its funny how female artists are ALWAYS questioned for everything they do. Male artists don't have to think about anything, they make music about money and lyrics that are denigrating to women and perform in the most sexist ways but they are never questioned. Whenever a woman actually tries to bring a difference, suddenly we have to criticize her and jump on her, its as if women who actually TRY to do something different, are getting criticized by the women who ASK for difference. Really?
and somehow pretending that you were allright with what she did - as a dominant female - in the 80s and 90s? she's still dominant, she's still fighting sexism. look at her latest videos: she's doing what pop culture and society don't want to see her do. this video only proves that you're more narrow minded than you think, because the only reason you can find is "money". this is the same icon who refused to wear bras and shave herself. don't forget it.
And also: money? maybe there is something more to it. madonna maybe just felt that she showed herself as a dominant woman but now wanted to show another side of her. gimmick? if there's anyone being a gimmick, it's people like lady gaga or boy george, katy perry in her "e.t" video or rihanna. there is more than madonna. madonna became a mother and got more interested in spirituality. its funny, you feminists were mocking her since the start and now that she changed, youre mocking her again
@celena332 you are lying. full out lying. there are stories doing the rounds even on flickr accounts from people who used to know madonna back in the 70s, and they were bragging about pushing her down the stairs, putting acid in her hair, putting their heels into her stomach. she lost her mother, she was pushed around. if ANYONE had a hard childhood, its madonna.
Madonna does come back to white supremacist ideas. bell hooks is the truth. Madonna is very sad, "black men are the most sexist people on the planet" come on.... let's stop .... bell hooks is right, the color of green allows the collusion of all this: assumption "we all share the common morality of the dollar"
@Albacorewing Typical madonna fan. madonna is a dumb cunt, she's been indulged by the media to the point where they built her entire whoring career for her. Instead of assuming that ms Hooks want to pay for sex and little Latin rent boys and inflate her face with surgery whilst kidnapping, why don't you instead answer her critique. You know what? You can't! Madonna is a stupid cunt and so are all her fans.
@LEGOLASWIKIPEDIA If Madonna's attributes are so negative, then why does she have a wealthy, contented life? Your opinion about her is very over the top. When Madonna's star was rising, bell hooks and others never complained about her. Only now they do, which makes me wonder why.
Just like black people women need to build their own institutions that fight for their rights that are separate from patriarchal institutions. Madonna was short on talent and she always used whatever cultures she could to get ahead. Who ever said that she was a champion of black rights. White women like Madonna uphold patriarchy because it works for them as soon as it doesn't they cry out against it.
@2Baiforev Exactsly. Madonna has used, exploited and even kidnapped from Black culture. There is nothing graceful nor sincere about her methods. The woman is a nasty snake. Her karma has come back but surely nothing as bad as what lays ahead.
One is bound to enquire what bell hooks means by "the right".
I doubt that she really does know -- although it vaguely appears to signify something like "darkness" or "the devil" or "everything perverse in the universe."
As for Madonna: she's just a trashy attention whore, and I honestly don't see why ANYBODY would waste any time talking or thinking about her.
on the surface, hooks appears to be an intellectual with deep ideas, however many of her ideas, to me, come off as shallow and forced. for instance, her taking one or two lines from a quote in a magazine to use as her evidence madonna is a racist is a weak argument. she even says that madonna has used references to black music, black culture throughout her career and then bam! one quote from a magazine proves she's a racist and is only using black culture to profit is laughable.
@tyrant510 Do you know what you're talking about? The fact that she would have lost her career over this had there been an internet just shows you what sacred cow madonna is. That ONE quote was a typical madonna two face. Call her what she is. If you like her then fine but don't lie about the fact she's a friend of the right.
@tyrant510 Well look at what you're defending. Madonna got a free pass for this. She has been VERY famous and when has she ever been held accountable for being very caustic and nasty? She has not, she's been lionized for it. I think she should have apologised for this .
@tyrant510 Not when madonna has used black culture and surrounded herself in videos with blacks! The OJ thing was huge and she was buying in. She's just a short old Catholic who follows orders in the end. Logic is not only air tight her observations about Friedman capitalism and low values is clear as day.
@BrickLaneBetty you're right. i don't really care. and you know what, bricklane? no one else does either--it was years ago. burns you up, doesn't it? lol.
@tyrant510 No, because with one well edited video the comments could go viral and her exploitation of African and her kidnapping of her "adopted children" won't look so hot (it already doesn't). This is the age of internet and nothing can be lived down if it comes back.
@southhampton91 That's not the point. She can never truly hate what she needs and uses. Low intelligence and Friedman capitalism breeds that kind of two faced manipulation to be profitable. This is not about "how you think madonna feels" its about judging someone by their actions.
Using it as a brand, for street cred. No one who is a true anti-racist ally would have EVER said what she said and that was only when caught out by her own egotism, knowing the media would give her the free pass as it always has. The media protects madonna. while I feel most people to a certain extent are racist or have intrinsic racists biases endemic to how e are raised in the states, hers is particularly sleazy as it involves self glorification and now kidnapping. That above is who she is.
@southhampton91 Also what is "political Correctness?" To not be nasty and evolve is to be "picky." What do you mean?
NOT be nasty to blacks means you're "being PC?" What she said, after having a WHITE husband who beat her openly, was that "I've never been more disrespected than when I've been with black me." VERBATIM. Yet no black men have ever hit her according to her own words and the only man who ever did (and whom was charged) is white. THAT IS VERY CLEAR!
It's silly because you're assuming that sexism manifests itself only when someone hits you. No black man may have hit her but she must have encountered more subtle forms of sexism from not one but scores of black people to form that stereotype.
And just coz she admits that's how she feels about black men, it doesn't mean she hates them.
In June 1987, Madonna went to the Cedars Sinai hospital for an X-ray after Penn apparently hit her across the head with a baseball bat. According to a report FILED BY MADONNA with the Malibu sheriff's office, the two began to quarrel.he tried to bind her hands with an electric lamp and cord.Madonna fled from the bedroom. What followed was a nine-hour orde. Penn chased her into the living room, caught her and bound her to a chair with heavy twine. Then he threatened to cut off her hair.
@southhampton91 Not at all. This is about an individual who has never filed a police report against a black men and yet filed numerous ones against a white man for beating her up violently and found it convenient and profitable to ( while using and strip mining black culture) slag black men as "the most disrespectful."
madonna fans are sad. They know they have to defend her because she is such a manipulative low life.
Well, but that's what I'm bloody asking. Agreed she filed a complaint against a white man. But is ONE white man enough to form a stereotype about the entire white race?
How do you know about her encounters with black men enough to vilify her?
I mean, just look at the black dominated rap music. With all this booty talk etc. Can you find a white equivalent to that?
BTW, I'm no fan of Madonna.I'm only trying to understand your perspective. AND I DON"T HATE BLACK PEOPLE.
So, what I am getting at is, just coz Madonna made a comment about black sexism, does it by default mean that she is oblivious to or "condones" white sexism?
What's the fuss about? How does Madonna become racist?
@southhampton91 we are talking about a global icon, who has heavily used black culture and who has always called herself an alternate to "hate" and "intolerance" and a "warrior against repression and racism." So yes, in this case going out of her way to be a tool shows she IS a racist. Not in a hateful , blatant way but in an oblivious and materialist, way which is some ways is worst. The fuss to me is why the media ignored this.
Others say FAR LESS hateful words& lose their entire careers.
Because an art is separate from an artist. Good music doesn't become bad just coz the musician becomes bad.
"Going out ....to be a tool". That's too abstract.
You still haven't answered my question. Just coz Madonna made a comment about black sexism, does it by default mean that she is oblivious to or "condones" white sexism?
@southhampton91 ARTIST? Madonna is NOT an artist! She's stolen everything she's done. Paul Robeson is an artist., not that whore. If you think madonna makes good music I feel sorry for you. She stinks. Her singing live is some of the worst of anyone that "famous."
Tool is not abstract. She wants to be in on where the money is and at this point you are aware not enough of what of what the climate in the US is like for me to fill you in. Especially when that interview was given.
@southhampton91 I think people who have untold media clout are responsible for the images and words that are going to extensively and negatively impact those that don't. we agree to disagree on the sexism point but anyone denying she did not get a free pass from this (just as the media whitewashed her dating the murderer Chris Paceillo) is blind to what the media is.
@southhampton91 No. This was hidden as was her dating a murderer and being nasty and hypocritical to Sinaed O Connor. Yes, the media does sensationalize rubbish and protect it and THAT is what madonna is; rubbish protected by the media to dumb down society and women's music.
