Its the atmosphere in this game, its so...special. The story may be simple...but u have to have the right attitude to play this game, dont expect it to be something like baldurs gate 2
@escopeteroce I understand you... Nevertheless, I'm not mixing both games! You are right: Icewind Dale is a classic, but Skyrim is not an overrated (well, I won't say it is the best RPG ever, Icewind Dale, Baldur's gate and Planescape Torment are still played today, Skyrim won't be in a few years), I just wanted to express the very manly shout everyone dreams to throw in a wild and cold storm at the top of a mythic mountain (either the Hrotghar mountain, either the Spine Of the World).
The music is the thing that stands out the most for me when I remember playing IWD. That openeing music is just epic from start to finish and the thing that it really did well was the boss at the end. Jesus, that guy was insanely hard.
There's nothing like 0:55 to get me ready for an adventure of a lifetime! I loved this game to bits, the environments, the lore, the little tales written on the books that lay on the shelves of the Severed Hand and other places...
@Talonnz1 In the grand scheme of things, IWD was amongst the bottom of the infinity engine games. The whole create your party thing was nice, but story wise, Torment blew it out of the water. Gameplay wise, Baldurs Gate 1&2 did.
IWD's main thing going for it was as above, the party creation and when you think on it... This stopped interesting character development, like that Xzar and Jaheira etc.
A good enough game, but by no means a comparison imo :)
@enderfild Amen. Some devs should definately make some old school infinity engine rpgs.. There are many ppl who would buy this. ID and BG are way better than all of the todays Rpg's
@IMDBmoderator That's a big assumption seeing as the game hasn't even been released to the public yet. I have high hopes for that game, but I don't think anything will ever be as good as the Baldur's Gate games especially when you have the music of Soule to back it up.
@bobonlan when i had this game in the first time the music always looped but in the later years it didn't more. :/ I totally agree with you man. And from 0:55 i always was at the voice choosing part "HUAAAAAHHHRRRRRR!!!" :) fukin epic!
@WahookaTheGoblinKing Never having played a "proper" P&P D&D game I wouldn't know how well in comparison the D&D rules work in the IE games. But as far as "real-time" gameplay is concerned, the IE games were not really intended to be played in real-time anyway, even though it's an option.
I like ALL the character classes. Having a varied party of six members is another thing which makes the IE games so much more interesting and tactically challenging than, e.g. Oblivion.
@zarakhast I find Bethesda games entirely separate from Bioware. Bioware/Black Isle focussed on in depth worlds with deep storylines. Bethesda focused on large sprawling free form words, with a basic, but good story.
Both great in their own right.
In terms of P&P D&D, I feel it came across very well. Sure, you only seemed to get 1 attack per round, but in D&D, until you hit a certain level, you only had 1 attack anyway. That'd be my argument against Wahooka.
@Grigeral I also agree with what you say about Bethesda games, to an extent. I like Oblivion & Morrowind. It's obvious that Bethesda weren't merely trying to make money - they actually wanted to make amazing fantasy games, and they succeeded - sort of. For me, though, the IE games are better in several respects, two of which are their use of D&D rules and the six party members. Also, the Forgotten Realms was such an amazingly rich world (historically) already.
Oh dear, didn't mean to post the last half-sentence !
It's hard for me to sum up why I think the IE games are superior to the (admirable) Elder Scroll games, because there are so many things to consider.
D&D rules - hateful though they strangely are to so many people - have a kind of symmetry and beauty to them which other, homespun, rule systems don't. Also, party-based combat is far more interesting.
Depth : the writers of the IE games truly had it imo. Not so sure about Bethesda.
@Grigeral Ultimately, whether you can successfully analyse what made a game good or bad, what matters is the feeling it leaves you with. For me, Oblivion is something I will probably go back to many times - but I'll probably never complete it. Why ? Because it's too repetitive : too many Oblivion gates for one thing. Awe usually gives way to boredom when I'm playing Oblivion, in spite of the fact that I'm pretty patient. This is not helped by the rather primitive combat.
@GergelyVideoi "THACO" which is from AD&D(Advanced Dungeons & Dragons), stands for To Hit Armor Class 0. In games like Icewind Dale and Baldur's Gate which run off of AD&D rules, having a lower armor class is better. See the link I posted if you want to read more into it. I've been playing D&D for years.
Average age of 30? Load of nonsense, the average age of gamers is probably around 15-16 (possibly lower) due to the massive console market. Games are so expensive to create nowadays that they have to sell to a large audience and we all know what happened to Black Isle.
Personally I feel very privaledged to have grown up with games like BG, we were in a golden age of gaming back in the late 90's and early 2000s. I still remember being fucking hyped about Morrowind and its 3d gameworld...
Thats because they dont know Baldurs Gate 2.^^ If they did, they would concur that BG2 (including ToB ofc) is the best western RPG ever made by men. Period.
That's common believe, but my experience is different (grew up late 80's and for me golden age of gaming is late 90's as it was for a lot of other digital media)
Point is: Content changed. Late 70/80' games were about experimenting with innovative gameplay, generally by pioneers in computer sciences.
Up to the late 90's pioneers of other arts discovered the turf, i.e. storytellers.
Late 00's are just about pipelines, marketing and competition. No space for true relation I believe.
@rlilewis What do you think happened to those gamers who played Pac-Man, International Karate, Last Ninja and Super Mario Bros when they were hot? Did they just quit? Many surveys indicate that the average mmorpg player is around 30-35 so... :p
If the final form of every game is going to be dictated by how many copies it might sell in a short space of time (i.e. with an eye on big and instant profits) then we are going to end up with games tailor-made for a mass audience end, and therefore average games. What a pathetic age this is if people can't think any differently ! How shortsighted can you get ???
When the first BG came out (1998 ?) computer gaming was still a minority hobby but very much a growing one. To be a gamer then was to be a bit of an outsider. To a certain extent that is still the case, but nowhere near as much as it was. The average age of the gamer is about 30 now, or so I've read. All this is in a way good for gaming. But it is also bad, because it means that, given the way economics operates, Joe Average dictates what games we get. And I am staunchly apolitical btw.
And since this is a video tribute to Icewind Dale : awesome game. Engrossing plot. Beautiful artwork. Entrancing music. Takes you from this humdrum world and transports you to another, much better and more beautiful place. And not in the least bit dumbed-down either.
@edab85 Most likely in my view it will be the latter. But it will no doubt be praised by its legion of fans (they will be readying their speeches even now) as a nostalgic return to the spirit of the original, whereas in reality it will be yet another compromise, targeted at the largest audience possible. I wonder whether Dragon Age 3 will be a Doom-style first-person shooter ?
@edab85 Yes that's what I've heard too, although I haven't played DA 1 yet, beyond the opening bit ("The Harrowing"). In any case, DA:O is by most accounts essentially a dumbed-down version of Baldur's Gate, even if it is a decent RPG in its own right. I suppose it was always inevitable once gaming became an almost universal pastime that games would start being designed with the "masses" in mind, because that's where the profit lies. I can acknowledge this fact but I don't have to like it :)
@zarakhast DA:O is dumbed-down, but DAII is even worse. You guys tried the Drakensang series by the way (based on the Dark Eye pen and paper)?? Also, this might be unrelated but I am really enjoying the Witcher series... even though the second part is really action packed the engine is so beautifully made and the storyline is really captivating too up to now. But yes, I miss the old-school roleplaying elements and the fucking pause button/tactical combat. :)
@eangelos89 The witcher II is hilarious. I'm watching Lewis play from the Yogcast, and it's quite funny. All the nudity! Geralt is a horny witcher! Hilarious.
