Now you know very slightly what is like for all 'commie' protesters who don't agree with your right-wing adgenda! Let's see how you feel if you ever get beaten, shot or gassed.
They told me that if I voted for McCain, we'd see jack-booted police on orders from the White House marching through the streets quelling dissent. And they were right!
@kevyster The fact that the Tea Party has called for arm revolt is terrorism. Riot police were called in to make sure nothing happened. Did the riot police confront the people? No they did not.
@lovecraftis Revolt doesn't equal Terrorism or violence. You didn't answer how a Peaceful March is equal to terrorism. Do you consider our founding Fathers to be terrorists? You're just pissed over what happen in November 2010. In fact Ghandi and the Civil rights movement both called for a revolt that was peaceful. Do you consider those acts of terrorism? Think it over before you respond
@kevyster What do I have to be pissed about? Calling for people to take up arms against the government is a criminal act. Ghandi & the Civil Rights Movement were for non-violent protest. Fact before this march Tea party reps made public statements calling for violence (which is a terrorist act). Again the police did not confront the people marching. The recent actions by the Tea Party have shown that he people funding it have their own political agenda.
@DaveSquibbSr Guess you need to listen to what the Tea Party has had to say. If you propose violent confrontation with the government don't be surprised if the police show up at your protest. Maybe YOU should get all the facts and not just what the TEA Party says before making unfounded accusations.
@lovecraftis I guess that you need to read what I said, I made no mention of violence, I am not a member of the tea party, although I have seen enough of them to know that if you think they are violent you need to quit watching mainstream news such as cnn, cbs, abc and find out what the tea party is really about, they speak about a peaceful revolution, I guess that makes them public enemy number 1 LMAO your not very bright to let the mainstream media fool you that way
@DaveSquibbSr Appears you're not very bright. By u I ment Tea Party supporters. I have gone to Tea Party meetings &they do talk about the need for violent revolt. As for mainstream news: when Tea Party members & spokepeople interviewed have said the same thing over & over it doesn't leave much doubt about their motives. U state u r not a member, but do seem to support them. LMAO Guess u r just really confused.
@lovecraftis yes they talk about revolt by means of peaceful revolution, get off of mainstream tv and you will see just how carefully they cut the video clips to try to make the tea party look bad, any way I am done with this conversation, I do not have the time or the will to try to make a liberal understand anything
@DaveSquibbSr LOL The say crap like get your guns. Guess that sounds real peaceful to u? BTW I've heard similar Tea Party rants on FOX & in person at Tea party meetings. Guess when you're some delusional idiot ignoring reality & blaming the mainstream media makes more sense. I'm done dealing with your total ignorance.
@DaveSquibbSr Love how you people r missing the point. Did the police confront the protesters? No they did not. Guess YOU should get YOUR facts straight.
"President (bolshevik dictator) obama need to be thrown out of office.It is unnormal that a minority person rule an entire country without the abillity of the citizens to voice their opposition."
But they WERE able to voice their opposition. They protested, went home, and made a YouTube video about how "oppressed" they felt because riot police were there in case things turned to shit.
@Auschwitz2012 First leave race out of this. The Tea Party is in opposition to Obama's bad policies, bailouts done under both Obama and Bush,jr, Career politicans from both political parties that refuse to listen to the American people. Half the country voted for Palin via McCain based on plicies NOT race, Gender,etc. It's not Obama's Black half nor White half we oppose. We do oppose Reid,Obama,Pelosi changing America into Europe West. That's it. We're sick of the Left 's racially obsessed crap.
@kevyster More and more people in West Europe believe we need a "Tea Party" here, specially in Spain. The left's policies can't solve economic crisis. We need more freedom, we want the freedom of America. In Europe and Spain, we shall overcome too.
@angelrogo I know you don't have this holiday there but I'd want to wish you and all the Tea Party minded brothers and sisters across the pond a Happy Memorial Day. We will NOT submit to the Left's appeasement to Islamists nor accept their bad policies. Herman Cain 2012- Try playing the race card now Pinkos,lol God Bless US , Europe and the whole Free world.
@raamses66 The fact he was elected and won seems to have slipped your mind. BTW unnormal isn't an actual word. For the record Obama has done nothing to take away anyone's right to voice their opposition. GW did that.