@BrickLaneBetty You may not believe this, but I am starting to come around to sharing your opinions of Madonna. I've been doing some reading up on her activities of the last few years. She is definitely a strange woman.
@bette1908 Hi, sorry it took so long to get back to you. in all fairness, I can understand anyone over 35 or so who still wants retain good memories of the 80's M because of how carefree the entire era was, even if it was because so much of the Reagan bush evil was hidden from the mainstream and we had an economy that was booming from military spending. fans still remember her for bringing back happy memories. after getting into a few caveman era arguments with fans i've come to realize my main
@bette1908 (cont) angst has surrounded the fact that the media and most of her fans allowed no critique. I feel if she had gone through a serious backlash and vanished for a few years, she'd have come back a better more likeable person. But she's never gone away or been forced to really change so that's where things are strange. it is like cultural Stalinism. Peace to you.
Wow! She used to be one of my fav African-American authors. Lucky you if you are currently a BA or MAsc student.There is so much more material available compared to what we had: watch, compare, analyse and decide. She does a very clear and interesting analysis of pop and counter-culture,feminism, women's self-image, patriarchy, race issues, the music industry as well... this is even more interesting now that we have gaga imitating her & past punk icons.Thx a lot for posting this Leocine... :)
I'm hearing what bell is saying. However, it's interesting that years later Madonna has adopted African children and wants to aid Malawi and Sean Penn has fought poverty and oppression in Iran and Haiti. Have the two taken bell to heart or did their money and fame make them break through to progressive thinking and actions?
bell hooks is a sistah with a plan. A plan for change, her attitude of cultural revolution is refreshing and I welcome it with open arms. It is time to shine the light on the bad and the ugly...Like it or not the voice of Love and truth will ultimate win in the end. Get on board and stop supporting the hegemonic systems that are in place. Haven't you hear "Babylon is fallen"
wow.. i didn't know about that spin article. that's a shame..and not totally surprising. bell of course hits the nail on the head with her great insight.
The more I hear this woman speak & the more I digest the essence of her ideas, the more I am becoming utterly convinced that what she says is fascinating & correct. Her independent thought oozes depth & unlike Zizek she can convey her ideas with enviable clarity & expression. No wonder that conservative fool David Horowitz placed her in the top 10 of his 101 most dangerous academics in America because knowledge is power & the capitalist white supremacists days of plenty are numbered...
in 2008, during her Sticky & Sweet Tour, Madonna has made several statements regarding Proposition 8, stating that if America can accept a black president (Barack Obama), it's ready to accept gay marriage.
BRICKLANEBETTY aka SUPERAMANDA actually is a very intelligent woman, & i like her, even tho it galls me to admit it. but she is the only critic of Madonna's on here that i will ever say that about
ok, lets call a truce, all of this is stupid and i am sorry for calling you a goose stepper..
Are you going to see MILK? It's what I'm living for, I can't wait. They filmed it near where I grew up and used all the people and archival footage of people who were there plus
appearances same. It's going to be so needed because California with prop 8 is in a really bad place. prop 8 has to go.
Yeah i cant wait to see MILK. yeah i agree all of this is accomplishing nothing & at the end of the day you, me, Madonna, Guy, and their kids are all just human beings doing the best we can in a screwed up place
Let's hope it's less screwed up beacuse of Obama. I just hope he doesn't fall prey to conservative and middle of the center African American community who doesn't believe that gays have civil rights struggle too and give into the gay marriage ban. He needs to be inaugurated tomorrow so we can see some hope and see what's going to happen.
he seems to be putting together a good team of individuals to help him run the country. i agree that the white house should definitely change hands as soon as possible
i,m not talking about race issues, i personally wish the whole world would gell along better, i don't believe in racism, it is very wrong. why anyone would think madonna is either racist or homophobic is beyond me. just look at the facts. i can see why madonna dosen't float alot of peoples boats but to say she is guilty of either is very lame and i don't see the evidence as i'm someone who has followed her career for 25 years.
No one is implying that she is racist.What Bell Hooks was simply trying to portray here is how Madonnas implication in the music industry led her to do certain things to maintain her stardom. And here we have evidence that she over sexualized herself which reflects other ideas in society which Bell Hooks explores. B H is simply stating the truth whether u like it or not.And nonetheless, she never directly said that Madonna was racist but she was involved in acts which reflect notions of racism.
madonna is the greatest!! why analyse so much. she's not the worlds best selling, most popular artist of the 21st century for nothing. you can spout all this stuff out as much as anything, won't stop the fact that's she's where she is today by being intelligent, creative, artistic, talented and very shrewd. that's why she's still at the top of her game 25 years on. like her or not, believe what you like, analyse as much as you like. she's still the greatest living icon. team madonna all the way!
if madonna was using white supremacy to revamp her image, wouldn't it have been all over the place other than in response to 1 question in 1 interview? i was with her until that.
You are the perfect example of a person who doesnt open their hearts and minds to the reality of things. It sucks that some people have been so absorbed by this system created by white male supremacists that they will never see anything beyond what the system wants them to see. Goodluck in life.
open my heart & mind to what? that Madonna is a racist? sorry, not buying it! i don't see what others want me to see, I see things very clearly for myself. And you are the one that needs luck in life. And please don't bother to respond back, I have no desire to discuss the issue with you
No, I'm right here without hiding and I just can't believe how you still have no personal opinions of your own. sorry to break it to you but I'm not the only one who thinks your icon who can never maintain a happy loving relationship is 100% worthless. Too bad, if she's been riding her husband instead of that horse she might still be married. But it's all his fault right? of course. I'm glad I'm a fan that actually questions my icons and not just nods and agrees with the media.
i do have opinions, u just cant see past your own to realize that & u obviously wont be happy until i find something to criticize Madonna for. As for Guy, yes he is partly to blame. he was 50% of the marriage & he chose to marry an ambitious woman. he didnt seem to mind walking away with some of her cash. they're both at fault but thats their business. if u dont like her, dont listen to her, dont buy her cd's, & dont go to her shows, but stop coming down on her fans just because u HATE HER!
i agree with that, these haters are so boring, madonna is the greatest and that's all there is to it, yes i love madonna, i'm not gay either before i get all that crap again.
LOL. i am. btw, have u seen some of these other comments from people like "fionalawsonstalksme", "gaymenwhohatemadonna", "freeguyritchie", "felinekittyjukebox", & others? they are all the same damn person, & i will give u 1 guess who it is
it dosen't matter to me if you are, i hope that didn't come across that way lol!!i've had so many comments implying that i'm gay because i like madonna and they've not been very pleasent, i know they're all the same person, it's the same old crap time and time again, it seems to be taken out of all context, as regards to race, white people are not the only ones guilty of being racist, i'm sure it comes from blacks against whites too. i hate racism, i hate homophobia, i hate all hate!!
yeah its SUPERAMANDA aka BRICKLANEBETTY. her real name is amanda casabianca. if u google her real name u will see that she is all over the place. she even tried to start a petition to keep Madonna out of the Rock 'n Roll hall of fame.i try not to be too hard on her because if u talk about equality for gays she is 100% for it. for that reason i always try to respect her opinions, even tho she doesnt seem to show me the same courtesy. i think on some level she & i love to argue with each other.
I thought he walked away with that huge Cecil Beaton estate and therefore that meant cash but only beacuse she did not want it and there was quickie division of assets. I have been in the UK for the whole thing and I heard him make no statements.The story she told the press was that he turned her back on her after the horseback rising accident which is sad if it's true .
u might wanna sit down, because I'm gonna criticize Madonna. Her biggest problem is she NEVER stops. i think with her drive to succeed + not wanting to let her anyone down she may have lost sight of whats really important to her. she has cut 2 albums & gone on 2 world tours in the span of 2 years. THAT'S WAY TOO MUCH! it probably took its toll on the marriage. i lay most of the blame on that. by now she has earned the right to take a break. if i we're her i would. a true fan would understand
plus adopting another child & making that horrible movie in between probably took away from "Guy & Madonna" time ( sorry Madonna, I do hate ur movies, but unless its an old black & white from the 30's, 40's, or 50's, i don't have time for movies anyway, except for a few
I think all her fans feel that way, what is sad is that six months off would be nothing as far as her fame is concerned, even a year.The media would wonder and it would prove to be another event! what's sad about Guy is that he would have tried to save it, British men do that, they rarely get divorced if they have young kids.
yeah if she even thought about laying low for an indefinite amount of timethe paparazzi no doubt would start prying. maybe thats why she was considering buying the Onassis island a few years ago, to get some peace
Guess you missed the second half of the walk where it talks about power being hidden by other things. And this is amusing, since so many seem to think this is only about racism and totally pass over the sexism bit, which was the main focus to start with.