Profit, that's all publishers care about. Cases in point :
1. Civ 5 (dumbed-down version of Civ 4)
2. Dragon Age (dumbed-down version of BG)
3. Supreme Commander 2 (dumbed-down version of SC1)
4. Bioshock 2 (dumbed-down version of Bioshock1)
And many, many more.
It's not that makers of games lack the ability to write genuinely good stuff, it's that they're just mercenary sheep : predictably aiming at making money rather than achieving something special. They make me puke.
Modern game writers are talentless, soulless mercenaries. Their attitude STINKS. They're just in it for the profit. They start off as idealistic and artistically ambitious but soon learn the ropes and before you know it they are conning you left, right and centre. All they care about is your cash and how to get it. That's why you now have to buy umpteen (small and crap) expansion packs when originally you only had to buy one. Their cheek knows no bounds. They deserve a good old-fashioned beating
@zarakhast I have to agree but only to some extent, what i mean is that while the western market sucks, there are many talented game developers like Kinoko Nasu (Type moon) or Jun Maeda that are very talented writers, but they write games that are not popular out of the VN niche. Have you ever played CLANNAD or FATE/Stay night?, Kanon? Planetarian? Ever 17? those games are called Visual novels and rely only in their storylines to appeal. Their market is huge in Japan but not here in the west.
@TPOver9000 The Western market "sucks" ? You're probably right. Or at least it has ENDED UP sucking. The IE games certainly didn't suck and for a while (before gaming became a popular pastime) Western games were things of beauty. The word "market" is very appropriate. As gaming has become more common and "normal" games have been tailored to suit the tastes of the majority. And the majority is just so f*cking boring. I believe what you say about Japan, but I want Western games !
@zarakhast Lol yea i know, sorry if i implied that the western games always were this bad, since english is not my first leanguaje, im a core gamer and i played games since i was six so i have played many games and many rpgs since eye of the beholder or the ishar series. Games this days lack of soul, but my point is that if you look around there are great games to be enjoyed even now. Games are a market and until gamers grow up, games will target the same narrow mentality, they have to make $.
@TPOver9000 "Leanguaje" - lol ! I enjoy deliberate silliness.
I like your synopsis and its optimism but I have my doubts. Will "the masses" ever become "deeper" ? You seem to imply that it is just a case of "growing up" (i.e. getting older). But in my experience, getting older has nothing to do with becoming deeper or more imaginative. My view is bleaker : aim at the majority and you will get averageness every time.
@TPOver9000 Of course publishers and developers (their lackeys and puppets) have to make a living. But if all they aim at is survival (of the company) and profit then that may (or may not) end up being okay for them, but the gamer will keep being fed rubbish. And that is how it is now. Unfortunately what this means is that there will be no great games while this kind of thinking prevails, unless some rich benefactor decides to make a great game because he wants and can afford to do so.
Dumbing-down is the general trend. I don't need to be a disillusioned "oldie" to claim this. Look at Civ 5 : amazing review scores (to get you to buy it) from the critics, but listen to the gamers' point of view : shallow, simplified, dumbed-down crap. Just look at the discrepancy between the critics' score and the users' score on metacritic. And read just one of the users' reviews : it's an honest point of view. You can't trust the critics any more. They're all in it for the money.
@zarakhast With regards to your piece on the 'dumbing down' of games, the manuals are proof of this...
I loved getting old games with their enormous manuals. BG, BG2, X-Com Enemy Unknown, Terror From the Deep etc... They have manuals some 200-300 pages long, which you had fun reading.
Now, you're lucky if you get 3-5 pages, most of which being warnings, controls and an idiots guide of how to put the game in...
Without the large manuals, you miss out on 50% of the experience imo.
@Grigeral I agree wholeheartedly. I've still got my original Alpha Centauri manual - it's like War And Peace !
It used to be a pleasure to buy a game, install it without playing it yet and then take the manual to bed to read. Nowadays there's not much to read. Care was taken in the writing of manuals to set up the atmosphere of the game, as well as to tell you how to play it - without, however, giving too much away.
X-Com - now there's another atmospheric masterpiece !
@Grigeral As for Morrowind, I've never come across a more unwieldy inventory system. How many slightly different potions is it possible to accumulate, and how fiddly is it to find the right one to use ? Both Morrowind and Oblivion have pretty woeful inventory / spell systems.
The Bethesda games are flawed masterpieces in my book, with the emphasis on the flaws. The IE games are easily playable, deeper, more complex and polished in every respect. A hard act to follow.
@zarakhast I agree 100%. I love Bethesda games, but I love them for completely different reasons.
IE games are 100% better for deep story and character development, but they lack in other area's. Such as Oblivions ability to choose direction, walk that way and encounter several things you never saw before.
That is where I feel Bethesda excel. Their worlds (to me) seem more real, or at least more continual.
@zarakhast Black Isle now being Obsidian (or at least the better parts of Black Isle), well... Some of it is still worthwhile.
Some will say how they hate NWN, personally, I loved NWN (I & II), but I thought the story was great. The expansions, less so, but still...
I see it this way... In times starved of decent RPG's, beggars can't be choosers lol. I've never found myself thinking "My god... I wasted my money" with either company, so for me, that is enough :).
D&D rules RULE. Ever since RPGs have not been based on them RPGs have failed. If you don't have an intelligent rule-system then you're not going to have a very good game either - regardless of how pretty you might make a game look. On top of that you need writers who are not only good at computer logic but who actually have some SOULS. We can clearly see that this ceased to be the case when Neverwinter Nights hit the shelves. You also need an audience which isn't a COMPLETE SET OF AIRHEADS.
@GeekMaster42 No, wrong. The IE games are all good. Admittedly, the IWDs did away with the "player character" and let you create all six party members yourself, but they still had the excellent music, mood, , writing, atmosphere, combat, character development and general superbness which all the other IE games contained. And in terms of atmosphere the IWDs sometimes surpass even the other IE games. But all non-IE RPGs are, in comparison, rubbish.
Six party members : perfect. It's the ideal number. Any fewer and you start having to grant extra abilities to the ones who remain in order to compensate. Result = player character & NPCs become more generic. What's the point in choosing a class, race, alignment when your character is going to be a jack-of-all-trades in any case ? A VERY poor development. And 3 party members : so no more complex combat then ? Fine Why not throw in some shit writing as well ? And a lack of atmosphere ? Great !
The "story" in NWN might have been good or bad - but who could actually be bothered to finish it ? It was such a poor game in comparison with the IE games. The NWN games were an INSULT to what went before them : the IE games collectively. THREE party members - is that all we get ? So what kind of battles are we going to have ? Obviously very boring ones. So hopefully they've done something else to compensate ? But no, everything is worse. The decline began with NWN - and it continues ...
Oh man everyone is saying how the storylines of these old rpgs are the best compared to modern ones. Honestly what are they thinking? Ice Wind Dale's story was not more complex than say Neverwinter Nights (can't speak for Dragon Age because didn't play it). Its like how anyone claims the "past" is better because everything modern sucks. IceWind Dale was a great game but certainly not the best ever
@dragondisaster It's sentimentalities, if they are not yours, just ignore em. When I hear this music, my mind is flooded with lots of pleasant memories. I know that they are just pleasant because I was young at the time and video games like these were new and exciting, not because those games were the best ever.