I feel awful that that mother is screwing up her child and perverting her sense of democracy to something sick and evil...cloak and dagger racism all the tea party is...
I was there at the rally. and the inside was much more more patriotic then that
They "thought" they are getting in trouble? Really? Did anyone stop you from doing what you were doing? Did anyone go to jail, arrested, beaten? Hahahaha, Teanazis view of the world. Why don't you try participating in one of those Anarchist rallies and see how they are being treated--of course, for most part is a valid reaction by the law enforcement in dealing with rowdy crowd. But for fuck sake, how does a police officer standing by represent an oppression of freedom of speech?
@djk84 Hey, one bad apple spoils the bunch man. If one soldier from army A kills a soldier from army B, you bet that army B is going to go after all of army A.So if a portion of the tea party commits menacing acts, you must assume that everyone who agrees with them and is on their side is also capable of, or planning to commit those same acts.
@zionistboy Never forget Ken Gladney, You are a true patriot and what a freed Black man is really looks like. God Bless Foxnews, NBRA, Project21, C.U.R.E. and last but by no means lest, The Tea Party movement. Oh and Fuck you SSEIU/ACORN, NBPP,etc. We may forgive but we will NEVER forget
@wowamonn since when your 1st and 4th roghts wher taken away years ago and now the same people are makeing everyone think the others are doing it by warning about gun law bills like... NO FRIKING SEMMI ATOMATICS THAT THE MILITRY USES, yes handguns used by people who comit crime more like pors use smugeled ones but a great deal of all guns used in crimes are regested, i just think that idiots,mentaly unstabl idioots should not have guns
(cont)..and it was developed by captured Germans because Stalin knew the USAF "manned Bomber" was in full swing and they where atleast 15 yrs behind in getting a true Strategic Bomber of their own , unless you count the TU-4 which was nothing more than a "rivot for rivot" copy of the B-29..and the "Czar Bomba" detenation was more of the same.. a non-practical(useless) weapon,designed for show..
Then what was MOAB, which was done FIRST? Why'd the Russian Federation do FOAB in response?
1) To show they are the foremost leaders in anything having to do with nuclear weapons or outer space travel.
2) To one-up us.
Who the fuck cares about your totally inaccurate and misguided history lessons of the second world war? Our "strategic bomber arsenal" was VERY small and if we nuked Russia we'd face 50,000,000 Soviet troops and the REST OF THE WORLD allied WITH them.
-I want you to watch that. It is the trailer to "Thirteen Days" and features the SS-4 SANDAL.
By the way, if you had any reading comprehension, the nuclear ICBM part code I sent to "sonrouge" was the SS-18 (NATO- "SATAN") which is the world's foremost nuclear ICBM and boasts a horrifying striking range of over 16,000km and can carry over 10 nuclear warheads because it is a MIRV.
It can hit any region on the GLOBE, minus parts of N.Zealand and South America.
Fairly sad to see that children possess more morals and since of government than most member of congress. I hope she always continues to stand for her beliefs. Well put Child in Quincy!
LOL! Its only the start. With the "patriot act" we lost our rights! I find the patriot act unconstitutional and can allow for crooked agents to take you away with no warrant for unlimited time. A 16 Year old boy was taken for over 2 months. But Terrorist go to public jails and have lawyers and they are not citizens of this country! They are the enemy! Obama approved the Patriot act after he came in to office & said he would get rid of it.
I took a couple seconds to actually look up the facts. The one who called in the riot police was not in fact obama, as the video suggests, it was Quincy Deputy Police Chief Ron Dreyer. At one point a secret service agent asked the group to step back to make room for the motorcade, but they didn't. At that point, the police chief called in the riot police, just to make sure the motorcade got off. Obama never asked his service or the police to do anything about it- it was standard procedure.
President Obama wasn't the one who ordered riot police to watch a protest in Illinois. There was no such executive order- no record of any order at all. In fact, the president would not even bother with this, I'm quite sure the only immediate authority would be under the head of police in that county.
They lied to the child in this video so she wouldn't like the president. President Obama did not give an order to deploy riot police in illinois- that's not my opinion, that's a fact.