And around this era, the Cross-dressing black basketball player Dennis Rodman wrote his pathetic kiss and tell book "Bad As I Wanna Be/Walk On The Wild Side" where he dedicated a WHOLE (fictional) chapter about Madonna, really shitting on her and talking of their sex life. Even then she never argued back in a racist way, she called him a 'snake'. Now youre gonna tell me a snake is a racist name? Fuck off. He is/was a snake.
and quit messaging me in private 'fionawilson..bla bla' cause im not interested in reading your weird messages. You are a Freak. Im quite comfortable in my own skin, im not too tall, but like madonna and most others on here, im human. You need to get a life mate. Move on.
And you should stop dissing the gay men on this site if you dont agree with prejudice and racism as you so say.. you are a fucking hypocrite. I can imagine that your mother was most probably a crack whore and maybe her boyfriends messed with you did they? cause you got serious issues pal.
madonna is NOT fucking racist. Get a life. Thats been written uncorrectly.. Everyone knows that she is not a racist, she LOVES blacks. She has been with black men and now has a black adopted baby. What other rich stars go and adopt a black baby? get real here. Racism works both ways. But madonna is no way racist.
the thing madonna said is not is not racist at all...she doesn't talk about the black race, she talks about the male figure (in black cuture) and his attitude towards the female, white or black female...its not a racial statement but a cultural statement
black people are the FIRST to cry racism, their best palying card. Get a fucking life, you yourselves have the hang up. Madonna a racist?? do me a favor.
how can i be racist when im not even fucking english myself, you fool. I just dont get what you mean that she's racist when has had many black lovers and wanted Dennis Rodmans baby??? and then in Like A Prayer she made the saint figure be a black man.. then.. later she adopts a black son.. so????? i dont get you. I think youre the one who has all the hate issues.
Even if Haeckel claimed to be a scientist and not a politician, his words were politically intended. Haeckel declared very explicitly that Darwinism was not compatible with socialism. The root for the brilliantly frightening philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche lies in Haeckels horrific ideas. One should honor the fate that says to the weak `Die.
Ernst Haeckel,a German biologist,simplified and brutalized Darwins biologicalideas. Haeckels language and thinking are absolutely nauseating from a contemporary perspective. The cruel and merciless `struggle for life raging everywhere in living nature, this ceaseless and inexorable competition of all living things, is an undeniable fact. Only the select minority of the favored diligent can happily survive this rivalry while the great majority of competitors must necessarily die miserably.
A man named Friedrich Nietzsche was the founder of the "God is dead" fame adapted Darwin's ideas and came up with a "superman" or "super-race" philosophy. The idea of natural selection was taken a step farther by Nietzsche. He suggested that welfare, eugenics, and merciless extinction of inferior race was appropriate. Friedrich Nietzsche later went insane.
You claim Friedrich Nietzsche and his original work has NOTHING to do and no association with 19th century reinterpretation and/or interpretation of Darwinism in regards to Sociology.
You are wrong according to every source out there unless you can prove otherwise.
Youre not making ANY sense at all. What does she care whether she has a few millions more or less?
Truth is that she's always been a feminist. When she was 17 she REFUSED to shave her legs, do her eyebrows, shave her armpits, or wear makeup. Do you think she did that back then to get "publicity" to get attention to get money?
FEMINISM has nothing TO DO WITH HOW YOU LOOK! stop buying the madonna80's Reagan media sanctioned brain feed &think for yourself.
"Do you think she did that back then to get "publicity" to get attention to get money?"
OF COURSE! M is 100% AVERAGE and could not stand out in and of herself. Feminism is many things but women hurting other women is not one of them that's what madonna has always done; hurt, ripped off the ideas &stepped on other women until she became to old to get away with it.
Well I guess many people need a way to waste their time or get their fifteen minutes of fame. And unfortunately most of them use it to mad-mouth other people in order to feel good about themselves.
No, that's the media's "preprogrammed madonna defense response." I'm VERY strong as is hooks and madonna is a wimpy and scared woman to me. She symbolizes a very short, small desperate women dying to cling to her unhappy husband and desperately use her mother's death as an excuse for greed. that's not STRONG that's desperate. people don't like madonna because she has been mean and vulgar and when they hear her pretentiously tempting to squawk about Africa it feels false and surreptitious.
No she's not,Belle hooks is correct mandonna has surrounded herself with blacks as props and she uses David Banda as one. Those comments, had they been said in the era of the internet, would have caused a Don Imus furor but as most of Madonna's friends ARE the media her fans are very racist white and Latino gay men willing to eat her feces she would have of course sailed through.
It's not always about appearance for some people,I know that flies in the face of the Madonna effect where appearance is first, second and third priority but there are many out there who are just not into their appearance with the feelings you just laid out.Hook's as a Black woman was obviously very offended by madonna &whether we all say stupid shit or not, what madonna said SHOULD have caused an outcry. it's the media's fault along w/her fans who NEVER question Madonna's occasional stupidity.
I'm more offended by hooks' jealousy of her money, attention, and "power." This "outcry" you speak of, is no different than blacks calling whites "barbaric." She's hypocrite and needs to reds some Nietzsche. Real life, not finger-wagging.
"This "outcry" you speak of, is no different than blacks calling whites "barbaric."
That has nothing to do with an inarticulate nasty statement made by madonna.
Nietzsche? No, gross 19th century misinterpretation of Darwinism is not what Hooks or many leftist feminists are about about!
And while Hooks does overly intellectualized a very anti-intellectual media whore she is imply stating the facts and I'm not sure any "finger pointing" is going on.
I suggest you read about SOCIAL DARWINISM which is exactly what I was implying re.Nietzsche .
To use the term Darwinism is misbegotten true but that's exactly what Nietzsche, Galton and Herbert Spencer did in their gross 19th century misinterpretation which applied the law of the survival of the fittest to society and in which many ways jibes with the Reagan/80's hangover that is madonna but once again that's giving her too much credit.
Name one book Nietzsche wrote regarding "Social Darwinism". Darwin wrote about biology and natural selection, NOT about human society. Get your facts straight, please.
I have MY facts straight you don't know your Nietzsche and have bought into the generic Hitler nationalist view of him as embraced by Hitler and post modernism or we agree to disagree.
"Darwin wrote about biology and natural selection, NOT about human society. "
YES AND THAT WAS reinterpreted (or misinterpreted and misappropriated) into SOCIOLOGY by the people I mentioned below anyone with bachelor's degree should know THAT! THAT'S FIRST GRADE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED!
From Wikipedia: Friedrich Nietzsche Influenced by Dostoevsky, Emerson, Goethe, Kant, Plato, La Rochefoucauld, Schopenhauer, Pascal, Wagner, DARWIN, Burckhardt, Stendhal, Spinoza
Fuck Wikipedia. It's written by contributers, not published scholars. Again, your sources are weak. And besides, what does your bullshit Darwin/Nietzsche have to do with hook's finger-wagging?
You are so wrong and can't admit and that's ok, if i was a madonna defender sticking up for the worst physical symmetry, smallest bust and anti amazon body known to modern man, I would not want to be beaten by Super Amanda and her big jugs and brains either.
My sources aren't weak and you are not hearing what I'm saying. i hate wiki too but FN WAS HUGELY INFLUENCED BY DARWIN! INFLUENCED!
Example: many so called Christians misuse the teachings in the bible, that is what FN did with Darwin.
I'm not wrong. You can't quote a book Nietzsche wrote that speaks of Dawrin. Again, I don't care what OTHERS say about Nietzsche, I'm referring to what he ACTUALLY said. It must suck being slow.
Nietzsche DOES speak of him are you blind, have you only read half of one of his books or ANY? Or is he just a name you drop as Vadge drops names like Goddard and Mahler and doesn't know shit about what she's talking about?
SLOW? As for getting personal, in Nietzsche's world I would crush you like a fucking grape. Why the hell do you think I'm Super Amanda? I'm taller , better proportioned, younger and stronger and healthier than you all because of genetics.
And one of the reasons I don't like FN is that all women ultimately have shelf lifes that expire including me and definitely mandonna who is been expired for at least a decade despite copious injects of hydrogenated oil. hooks is exempt because she never bought in and in some ways more powerful than all three of us.