Leave the memories of aging video gamers alone and just do what you do when your dad talks of old times, roll your eyes and don't listen.
@cire9984 That's total rubbish. RPGs have not improved since the last IE game (IWD2) and in fact have deteriorated in just about every respect. Your "pleasant memories" of the IWD music are almost an insult to the game if you don't think it was very good. Which games do you think are better - and why ? Are you just another one of the numpties who need better graphics all the time ? You dismiss the game as something which you liked when you were young but have now outgrown. Explain yourself !
Icewindale, the baldurs gate series and Planescape torment( the best of them imho) can beat the Sht out of any modern rpg like fallout 3 and oblivion. The story is the soul of any game.
@kiintlord Yeah, but I've heard that Planescape and Forgotten Realms are in the same Universe; not only only on the D&D, but also in some books in which they get related to each other. Forgotten Realms does talk about the different planes sometimes, anyways...
@Owneador1337 No bro. Sigil which is Planescape's main city stands at the center of the multiverse, at the center of the worlds. One of these worlds is Toril - Forgotten Realms' world. Think multiverse - multiple universes - planes.
@CallebAntichrist IceWind Dale and IceWind Dale 2 are hack and slash games made to lheook like rpgs. There is little to no character development and the alignment is a joke, You can do things against your alignment without penalty and I am sure people will do so to get more exp. They are still fun games but I will not call them proper rpgs.
i have played many rpg games since eye of the beholder II and the ishar series, but imho nothing beats Baldurs gate II and Chrono Trigger. Close to them i will say that a Tes morrowind whit heavy modifications will come in 3 place. And yes Morrowind has far more playtime than oblivion. Just a mod called the black mill has as much as playtime that oblivion. Sorry for my english. and tnx for the upload.
@pewpewzorz Yes, Morrowind was really better, because the game play was "open"! Oblivion game play is really restrict. Removing levitation was really bad. Making cities inside a "cube" was really bad. Also monsters at Oblivion were taking levels as you level :))). That makes the game fake! At Morrowind, if you were low level and you went in a place where high level monsters patrol, you would have no chance to face them...
@nmcobalt fake?? lol your funny. you mean a fantasy video game is unrealistic because of monsters lvling with you. Well i could offer up some explanation like if you can improve yourself, wouldn't it be more fake to say that they can't? after all they are part of that same evolving world too. I could say all that, but I think its much better to say that its a fantasy video game, which means that like all fantasy videogames, THEY ARE ALL ALREADY FAKE BECAUSE THEY ARE IMAGINARY. Get it???
@Demiurge13 Well apart from the gaming fantasy (which all games are fake, so what we are talk about...), there are games where you can find places which are really hard to survive, and places of lower level population. That is more immersive (mark this word), than just a game which everything leveling like you... Consider the following, if everything was equal all time with you, what the point of harder creatures? None, just the diff in sprite's appear... Have u ever played paper rpg? guess no
@WolfhoundMercenary Well thats not that important, if you have any kind of imagination what-so ever you can make do with your own role-playing. I mean isnt that what D&D is all about? (Please just tell me your going through the game with Tordall, Myrak, some imaginary name like that. Dont tell me your running around Faerun with Bladerunner, and Kickassdude... Because frankly that is SAD)
Speakng about my D&D, I run around with Ibram or Deithwen, what has those names to do anything with the fact that someone(like me) also prefers some flavour that enhances the experience during role-playing? :)
But hey, I see your point, taste differs, and I respect your opinion.
@ZerooOne1 Are u kidding me? I counted the whole gametime - prologue+ostagar = 2h, each treaty = 2h, both dlc = 2h, some side quest = bout 1h, and ending = 2h...altogether you get about 15 - 16 hours of gameplay... nothing compared to old rpg's...and the story is lame...like at the very beginning you know what to do and whom you will kill at the very end... very little armor and weapon skins, no depth in the storyline... only orazammar was nice...a big letdown, and they mark it as bg succesor:(
No matter how good an RPG is, it will never be as good as the first ones you played - i.e. BG1,2 , Planescape, IW...
The "nostalgia-factor" will always influence your opinion .Then we have the fact that BG2 is one of the best games that has ever been made.
But yes, DAO doesn't have the same "feel" to it. It is however one longest games I've ever played - it was a long time since there was a game which lasted more than 100 hours. I've played aprox. 120 but has only progressed 37% of it.
Lacking all the tactical options of Icewind Dale, DAO is simply boring in combat. The old Infinety Engine games are today as challenging and fun as in their time.
@d4rkavenger I haven't even played DA:O yet, though it's on my hard-drive waiting to be played. But that was exactly my fear : that without the D&D basis the game would lack the compelling challenge offered by the IE games. This is something I've always tried to stress : if you don't have a logical system in the background, governing both combat and character development, you will end up with an ultimately forgettable game, however good your graphics or your storyline are.
But at the same time, you will not get anywhere special without great imagination - whether that be visual or verbal. All the IE games had this. Superb dialogue : compare the dialogue in the NWN & Elder Scrolls games : laughable ! And who could really be bothered to follow the storylines of Morrowind, Oblivion or Neverwinter Nights (not that I finished NWN - it was too dull) ? D&D rules PLUS first-class writers & artists = recipe for success. Oblivion without mods = POOR.
dragon age is a good game, but its more like baldurs gate then icewind dale, since its more story related. but no, dragon age's music doesnt even come close imo, still an awesome game tho
im playing dragon age right now, and all i can tell you is that you cannot compare DA's music to BA or IWD. the main reason is that Inon Zur (while a very good composer) cannot for the life of him, match or try to match what Jeremy Soule has done. Zur with fallout3,DA, BA2 has been able to make a series of consistently good tracks with 1 or 2 in each game which Really stand out. I dont need to say anything positive about Soule since your talking to me on this video
I don't really agree, although the music and sfx haven't been improved much the storyline has been improved upon on several occasions, take Bioshock for example, or even dragon age: origins, they have great storylines.
@Xoid900 Um...no. DAO is far more complicated than BG or ID or the original Fallout games. If for nothing else it's a modern RPG made for modern consoles, 3d and all. As for the requisite of being a "better game"....I don't know. I had mixed feelings with DAO.
I said gameplay mechanics. And by gameplay mechanics I really mean abilities, gear, stats, battles and enemies.
DAO on the other hand has some amazing graphics at low CPU demand even at best, even better dialog system then Mass effect had and is a beast when it comes to the time necessary to complete it.
nostaliga ... This game was able to create a better atmosphere of fantasy, than Skyrim
snapbox7 6 hours ago
Its the atmosphere in this game, its so...special. The story may be simple...but u have to have the right attitude to play this game, dont expect it to be something like baldurs gate 2
Psykoosi86 6 days ago
I always thought this game was kind of generic and boring but that might be because I played Planescape: Torment and Dragon Age: Origins before it
Halberd96 1 week ago
I really wish they would make games like this again. I liked how they used voice acting only for the important people/lines.
megamakbladespirit 3 weeks ago
0:55 FUS RO DAH !
