Those of us who are fighting a much larger battle for our rights and freedoms would appreciate it if you wouldn't nitpick local bylaws and regulations that involve the safety of the population based on the amount of precipitation that was received. You obviously know these EMS and I don't know your history with them, so I can't make an informed decision. I do know that you know you have a volunteer FD and 2 were enjoying their day like you, but you felt the need to use GOV funds 2 use them.
the police and volunteer firemen were pretty darn nice considering the "fight" you were putting up with your fire. You could have simply put it out and done your burning according to the city codes (50 ft away from a structure) - they were just doing their job and not trying to ruin your weenie roast. You may be careful and control you fire but others may not, and that's why they have those type of rules.
does anyone know the toxicity of that foam stuff? I have lost a pile of respect for Babiarz. I resent picking on Kenyon a bit but I thought it was tasteful.
again, that's what civic society is for. Grow up and get used to it.
Want to complain? Want to harass some people? Go to the town or the county and lobby to get the fire-pit laws changed. Quit harassing ordinary, upstanding citizens.
You really are just a terrible human being through and through. And you've got a lot of growing up to do. It seems to me a lot of you libertarians are like that. You've got no grand philosophy, you're just a bunch of weird, sick little anti-social a-holes.
and can harm everyone. Surely one could make a minarchist argument for fire codes and departments. Oh, you're not a minarchist, you're an anarchist. Well, NOT EVRYONE IN THE WORLD SEES EVERYTHING EXACTLY THE WAY YOU DO. GET USED TO IT. That's why we have a democratic society with constitutional limits. We can't all get our way with every aspect of governance, so we do what we can with reforming government, but we also respect laws. You anarchists can't agree on every little thing either. But,
Did John know when he took that job that he'd have to enforce stupid rules like that? Yes. Whether or not he agrees with them doesn't change the fact that he has to enforce them. But taking that job also came with the responsibility of RISKING HIS LIFE TO SAVE PEOPLE FROM FIRE. And he's doing that for free. Does that not matter in all this? Doesn't that more than make up for whatever stupid rules he has to enforce?
And are fire-related laws really that terrible and oppressive? Fires spread
That isn't there decision to make. They're there to ENFORCE the laws. That's it. Whether or not it's a stupid law, or whether they think it's a stupid law, is no matter to the fact that it's their job to enforce the law. I think it's a stupid law, but I would still enforce it or put out the fire if it were my job. You know who you should be angry at? Whoever the hell called it in.
@BroccoliTowel the law is a piece of paper and nothing more. police should let people peacefully go about their business (and not extinguish campfires). if their is a conflict between persons, police should help mediate the dispute.
Your behavior here is completely inappropriate. You act like John and that cop are personally deciding to enforce this law against you just out of the blue.
Did John or that cop call in the complaint? No. Someone did, so it's there JOB to respond. They HAVE to. When they took those jobs they agreed to do everything the laws and the state required of them. AGREED. Don't you weirdo anarchists love voluntary agreements? Should people who agree to do something suddenly not do it?
Well made arguments, MsBertDog and dmmm32! Calling me names has completely convinced me that you are correct and I am wrong. Your hostility and lack of reasoning has shown me the light. Thanks for taking the time to converse with me and help straighten me out!
Excellent; ;now if we have helped convince you to return to where you came from; even better! There's a reason you are attempting your idiocy here; it didn't work wherever you tried it before. At any rate, you are well outnumbered here; keep that in mind. AND we side with the law here in Grafton :)
Oh my God! It is apparent that you have no education. Better look up and understand the definition of tyranny, you idiot. We applaud and support laws that protect us from idiots like you, so it is not "oppressive" government. One bucket of water could have ended your ordeal, so no sympathy for jerks like you. OH, BTW, you better have a license/permit to peddle your food (using that term loosely), or more "opressive government will be notified!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
OMG, DUH, do YOU people get it? You didn't have a PERMIT! PLUS, idiots like you are likely to start a fire that would then burn down other's property. Uh, this is why there are permits for idiots like you. If you want to "fight authority," clearly you have come to the WRONG town. We support and back both fire and police here, so go back to where you came from. So far, you are outnumbered; IDIOTS 0, Town 1200. We simply will not tolerate your behavior here.
Yes, pieces of paper put into place due to idiots like you who don't respect the neigborhood, the residents, or the law. You think you are above the law. NOW you idiots are going to pay for the needless waste of our important community resources to deal with your ignorance. There is just no tallking you you. You JUST don't get it. DUH!!
@MsBertDog no i wont pay because i do not live there.
As far as i could see, those people were respecting the neighborhood and residents because i didn't see any neighbors there complaining. I only saw cops disrespecting the people burning the fire.