Pathetic. Really sad. Your side lost. Get the f*ck over it. All I heard throughout the Clinton administration was how it was the end of the world. The economy was sound and everyone was working. For 8 years!!! By the way, anytime that a party does 2 terms in the Oval Office, you can bet your ass that the next term will be the other party. Get a life, Tea-Baggers (& y'all are so lame as to not even get what that really MEANS)!!! Amazing.
@sonrouge Man, you have a lot of time on your hands to reply to everyone....
You are God damned right we are calling racism. Where were all you Tea Baggers when Bush was in office destroying our rights, the economy, and our reputation?
To me it looks like all you Tea Baggers are just pissed off that a black man is the President , either that or you're just so stupid that you will do whatever the Republicans tell you to do, even if it goes against your own interests.
@jinkerGM Fuck your racism. The tea Party movements were started about 12 years ago from government over spending. It has been steadily growing ever since. They were there protesting Bush Amigo. Open your dumb racist eyes to reality. We are FIGHTING FOR AMERICA not each other over your fucking skin color. Get a grip on reality. THE COUNTRY IS DOOMED. I don't care what color your skin is, I am going to save myself before I save you.
@sonrouge very true, because america is notorious for taking land and not fond of giving up any. I feel that the south(in general, of course) is living in the past. there are too many people that have a strong belief in traditionalism. which really hinders the countries ability to evolve. their afraid of the unknown.
@sonrouge That was more to point out the patent ridiculousness of the assumption that big bad Obama specifically sent out riot police to squash protesters like some kind of fascist monster or that their presence at the protest was infringing upon anyone's rights. Protesters weren't assaulted or disrupted by police. Standard security measures were taken and they just stood there with shields. And yet Teabaggers claim that this is some massive affront to the first amendment. Rather silly.
@ZrazorRozenstrauch Perhaps, but it should still raise at least some concern when police are called out in full riot gear for people who not once demonstrated any hostility and whose protests are generally peaceful.
@sonrouge Then I will posit a similar question to the one you originally asked me. Were you disturbed or concerned at images of riot police at any of the numerous peaceful protests against Bush or the Iraq war or whatever earlier in the decade, or do YOU support double standards?
@sonrouge Something I do remember from when Bush was in office was that people were calling for his assassination and expressing support for the people we were fighting against in Iraq; things like that do warrant caution. I also read of a few instances where they did get violent.
@sonrouge And I believe two or three actual assassination plots against Obama were uncovered and thwarted within his first year of office. Obama is, from what I'm seeing, considerably more controversial and reviled by his opponents here in the US than Bush ever was (Bush was more hated internationally), so I'd say even more precautions are probably warranted, especially considering these incidents I'm hearing of where Teabaggers are spitting on senators, etc.
@ZrazorRozenstrauch The government, she concludes, may not express its disfavor with an opinion or speaker by burdening them with restrictions or prohibitions, unless it can show that their speech is causing some type of public harm.
So, what she is saying is, Government will decide what constitutes public harm and restrict free speech accordingly.
She will do the same for gun rights as she would like to do for free speech.
@donwilli So says the one playing the race card with no solid proof of racism other than opposing Obama, which last I checked, was protected under the First Amendment.
What happened to dissent being the highest form of patriotism?
@sonrouge i have no problem with dissent. i do have a problem with people not being real about their issues. do i love everything obama does because he's black? NO! I can be real about not agreeing with government policy. These people and people like them hide racist ideology behind the first amendment, and then say "no i have no problem with a black president. i just don't like his policies" BULLSHIT. nobody was saying i want my country back when we had a white president.
@donwilli It doesn't matter if it's real or not, it's protected. I can think of quite a few lunatics who protested during the Bush administration (Sheehan being #1), yet no one once suggested they had no right to voice their opinion. You have the right to be wrong.
@donwilli Can you prove they weren't? Not everyone takes up a sign when they protest; they write their senator, they vote, they sign petitions, etc. Also, during the Bush administration, the media's focus was on anti-war protests and the wars, yet we both know there were other things going on at the time.
@sonrouge not for nothing but i did security for second Bush inauguration, and though I didn't vote for him I laughed at the people who came there to protest. you know why? because # 1 he won fair and square and there was the liberal protesters could do about it and # 2 waving signs and yelling things at him wasn't gonna turn him into the person they wish he was, so for the people "fightin' to keep their freedom" from the "nazi" obama, he won fair and square live with it your president is black
@donwilli His electoral victory doesn't give him a blank check on power, so people are entitled to protest when he takes actions that are detrimental to their freedom (his recent healthcare bill being a blatant, undeniable example).