Ehrsam666 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
@Ehrsam666 Please, don't mix overrated games with classic ones.
escopeteroce 3 weeks ago in playlist Favorite videos
@escopeteroce I understand you... Nevertheless, I'm not mixing both games! You are right: Icewind Dale is a classic, but Skyrim is not an overrated (well, I won't say it is the best RPG ever, Icewind Dale, Baldur's gate and Planescape Torment are still played today, Skyrim won't be in a few years), I just wanted to express the very manly shout everyone dreams to throw in a wild and cold storm at the top of a mythic mountain (either the Hrotghar mountain, either the Spine Of the World).
Ehrsam666 3 weeks ago
Worst decision in the game: not having this loop.
Felsmukk 2 months ago 2
Icewind Dale is a criminally underrated masterpiece!
deadfishy666 3 months ago 5
Jeremy Soule is a god.
exorder2005 3 months ago
Composers have a god among them: Jeremy Soule!!!
MrNagelfar 4 months ago 2
The music is the thing that stands out the most for me when I remember playing IWD. That openeing music is just epic from start to finish and the thing that it really did well was the boss at the end. Jesus, that guy was insanely hard.
xxAcidcorExx 6 months ago
But you can never, ever fault the soundtracks. Nothing compares. <3
LadyAubrie 6 months ago
There's nothing like 0:55 to get me ready for an adventure of a lifetime! I loved this game to bits, the environments, the lore, the little tales written on the books that lay on the shelves of the Severed Hand and other places...
fiddlebender88 8 months ago 2
I was playing IWD last night... main they don't make RPGs as good or as hard as they did in the good old days lol
Talonnz1 8 months ago
@Talonnz1 In the grand scheme of things, IWD was amongst the bottom of the infinity engine games. The whole create your party thing was nice, but story wise, Torment blew it out of the water. Gameplay wise, Baldurs Gate 1&2 did.
IWD's main thing going for it was as above, the party creation and when you think on it... This stopped interesting character development, like that Xzar and Jaheira etc.
A good enough game, but by no means a comparison imo :)
Grigeral 7 months ago
@Grigeral Wasn't he comparing IWD to new RPGs? If so, why did you compare it to its peers? Not quite the same.
KnightOneDark 6 months ago
the best rpg I ve ever played, the story was fascinating ! Loved it
Onoufrios76 8 months ago
@Onoufrios76
Please... IWD is good but BG is light years ahead.
BTW, love this music ;)
FAButzke 8 months ago
@FAButzke It was my first contact with rpgs so mainly its sentimental reason! Yes BG is best by far! I really miss those days...
Onoufrios76 8 months ago
@Onoufrios76
I know what you mean. And I love IWD too. Good old times... =/
FAButzke 8 months ago
I've never played IWD, but 0:55 is a good enough reason as any.
SteamGrace 9 months ago 2
PLAY BENEATH THE ALL SEEING GAZE
OF AN ALL POWERFUL DUNGEON MASTER
A HUMAN MIND
THERE TO BREATHE LIFE INTO EVERY ASPECT OF YOUR UNFOLDING TALE
SteamGrace 9 months ago 3
0:55 EPIC
it's time to save the world !
MonsieurCeinturon 9 months ago
3D sucks !! I want return of the old RPGS !
enderfild 9 months ago 74
@enderfild Amen. Some devs should definately make some old school infinity engine rpgs.. There are many ppl who would buy this. ID and BG are way better than all of the todays Rpg's
Yggdra666 9 months ago
2 people wouldn't know a good RPG if it hit them in the face!
ElbowBlades 9 months ago 2
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Zenuen 10 months ago
Planescape: Torment
JackOFBlades111 11 months ago 4
Great game, prefer Baldurs Gate as this was more focused on battles, but still ace.
lshaw17 11 months ago
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DRAGON AGE 2 - THE GREATEST GAME OF ALL TIME!
IMDBmoderator 11 months ago
@IMDBmoderator That's a big assumption seeing as the game hasn't even been released to the public yet. I have high hopes for that game, but I don't think anything will ever be as good as the Baldur's Gate games especially when you have the music of Soule to back it up.
PulseGamer37 11 months ago
@IMDBmoderator 0/10.
veipper 10 months ago
@IMDBmoderator
Um, no. Baldur's Gate, and maybe Icewind Dale, are the greatest games of all time...
LSPandemonium 10 months ago
@LSPandemonium My fanboyism got the better of me. I was actually bitterly disappointed with DA2.
IMDBmoderator 10 months ago
@IMDBmoderator
Hahaha Nice Joke man
MonsieurCeinturon 8 months ago
"John Williams of video game music"*
* from wikipedia
ozgunguner 1 year ago
Am I the only annoyed that this music doesn't repeat in the main menu? Seriously, i want to hear this while I'm creating all my characters.
bobonlan 1 year ago 68
@bobonlan oh damn YES, i had to rip it from somewhere, to play it with winamp or whatever i had at that time :D
Mathrigo666 11 months ago
@bobonlan yea it plays once and stops :P I agree
RiseofBane 7 months ago
@bobonlan haha I know the feeling man, i know the feeling.
exorder2005 3 months ago
@bobonlan when i had this game in the first time the music always looped but in the later years it didn't more. :/ I totally agree with you man. And from 0:55 i always was at the voice choosing part "HUAAAAAHHHRRRRRR!!!" :) fukin epic!
Advantix3ple 3 months ago
Way. Too. Short.
(always ended when i was creating my char, rolling for Stat Points) Argh!
Nhordmyr 1 year ago
Slacker cats takes place in windall makes me think of this game lol.
Lugnutsthebobcat 1 year ago
This music always makes me feel good. To me it's saying "Get ready for an adventure! Go all the way and someday bards will sing of your heroic tale!"
fiddlebender88 1 year ago
Which game should I get? I want to try one of these. Or a suggestion? Let me know all info please.
Lionheart: Legacy of the Crusader
Planescape: Torment
Icewind Dale
Neverwinter Nights
Biake22 1 year ago
@Biake22
I'd go for Planescape Torment...
TheMordag 1 year ago 3
@Biake22
this was from five days ago so I'm sure you already chose
but just in case go for Planescape Torment lol
thehumanbirdie 1 year ago
@Biake22 Torment makes the rest seem pale!
Strange and unique story(!). Legendary, epic, and awesome.
Although it takes some time to "get it".
But I am biased, Torment is the best game I've played.
taz0k2 1 year ago 6
D&D badly translate in real-time gaming.
Longer turns makes characters idling in for way too long. (fast turns would make game way too hard)
Hit rolls cannot tell if they fail because of armor or dexterity bonus or anything else, resulting in characters swinging in air like idiots.
Melee characters are way too bland compared to spellcasters, it's like they're just attacking once per turn and you switch stance.
Don't get me wrong, these games were great, but gameplay was not perfect.
WahookaTheGoblinKing 1 year ago
@WahookaTheGoblinKing Never having played a "proper" P&P D&D game I wouldn't know how well in comparison the D&D rules work in the IE games. But as far as "real-time" gameplay is concerned, the IE games were not really intended to be played in real-time anyway, even though it's an option.
I like ALL the character classes. Having a varied party of six members is another thing which makes the IE games so much more interesting and tactically challenging than, e.g. Oblivion.
zarakhast 1 year ago
@zarakhast I find Bethesda games entirely separate from Bioware. Bioware/Black Isle focussed on in depth worlds with deep storylines. Bethesda focused on large sprawling free form words, with a basic, but good story.