Okay, since you're clearly, slow. I'm going to repeat it once more: Darwin...never...spoke..about...the.. topic.. of...MORALITY. Nietzsche DID! Christ! One more time in case you're chewing gun WAY too hard.Nietzsche spoke about morality, Darwin DID NOOOOOT. Name one book where Darwin spoke about morality. I didn't think this would be hard to understand! Man.
I never said that I was defending Socialism or even putting down Nietzsche I was speaking for hooks and other leftist feminists who has made her views clear.
I'm an old world Italian anti-materialist,semi Nihilistic, radical leftist breast fetishist.
Fuck bell hooks and the horse she rode in on. Identifying the "problems" and complaining, by espousing social "awareness" just like another Utopian Noam Chomsky, is doing nothing more than pointing out the "ugliness" of humanity. Funny, Nietzsche, did the exact same thing, but clearly more realistically.
Wrong, he interpreted HOMERIC (you know, ancient Greek texts)values, NOT Dawrin. Based on strength, superiority in the civilization. Again, Darwin was NOT a moralist!!!!!
I think Amanda knows who the fuck Homer was, she could name over 300 classic Greek writers and mythological figure before she was ten while her classmates could barely read.what you're unable to accept is that Nietzsche was a Social Darwinist to a certain extent even if Charles Darwin himself was not and Amanda meticulously explained that to you.
Frederich Nietzsche did not understand classical Greek scholars along with his own cock,he remains a kitsch figure strictly for pseudo intellectuals.
YOU said that Hooks needs to read FN and I assure you any leftist feminist is way beyond or not into that outdated gross 19th century misinterpretation of DARWIN crap just like Ayn Rand another sacred cow of 10 cent intellects repels many who figured out her generic shtick in the 9th grade when they rad The fountain head.. Ann Coulter embraces that shit yes, but bell hooks no.
just loving the fact queen madonna is number one in the uk, europe and the world chart, breaking both records, she held herself, stick that in your pipe and smoke it, hopefully be seeing my beloved madge in may!!
Madonna is a commodity. pure in simple, and in the most degraded and dilapidated kind of way. I am 19, and the mass consumer emphasis on sex is just annoying. Okay, we have received the message. Let's get to some real details. Madonna praises herself and represents a vague type of politics. I do not think she is racist at all, but I do think her comments in the article have the potential to perpetuate a racial generalization which is inherently racist.
Great points about Madonna.
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coolkid818181 2 months ago
its funny how female artists are ALWAYS questioned for everything they do. Male artists don't have to think about anything, they make music about money and lyrics that are denigrating to women and perform in the most sexist ways but they are never questioned. Whenever a woman actually tries to bring a difference, suddenly we have to criticize her and jump on her, its as if women who actually TRY to do something different, are getting criticized by the women who ASK for difference. Really?
lucyintheskywithcake 5 months ago
@lucyintheskywithcake funny how you want to rationalize how racist this stupid slag is. GO AWAY.
BrickLaneBetty 3 months ago
and somehow pretending that you were allright with what she did - as a dominant female - in the 80s and 90s? she's still dominant, she's still fighting sexism. look at her latest videos: she's doing what pop culture and society don't want to see her do. this video only proves that you're more narrow minded than you think, because the only reason you can find is "money". this is the same icon who refused to wear bras and shave herself. don't forget it.
lucyintheskywithcake 5 months ago
Respond to this video... "Dominant woman" don't pay for sex with much younger men because they are no longer desirable.
BrickLaneBetty 3 months ago
And also: money? maybe there is something more to it. madonna maybe just felt that she showed herself as a dominant woman but now wanted to show another side of her. gimmick? if there's anyone being a gimmick, it's people like lady gaga or boy george, katy perry in her "e.t" video or rihanna. there is more than madonna. madonna became a mother and got more interested in spirituality. its funny, you feminists were mocking her since the start and now that she changed, youre mocking her again
lucyintheskywithcake 5 months ago
@lucyintheskywithcake Wow, you need to read the text in "Madonan is a copy paste Queen of Rip offs" on Listal. You are deluded.
BrickLaneBetty 3 months ago
@celena332 you are lying. full out lying. there are stories doing the rounds even on flickr accounts from people who used to know madonna back in the 70s, and they were bragging about pushing her down the stairs, putting acid in her hair, putting their heels into her stomach. she lost her mother, she was pushed around. if ANYONE had a hard childhood, its madonna.
lucyintheskywithcake 5 months ago
Madonna does come back to white supremacist ideas. bell hooks is the truth. Madonna is very sad, "black men are the most sexist people on the planet" come on.... let's stop .... bell hooks is right, the color of green allows the collusion of all this: assumption "we all share the common morality of the dollar"
MBarbaran01 6 months ago
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bette1908 6 months ago
Why is this feminist yelling about Madonna? This bell hooks is obviously envious of the money Madona has made.
Albacorewing 6 months ago
@Albacorewing Typical madonna fan. madonna is a dumb cunt, she's been indulged by the media to the point where they built her entire whoring career for her. Instead of assuming that ms Hooks want to pay for sex and little Latin rent boys and inflate her face with surgery whilst kidnapping, why don't you instead answer her critique. You know what? You can't! Madonna is a stupid cunt and so are all her fans.
LEGOLASWIKIPEDIA 6 months ago
@LEGOLASWIKIPEDIA If Madonna's attributes are so negative, then why does she have a wealthy, contented life? Your opinion about her is very over the top. When Madonna's star was rising, bell hooks and others never complained about her. Only now they do, which makes me wonder why.
Albacorewing 6 months ago
Just like black people women need to build their own institutions that fight for their rights that are separate from patriarchal institutions. Madonna was short on talent and she always used whatever cultures she could to get ahead. Who ever said that she was a champion of black rights. White women like Madonna uphold patriarchy because it works for them as soon as it doesn't they cry out against it.
2Baiforev 7 months ago
@2Baiforev Exactsly. Madonna has used, exploited and even kidnapped from Black culture. There is nothing graceful nor sincere about her methods. The woman is a nasty snake. Her karma has come back but surely nothing as bad as what lays ahead.
LEGOLASWIKIPEDIA 6 months ago 5
One is bound to enquire what bell hooks means by "the right".
I doubt that she really does know -- although it vaguely appears to signify something like "darkness" or "the devil" or "everything perverse in the universe."
As for Madonna: she's just a trashy attention whore, and I honestly don't see why ANYBODY would waste any time talking or thinking about her.
fidelbogen 8 months ago
@fidelbogen when someone is ALWAYS in the media and controlling cultural trends you are a fool not to speak out!
LEGOLASWIKIPEDIA 6 months ago
omg first time i hear of bell hooks and i am becoming a complete fan. what a FANTASTIC speaker, what an INTELLIGENT woman. i love her.
lauracida 8 months ago
Hmph! Janet is waaaaaay better than Madonna!
joetj 9 months ago 2
whoa that magazine shoot was madonna? how much plastic surgery has she had exactly?
miyandere 10 months ago
on the surface, hooks appears to be an intellectual with deep ideas, however many of her ideas, to me, come off as shallow and forced. for instance, her taking one or two lines from a quote in a magazine to use as her evidence madonna is a racist is a weak argument. she even says that madonna has used references to black music, black culture throughout her career and then bam! one quote from a magazine proves she's a racist and is only using black culture to profit is laughable.
tyrant510 1 year ago
@tyrant510 Do you know what you're talking about? The fact that she would have lost her career over this had there been an internet just shows you what sacred cow madonna is. That ONE quote was a typical madonna two face. Call her what she is. If you like her then fine but don't lie about the fact she's a friend of the right.
BrickLaneBetty 1 year ago
@BrickLaneBetty oh, you know, you're right. thank you for your eloquence.
tyrant510 1 year ago
@tyrant510 Well look at what you're defending. Madonna got a free pass for this. She has been VERY famous and when has she ever been held accountable for being very caustic and nasty? She has not, she's been lionized for it. I think she should have apologised for this .
BrickLaneBetty 1 year ago
@BrickLaneBetty my comment is not so much in defense of madonna (however, i see no wrongdoing here), rather a critique of hooks' logic--it's flimsy.
tyrant510 1 year ago
@tyrant510 Not when madonna has used black culture and surrounded herself in videos with blacks! The OJ thing was huge and she was buying in. She's just a short old Catholic who follows orders in the end. Logic is not only air tight her observations about Friedman capitalism and low values is clear as day.
BrickLaneBetty 1 year ago
@tyrant510 It is also more than one quote. Read it. Its a whole drawn out manipulative spiel. But hey, her fans don't care....