@sonrouge as far as a blank check on power, without the congress and the senate nothing becomes law, so all this everything is Obama's fault, he's single handedly taking the country to ruin WRONG. and with regards to to blacks in the tea party i never said that all people who protest Obama are racist. i was making the point that u have people who are protesting just because he's black like i made the point about people being mad that Bush won the 2nd time. and btw have u ever heard of uncle toms
@donwilli Which party is the majority in Congress? Obama's.
And yes, I've heard that term, which seems to mean any African-American who has self-esteem and doesn't need to whine about racism to get anywhere in life.
@sonrouge obviously your idea of Uncle Tom is a bit off, but none the even though Obama's party has a majority Obama is NOT the Congress or Senate. So with all "Power" he supposedly has, he is NOT the supreme overlord that "Some Americans" have made him out to be. How's about this. You vote for Sarah Palin in 2012 so she can quit in the middle of her term again, and then we'll see who really shouldn't have been in office in the first place.
@donwilli It can't be denied that Obama has taken many actions that violate the oath he swore when he took office. It is Congress'es job to make sure he doesn't do that, yet they are taking no action to stop him and are, at times, vocally supporting said violations. The checks and balances idea of government only works if the different parts of the government do their jobs, which isn't happening.
@donwilli The Tenth Amendment of the Constitution states that any powers not granted to the Federal government, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved for the states of the people. There's nothing in the Constitution allowing government to require people buy health insurance, there's nothing in it allowing government to use taxpayer money to bail out private businesses/banks...
@sonrouge Really so that's your big problem? So how about you don't purchase health insurance and next time you get sick you can pay the full bill by yourself. See how that works out. And as far as the bail outs, (little known secret) THOSE WERE STARTED BY PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH IN 2008. I think we are done here. Good day sir.
@donwilli Yes, yes, and I was against them at that time as well. But, and this fact is indisuputable no matter how many tantrums you throw: Obama continued them. Really, you must stop making ASSumptions about me, my friend; it demeans you.
And if I decide not to get health insurance, that is my right and the payment of the bill is my concern, not the government's.
@sonrouge you say I shouldn't make assumptions, but I have nothing to go on but your own words. Obama may not be perfect but the man is not trying to fuck up the country with no regard of how it's gonna effect the people of the United States. But you know what I guess you're right. Obama is a commi nazi looking to enslave America under them rule of islam, and all who voted for him should be charged with treason and labeled as enemies of the state, and thrown in Gitmo for eternity.
@jregley If my argument is weak, then it shouldn't be too hard for you to challenge it. Tell me, by what right does government dictate what a person's private skills are to be used for? Also, I take it you support a return of the military draft as well?
As for losing "the war", if you think Congress passing the bill is going to stop the economic law of supply and demand, reality is going to give you one hell of a wake up.
@sonrouge Oh, and one more thing, were you among the people who raised a ruckus everytime Bush took action that violated the Constitution? You can't demand one president follow it, then turn around and give the next a free pass.
^ This is retarded. Enjoy getting fined. Or getting sent a massive bill when you actually need health coverage and don't have it.
And the Constitution/Bill of Rights is EXTREMELY VAGUE and needs modification.
Take the 2nd Amendment, for instance. It has NO APPLICATION whatsoever in the modern world. For all intents and purposes it might even mean that you just have the right to have hands and phlanges.
@jregley The knowledge of how to perform a brain surgery, in the case of healthcare. Only the person who devoted the years of study to gain that skill owns it.
So you don't support the draft, but you believe the government can say "Get health insurance or else". How is that different from "Go fight in a war or else"?
@jregley Furthermore, need is not a claim on the lives of others. Is their need going to build them a home, or is a person's ability? Is their need going to grow them food, or is a person's ability? You get the idea.
No man of ability is going to become a milch cow for anybody. Just ask the former Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.
Needs of the many outweight needs of the few, bucko.
Not only are your posts erratic, you make little sense, have zero academic sources whatsoever, support joke political movements, and use Libertarianism as a front for personal greed.
Here's how government healthcare's different than Forced Conscription- it's dedicated to saving lives, not ending them.