Both great in their own right.
In terms of P&P D&D, I feel it came across very well. Sure, you only seemed to get 1 attack per round, but in D&D, until you hit a certain level, you only had 1 attack anyway. That'd be my argument against Wahooka.
Grigeral 1 year ago
@Grigeral I also agree with what you say about Bethesda games, to an extent. I like Oblivion & Morrowind. It's obvious that Bethesda weren't merely trying to make money - they actually wanted to make amazing fantasy games, and they succeeded - sort of. For me, though, the IE games are better in several respects, two of which are their use of D&D rules and the six party members. Also, the Forgotten Realms was such an amazingly rich world (historically) already.
But in my view they
zarakhast 1 year ago
Oh dear, didn't mean to post the last half-sentence !
It's hard for me to sum up why I think the IE games are superior to the (admirable) Elder Scroll games, because there are so many things to consider.
D&D rules - hateful though they strangely are to so many people - have a kind of symmetry and beauty to them which other, homespun, rule systems don't. Also, party-based combat is far more interesting.
Depth : the writers of the IE games truly had it imo. Not so sure about Bethesda.
zarakhast 1 year ago
@Grigeral Ultimately, whether you can successfully analyse what made a game good or bad, what matters is the feeling it leaves you with. For me, Oblivion is something I will probably go back to many times - but I'll probably never complete it. Why ? Because it's too repetitive : too many Oblivion gates for one thing. Awe usually gives way to boredom when I'm playing Oblivion, in spite of the fact that I'm pretty patient. This is not helped by the rather primitive combat.
zarakhast 1 year ago
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warling666 1 year ago
somebody tell me plz, what is the "THACO" in the game???
GergelyVideoi 1 year ago
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leeboy26 1 year ago
@GergelyVideoi
It's an Acronym of 'To hit armour class 0' All combat rolls are based off it.
leeboy26 1 year ago
@leeboy26 thx!
GergelyVideoi 1 year ago
@GergelyVideoi "THACO" which is from AD&D(Advanced Dungeons & Dragons), stands for To Hit Armor Class 0. In games like Icewind Dale and Baldur's Gate which run off of AD&D rules, having a lower armor class is better. See the link I posted if you want to read more into it. I've been playing D&D for years.
KBlondell1988 1 year ago
When i heard that i just want to fight
Thunker71 1 year ago
Average age of 30? Load of nonsense, the average age of gamers is probably around 15-16 (possibly lower) due to the massive console market. Games are so expensive to create nowadays that they have to sell to a large audience and we all know what happened to Black Isle.
Personally I feel very privaledged to have grown up with games like BG, we were in a golden age of gaming back in the late 90's and early 2000s. I still remember being fucking hyped about Morrowind and its 3d gameworld...
rlilewis 1 year ago
@rlilewis
Everybody says that about the time they were gaming.
Those who grew up in the mid-late 80's say that that's the golden age of gaming
and everything else is crap Those who grew up in the early-mid 90's say that that's the golden age of gaming and everything else is crap
Those who grew up in the mid-late 90's (like you) say that the golden age of gaming and everything else is crap.
Those who are growing up now are saying that everything that cam before is crap. It's an endless cycle
dori34543 1 year ago 3
@dori34543
very wise comment - not common for youtube lol
ZenOfEmotion 1 year ago
@dori34543
Thats because they dont know Baldurs Gate 2.^^ If they did, they would concur that BG2 (including ToB ofc) is the best western RPG ever made by men. Period.
Disorganizer 1 year ago
@dori34543
That's common believe, but my experience is different (grew up late 80's and for me golden age of gaming is late 90's as it was for a lot of other digital media)
Point is: Content changed. Late 70/80' games were about experimenting with innovative gameplay, generally by pioneers in computer sciences.
Up to the late 90's pioneers of other arts discovered the turf, i.e. storytellers.
Late 00's are just about pipelines, marketing and competition. No space for true relation I believe.
temporarilyamused 1 year ago
@rlilewis What do you think happened to those gamers who played Pac-Man, International Karate, Last Ninja and Super Mario Bros when they were hot? Did they just quit? Many surveys indicate that the average mmorpg player is around 30-35 so... :p
Ander01SE 1 year ago
If the final form of every game is going to be dictated by how many copies it might sell in a short space of time (i.e. with an eye on big and instant profits) then we are going to end up with games tailor-made for a mass audience end, and therefore average games. What a pathetic age this is if people can't think any differently ! How shortsighted can you get ???
zarakhast 1 year ago
When the first BG came out (1998 ?) computer gaming was still a minority hobby but very much a growing one. To be a gamer then was to be a bit of an outsider. To a certain extent that is still the case, but nowhere near as much as it was. The average age of the gamer is about 30 now, or so I've read. All this is in a way good for gaming. But it is also bad, because it means that, given the way economics operates, Joe Average dictates what games we get. And I am staunchly apolitical btw.
zarakhast 1 year ago
And since this is a video tribute to Icewind Dale : awesome game. Engrossing plot. Beautiful artwork. Entrancing music. Takes you from this humdrum world and transports you to another, much better and more beautiful place. And not in the least bit dumbed-down either.
zarakhast 1 year ago
Deus Ex : Invisible War. Dumbed-down version of Deus Ex.
zarakhast 1 year ago
@zarakhast The question is :
Will Deus Ex: Human Revolution be a Dumbed-down version of Deus Ex?
Or
will Deus Ex: Human Revolution be a Dumbed-down version of Deus Ex: Invisible War?
;-)
edab85 10 months ago
@edab85 Most likely in my view it will be the latter. But it will no doubt be praised by its legion of fans (they will be readying their speeches even now) as a nostalgic return to the spirit of the original, whereas in reality it will be yet another compromise, targeted at the largest audience possible. I wonder whether Dragon Age 3 will be a Doom-style first-person shooter ?
zarakhast 10 months ago
@zarakhast 100% agree. Never played DA series, but I was told that DA 1 is awesome but DA 2 is a shame, just like Deus Ex. History repeats itself.
edab85 10 months ago
@edab85 Yes that's what I've heard too, although I haven't played DA 1 yet, beyond the opening bit ("The Harrowing"). In any case, DA:O is by most accounts essentially a dumbed-down version of Baldur's Gate, even if it is a decent RPG in its own right. I suppose it was always inevitable once gaming became an almost universal pastime that games would start being designed with the "masses" in mind, because that's where the profit lies. I can acknowledge this fact but I don't have to like it :)
zarakhast 10 months ago 6
@zarakhast DA:O is dumbed-down, but DAII is even worse. You guys tried the Drakensang series by the way (based on the Dark Eye pen and paper)?? Also, this might be unrelated but I am really enjoying the Witcher series... even though the second part is really action packed the engine is so beautifully made and the storyline is really captivating too up to now. But yes, I miss the old-school roleplaying elements and the fucking pause button/tactical combat. :)
eangelos89 8 months ago
@eangelos89 The witcher II is hilarious. I'm watching Lewis play from the Yogcast, and it's quite funny. All the nudity! Geralt is a horny witcher! Hilarious.