BrickLaneBetty 1 year ago
@BrickLaneBetty you're right. i don't really care. and you know what, bricklane? no one else does either--it was years ago. burns you up, doesn't it? lol.
tyrant510 1 year ago
@tyrant510 No, because with one well edited video the comments could go viral and her exploitation of African and her kidnapping of her "adopted children" won't look so hot (it already doesn't). This is the age of internet and nothing can be lived down if it comes back.
BrickLaneBetty 1 year ago
@BrickLaneBetty good idea. why don't you put a video together and post it on youtube. have fun!
tyrant510 1 year ago
Someone already did.
BrickLaneBetty 1 year ago
@BrickLaneBetty well, i'm sure it's keeping madonna up at night.
tyrant510 1 year ago
@tyrant510 That's not the point but keep believing that someone worthless like madonna has a pulse.
BrickLaneBetty 1 year ago
But, there is a hell lot of misogyny and patriarchy perpetrated by the rap and hip hop music industry which consists of predominantly black men
southhampton91 1 year ago
@southhampton91 And? That gives Madonna a free pass?
BrickLaneBetty 1 year ago
@BrickLaneBetty
I don't think Madonna hates black men just because she made a politically incorrect statement. So yes.
southhampton91 1 year ago
@southhampton91 That's not the point. She can never truly hate what she needs and uses. Low intelligence and Friedman capitalism breeds that kind of two faced manipulation to be profitable. This is not about "how you think madonna feels" its about judging someone by their actions.
BrickLaneBetty 1 year ago
@BrickLaneBetty
Enlighten me. What are her actions? In relation to race?
southhampton91 1 year ago
Using it as a brand, for street cred. No one who is a true anti-racist ally would have EVER said what she said and that was only when caught out by her own egotism, knowing the media would give her the free pass as it always has. The media protects madonna. while I feel most people to a certain extent are racist or have intrinsic racists biases endemic to how e are raised in the states, hers is particularly sleazy as it involves self glorification and now kidnapping. That above is who she is.
BrickLaneBetty 1 year ago
@southhampton91 Also what is "political Correctness?" To not be nasty and evolve is to be "picky." What do you mean?
NOT be nasty to blacks means you're "being PC?" What she said, after having a WHITE husband who beat her openly, was that "I've never been more disrespected than when I've been with black me." VERBATIM. Yet no black men have ever hit her according to her own words and the only man who ever did (and whom was charged) is white. THAT IS VERY CLEAR!
PC? whatever.
BrickLaneBetty 1 year ago
@BrickLaneBetty
It's silly because you're assuming that sexism manifests itself only when someone hits you. No black man may have hit her but she must have encountered more subtle forms of sexism from not one but scores of black people to form that stereotype.
And just coz she admits that's how she feels about black men, it doesn't mean she hates them.
southhampton91 1 year ago
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BrickLaneBetty 1 year ago
In June 1987, Madonna went to the Cedars Sinai hospital for an X-ray after Penn apparently hit her across the head with a baseball bat. According to a report FILED BY MADONNA with the Malibu sheriff's office, the two began to quarrel.he tried to bind her hands with an electric lamp and cord.Madonna fled from the bedroom. What followed was a nine-hour orde. Penn chased her into the living room, caught her and bound her to a chair with heavy twine. Then he threatened to cut off her hair.
BrickLaneBetty 1 year ago
@BrickLaneBetty
Ok, so white men are sexist? Is that you want us to conclude?
southhampton91 1 year ago
@southhampton91 Not at all. This is about an individual who has never filed a police report against a black men and yet filed numerous ones against a white man for beating her up violently and found it convenient and profitable to ( while using and strip mining black culture) slag black men as "the most disrespectful."
madonna fans are sad. They know they have to defend her because she is such a manipulative low life.
BrickLaneBetty 1 year ago
@BrickLaneBetty
Well, but that's what I'm bloody asking. Agreed she filed a complaint against a white man. But is ONE white man enough to form a stereotype about the entire white race?
How do you know about her encounters with black men enough to vilify her?
I mean, just look at the black dominated rap music. With all this booty talk etc. Can you find a white equivalent to that?
BTW, I'm no fan of Madonna.I'm only trying to understand your perspective. AND I DON"T HATE BLACK PEOPLE.
southhampton91 1 year ago
@southhampton91 "Can you find a white equivalent to that?" The The Stones, Aerosmith, and about three thousand heavy metal bands! Russell Brand.
I'm sure you are not racist.
BrickLaneBetty 1 year ago
@BrickLaneBetty
So, what I am getting at is, just coz Madonna made a comment about black sexism, does it by default mean that she is oblivious to or "condones" white sexism?
What's the fuss about? How does Madonna become racist?
southhampton91 1 year ago
@southhampton91 we are talking about a global icon, who has heavily used black culture and who has always called herself an alternate to "hate" and "intolerance" and a "warrior against repression and racism." So yes, in this case going out of her way to be a tool shows she IS a racist. Not in a hateful , blatant way but in an oblivious and materialist, way which is some ways is worst. The fuss to me is why the media ignored this.
Others say FAR LESS hateful words& lose their entire careers.
BrickLaneBetty 1 year ago
@BrickLaneBetty
Because an art is separate from an artist. Good music doesn't become bad just coz the musician becomes bad.
"Going out ....to be a tool". That's too abstract.
You still haven't answered my question. Just coz Madonna made a comment about black sexism, does it by default mean that she is oblivious to or "condones" white sexism?
southhampton91 1 year ago
@southhampton91 ARTIST? Madonna is NOT an artist! She's stolen everything she's done. Paul Robeson is an artist., not that whore. If you think madonna makes good music I feel sorry for you. She stinks. Her singing live is some of the worst of anyone that "famous."
Tool is not abstract. She wants to be in on where the money is and at this point you are aware not enough of what of what the climate in the US is like for me to fill you in. Especially when that interview was given.
BrickLaneBetty 1 year ago
@BrickLaneBetty
Given it's all about the money.
But calling her a whore doesn't answer if you think she automatically condones white sexism just coz she talks of black sexism.
southhampton91 1 year ago
@southhampton91 I think people who have untold media clout are responsible for the images and words that are going to extensively and negatively impact those that don't. we agree to disagree on the sexism point but anyone denying she did not get a free pass from this (just as the media whitewashed her dating the murderer Chris Paceillo) is blind to what the media is.
BrickLaneBetty 1 year ago
@BrickLaneBetty
The media also sensationalizes rubbish and this could be one such example!
southhampton91 1 year ago
@southhampton91 No. This was hidden as was her dating a murderer and being nasty and hypocritical to Sinaed O Connor. Yes, the media does sensationalize rubbish and protect it and THAT is what madonna is; rubbish protected by the media to dumb down society and women's music.
BrickLaneBetty 1 year ago
@BrickLaneBetty You may not believe this, but I am starting to come around to sharing your opinions of Madonna. I've been doing some reading up on her activities of the last few years. She is definitely a strange woman.
bette1908 10 months ago
@bette1908 Hi, sorry it took so long to get back to you. in all fairness, I can understand anyone over 35 or so who still wants retain good memories of the 80's M because of how carefree the entire era was, even if it was because so much of the Reagan bush evil was hidden from the mainstream and we had an economy that was booming from military spending. fans still remember her for bringing back happy memories. after getting into a few caveman era arguments with fans i've come to realize my main
BrickLaneBetty 10 months ago
@bette1908 (cont) angst has surrounded the fact that the media and most of her fans allowed no critique. I feel if she had gone through a serious backlash and vanished for a few years, she'd have come back a better more likeable person. But she's never gone away or been forced to really change so that's where things are strange. it is like cultural Stalinism. Peace to you.
BrickLaneBetty 10 months ago
@BrickLaneBetty Peace to you as well. BTW I stumbled across your blog. I enjoy it, and congrats on becoming a mother.
bette1908 10 months ago
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@southhampton91 You are not playing with a full deck.
BrickLaneBetty 1 year ago
Wow! She used to be one of my fav African-American authors. Lucky you if you are currently a BA or MAsc student.There is so much more material available compared to what we had: watch, compare, analyse and decide. She does a very clear and interesting analysis of pop and counter-culture,feminism, women's self-image, patriarchy, race issues, the music industry as well... this is even more interesting now that we have gaga imitating her & past punk icons.Thx a lot for posting this Leocine... :)
lagoyave 1 year ago
Matriarchality. Read my site, MidnightNotebook
SandrineSoprano 1 year ago
Love bell hooks she just tells is as it is no sugar coating love her
MizzDiamonds 1 year ago
Boring!