Sorry, but you're going to pay for the needy's healthcare needs, whether you like it or not. You're paying for it right now.
@jregley "Needs of the many outweight needs of the few, bucko."
Who are the many? Who are the few? Who gets to decide what title applies to whom?
And what if the few the many depend on give them the bird and refuse to cooperate? You're not going to get a brain surgery by holding a doctor at gunpoint.
And government healthcare certainly isn't saving doctors' lives.
@jregley And I do abide by the laws, but a law is not always moral. Bear in mind that the law once declared blacks to be an inferior race who were not entitled to the rights of man. I shall also point you to the Nuremberg Laws as another example.
See, I do something called thinking. I don't just goosestep to government's decrees just because they're government decrees, without ever asking why.
@jregley Oh, and one more thing. Many doctors have already made it clear that they will not cooperate with the new law. What is your idea of what should happen to them? Bear in mind that punishing them will not make them use their skills.
And if your solution is to punish them, explain to me what kind of right requires such actions?
Where's your academic sources about doctors not cooperating?
They'd better cooperate or they're going to be out of a job.
"What is your idea...?"
^ Have their medical license terminated and revoked. The government administers, regulates, and hands out/revokes those licenses, so they get to set the rules.
What right requires such actions? Not complying with the LAW, that's what.
Can you maybe post one coherent post without comparing things to the USSR or the Third Reich's Germany?
Oh, and from 1939-1991 the USSR was the world's most powerful nation.
If you think we could have conventionally defeated 40,000 main battle tanks, 5,000,000 well-equipped and trained Red Army troops, and the world's largest army, air force, and second largest navy, you need a serious reality check.
Yup, I bet those National Guardsmen up in Alaska with ex-Governor I-quit Sarah Palin would have stopped a Soviet attack cold.
@jregley If the USSR was so powerful, why were they do desperate to make the US reduce our nuclear arsenal? Gee, maybe because we had them licked in said arsenal. Also, your hero nation couldn't defeat a bunch of guerrillas in Afghanistan, so I'm supposed to believe they could defeat the best-trained military on earth (we had quality, they only had quantity...which means more men to kill).
Hero-nation? Yeah, right, kid. Doesn't look like the bad-asstic US Armed Forces are doing that well in Afghanistan. Wasn't a good idea to arm said guerillas. Hopefully Charlie Wilson is burning in a circle in Hell for that one.
The best trained military on Earth? You mean one of the worst, right? When compared to our NATO allies, that is.
Oh wait, you do have your head up your ass, because you voted for George W. Bush.
@jregley Go to google and search "Doctors Shrug" and you'll find my academic source.
And putting them out of a job doesn't take away the skills they own and it deprives the looters of their skills. I hate to break your little dreamworld, but in this case, the doctors hold the upper hand.
An op-ed piece of "news" written totally out of context AND from 2003 is not an academic source. Neither is a blurb from a political think tank. All "Doctors Shrug" talks about is lawsuits on improper medical care.
A person close to me is going to be doing a very similar thing soon. I hope he gets hundreds of thousands of dollars in comp, because a drug company lied to the FDA and, essentially, poisoned him.
By the way- T-80 Main Battle Tank, SS-18 "Satan" ICBM. Wiki them.
No, Black people get to whine about racism because it's inherent in a lot of people in this country, which is a huge lot, possibly a majority, of people who live "down South".
I've seen the ugliness of this nation's thinking and such things won't go away. By the way, where do you live?
I'll start- I live in the United States's most prosperous state. It gives over 50 electoral votes in an election, and it is the world's seventh strongest economy. Basically where I live, we *ARE* the United States.
Oh, and there's a lot of hatred still about homosexual people. I happen to support same-sex marriage.
South Africa has legalized that. We should, too, and make every church abide by it, or they lose their tax-exempt status.
@jregley I have no control over where I was born, nor does it affect my beliefs. I'm an individual with the ability to make my own decisions about things. Furthermore, I don't give a damn where you live, so frankly, where I live is no concern of yours.
And I'm apolitical. I view both parties with the same distrust, though I will step in to defend either one when they are unfairly treated (just as any objective observer must).
@jregley And I voted for Bush in 2004, mainly because Kerry didn't appeal to me, I was young (I just turned eighteen), and I was new to elections. I've matured a lot since then.