GabrielleduVent 8 months ago
@edab85 How can you dumb-down something that is already dumbed down :) (Deus Ex: Invisible War)
Empowerless 10 months ago
Dumbing-down is the new becoming-more-sophisticated.
Getting worse is the new getting better.
Being thicker is the new being wiser.
zarakhast 1 year ago
And older gamers would point out that the games I cite as having been dumbed-down were themselves dumbed-down versions of earlier games :
1. Civ 4 (dumbed-down version of Civ 3)
2. BG ... errr, my argument falls to the ground here :)
3. Supreme Commander (dumbed-down, or at least rather mechanical, soulless, version of Total Annihilation)
4. Bioshock (dumbed-down version of System Shock 2).
zarakhast 1 year ago
Profit, that's all publishers care about. Cases in point :
1. Civ 5 (dumbed-down version of Civ 4)
2. Dragon Age (dumbed-down version of BG)
3. Supreme Commander 2 (dumbed-down version of SC1)
4. Bioshock 2 (dumbed-down version of Bioshock1)
And many, many more.
It's not that makers of games lack the ability to write genuinely good stuff, it's that they're just mercenary sheep : predictably aiming at making money rather than achieving something special. They make me puke.
zarakhast 1 year ago
Modern game writers are talentless, soulless mercenaries. Their attitude STINKS. They're just in it for the profit. They start off as idealistic and artistically ambitious but soon learn the ropes and before you know it they are conning you left, right and centre. All they care about is your cash and how to get it. That's why you now have to buy umpteen (small and crap) expansion packs when originally you only had to buy one. Their cheek knows no bounds. They deserve a good old-fashioned beating
zarakhast 1 year ago
@zarakhast I have to agree but only to some extent, what i mean is that while the western market sucks, there are many talented game developers like Kinoko Nasu (Type moon) or Jun Maeda that are very talented writers, but they write games that are not popular out of the VN niche. Have you ever played CLANNAD or FATE/Stay night?, Kanon? Planetarian? Ever 17? those games are called Visual novels and rely only in their storylines to appeal. Their market is huge in Japan but not here in the west.
TPOver9000 1 year ago
@TPOver9000 The Western market "sucks" ? You're probably right. Or at least it has ENDED UP sucking. The IE games certainly didn't suck and for a while (before gaming became a popular pastime) Western games were things of beauty. The word "market" is very appropriate. As gaming has become more common and "normal" games have been tailored to suit the tastes of the majority. And the majority is just so f*cking boring. I believe what you say about Japan, but I want Western games !
zarakhast 1 year ago
@zarakhast Lol yea i know, sorry if i implied that the western games always were this bad, since english is not my first leanguaje, im a core gamer and i played games since i was six so i have played many games and many rpgs since eye of the beholder or the ishar series. Games this days lack of soul, but my point is that if you look around there are great games to be enjoyed even now. Games are a market and until gamers grow up, games will target the same narrow mentality, they have to make $.
TPOver9000 1 year ago
@TPOver9000 "Leanguaje" - lol ! I enjoy deliberate silliness.
I like your synopsis and its optimism but I have my doubts. Will "the masses" ever become "deeper" ? You seem to imply that it is just a case of "growing up" (i.e. getting older). But in my experience, getting older has nothing to do with becoming deeper or more imaginative. My view is bleaker : aim at the majority and you will get averageness every time.
zarakhast 1 year ago
@TPOver9000 Of course publishers and developers (their lackeys and puppets) have to make a living. But if all they aim at is survival (of the company) and profit then that may (or may not) end up being okay for them, but the gamer will keep being fed rubbish. And that is how it is now. Unfortunately what this means is that there will be no great games while this kind of thinking prevails, unless some rich benefactor decides to make a great game because he wants and can afford to do so.
zarakhast 1 year ago
@TPOver9000 Check the Gamer´s manifesto page, maybe you will find something there that fits you.
TPOver9000 1 year ago
Dumbing-down is the general trend. I don't need to be a disillusioned "oldie" to claim this. Look at Civ 5 : amazing review scores (to get you to buy it) from the critics, but listen to the gamers' point of view : shallow, simplified, dumbed-down crap. Just look at the discrepancy between the critics' score and the users' score on metacritic. And read just one of the users' reviews : it's an honest point of view. You can't trust the critics any more. They're all in it for the money.
zarakhast 1 year ago
@zarakhast With regards to your piece on the 'dumbing down' of games, the manuals are proof of this...
I loved getting old games with their enormous manuals. BG, BG2, X-Com Enemy Unknown, Terror From the Deep etc... They have manuals some 200-300 pages long, which you had fun reading.
Now, you're lucky if you get 3-5 pages, most of which being warnings, controls and an idiots guide of how to put the game in...
Without the large manuals, you miss out on 50% of the experience imo.
Grigeral 1 year ago
@Grigeral I agree wholeheartedly. I've still got my original Alpha Centauri manual - it's like War And Peace !
It used to be a pleasure to buy a game, install it without playing it yet and then take the manual to bed to read. Nowadays there's not much to read. Care was taken in the writing of manuals to set up the atmosphere of the game, as well as to tell you how to play it - without, however, giving too much away.
X-Com - now there's another atmospheric masterpiece !
zarakhast 1 year ago
@zarakhast Indeed. Xcom games were some of my favourites... (well, particularly the Microprose ones anyway).
Grigeral 1 year ago
@Grigeral As for Morrowind, I've never come across a more unwieldy inventory system. How many slightly different potions is it possible to accumulate, and how fiddly is it to find the right one to use ? Both Morrowind and Oblivion have pretty woeful inventory / spell systems.
The Bethesda games are flawed masterpieces in my book, with the emphasis on the flaws. The IE games are easily playable, deeper, more complex and polished in every respect. A hard act to follow.
zarakhast 1 year ago
@zarakhast I agree 100%. I love Bethesda games, but I love them for completely different reasons.
IE games are 100% better for deep story and character development, but they lack in other area's. Such as Oblivions ability to choose direction, walk that way and encounter several things you never saw before.
That is where I feel Bethesda excel. Their worlds (to me) seem more real, or at least more continual.
Grigeral 1 year ago
@zarakhast Black Isle now being Obsidian (or at least the better parts of Black Isle), well... Some of it is still worthwhile.
Some will say how they hate NWN, personally, I loved NWN (I & II), but I thought the story was great. The expansions, less so, but still...
I see it this way... In times starved of decent RPG's, beggars can't be choosers lol. I've never found myself thinking "My god... I wasted my money" with either company, so for me, that is enough :).
Grigeral 1 year ago
D&D rules RULE. Ever since RPGs have not been based on them RPGs have failed. If you don't have an intelligent rule-system then you're not going to have a very good game either - regardless of how pretty you might make a game look. On top of that you need writers who are not only good at computer logic but who actually have some SOULS. We can clearly see that this ceased to be the case when Neverwinter Nights hit the shelves. You also need an audience which isn't a COMPLETE SET OF AIRHEADS.
zarakhast 1 year ago
@GeekMaster42 No, wrong. The IE games are all good. Admittedly, the IWDs did away with the "player character" and let you create all six party members yourself, but they still had the excellent music, mood, , writing, atmosphere, combat, character development and general superbness which all the other IE games contained. And in terms of atmosphere the IWDs sometimes surpass even the other IE games. But all non-IE RPGs are, in comparison, rubbish.
zarakhast 1 year ago
Now, THIS is epic! LOVE IWD! I want my childhood back!