ThiCiccone 1 year ago
I'm hearing what bell is saying. However, it's interesting that years later Madonna has adopted African children and wants to aid Malawi and Sean Penn has fought poverty and oppression in Iran and Haiti. Have the two taken bell to heart or did their money and fame make them break through to progressive thinking and actions?
manboobbear 1 year ago
@manboobbear You can be working for progressive and or Gay causes and still a be racist.
BrickLaneBetty 1 year ago
@manboobbear Adopting African children or doing aid work for people who are not white does not make one progressive.
MadameP 1 year ago
Bell hooks is awesome !
aloofbooks 1 year ago
great video. (ms hooks) amazing lady.
thank you for the videos.
SUPERB stuff
best wishes
Mr pecker decker
peckerdecker 1 year ago
bell hooks is a sistah with a plan. A plan for change, her attitude of cultural revolution is refreshing and I welcome it with open arms. It is time to shine the light on the bad and the ugly...Like it or not the voice of Love and truth will ultimate win in the end. Get on board and stop supporting the hegemonic systems that are in place. Haven't you hear "Babylon is fallen"
Msashay1 1 year ago 2
She seems so much more soft-spoken than I would've imagined her to be, based on her writing.
emmaknightley 2 years ago 10
wow.. i didn't know about that spin article. that's a shame..and not totally surprising. bell of course hits the nail on the head with her great insight.
jmeansb 2 years ago 3
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Bell Hooks is so full of crap.
Isaksen 2 years ago
In what way? Back your statement up. I don't think I agree with you at all.
velveteye74 2 years ago 2
damn this queen is on point......
telemanque 2 years ago 27
The more I hear this woman speak & the more I digest the essence of her ideas, the more I am becoming utterly convinced that what she says is fascinating & correct. Her independent thought oozes depth & unlike Zizek she can convey her ideas with enviable clarity & expression. No wonder that conservative fool David Horowitz placed her in the top 10 of his 101 most dangerous academics in America because knowledge is power & the capitalist white supremacists days of plenty are numbered...
arachnoblaster 2 years ago 40
in 2008, during her Sticky & Sweet Tour, Madonna has made several statements regarding Proposition 8, stating that if America can accept a black president (Barack Obama), it's ready to accept gay marriage.
bette1908 3 years ago
BRICKLANEBETTY aka SUPERAMANDA actually is a very intelligent woman, & i like her, even tho it galls me to admit it. but she is the only critic of Madonna's on here that i will ever say that about
bette1908 3 years ago
ok, lets call a truce, all of this is stupid and i am sorry for calling you a goose stepper..
Are you going to see MILK? It's what I'm living for, I can't wait. They filmed it near where I grew up and used all the people and archival footage of people who were there plus
appearances same. It's going to be so needed because California with prop 8 is in a really bad place. prop 8 has to go.
BrickLaneBetty 3 years ago 3
Yeah i cant wait to see MILK. yeah i agree all of this is accomplishing nothing & at the end of the day you, me, Madonna, Guy, and their kids are all just human beings doing the best we can in a screwed up place
bette1908 3 years ago
Let's hope it's less screwed up beacuse of Obama. I just hope he doesn't fall prey to conservative and middle of the center African American community who doesn't believe that gays have civil rights struggle too and give into the gay marriage ban. He needs to be inaugurated tomorrow so we can see some hope and see what's going to happen.
BrickLaneBetty 3 years ago 3
he seems to be putting together a good team of individuals to help him run the country. i agree that the white house should definitely change hands as soon as possible
bette1908 3 years ago
felinekittyjukebox. why have you told me to f*** off, don't understand why you'd say that?
ilovegmks 3 years ago
because he/she is a fucking moron
bette1908 3 years ago 2
haha!!
ilovegmks 3 years ago
i,m not talking about race issues, i personally wish the whole world would gell along better, i don't believe in racism, it is very wrong. why anyone would think madonna is either racist or homophobic is beyond me. just look at the facts. i can see why madonna dosen't float alot of peoples boats but to say she is guilty of either is very lame and i don't see the evidence as i'm someone who has followed her career for 25 years.
ilovegmks 3 years ago
No one is implying that she is racist.What Bell Hooks was simply trying to portray here is how Madonnas implication in the music industry led her to do certain things to maintain her stardom. And here we have evidence that she over sexualized herself which reflects other ideas in society which Bell Hooks explores. B H is simply stating the truth whether u like it or not.And nonetheless, she never directly said that Madonna was racist but she was involved in acts which reflect notions of racism.
ldbordes 3 years ago 4
madonna is the greatest!! why analyse so much. she's not the worlds best selling, most popular artist of the 21st century for nothing. you can spout all this stuff out as much as anything, won't stop the fact that's she's where she is today by being intelligent, creative, artistic, talented and very shrewd. that's why she's still at the top of her game 25 years on. like her or not, believe what you like, analyse as much as you like. she's still the greatest living icon. team madonna all the way!
ilovegmks 3 years ago
FUCK OFF!
felinekittyjukebox 3 years ago
if madonna was using white supremacy to revamp her image, wouldn't it have been all over the place other than in response to 1 question in 1 interview? i was with her until that.
sluttymcgregor 3 years ago
yeah Bell Hooks is full of shit!
bette1908 3 years ago
You are the perfect example of a person who doesnt open their hearts and minds to the reality of things. It sucks that some people have been so absorbed by this system created by white male supremacists that they will never see anything beyond what the system wants them to see. Goodluck in life.
ldbordes 3 years ago
open my heart & mind to what? that Madonna is a racist? sorry, not buying it! i don't see what others want me to see, I see things very clearly for myself. And you are the one that needs luck in life. And please don't bother to respond back, I have no desire to discuss the issue with you
bette1908 3 years ago
Bette 1908 is a jobless goose steeping idiot.
BrickLaneBetty 3 years ago
and you are abig tittied air headed psychopathic bitch
bette1908 3 years ago 3
and as usual u have proven yourself to be nothing more than 2 faced
bette1908 3 years ago
No, I'm right here without hiding and I just can't believe how you still have no personal opinions of your own. sorry to break it to you but I'm not the only one who thinks your icon who can never maintain a happy loving relationship is 100% worthless. Too bad, if she's been riding her husband instead of that horse she might still be married. But it's all his fault right? of course. I'm glad I'm a fan that actually questions my icons and not just nods and agrees with the media.
BrickLaneBetty 3 years ago
i do have opinions, u just cant see past your own to realize that & u obviously wont be happy until i find something to criticize Madonna for. As for Guy, yes he is partly to blame. he was 50% of the marriage & he chose to marry an ambitious woman. he didnt seem to mind walking away with some of her cash. they're both at fault but thats their business. if u dont like her, dont listen to her, dont buy her cd's, & dont go to her shows, but stop coming down on her fans just because u HATE HER!
bette1908 3 years ago
i agree with that, these haters are so boring, madonna is the greatest and that's all there is to it, yes i love madonna, i'm not gay either before i get all that crap again.
ilovegmks 3 years ago
LOL. i am. btw, have u seen some of these other comments from people like "fionalawsonstalksme", "gaymenwhohatemadonna", "freeguyritchie", "felinekittyjukebox", & others? they are all the same damn person, & i will give u 1 guess who it is
bette1908 3 years ago
it dosen't matter to me if you are, i hope that didn't come across that way lol!!i've had so many comments implying that i'm gay because i like madonna and they've not been very pleasent, i know they're all the same person, it's the same old crap time and time again, it seems to be taken out of all context, as regards to race, white people are not the only ones guilty of being racist, i'm sure it comes from blacks against whites too. i hate racism, i hate homophobia, i hate all hate!!
ilovegmks 3 years ago
yeah its SUPERAMANDA aka BRICKLANEBETTY. her real name is amanda casabianca. if u google her real name u will see that she is all over the place. she even tried to start a petition to keep Madonna out of the Rock 'n Roll hall of fame.i try not to be too hard on her because if u talk about equality for gays she is 100% for it. for that reason i always try to respect her opinions, even tho she doesnt seem to show me the same courtesy. i think on some level she & i love to argue with each other.
bette1908 3 years ago
I thought he walked away with that huge Cecil Beaton estate and therefore that meant cash but only beacuse she did not want it and there was quickie division of assets. I have been in the UK for the whole thing and I heard him make no statements.The story she told the press was that he turned her back on her after the horseback rising accident which is sad if it's true .
