. According to the revelation received by the founder of the C-Street Family the Chosen Ones can do whatever they wish because God actually made the world for them.

So they believe themselves Christian. And everybody else is an already damned heretic.

That is why they can sacrifice 44,000 Americans each year, so their wallets get fatter with insurance money. While every civilized nation prides itself in free(or almost)healthcare.

[errskin]

free health retards advancement of health care, thats why the vast majority of medical advancements come from the U.S.

[smaugfrost]

"too Christian"... "they are reaching here"

um... exactly what does it mean to be a Christian?

there are 38,000 sects of Christianity.

they all consider themselves "Christians".

they all have radically different ideas.

including the southern preachers praying for Obama to be killed by god.

how exactly should we determine which ARE and ARE NOT Christian, since NONE of them follow the bible?

For me, it it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... I call it a Christian.

[heathdwatts]

If you read the bible, the Jesus character is just as crazy as Bachmann. The Jesus character was clearly a non-medicated schizophrenic, just as Bachmann is.

[xhagast]

Watch it, the sermon of the mountain and when he preached in the temple of Jerusalem were meant to make us love each other and care for each other.

I see no love, no mercy, no care in Bachmann and the RepubliKKKans. Jesus wanted love and mercy and us to help one another.

Bachmann want her delusional followers to kill Obama and all liberals. And then she will blame the dead and say it was God's will. She is a traitor and a madwoman. Like all her ilk.

[heathdwatts]

Yes, if Christians could take home one lesson from their book, loving each other would be a good one. Somehow, they skip to the madness of Revelations and Leviticus, rather than focusing on any positive messages. I can see that it is easy to miss positive messages in the bible, since they are few and buried within hateful, crazy nonsense.

[Nilopollis]

Michele Bachman is a fucking lunatic.

[fanuv24]

Well...actually, now that you mention it, you probably wouldn't want to hear my take on the things you mention... : )

[fanuv24]

Then I guess I are one o' them; I believe in strong individualism and distrust government/planning/etc. The term "anarcho", though, seems to suggest that there's no role for government, and Hayek clearly spells out one, and I believe that government has a role to play--but one far more limited than anything I've known in my lifetime.

[fanuv24]

what of hayek would you deem "anarcho"? just curious...

[fanuv24]

Of course, I fully disagree that fascism is a right wing ideology; as I said earlier (I missed this post of yours, by the way), it springs from socialism. But to your other point, it is one thing to speak what one believes to be the truth; it's another to advocate/foment violence. There are, as we've agreed, nutjobs right and left, unbalanced people whose response is violence. The question is, do these commentators advocate it? No, they clearly advocate non-violence, and say it regularly.

[fanuv24]

Guess I'm an extremist... : )

Actually, classic liberalism, which seems pretty close to libertarianism, doesn't seem to me to look anything at all like today's big-government liberalism; it seems the antithesis of that.

Seriously, Hayek doesn't come off as an anarchist at all when I read his book; in fact, at a couple of points, he sounds a little less libertarian than I'd suppose he would.

[fanuv24]

Have you read Goldberg's book? I think he addresses that. I'm reading Hayek's The Road to Serfdom right now, and the use he makes of the term "liberal"--which I'd guess is the same Hitler makes of it--is about an exact synonym for "conservative" today. By Hayek's definition, I'm a dyed-in-the-wool liberal; "classic liberalism", I think it's called, and I are one, so if Hitler is condemning that, then that's a different thing. And there were, as I recall, competing strains of socialism...

[fanuv24]

No, you are too civil to be a liberal... : )

I have not seen Olbermann's special comments; link?

They all call names, truthfully. I'm not sure I've heard those guys call liberals "commies and fascists", and I'm not being naive there; I just don't remember them coming out and saying, of so-and-so, "he's a commie", or "he's a fascist". What some say--and I agree with, per Jonah Goldberg's book--is that the roots of contemporary liberalism are the same as fascism. That's historically true.

[fanuv24]

Yes, they may well be legitimate criticisms of Bachmann--but here's my point: Savage and Olbermann don't quote Bachmann once; they just call her (and others) names. Glenn went after Jones by quoting Jones' comments again and again; there's nothing in this report but pictures of Bachmann talking, and then Savage and Olbermann dissing her. See what I'm saying?