It certainly looked more than safe to me. Low flame , Rock and dirt all around. We don't know what the wind speed was , or the humidity level or the temp. it's seems as your typical case of authority trying to say Hey I'M the Law.
You guys are a bunch of assholes!!! Merle you need to take this video as evidence and do warrants on this piece of work. Check the RSA's it is illegal to tape your audio in the state of NH unless they have your permission, which I know they didnt. This is a fact!!! I am sure you know this and because you feared for your safety and you did not have back up with you at that time, you are working on this charges. Then throw in the burning fine as frosting.
As a fellow neighbor, it is apparent that you people are COMPLETE IDIOTS!! Go back to where you came from. Perhaps you should read the 6/7/10Valley News (bet idiots like you can't read), and read a letter to the editor about another neighbor who finds you all to be idiots. We DEFEND both our POLICE and our FIRE personnel here in Grafton, so get used to it. ALSO, had you pulled a permit in the first place, NONE of this would have happened. IDIOTS, IDIOTS, IDIOTS!
Whatever happened to personal accountability? We don't need officer to help us take our own safety into concern. You are ultimately responsible for your own safety. The guests on your property are responsible for their own safety and so on. If I was somewhere and I felt my safety was a concern I would promptly take action. If you do damage to your property or someone elses. you are responsible if it was your fault. and should be held accountable according to the law....
This is ridiculous. We have fires about 3 feet away from stockpiles of firewood that has been drying for several years, and we were never once endangered. Thanks for not complying with such a silly order.
Note that in a free society, both parties here would go to mutually agreeable arbitration, where it could be decided whether the force was justified or not.
I doubt they'd rule that a tiny fire in a pit like that was an imminent threat.
Instead, since we've got a one size fits all government, they get to make up whatever baloney they want, and there's little or no recourse.
@COLDGLOW well, would you enter into a business relationship with an aggressor? trust him to be your friend? to provide a service to you? would you give a prize to a polluter? would you vote for one? These are the questions people may want to ask themselves in relation to John Babiarz.
Jeez, even cops & fire department fuck with The Barskey!
I can't wait to see you tie up their stupid system in court if they are dumb enough to actually drag you in there. Soon it will all come a crashing down just from the sheer weight of their mess, and they won't even see it coming.
I'd say if you are being eminently threatened, you have a right to defend yourself or your property. This had nothing to do with defense -- the idea that that tiny fire in a well defined pit was an eminent threat is absurd. It was code enforcement.
I think it'd be reasonable to put out a fire that's a truly clear and eminent threat to yourself or your property. One should err strongly on the side of caution with the use of force, however, -- and this was nowhere close to meeting those criteria.
It's also the case that a person should be responsible for any damages they cause. This, rather than threats of fines, should be the main deterrent for irresponsible behavior.
Agreed. The tort law for damages has always been crystal clear. But the line at which a threat becomes imminent remains fuzzy. By international law, an imminent threat is instant, overwhelming, leaving no choice of means & no moment for deliberation. The fire in the video was not an imminent threat to anyone but the ants in the fire pit. But a cop drawing his pistol in my opinion meets all these criteria. We just don't defend ourselves because we would die or be jailed for life.
You risk everyones safety because you feel your rights are being violated. Give me a break. Grow up!!!!
runningwolfkenpo 1 month ago
Those of us who are fighting a much larger battle for our rights and freedoms would appreciate it if you wouldn't nitpick local bylaws and regulations that involve the safety of the population based on the amount of precipitation that was received. You obviously know these EMS and I don't know your history with them, so I can't make an informed decision. I do know that you know you have a volunteer FD and 2 were enjoying their day like you, but you felt the need to use GOV funds 2 use them.
navyk77 1 month ago
And this is why the North won
navyk77 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Mike, if the law says, "No open fires." You must not have an open fire. You won't like jail. You're not exempt. but you are stubborn.
nemo227 9 months ago
F..k the council the lazy ba..ds
grennanrt 11 months ago
a simple bucket of water would do the job. Let's go mister officer, make it big.
By the way, dont forget the ticket, your boss will like it.
TO SERVE AND PROTECT
Marcel1157 1 year ago
That being said, there are channels to voice your opinions and why you think there should be exceptions to the rules set forth. =D
prutledge07 1 year ago
the police and volunteer firemen were pretty darn nice considering the "fight" you were putting up with your fire. You could have simply put it out and done your burning according to the city codes (50 ft away from a structure) - they were just doing their job and not trying to ruin your weenie roast. You may be careful and control you fire but others may not, and that's why they have those type of rules.
prutledge07 1 year ago
does anyone know the toxicity of that foam stuff? I have lost a pile of respect for Babiarz. I resent picking on Kenyon a bit but I thought it was tasteful.
downlowfunk 1 year ago
again, that's what civic society is for. Grow up and get used to it.