BrickLaneBetty 3 years ago 3
u might wanna sit down, because I'm gonna criticize Madonna. Her biggest problem is she NEVER stops. i think with her drive to succeed + not wanting to let her anyone down she may have lost sight of whats really important to her. she has cut 2 albums & gone on 2 world tours in the span of 2 years. THAT'S WAY TOO MUCH! it probably took its toll on the marriage. i lay most of the blame on that. by now she has earned the right to take a break. if i we're her i would. a true fan would understand
bette1908 3 years ago
plus adopting another child & making that horrible movie in between probably took away from "Guy & Madonna" time ( sorry Madonna, I do hate ur movies, but unless its an old black & white from the 30's, 40's, or 50's, i don't have time for movies anyway, except for a few
bette1908 3 years ago
I think all her fans feel that way, what is sad is that six months off would be nothing as far as her fame is concerned, even a year.The media would wonder and it would prove to be another event! what's sad about Guy is that he would have tried to save it, British men do that, they rarely get divorced if they have young kids.
BrickLaneBetty 3 years ago
yeah if she even thought about laying low for an indefinite amount of timethe paparazzi no doubt would start prying. maybe thats why she was considering buying the Onassis island a few years ago, to get some peace
bette1908 3 years ago
You should be shot through the head, you are fucking waste of life.
felinekittyjukebox 3 years ago
i don't take kindly to threats. i'm reporting you to youtube
bette1908 3 years ago
Guess you missed the second half of the walk where it talks about power being hidden by other things. And this is amusing, since so many seem to think this is only about racism and totally pass over the sexism bit, which was the main focus to start with.
theveryslyfox 3 years ago
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buttstankamanda 3 years ago 5
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lol lol
LinoNoah 3 years ago 5
And around this era, the Cross-dressing black basketball player Dennis Rodman wrote his pathetic kiss and tell book "Bad As I Wanna Be/Walk On The Wild Side" where he dedicated a WHOLE (fictional) chapter about Madonna, really shitting on her and talking of their sex life. Even then she never argued back in a racist way, she called him a 'snake'. Now youre gonna tell me a snake is a racist name? Fuck off. He is/was a snake.
LinoNoah 3 years ago
and quit messaging me in private 'fionawilson..bla bla' cause im not interested in reading your weird messages. You are a Freak. Im quite comfortable in my own skin, im not too tall, but like madonna and most others on here, im human. You need to get a life mate. Move on.
LinoNoah 3 years ago
And you should stop dissing the gay men on this site if you dont agree with prejudice and racism as you so say.. you are a fucking hypocrite. I can imagine that your mother was most probably a crack whore and maybe her boyfriends messed with you did they? cause you got serious issues pal.
LinoNoah 3 years ago
madonna is NOT fucking racist. Get a life. Thats been written uncorrectly.. Everyone knows that she is not a racist, she LOVES blacks. She has been with black men and now has a black adopted baby. What other rich stars go and adopt a black baby? get real here. Racism works both ways. But madonna is no way racist.
LinoNoah 3 years ago
the thing madonna said is not is not racist at all...she doesn't talk about the black race, she talks about the male figure (in black cuture) and his attitude towards the female, white or black female...its not a racial statement but a cultural statement
karimme 3 years ago
black people are the FIRST to cry racism, their best palying card. Get a fucking life, you yourselves have the hang up. Madonna a racist?? do me a favor.
LinoNoah 3 years ago
Oh shut up you ugly hag you are the classic racist Madonna fan FUCK OFF AND DIE YOU STUPID CUNT.
fionalawsonstalksme 3 years ago 2
how can i be racist when im not even fucking english myself, you fool. I just dont get what you mean that she's racist when has had many black lovers and wanted Dennis Rodmans baby??? and then in Like A Prayer she made the saint figure be a black man.. then.. later she adopts a black son.. so????? i dont get you. I think youre the one who has all the hate issues.
LinoNoah 3 years ago
OH PLEASE You cand still beat them up. Grow a brain or take psych 101. Black men and boys are props for madonna
fionalawsonstalksme 3 years ago 2
same to u BITCH!!
bette1908 3 years ago
Even if Haeckel claimed to be a scientist and not a politician, his words were politically intended. Haeckel declared very explicitly that Darwinism was not compatible with socialism. The root for the brilliantly frightening philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche lies in Haeckels horrific ideas. One should honor the fate that says to the weak `Die.
BrickLaneBetty 3 years ago
Ernst Haeckel,a German biologist,simplified and brutalized Darwins biologicalideas. Haeckels language and thinking are absolutely nauseating from a contemporary perspective. The cruel and merciless `struggle for life raging everywhere in living nature, this ceaseless and inexorable competition of all living things, is an undeniable fact. Only the select minority of the favored diligent can happily survive this rivalry while the great majority of competitors must necessarily die miserably.
BrickLaneBetty 3 years ago
A man named Friedrich Nietzsche was the founder of the "God is dead" fame adapted Darwin's ideas and came up with a "superman" or "super-race" philosophy. The idea of natural selection was taken a step farther by Nietzsche. He suggested that welfare, eugenics, and merciless extinction of inferior race was appropriate. Friedrich Nietzsche later went insane.
BrickLaneBetty 3 years ago
You claim Friedrich Nietzsche and his original work has NOTHING to do and no association with 19th century reinterpretation and/or interpretation of Darwinism in regards to Sociology.
You are wrong according to every source out there unless you can prove otherwise.
BrickLaneBetty 3 years ago
Wow, you're so ignorant, that it's hard to believe. Nietzsche got most of his ideas from Schopenhauer, NOT Darwin!
MacoutesGabber 2 years ago
I said gross 19th century misinterpretation of Darwin.
Anyway. madonna is not an Uberwoman, she's too physically small.
-Super Amanda
BrickLaneBetty 2 years ago
@BrickLaneBetty Cheers
SandrineSoprano 1 year ago
SHE IS DOING THIS FOR MONEY?
Youre not making ANY sense at all. What does she care whether she has a few millions more or less?
Truth is that she's always been a feminist. When she was 17 she REFUSED to shave her legs, do her eyebrows, shave her armpits, or wear makeup. Do you think she did that back then to get "publicity" to get attention to get money?
shyci 3 years ago
FEMINISM has nothing TO DO WITH HOW YOU LOOK! stop buying the madonna80's Reagan media sanctioned brain feed &think for yourself.
"Do you think she did that back then to get "publicity" to get attention to get money?"
OF COURSE! M is 100% AVERAGE and could not stand out in and of herself. Feminism is many things but women hurting other women is not one of them that's what madonna has always done; hurt, ripped off the ideas &stepped on other women until she became to old to get away with it.
BrickLaneBetty 3 years ago
Well I guess many people need a way to waste their time or get their fifteen minutes of fame. And unfortunately most of them use it to mad-mouth other people in order to feel good about themselves.
People are just afraid of strong women.
shyci 3 years ago
No, that's the media's "preprogrammed madonna defense response." I'm VERY strong as is hooks and madonna is a wimpy and scared woman to me. She symbolizes a very short, small desperate women dying to cling to her unhappy husband and desperately use her mother's death as an excuse for greed. that's not STRONG that's desperate. people don't like madonna because she has been mean and vulgar and when they hear her pretentiously tempting to squawk about Africa it feels false and surreptitious.
BrickLaneBetty 3 years ago
Who's afraid of women, strong or not? Besides she's just stupid JEALOUS woman. She puts word s in Madonna's mouth.
evelsteev 3 years ago
Have you ever read the interview verbatim?
BrickLaneBetty 3 years ago
shes putting words in Madonna's mouth (alogside all that cock :) by saying that she said "black men are primitive"
When in fact, if you read the higlighted quote, it says. "by the black men I've dated." Meaning in HER
subjective experience. bell hooks is just jealous because Madonna is getting black men, and she aint gettin SHIT.
evelsteev 3 years ago
No she's not,Belle hooks is correct mandonna has surrounded herself with blacks as props and she uses David Banda as one. Those comments, had they been said in the era of the internet, would have caused a Don Imus furor but as most of Madonna's friends ARE the media her fans are very racist white and Latino gay men willing to eat her feces she would have of course sailed through.
BrickLaneBetty 3 years ago
Yes she is. Have you ever fuckin' HOT-ass babe even complain once that she's hot??? It's only these lonely, portly women that have no social life.
evelsteev 3 years ago
haha "all that cock" she didn't fuck her husband for two years, bitch is sexless.
rickyleerobinson 3 years ago
who would want to fuck HIM?
bette1908 3 years ago
All I know is that Madonna has a GREAT ass. That's all I'm concerned with.
evelsteev 3 years ago
madonna has a flat ass, no hips, no waist delineation and almost no tits. unless you are into chicken hawks that's the worst ass ever.