RealJusuf 1 year ago
Six party members : perfect. It's the ideal number. Any fewer and you start having to grant extra abilities to the ones who remain in order to compensate. Result = player character & NPCs become more generic. What's the point in choosing a class, race, alignment when your character is going to be a jack-of-all-trades in any case ? A VERY poor development. And 3 party members : so no more complex combat then ? Fine Why not throw in some shit writing as well ? And a lack of atmosphere ? Great !
zarakhast 1 year ago
The "story" in NWN might have been good or bad - but who could actually be bothered to finish it ? It was such a poor game in comparison with the IE games. The NWN games were an INSULT to what went before them : the IE games collectively. THREE party members - is that all we get ? So what kind of battles are we going to have ? Obviously very boring ones. So hopefully they've done something else to compensate ? But no, everything is worse. The decline began with NWN - and it continues ...
zarakhast 1 year ago
i loved this game. i even finished it all including all expansions on heart of winter mode HEHEHE man was it ever stressful....
smokeyvv 1 year ago
It's more of a pity that there aren't games like these anymore because of the Greed of many industrialistic gaming companies...
Aelkamal 1 year ago
for me its damn similiar to menu theme from Torment
sergiuszs 1 year ago
Oh man everyone is saying how the storylines of these old rpgs are the best compared to modern ones. Honestly what are they thinking? Ice Wind Dale's story was not more complex than say Neverwinter Nights (can't speak for Dragon Age because didn't play it). Its like how anyone claims the "past" is better because everything modern sucks. IceWind Dale was a great game but certainly not the best ever
dragondisaster 1 year ago
@dragondisaster It's sentimentalities, if they are not yours, just ignore em. When I hear this music, my mind is flooded with lots of pleasant memories. I know that they are just pleasant because I was young at the time and video games like these were new and exciting, not because those games were the best ever.
Leave the memories of aging video gamers alone and just do what you do when your dad talks of old times, roll your eyes and don't listen.
cire9984 1 year ago
@cire9984 That's total rubbish. RPGs have not improved since the last IE game (IWD2) and in fact have deteriorated in just about every respect. Your "pleasant memories" of the IWD music are almost an insult to the game if you don't think it was very good. Which games do you think are better - and why ? Are you just another one of the numpties who need better graphics all the time ? You dismiss the game as something which you liked when you were young but have now outgrown. Explain yourself !
zarakhast 1 year ago
Ah the song which any legend could take, and it would make the 10 times greater... real... or not. :D
Anuojat 1 year ago 2
Epic-ness in its purest form.
koevsky 1 year ago 2
remenber this song from neverwinter nights trailer within bg cd
Necron214 1 year ago 23
Game's epic!
Preferred Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights more though :O
Ravabumionia 1 year ago 2
0:52 epic
JCDenton648 1 year ago
Icewindale, the baldurs gate series and Planescape torment( the best of them imho) can beat the Sht out of any modern rpg like fallout 3 and oblivion. The story is the soul of any game.
LreoSan 1 year ago 3
Epic soundtrack
Proletarian1917 1 year ago 2
Guys! Plz I need help!! Can someone tell me wtf do I do when a player gets poisoned???
Antidotes r useless and so is mummy's tea...
(p.s I have 4 players and none of them is mage)
JoannaAlwaysAnd4eva 1 year ago
@JoannaAlwaysAnd4eva
get a cleric. mages may be skipped from a party(even if it's not recomended), but a cleric is a must.
Sardath13 1 year ago 2
After Baldur's Gate the second best rpg ever.
xxAtlantianKnightxx 2 years ago 42
@xxAtlantianKnightxx you 're right man
Saterius 1 year ago
What about Planescape: Torment?
I think that it's the best ever. Also from the Forgotten Realms universe.
Owneador1337 1 year ago 2
@Owneador1337 The setting is Planescape bro. You 're thinking D&D ruleset.
kiintlord 1 year ago
@kiintlord Yeah, but I've heard that Planescape and Forgotten Realms are in the same Universe; not only only on the D&D, but also in some books in which they get related to each other. Forgotten Realms does talk about the different planes sometimes, anyways...
Owneador1337 1 year ago
@Owneador1337 No bro. Sigil which is Planescape's main city stands at the center of the multiverse, at the center of the worlds. One of these worlds is Toril - Forgotten Realms' world. Think multiverse - multiple universes - planes.
kiintlord 1 year ago
@kiintlord Yeah well, that's exactly what I meant :P. Got my cables messed up.
Owneador1337 1 year ago
@xxAtlantianKnightxx Planescape: Torment is better imo but BG beats everything!
sl2mmer 1 year ago
@xxAtlantianKnightxx tbh, IWD is more like a dungeon crawler :)
Felsmukk 1 year ago
@xxAtlantianKnightxx Maybe the third. IMO Planescape Tormets beats the crap out of any rpg
taz0k2 1 year ago
No, Torment is the Best RPG ever.
Second BG, and last icewind.
Torment had the biggest possible actions based on your alignment. And keep in mind, when u begin playing your alignment was true neutral.
RPG = "Role Playing Game", not hack and slash...
nmcobalt 1 year ago 4
@nmcobalt hack and slash is diablo
CallebAntichrist 1 year ago
@CallebAntichrist sorry, u are right, yes its not hack and slash, it's a "plot hack and slash" :)
nmcobalt 1 year ago
@CallebAntichrist IceWind Dale and IceWind Dale 2 are hack and slash games made to lheook like rpgs. There is little to no character development and the alignment is a joke, You can do things against your alignment without penalty and I am sure people will do so to get more exp. They are still fun games but I will not call them proper rpgs.
dragondisaster 6 months ago
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@nmcobalt lol yeah right
CrackaStoleMyBoat 1 year ago
i have played many rpg games since eye of the beholder II and the ishar series, but imho nothing beats Baldurs gate II and Chrono Trigger. Close to them i will say that a Tes morrowind whit heavy modifications will come in 3 place. And yes Morrowind has far more playtime than oblivion. Just a mod called the black mill has as much as playtime that oblivion. Sorry for my english. and tnx for the upload.
LreoSan 2 years ago 5
As Dragon Age
WindsRox 2 years ago
@WindsRox Morrowind has far more playtime than Oblivion.
pewpewzorz 2 years ago 14
@pewpewzorz tru dat i jacked off liek 9000 tmes to morrowind i only jacked off twice to oblivion
CrackaStoleMyBoat 1 year ago
@pewpewzorz Yes, Morrowind was really better, because the game play was "open"! Oblivion game play is really restrict. Removing levitation was really bad. Making cities inside a "cube" was really bad. Also monsters at Oblivion were taking levels as you level :))). That makes the game fake! At Morrowind, if you were low level and you went in a place where high level monsters patrol, you would have no chance to face them...
nmcobalt 1 year ago
@nmcobalt fake?? lol your funny. you mean a fantasy video game is unrealistic because of monsters lvling with you. Well i could offer up some explanation like if you can improve yourself, wouldn't it be more fake to say that they can't? after all they are part of that same evolving world too. I could say all that, but I think its much better to say that its a fantasy video game, which means that like all fantasy videogames, THEY ARE ALL ALREADY FAKE BECAUSE THEY ARE IMAGINARY. Get it???