Want to complain? Want to harass some people? Go to the town or the county and lobby to get the fire-pit laws changed. Quit harassing ordinary, upstanding citizens.
You really are just a terrible human being through and through. And you've got a lot of growing up to do. It seems to me a lot of you libertarians are like that. You've got no grand philosophy, you're just a bunch of weird, sick little anti-social a-holes.
BroccoliTowel 1 year ago
and can harm everyone. Surely one could make a minarchist argument for fire codes and departments. Oh, you're not a minarchist, you're an anarchist. Well, NOT EVRYONE IN THE WORLD SEES EVERYTHING EXACTLY THE WAY YOU DO. GET USED TO IT. That's why we have a democratic society with constitutional limits. We can't all get our way with every aspect of governance, so we do what we can with reforming government, but we also respect laws. You anarchists can't agree on every little thing either. But,
BroccoliTowel 1 year ago
Did John know when he took that job that he'd have to enforce stupid rules like that? Yes. Whether or not he agrees with them doesn't change the fact that he has to enforce them. But taking that job also came with the responsibility of RISKING HIS LIFE TO SAVE PEOPLE FROM FIRE. And he's doing that for free. Does that not matter in all this? Doesn't that more than make up for whatever stupid rules he has to enforce?
And are fire-related laws really that terrible and oppressive? Fires spread
BroccoliTowel 1 year ago
@BroccoliTowel some fires may spread but this one did not. fire law enforcement fail
optionism 1 year ago
@optionism
That isn't there decision to make. They're there to ENFORCE the laws. That's it. Whether or not it's a stupid law, or whether they think it's a stupid law, is no matter to the fact that it's their job to enforce the law. I think it's a stupid law, but I would still enforce it or put out the fire if it were my job. You know who you should be angry at? Whoever the hell called it in.
BroccoliTowel 1 year ago
@BroccoliTowel the law is a piece of paper and nothing more. police should let people peacefully go about their business (and not extinguish campfires). if their is a conflict between persons, police should help mediate the dispute.
optionism 1 year ago
Your behavior here is completely inappropriate. You act like John and that cop are personally deciding to enforce this law against you just out of the blue.
Did John or that cop call in the complaint? No. Someone did, so it's there JOB to respond. They HAVE to. When they took those jobs they agreed to do everything the laws and the state required of them. AGREED. Don't you weirdo anarchists love voluntary agreements? Should people who agree to do something suddenly not do it?
BroccoliTowel 1 year ago
Well made arguments, MsBertDog and dmmm32! Calling me names has completely convinced me that you are correct and I am wrong. Your hostility and lack of reasoning has shown me the light. Thanks for taking the time to converse with me and help straighten me out!
mcmikemn 1 year ago 3
Excellent; ;now if we have helped convince you to return to where you came from; even better! There's a reason you are attempting your idiocy here; it didn't work wherever you tried it before. At any rate, you are well outnumbered here; keep that in mind. AND we side with the law here in Grafton :)
MsBertDog 1 year ago
@MsBertDog Now see it is "TYRANNY" that you are siding with.
clintrdaniel 1 year ago
Oh my God! It is apparent that you have no education. Better look up and understand the definition of tyranny, you idiot. We applaud and support laws that protect us from idiots like you, so it is not "oppressive" government. One bucket of water could have ended your ordeal, so no sympathy for jerks like you. OH, BTW, you better have a license/permit to peddle your food (using that term loosely), or more "opressive government will be notified!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
MsBertDog 1 year ago
OMG, DUH, do YOU people get it? You didn't have a PERMIT! PLUS, idiots like you are likely to start a fire that would then burn down other's property. Uh, this is why there are permits for idiots like you. If you want to "fight authority," clearly you have come to the WRONG town. We support and back both fire and police here, so go back to where you came from. So far, you are outnumbered; IDIOTS 0, Town 1200. We simply will not tolerate your behavior here.
MsBertDog 1 year ago
@MsBertDog permits don't stop people from burning down other's property...permits are pieces of paper.
optionism 1 year ago
Yes, pieces of paper put into place due to idiots like you who don't respect the neigborhood, the residents, or the law. You think you are above the law. NOW you idiots are going to pay for the needless waste of our important community resources to deal with your ignorance. There is just no tallking you you. You JUST don't get it. DUH!!
MsBertDog 1 year ago
@MsBertDog no i wont pay because i do not live there.
As far as i could see, those people were respecting the neighborhood and residents because i didn't see any neighbors there complaining. I only saw cops disrespecting the people burning the fire.
optionism 1 year ago
Oh really? Well the cops weren't the ones who made the complaint in the first place.