BrickLaneBetty 3 years ago 2
I don't agree, she used to be a dancer, and at least has a dancer's body, which is WAY fuckin' more than I can say for ms. hooks over there.
evelsteev 3 years ago
It's not always about appearance for some people,I know that flies in the face of the Madonna effect where appearance is first, second and third priority but there are many out there who are just not into their appearance with the feelings you just laid out.Hook's as a Black woman was obviously very offended by madonna &whether we all say stupid shit or not, what madonna said SHOULD have caused an outcry. it's the media's fault along w/her fans who NEVER question Madonna's occasional stupidity.
BrickLaneBetty 3 years ago
I'm more offended by hooks' jealousy of her money, attention, and "power." This "outcry" you speak of, is no different than blacks calling whites "barbaric." She's hypocrite and needs to reds some Nietzsche. Real life, not finger-wagging.
evelsteev 3 years ago
"This "outcry" you speak of, is no different than blacks calling whites "barbaric."
That has nothing to do with an inarticulate nasty statement made by madonna.
Nietzsche? No, gross 19th century misinterpretation of Darwinism is not what Hooks or many leftist feminists are about about!
And while Hooks does overly intellectualized a very anti-intellectual media whore she is imply stating the facts and I'm not sure any "finger pointing" is going on.
-Super Amanda
BrickLaneBetty 3 years ago
"That has nothing to do with an inarticulate nasty statement made by madonna" She claimed Madonna used the term "primitive" in an interview.
What Nietzsche presents ISN"T a "misinterpretation" of Darwin, since Darwin wrote NOTHING about morality.
Hooks IS finger-wagging. She's basically complaining and not much else: "I fucked all those black men" etc. All hyprocrisy.
evelsteev 3 years ago
I suggest you read about SOCIAL DARWINISM which is exactly what I was implying re.Nietzsche .
To use the term Darwinism is misbegotten true but that's exactly what Nietzsche, Galton and Herbert Spencer did in their gross 19th century misinterpretation which applied the law of the survival of the fittest to society and in which many ways jibes with the Reagan/80's hangover that is madonna but once again that's giving her too much credit.
BrickLaneBetty 3 years ago
Name one book Nietzsche wrote regarding "Social Darwinism". Darwin wrote about biology and natural selection, NOT about human society. Get your facts straight, please.
evelsteev 3 years ago
I have MY facts straight you don't know your Nietzsche and have bought into the generic Hitler nationalist view of him as embraced by Hitler and post modernism or we agree to disagree.
"Darwin wrote about biology and natural selection, NOT about human society. "
YES AND THAT WAS reinterpreted (or misinterpreted and misappropriated) into SOCIOLOGY by the people I mentioned below anyone with bachelor's degree should know THAT! THAT'S FIRST GRADE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED!
BrickLaneBetty 3 years ago
I'm not talking about what OTHERS have said about Nietzsche but what HE, THE WRITER himself wrote. Again, get your horrible facts straight.
(one more time, Nietzsche has nothing to do with Darwin!)
evelsteev 3 years ago
From Wikipedia: Friedrich Nietzsche Influenced by Dostoevsky, Emerson, Goethe, Kant, Plato, La Rochefoucauld, Schopenhauer, Pascal, Wagner, DARWIN, Burckhardt, Stendhal, Spinoza
BrickLaneBetty 3 years ago 2
Fuck Wikipedia. It's written by contributers, not published scholars. Again, your sources are weak. And besides, what does your bullshit Darwin/Nietzsche have to do with hook's finger-wagging?
evelsteev 3 years ago
You are so wrong and can't admit and that's ok, if i was a madonna defender sticking up for the worst physical symmetry, smallest bust and anti amazon body known to modern man, I would not want to be beaten by Super Amanda and her big jugs and brains either.
My sources aren't weak and you are not hearing what I'm saying. i hate wiki too but FN WAS HUGELY INFLUENCED BY DARWIN! INFLUENCED!
Example: many so called Christians misuse the teachings in the bible, that is what FN did with Darwin.
BrickLaneBetty 3 years ago
I'm not wrong. You can't quote a book Nietzsche wrote that speaks of Dawrin. Again, I don't care what OTHERS say about Nietzsche, I'm referring to what he ACTUALLY said. It must suck being slow.
evelsteev 3 years ago
Besides, YOU'RE the one saying that socialism is the end-all, be-all solution for everything. Shows how much you know.
evelsteev 3 years ago
Nietzsche DOES speak of him are you blind, have you only read half of one of his books or ANY? Or is he just a name you drop as Vadge drops names like Goddard and Mahler and doesn't know shit about what she's talking about?
SLOW? As for getting personal, in Nietzsche's world I would crush you like a fucking grape. Why the hell do you think I'm Super Amanda? I'm taller , better proportioned, younger and stronger and healthier than you all because of genetics.
BrickLaneBetty 3 years ago
And one of the reasons I don't like FN is that all women ultimately have shelf lifes that expire including me and definitely mandonna who is been expired for at least a decade despite copious injects of hydrogenated oil. hooks is exempt because she never bought in and in some ways more powerful than all three of us.
BrickLaneBetty 3 years ago
Okay, since you're clearly, slow. I'm going to repeat it once more: Darwin...never...spoke..about...the.. topic.. of...MORALITY. Nietzsche DID! Christ! One more time in case you're chewing gun WAY too hard.Nietzsche spoke about morality, Darwin DID NOOOOOT. Name one book where Darwin spoke about morality. I didn't think this would be hard to understand! Man.
evelsteev 3 years ago
I never said that I was defending Socialism or even putting down Nietzsche I was speaking for hooks and other leftist feminists who has made her views clear.
I'm an old world Italian anti-materialist,semi Nihilistic, radical leftist breast fetishist.
BrickLaneBetty 3 years ago
Fuck bell hooks and the horse she rode in on. Identifying the "problems" and complaining, by espousing social "awareness" just like another Utopian Noam Chomsky, is doing nothing more than pointing out the "ugliness" of humanity. Funny, Nietzsche, did the exact same thing, but clearly more realistically.
evelsteev 3 years ago
I agree I can't here this shit another time, madonna is not worth the importance.
How I understand it is that FN and friends REINTERPRETED DARWIN'S theories and APPLIED MORALITY to them.
BrickLaneBetty 3 years ago
Wrong, he interpreted HOMERIC (you know, ancient Greek texts)values, NOT Dawrin. Based on strength, superiority in the civilization. Again, Darwin was NOT a moralist!!!!!
evelsteev 3 years ago
I think Amanda knows who the fuck Homer was, she could name over 300 classic Greek writers and mythological figure before she was ten while her classmates could barely read.what you're unable to accept is that Nietzsche was a Social Darwinist to a certain extent even if Charles Darwin himself was not and Amanda meticulously explained that to you.
Frederich Nietzsche did not understand classical Greek scholars along with his own cock,he remains a kitsch figure strictly for pseudo intellectuals.
fionalawsonstalksme 3 years ago
Nietzsche was a Greek Philologist, the very epitome of a ancient Greek Scholar
Please, the adults are talking here.
evelsteev 3 years ago
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how the hell would u know what amanda could do by the time she was 10 unless u are her? answer that u big mouthed shit eating cunt
bette1908 3 years ago
YOU said that Hooks needs to read FN and I assure you any leftist feminist is way beyond or not into that outdated gross 19th century misinterpretation of DARWIN crap just like Ayn Rand another sacred cow of 10 cent intellects repels many who figured out her generic shtick in the 9th grade when they rad The fountain head.. Ann Coulter embraces that shit yes, but bell hooks no.
You are in over your head!
BrickLaneBetty 3 years ago
all i know is that MADONNA will be here in denver in november & i plan on being front row center
bette1908 3 years ago
This whore needs so shut the fuck up! She is only saying that crap about Madonna cuz her lonley ass wants attention!
MadonnaAddict360 3 years ago
just loving the fact queen madonna is number one in the uk, europe and the world chart, breaking both records, she held herself, stick that in your pipe and smoke it, hopefully be seeing my beloved madge in may!!
ilovegmks 3 years ago
Madonna is a commodity. pure in simple, and in the most degraded and dilapidated kind of way. I am 19, and the mass consumer emphasis on sex is just annoying. Okay, we have received the message. Let's get to some real details. Madonna praises herself and represents a vague type of politics. I do not think she is racist at all, but I do think her comments in the article have the potential to perpetuate a racial generalization which is inherently racist.
BoysForPele1989 3 years ago 3