Ann Coulter has a great mind but often employs needlessly inflammatory rhetoric. It's a shame, because it discredits her.

[blugreenblu]

what about Michelle Malkin? would you say she and ann coulter are on the same level?

[fanuv24]

No, I wouldn't, not from what I know of her. She's tough, the "loyal opposition", but I've not heard her make the kinds of out-of-bounds remarks that Ann Coulter has. That could simply be because I haven't heard them, but those kinds of things seem to make news, and nothing Michelle's said has ever made the news (that I've heard) like a half-dozen things Ann has said. Personally, I like a lot of what Ann says, but she sure says some stupid things from time to time.

[fanuv24]

But Olbermann didn't "deplore" Savage and Garofalo; he lobbed softballs at them and nodded in agreement at their lunacy! I think you're broadbrushing Fox. O'Reilly gives the loons a hard time, calls the birthers idiots, etc. As I said, I think that those words are probably not helpful, and obscure the real issue--which is what I suggested in my previous comment. I really do think that there is reason for older people to be concerned, indeed for all Americans when we look at other countries.

[fanuv24]

Birthers are nutjobs, but all networks give airtime to nutjobs; Olbermann sat on his butt while Jeanine Garofalo called all Teapartiers--and I am one--"racists"; she's a loon if ever there was one. "Death panel" and "creeping euthanasia are two ways--perhaps not the best--to describe the extreme likelihood that under Obamacare, with resources scarce, older people will feel an increasing pressure to "not be a burden". You may disagree, but I sure see the stars lining up on that one.

[fanuv24]

Sorry, but I don't see an ounce of "fomenting violence". Not an ounce. While I don't watch on TV, I listen to him on radio, and I've never once--not once--heard him foment violence. What I do see is a guy with strong viewpoints--and some folks will respond by "hating" liberals, I've no doubt--but as I said, he tries to back up his words with facts. That's what is missing from these clowns Olbermann and Savage.

[fanuv24]

Well, first, I have watched about 45 minutes of Beck in the last month, most of it being a show he did earlier this week on Van Jones. Now, to your comment, I went searching on YouTube and couldn't find the Aug. 3 remark; any link? I'm not sure your take is right, though; seems to me he'd only be saying, "so what? What would you propose to do EVEN IF IT WERE TRUE?" Doesn't seem particularly egregious. As to 30 Rock, I've not seen anything about it; yours is first I've heard, can't comment.

[giosig]

olberbitch=shit

[fanuv24]

I don't think there's much doubt that Williams is a liberal, simply from listening to him speak. But beyond that, quote me chapter and verse instead of repeating the same types of things that Savage and Olbermann are doing, name-calling and making allegations without quotes. Fox seems to consistently try to use the actual quotes of the individuals involved; back up your allegations with quotes and we can talk further. Who's "called liberals Nazis"? Give me the quote, and the others as well.

[fanuv24]

My experience is that Fox has liberal commenters all the time, particularly O'Reilly, but also Beck and Hannity. None of those guys shies away from having liberals on to comment on a regular basis. You mention Beck; the last show I watched, he went down a list of the things Van Jones had said--and provided the video of each, all in Jones' own words--and then simply raised some simple questions (which incidentally, Fox regular Bob Beckel, Democratic strategist, agreed with the next morning).

[fanuv24]

And by the way, I miss Colmes as well; he is a decent liberal guy, whom though I disagree with him, I really respect him. Juan Williams is a regular Fox contributor, and he's as decent a man, and as good a journalist, as anybody out there--though he's personally a liberal.

[fanuv24]

Hi,

I do not take "offense", per se, to Olbermann and Savage; I think they're buffoons. Neither do I find Fox News to be "extreme right wing"; it looks that way because a.) it does clearly lean to the right, and b.) every other major news outlet either leans, or is unashamedly, left by comparison. I do watch Fox, and while it certainly has more right-wingers than left, one thing that I consistently find its commentators doing is attempting to deal with facts, and not merely call names.

[wenders99]

These two clowns never cease to amaze me. Just two guys sitting around showing their hatred and ignorance toward Christians, conservatives, Republicans, just anyone who doesn't agree with them. I can't believe this crap is even on television.