By the way, if you voted for Obama, do I get to go after you when he wrecks our economy?
@sonrouge I don't think the economy can be wrecked more than BUSH did.. he inherited a huge surplus from Clinton and turn it into a deficit so large..well, we all know what happened....if you are not paying attention the recession is over thanks to Obama's efforts. it could have been a lot worse...
@JosecCuervo *snickers* Have you checked the level of our debt? Have you seen the unemployment numbers? Have you not heard China warning the US that we're being to reckless? My friend, the recession is far, far from over. It's something that has been decades in the making and the idea that one year's worth of action will end it is laughable.
@sonrouge kid, you just said you voted for the 1st time in 04 for Bush, when you were young..so don't try to argue politics with me..I've been voting. for way way longer than you have and having studied political science kind of put me a little bit over you on this. but hey , don't listen to me..just google ..reccession + over and tell me what you find..
@JosecCuervo Hmm, I believe lessons are best learned the hard way, so it doesn't matter to me what you believe. If the recession is over, good, if it isn't...well, you'll find out soon enough.
Oh, and time is no substitute for knowledge and acknowledgement of reality.
@sonrouge the only problem with your statement, is that , it is NOT what I believe, but what economists are saying around the country, including Alan Greenspan. As I said before..google the words recession, US , Over and tell me what you find.... I tried to post some links for you to educate you but youtube does not allow so do your own research.
Also, Edward Hudgins, author of said garbage article you told me to look up, wrote the horrible and bigoted article, "Allah Bless America".
The guy short-strokes it repeatedly to "Atlas Shrugged", which is one of the worst books EVER penned.
Said ultra-low-hit website I had to read this shit on is a LIBERTARIAN THINK TANK. Dude, you seriously need a dose of reality- the Libertarian party has NO POWER whatsoever, and it probably won't, so long as scum like Rand Paul are alive.
@jregley1 Demonstrating how much of an asshole you can be is not the way a man of reason wins a debate. Kindly come back when you've developed some manners.
I acted like a jerk to you as you did first by posting "ASSu..tion" quotes when, I was correct.
Come back when you actually get some actual concrete economic info regarding how Obama/Socialism is killing us.
Until then, Portugal, Russia, Angola, P.R.China, N.Korea, Syria, Egypt, Vietnam, France, Canada, and the rest of us extremely prosperous Socialist facet using followers are going to move on without you.
Miserable academic source, too, kid. It even had NO endnotes.
@jregley1 What does Sara Palin have to with the toughness and capability of Alaskan National Guard troops when they where facing a threat from the Soviets until the late 80's? I never been there but I would wager most Native Alaskans are a pretty wiley and savy people.. btw the SS-4 Sandal ICBM was a pathetic JOKE at best as far as being any real threat to NATO.. better part of the 50's they only had around half a dozen in service, all EXTREMELY vulnerable ,above ground, non-mobile,etc etc..
The SS-4 Sandal (ie- R-12 Dvina) a joke? Yeah, right.
THE THING CAUSED THE CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS.
Also, how were the Soviets able to make half a dozen of them in 1959 when it entered service on March 4th, 1959?
The thing is in amazing piece of equipment, it deterred US/NATO First Strike aggression, and when deployed in Cuba it could incinerate with a ~2,200km strike range most of the continental US, all of Texas (that I'd actually enjoy), as west as Nebraska, and as north as DC.
@jregley I have no doubt the Russians are extremely capable of destroying mankind several times over.. My response was to your statement "Soviets created the ICBM" and they " detonated the largest Atomic Bomb in history"..The SS-4 did develop into a nightmare scenario for the west, but in the 50's when the cold war was getting started, NATO would have "cleaned their clocks".
I would not want to put money on "NATO", against a then Soviet Army that had 25,000,000 troops and extremely powerful Chinese allies that WOULD intervene. The said thing happened in 1950-1953, man, it was called the Korean War, where Communists whooped our asses and our NATO friends, too.
The USSR *did* create the ICBM. They invented space travel, and an ICBM is an outer space rocket with a nuclear warhead on it.
@jregley1 Not to get involved in your debate, but China has embraced capitalism as its economic model and is kicking everyone's ass. Low taxes, low regulation, cheap to start and run a business there. That is what will make the US strong again, also.