Demiurge13 11 months ago 3
@Demiurge13 Well apart from the gaming fantasy (which all games are fake, so what we are talk about...), there are games where you can find places which are really hard to survive, and places of lower level population. That is more immersive (mark this word), than just a game which everything leveling like you... Consider the following, if everything was equal all time with you, what the point of harder creatures? None, just the diff in sprite's appear... Have u ever played paper rpg? guess no
nmcobalt 10 months ago
Icewind Dale...great game, but still doesn't live up to Baldur's Gate.
Yusuke1096 2 years ago 2
It didn't aim to either. Once you strip out the combat system and universe they're completly different.
MrMalavon 2 years ago
@Yusuke1096 I Disagree, ive NEVER gotten as much pleasure from Baldur's gate in all three combined that ive gotten from Icewind Dale.
Darrosified 2 years ago
You got party banters, interaction and romance in IWD? Heh, I thought so..
WolfhoundMercenary 1 year ago
@WolfhoundMercenary Well thats not that important, if you have any kind of imagination what-so ever you can make do with your own role-playing. I mean isnt that what D&D is all about? (Please just tell me your going through the game with Tordall, Myrak, some imaginary name like that. Dont tell me your running around Faerun with Bladerunner, and Kickassdude... Because frankly that is SAD)
Darrosified 1 year ago
Speakng about my D&D, I run around with Ibram or Deithwen, what has those names to do anything with the fact that someone(like me) also prefers some flavour that enhances the experience during role-playing? :)
But hey, I see your point, taste differs, and I respect your opinion.
WolfhoundMercenary 1 year ago
@WolfhoundMercenary Ah but you do have the pleasure of making all your own characters... and the peace and quiet.
Ellioto9 1 year ago
@ZerooOne1 Are u kidding me? I counted the whole gametime - prologue+ostagar = 2h, each treaty = 2h, both dlc = 2h, some side quest = bout 1h, and ending = 2h...altogether you get about 15 - 16 hours of gameplay... nothing compared to old rpg's...and the story is lame...like at the very beginning you know what to do and whom you will kill at the very end... very little armor and weapon skins, no depth in the storyline... only orazammar was nice...a big letdown, and they mark it as bg succesor:(
eMKayJR 2 years ago
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Not all 21century rpgs are that short, Oblivion is about 450 hours ,Morrowind is about 100, NWN2 is about 80.
WindsRox 2 years ago
@WindsRox well you're right about that. I just said that Dragon Age was short despite our expectations and what the developers has said pre release.
eMKayJR 2 years ago
No matter how good an RPG is, it will never be as good as the first ones you played - i.e. BG1,2 , Planescape, IW...
The "nostalgia-factor" will always influence your opinion .Then we have the fact that BG2 is one of the best games that has ever been made.
But yes, DAO doesn't have the same "feel" to it. It is however one longest games I've ever played - it was a long time since there was a game which lasted more than 100 hours. I've played aprox. 120 but has only progressed 37% of it.
ZerooOne01 2 years ago
Lacking all the tactical options of Icewind Dale, DAO is simply boring in combat. The old Infinety Engine games are today as challenging and fun as in their time.
d4rkavenger 2 years ago
@d4rkavenger I haven't even played DA:O yet, though it's on my hard-drive waiting to be played. But that was exactly my fear : that without the D&D basis the game would lack the compelling challenge offered by the IE games. This is something I've always tried to stress : if you don't have a logical system in the background, governing both combat and character development, you will end up with an ultimately forgettable game, however good your graphics or your storyline are.
zarakhast 1 year ago
But at the same time, you will not get anywhere special without great imagination - whether that be visual or verbal. All the IE games had this. Superb dialogue : compare the dialogue in the NWN & Elder Scrolls games : laughable ! And who could really be bothered to follow the storylines of Morrowind, Oblivion or Neverwinter Nights (not that I finished NWN - it was too dull) ? D&D rules PLUS first-class writers & artists = recipe for success. Oblivion without mods = POOR.
zarakhast 1 year ago 3
I like to keep if old school with this and Baldur's Gate ; )
velvetsnape 2 years ago
Definitely gives me goosebumps at 55 seconds. The theme on the new Dragon Age Origins is reasonably good too.
TheRealGaffer 2 years ago 2
Today's games got technical gloss... but they lack the heart... I would trade gold for that heart :(
ikislav 2 years ago 8
do you have Dragon Age ? do you get that same feeling wiht that game ?
Te4RHyP3 2 years ago
dragon age is a good game, but its more like baldurs gate then icewind dale, since its more story related. but no, dragon age's music doesnt even come close imo, still an awesome game tho
matternicuss 2 years ago
im playing dragon age right now, and all i can tell you is that you cannot compare DA's music to BA or IWD. the main reason is that Inon Zur (while a very good composer) cannot for the life of him, match or try to match what Jeremy Soule has done. Zur with fallout3,DA, BA2 has been able to make a series of consistently good tracks with 1 or 2 in each game which Really stand out. I dont need to say anything positive about Soule since your talking to me on this video
Te4RHyP3 2 years ago
@Te4RHyP3 yeah right so The Throne of Bhaal OST by Inon Zur doesnt stand out?
pewpewzorz 2 years ago 2
Yes - I have DAO.. It is a superb game! But, no - I don't get the same feeling, regrettably :(
koevsky 2 years ago
very disappointing to see the only aspect of computer games which have improved is their graphics.
they cant possibly match the storyline and music quality
Krmzz 2 years ago 11
I don't really agree, although the music and sfx haven't been improved much the storyline has been improved upon on several occasions, take Bioshock for example, or even dragon age: origins, they have great storylines.
AfroJarl 2 years ago 3
@AfroJarl
Yeah.. they have improved a lot on the quality of storytelling and the meaningfulness of your choices - im talking here mainly of dragon age origins.
ZenOfEmotion 2 years ago
DAO is lacking in gameplay mechanics although if we're going to compare it to older western RPGS like Baldurs gate, Icewind Dale and Fallout.
Xoid900 2 years ago
@Xoid900 Um...no. DAO is far more complicated than BG or ID or the original Fallout games. If for nothing else it's a modern RPG made for modern consoles, 3d and all. As for the requisite of being a "better game"....I don't know. I had mixed feelings with DAO.
Yusuke1096 2 years ago
I said gameplay mechanics. And by gameplay mechanics I really mean abilities, gear, stats, battles and enemies.
DAO on the other hand has some amazing graphics at low CPU demand even at best, even better dialog system then Mass effect had and is a beast when it comes to the time necessary to complete it.
Don't get me wrong, I love this game.
Xoid900 2 years ago
Sometimes I prefer the older crappy graphics, like in Icewind Dale lol.
FallschirmjagerX 2 years ago 5
the infinity engine looks great, i think. especially the backgrounds, theres something about them that is hard to capture in 3d maybe
matternicuss 2 years ago
Mabye, If balck Isle were resurrected from the dead! Mwahahahahaha! (listen to 1:21 and read that)
LichKingSkullWart 2 years ago
the soundtrack is amazing. you dont hear this kind of quality scores in newer games it really takes off at the 55 second mark
stuka80 2 years ago 5
those fancy 3D games we have now never match the epicness of the "old school" IE games
m9m9m9m9m9 2 years ago 6
It well went wrong when they released the first NWN game. :(
Preddykins 2 years ago 4