[fanuv24]

Olbermann and Savage here answer the question: how many nutjob lies can two men fit into five minutes? I'm neither a Republican nor a member of the "Religious Right", whatever that is, but for anyone to consider this tripe "good journalism" is beyond silly. Lie after unsubstantiated lie, with that goof Olbermann lobbing softballs at that clown Savage, and Savage throwing logic and decency to the wind: if that's your kind of "journalism", gotta love this piece!

[DaveODrisc]

"Batcrap Crazy!"

Although I did like this description of these(and I use the term very loosely)people,I can not help but feel that something along the lines of - Fucknut (running jumping spinning) Apeshit twatting loony bastard CRAZY-may have been nearer the mark.

[DaveODrisc]

I'm just nit picking I guess(in fact the more I think about it and considering the atheist chap was working within the boundaries set by the TV censors)Batcrap crazy is pretty much bang on the mark!

[NotSoOldHippy]

Christians are such fucking insane loons.

[BrightlyEvolving]

To all American Fundamentalist Christians.

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At no cost to you, all Hospitals within the United States will now provide FREE electric-shock therapy and FREE doses of Thorazine.

Please register with your local government department and indicate that you are requesting the Fundamentalist Cure.

Act now before it's too late.

Free steak knives for the first million cured.

[Pomme843]

@BrightlyEvolving How 'bout free marijuana for the fundies? Maybe that would ease their paranoia?

[Bockatadi]

deny helathcare 4 jesus!

[NookulerFreedom]

The video Keith Olbernazi doesn't want you to see...

watch?v=QXEZSTQwGh8

Keith is a massive liar and a General Electric SHILL...

Wake up people....

[82abhilash]

Taking care of the sick, housing the homeless, feeding the hungry will only spread poverty, because what they consume, you cannot save or invest. Which means you will have less for the future. Which means of course you will have more sick, homeless and hungry people to take care off in the future. It is a vicious circle. Keith thinks the religious right is slitting their wrist? The democrats are slitting, their both their writs and their throat.

[brandon71085]

Because what they consume, you cannot save or invest? If you have actual numbers, something quantifiable to prove this, it would be most helpful.

We're talking about healthcare here so Housing and hunger aside, the only way this statement of yours works is if labor and profit stops when people get affordable healthcare.

[82abhilash]

Say you made $100 a day and saved 40, to use when you are old. Now you are forced to part with that 40 so that somebody else can eat and sleep now. OK, but when you get old, you have no means to take care of yourself. So now you are part of the poverty problem. Otherwise you would have put the money in a growth fund, your savings becomes somebody's investment. And when the investment bears out, there is prosperity. The money you put to work improves the economy, so less people are poor.

[82abhilash]

I was not speaking about health care, I was speaking about taking care of the sick, housing the homeless, feeding the hungry. Affordable healthcare is what we all seek. It makes an economy productive. My point is that what is being proposed is explicitly unaffordable healthcare. It is only when you cannot afford something you need, that the someone else have to pay out of their pocket for it. Tax funded health care is not affordable health-care. The costs are just hidden.

[evolve749]

So let me get this straight. You think we should take care of the sick, house the homeless and feed the hungry by not taking care of the sick, housing the homeless or feeding the hungry? That's some interesting logic. This notion that we should resist giving humanitarian aide to the residents of our own country because it's cost effective or resource effective is a big fat fallacy, not to mention cold as hell. There is no reason to think we can't do those things AND invest in the future.

[82abhilash]

That is not exactly what I said. The best way to help them is to create a climate where they can help themselves. That can only happen when there is prosperity. The fact that there are charities is a sign that the nation has poverty. Also, if you do like to contribute to a charity, by all means do, you decide how to spend our money right? But taxes are not voluntary, do not confuse it with charity. There is no good reason to believe that the government will spend our money well, is there?

[evolve749]

How the hell is a sick or starving child or elderly person supposed to help themself? Obviously, help can come in many forms other than simple hand-outs, but sometimes pure charity is what is required. As for the tax issue, I would gladly pay higher taxes if it ensured that I would receive proper care when I needed it. I don't know how much you pay for healthcare, but I pay hundreds of dollars a month, enough to far outweigh any reasonable tax increase.

[82abhilash]

The elderly save for old age, something they cannot do, if they are taxed heavily and left with an unworkable social security. The sick or starving children are so because they are born to parents without foresight. The decent thing to do is send them to foster homes. If you are willing to pay high taxes, you might was well put the money into a charity that uses them responsibly. Unlike governments, charities compete. Besides they do not force people to part with their money.