BroccoliTowel 1 year ago
It certainly looked more than safe to me. Low flame , Rock and dirt all around. We don't know what the wind speed was , or the humidity level or the temp. it's seems as your typical case of authority trying to say Hey I'M the Law.
butchernomore 1 year ago
You guys are a bunch of assholes!!! Merle you need to take this video as evidence and do warrants on this piece of work. Check the RSA's it is illegal to tape your audio in the state of NH unless they have your permission, which I know they didnt. This is a fact!!! I am sure you know this and because you feared for your safety and you did not have back up with you at that time, you are working on this charges. Then throw in the burning fine as frosting.
A supporter of law!!!!
dmmm32 1 year ago
As a fellow neighbor, it is apparent that you people are COMPLETE IDIOTS!! Go back to where you came from. Perhaps you should read the 6/7/10Valley News (bet idiots like you can't read), and read a letter to the editor about another neighbor who finds you all to be idiots. We DEFEND both our POLICE and our FIRE personnel here in Grafton, so get used to it. ALSO, had you pulled a permit in the first place, NONE of this would have happened. IDIOTS, IDIOTS, IDIOTS!
MsBertDog 1 year ago
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MsBertDog 1 year ago
Whatever happened to personal accountability? We don't need officer to help us take our own safety into concern. You are ultimately responsible for your own safety. The guests on your property are responsible for their own safety and so on. If I was somewhere and I felt my safety was a concern I would promptly take action. If you do damage to your property or someone elses. you are responsible if it was your fault. and should be held accountable according to the law....
ebshangraw 1 year ago
This is ridiculous. We have fires about 3 feet away from stockpiles of firewood that has been drying for several years, and we were never once endangered. Thanks for not complying with such a silly order.
bluecobra95 1 year ago
Note that in a free society, both parties here would go to mutually agreeable arbitration, where it could be decided whether the force was justified or not.
I doubt they'd rule that a tiny fire in a pit like that was an imminent threat.
Instead, since we've got a one size fits all government, they get to make up whatever baloney they want, and there's little or no recourse.
ninjabunnyman 1 year ago
Mike you should send them a bill in return for unauthorized dumping of water and foam on your property.
COLDGLOW 1 year ago
John Babiarz is an aggressor and a polluter. Treat him accordingly.
aymfl 1 year ago
@aymfl
Treat him accordingly? Can you please clarify?
COLDGLOW 1 year ago
@COLDGLOW well, would you enter into a business relationship with an aggressor? trust him to be your friend? to provide a service to you? would you give a prize to a polluter? would you vote for one? These are the questions people may want to ask themselves in relation to John Babiarz.
aymfl 1 year ago
Jeez, even cops & fire department fuck with The Barskey!
I can't wait to see you tie up their stupid system in court if they are dumb enough to actually drag you in there. Soon it will all come a crashing down just from the sheer weight of their mess, and they won't even see it coming.
ChazMunro 1 year ago
When I owned that property (up until a week ago), I tried to use the mulch to fuel a fire - and failed. Couldn't get it to burn well.
odigity 1 year ago
Did you just not think this particular fire was dangerous or do you think in principle it's aggression to force someone to put out a dangerous fire?
EdwardMandellHouse 1 year ago
@EdwardMandellHouse,
Great question.
What is the line between justified self defense & unjustified force?
What qualifies an act as an initiation of force against me?
If a cop draws a pistol because I don't obey his orders, can I justifiably shoot him to protect my life?
How close to my property, out of control, & large does a fire have to be for me to justifiably enter my neighbors property to put it out?
If a neighbor points a missile at my house, can I justifiably destroy his missiles?
truthadvocate 1 year ago
@truthadvocate
I'd say if you are being eminently threatened, you have a right to defend yourself or your property. This had nothing to do with defense -- the idea that that tiny fire in a well defined pit was an eminent threat is absurd. It was code enforcement.
ninjabunnyman 1 year ago
@EdwardMandellHouse
I think it'd be reasonable to put out a fire that's a truly clear and eminent threat to yourself or your property. One should err strongly on the side of caution with the use of force, however, -- and this was nowhere close to meeting those criteria.
It's also the case that a person should be responsible for any damages they cause. This, rather than threats of fines, should be the main deterrent for irresponsible behavior.
ninjabunnyman 1 year ago
@ninjabunnyman,
Agreed. The tort law for damages has always been crystal clear. But the line at which a threat becomes imminent remains fuzzy. By international law, an imminent threat is instant, overwhelming, leaving no choice of means & no moment for deliberation. The fire in the video was not an imminent threat to anyone but the ants in the fire pit. But a cop drawing his pistol in my opinion meets all these criteria. We just don't defend ourselves because we would die or be jailed for life.
truthadvocate 1 year ago
@truthadvocate
agreed
ninjabunnyman 1 year ago
Another brilliant use of government force!
txballoonman 1 year ago