UCC Ejector

[NixonisLord]

If they're so welcoming to "nontraditional" members, why is their membership still over 95% White and middle/upper middle class? If this is "Diversity", skim milk is salsa. Either they're lying or the membership didn't really want to do this. The UCC is one of the fastest-shrinking members of the Mainline Protestant club. If the membership trends of the past 30 years continue, they will be gone by 2035.

[sirach]

@NixonisLord It's still a lovely church. As a Filipina transsexual, I've visited the local UCC a few times, and I loved it, even though I am a minority amongst a sea of white folk. But what matters more is that I know that God loves me for who I am, and that I can worship in a safe environment without being in trepidation or fear of being harrassed or even killed. Remember that many churches are shrinking as well, since individualism and secularism is on the rise anyways. God bless!

[NixonisLord]

@sirach so you think that even though your chromosomes are still XY you're now an XX?

And you can't maintain a typical female appearance without expensive hormonal treatments and maybe even more surgery? Which means what? God didn't know what he was doing the first time? Why bother with religion? I realize that you must need massive and frequent infusions of supporting words to counteract the biological messages you're getting every day but still, why bother?

[sirach]

@NixonisLord Obviously I will never become a fully-fledged female, but having a feminised body helps alleviate the stresses I do have in my neurological inclinations. And my hormone treatments are not that expensive, and I'm only looking at one surgery. Whatever occurs on this planet is due to my karma and what occured in my past life; God has nothing to do with it.

Transgenderism has been naturally accepted in many traditional societies, so I have no qualm with it.

[NixonisLord]

@sirach God loves you for who you are even though he put male genitalia where they don't belong? Or aren't welcome?

 He's either pretty indifferent to what you do to his creation or he doesn't pay particularly good attention when he's making people. One of the reasons I'm an atheist is that religion is so obviously a human artifact, as artificial and pointless as the breasts you've given yourself and the artificial vagina you had to craft and keep artificially lubed, at high cost.

[sirach]

@NixonisLord Because I come from a Vaishnava background, and obviously there are imperfections in creation. The material world is full of it. Although the traditional Abrahamic paradigm is that creation is perfect because God is perfect, in the traditional Dharmic conception of life, creation does not necessarily mean perfection, especially with birth, death, old age and disease.

I assume that GID and transsexuals have no place for acceptance with you. That's good to know.

[NixonisLord]

@sirach Transexuality is a harmless personal affectation, like being vegan.

[sirach]

@NixonisLord The reason why I choose to be open minded about religion is that it enriches my personal life, helps me see other perspectives and views, and causes me to think of the various ways of thinking. Religion is just a concept with many variables, nothing more. There is nothing wrong with being an atheist, inasmuch as there is nothing wrong with being a theist. What IS wrong is the persistance in one's personal views eclipsing the ideals of tolerance in a post-modern society.

[NixonisLord]

@sirach How do you know that your personal views are the right ones? You have no basis for this, except for your personal fantasy life based on mythological figures. At least I can bring thousands of years of history and genetics to prove that you can no more stop being a genetic male than you could stop being as many years old as you are. And what's the authority in "post modern"? How is this proof of anything or is this your attempt to say "More believe this now than before so it's true"?

[sirach]

@NixonisLord As I said, cultures such as Southeast Asia, to many First Nations tribes have always had alternative genders. 'Third gender' is this proof that biological sex does not determine a culture's idea of gender. if it doesn't harm you, than what business do you have with those who have gender dysphoric feelings? We as a people are already harrassed, raped, shut out from people, etc. for being ourselves with no harm towards anyone. I just deal with my own self and my friends.

[sirach]

@NixonisLord I think it's culturally insensitive and close-minded to not recognise that many cultures had more than two genders in their conception of human categorisation.

[NixonisLord]

@sirach What does this mean-"culturally insensitive"? Does this mean a way of saying "wrong" but you think it's sounds better with pseudo-sociological talk added on to it? That all cultures are equal-even those that would beat this man to within an inch of his life? You're trying to judge without taking the trouble of thinking about what your saying and without trying to prove it. It's so vapid and simpering-and Western.

[sirach]

@NixonisLord Actually, in Canada, the surgery is mostly covered by our Medical Care. ;)

[NixonisLord]

@sirach So when they chose which procedures to fund, they chose to help people to live out a fantasy that would be called "mutilation" in another context? Even something as relatively minor as circumcision is being referred to as mutilation by many; you mean it's more acceptable to cut it all off and it's good? And you can get others to pay for it?

[sirach]

@NixonisLord The difference is that circumcision is generally not chosen by the child, while transsexuality and its existence is something that affects many children in different cultures, from the hijras of India (for which documentation has been found for at least a thousand years), to the fa'afafine of the Pacific Islands. In any case, Canadian medicine has recognised transsexuality as a neurological condition that is inborn, and medical aid can help over suicides of transpeople.

[Reazzurro90]

I love how this commercial demonizes the traditional White family as evil.

[1970shesmyridehome]

well I was actually in this commercial and I think they did a pretty plain and simple version of "we dont discriminate"..every church has its own views, but as far as I can see the UCC is pretty welcoming to gays, different ethnic backgrounds, you name it...

[daniellesands190]

..wow.

[nicXXI]

Great add- God doesn't reject people... I did not perceive this as a slight toward any other denomination of Faith. I did see it as a slam against those who judge and exclude- that they know God wouldn't want certain people worshiping. jabjer56

[tristanrobin]

"The UCC intended these videos as attacks on Catholicism and more conservative Protestantism. The UCC claims to be open and inclusive but actually shuts out those who hold less liberal views"

I belong to a UCC - they have never shut out a Catholic or conservative Protestant that I've ever known about! All are welcome there.

I, on the other hand, have heard stories from people who have gone to other churches in which they were condemned for "being" ... in other words: were not welcomed.

[WJDII]

NO, the UCC, like Jesus, accept "all the people," not few.

[NortheastOrganist]

The UCC intended these videos as attacks on Catholicism and more conservative Protestantism. The UCC claims to be open and inclusive but actually shuts out those who hold less liberal views.

[WJDII]

NO, the UCC, like Jesus, accept "all the people," not few.

[bullletblood]

F here. home alone with a webcam Q

[secretchristian]

I think people are being taken for a fantastic ride on the religious tour bus.

I believe the elitists' plan for The New World Order or The One World Order will have a One World Church - all beliefs are to be welcomed. Afterall, christianity is believed to be nothing more than astrotheology and the worship of our sun and the tracking of it's movement through the heaven.

[PuudaMaggui]

ROFL, okie dokie Nutjob.

[guywithfuzzyface]

Maybe the LDS is like the UMC, whose commerial also appear on TV. Instead of a negative commerials they prefer to do positive ones about the love of Jesus. Why the UCC would make a commerial implying that other churches are prejudice is beyond me. The networks did a good job not putting on these negative commerials.

[slink4]

I find it ever more interesting that LDS can get their commercial spots on TV, but UCC can't... wonder why that is? Could it be that LDS controls a rather large portion of media? Hmmmmm.....?

[jesusrulesnow]

Or the fact the UCC is extremely gay, having performed one of the first gay marriages in America. Gay is still not mainstream.

[focoboi]

Ah I love the UCC! :-) They should run these adds again.

[ha63]

Did this ever make it on the networks? I know they rejected another ad by UCC.

[tjh1855]

The Sci Fi channel played it, but not the networks.