[evolve749]

Really? All of those kids over at Children's Hospital were born to parents "without forsight"? And what about the ones that can't afford a place like that? And what about the ones who just happened to be born in to poverty? You think we should tear all of these children away from their parents and stick them in foster homes? Sheesh, I'm glad you're not in charge. You seem to have a very black and white perception of these issues. If you don't mind my asking, how old are you?

[82abhilash]

You are twisting my words. Sickness and starvation among children tend to go hand in hand because those are kind of children born into poverty. It is not an accident, it is the product of a bad decision made by people too poor to take care of themselves. People acting without a sense of foresigt. I think they will be better off living away from parents with such a poor sense of judgement. I never said anything about tearing them away. Just pointing to a decent alternative that starvation.

[evolve749]

"The sick or starving children are so because they are born to parents without foresight. The decent thing to do is send them to foster homes."

Those are your words, are they not? I don't think I'm twisting them at all. If you're going to make sadistic, inhumane comments like that, at least have the integrity to own them. Let's be clear the "alternative" your advocating is the seperation of a child from its parents because of sickness or starvation. As a father, I find that revolting.

[82abhilash]

Yes, those are my words and I am willing to stick by them. I think if a parent does not have the capacity to nourish their children, handing them over to someone that can, is a decent and responsible thing to do.

[82abhilash]

The twist was when you suggested that I want to ' tear all of these children away from their parents and stick them in foster homes?' Which I did not. All I said was that it was a decent option to consider for people who are too poor to take care of their children.

[82abhilash]

You would pay higher taxes to get good health care? Why not pay that amount directly to a doctor that you picked? If the doctor does not do a good job, you can give the same to another. With governments , there is no competition, no choice.

[evolve749]

Yes! I would absolutely be willing to pay higher taxes for good health care. To me, that piece of mind would be well worth a slight tax increase. As it stand now, the majority of what we pay goes directly to insurance companies anyways, not doctors. And what about emergency care? It's kind of hard to pick and choose your doctor when you have a ruptured Appendix. No one should have to go broke because of something like that, not in the richest country in the world.

[82abhilash]

The emergency room situation you talked about, it will rarely happen if you can make regular visits to a good doctor and choose to live a healthy life style. I prefer not to tell my age, but it is easy to guess. I have two questions. Do you understand how insurance works? What makes you think that higher taxes will lead to better health care? It is the government we are talking about. Take lessons from  the social security system. So much for peace of mind.

[evolve749]

Yes, I do know how insurance works. Do you? Let's be perfectly clear about what we're talking about here. I'm talking about a universal healthcare system, or at the very least a public option similar to the one in the new healthcare bill. I'm in no way suggesting that simply raising taxes would lead to "better" healthcare. What I am suggesting is that under a system like that, it would lead to afforadable healthcare that would be available to everyone. Quality is already hit or miss.

[82abhilash]

Ok, if you know how insurance works then tell me. It is not that I don't. I want to know what your understanding of it is. And I ask you also, where does that confidence come from to say that universal coverage by the government is a good option? Does the government have a track record in providing sound universal coverage on anything? Whatever happened to social security? It is not even hit and miss, it is all miss.

[blugreenblu]

we do it in canada and we get by just fine. i save, invest and pay my taxes, without any problem. i'm happy to know my tax dollars are helping the less fortunate because i know someday i might lose it all, including my health and i know my countrymen will look out for me. it's a great feeling.

[82abhilash]

Canadian health care system does not exist, it co-exists with an American one. An American one in which these health care products are priced. Prices that the Canadian bureaucrats can use to more or less properly allocate resources in their country. But if Americans stop pricing healthcare, where would the Canadian system be?

[whispers83]

people giving you a thumbs down without commenting need to visit the canadian-michigan border

[xXGodlessXx]

Religious extremism is NOT exculsive to the muslim world.

We need to open our eyes before its too late.

[geffel]

Absolutely spot on. Dan Savage speaks nothing but fact.

[harrybalza69]

Do you guys listen to yourselves? I think not.

[kurtilein3]

great video, thanks!

[worldlystone]

Glen beck is a satan.