What are your coordinates. We are re-deploying the Vancouver Canucks 'Green Men' to shadow the riot police...we won't be needing them until next season anyway.
i am a proud american of mexican descent and i love the teapartiers.. and the vast majority, like most americans, are NOT racist. Sic Semper Tamales!!!
@AskWhyNow2day True true. They're used to using the media to sway everyone's opinions and viciously attacking their opponents. Practically since day 1 of the protests, they called the Tea Party activists 'Racist' 'Ignorant' etc... Expecting they'd be demoralized and give up. Almost a year later they're still going strong, and STILL have no evidence of violence or racism. People are beginning to see the truth of the Media smears, and backing these average law abiding citizens.
@pwl1980 to do all of this, first the people have to be educated and understand how government has the power to make things worse. we've seen it under bush, we should be willing to open our eyes to see it's still going on. i just don't think we should be so pessimistic when most people just don't understand what's going on. you can't support obama's "idealistic" rhetoric in 08 and then defend his "pragmatism" when he's not getting it done.
@pwl1980 "never been done anywhere so there is no fucking way any politician risk it" you make a good point...so don't you think there SHOULD be a politician that WILL risk his career to do the right thing? it seems as though you agree with all the problems that you bring up, we just need the right person to address them. it won't happen by the next election but elections are short term goals, a peaceful revolution are long term prospects.
@pwl1980 "I say show me one country that successfully went austrian and we can talk about it." The USA before the federal reserve act. not saying there weren't problems but we were way better off then. i think it's a self-defeatist attitude to say that all these problems are beyond the president's reach. you seem to at least consider both sides, more than obama does anyway. so don't you think if YOU were president, you would at least address them? and no one is saying this will change overnight.
@pwl1980 don't worry about the long post, and thanks for not resorting to calling tea partiers racist or radical. the framers intended on the states being experiments anyway by giving more powers to the states as opposed to centralized planning. that way it's easier to see what works and what doesn't. but anyway, don't you think that all this unending deficit spending and war expansion is considered "conducting experiments" anyway? the results from all those bailouts can be catastrophic.
@Metool2 My side? Bitch I'm not on any side. If I was I would be on the side of sensibility.
Sorry if I don't fucking come out crying for you when "YOUR SIDE" (the idiots with there head in the fucking sand 99% of the time) don't denounce the police state when it happens to other people.
You mother fuckers get woke up one day, see whats going on and expect the rest of us that have been living it for 30 years to cry for you.
@SourceCode2006 of COURSE your not on any side... How foolish of me. Of course you still don't understand the situation, that this particularly movement has caused NO violence, damage, or anything in over a year of demonstrating, and then get treated like their dangerous. But you wouldn't understand that, as I can assume by the way you type, that your not exactly the 'non-threatening' or 'non-violent' type.
@Metool2 Mat 1st was the anniversary of Kent State.
Do you remember what happened there? Were those violent protests?
Give me a break. You are treating you're a bunch of fascist assholes that only want your elected leaders to control all of our lives. Everything else is bullshit.
You say no big government? Where are the teabaggers on SB1070?
You complain about taxes, Obama lowered taxes for 95% of working people. What are you really mad about? It's a bunch of fucking lies on your side.
@SourceCode2006 Yeah, he lowered taxes and cranked up spending to absurd levels, which.. guess what? Will ensure we will be taxed to death later. But you really don't think about that do you? They do. They realize that the taxes hes levying on businesses, and the debt he's creating will turn around and bite the citizens in the backside. And SB1070 doesn't create big government, it only enforces laws ALREADY in place. You're buying into the lies being fed to you without checking facts.
sorry miss, they think the constitution is a "living document". It will take a lot of talking.I hope.
halloranedward 1 month ago
You did not worship the almighty Obama .....Obama is a Coward !!
patriciaannpat 8 months ago
Vote Ron Paul for president in 2012, he will put a stop to all this police state crap
DaveSquibbSr 8 months ago
Did the riot police confront them? No they did not. Guess what this is more Tea Party propaganda bs.
lovecraftis 9 months ago
Now you know very slightly what is like for all 'commie' protesters who don't agree with your right-wing adgenda! Let's see how you feel if you ever get beaten, shot or gassed.
strangerrandomthe 10 months ago
They told me that if I voted for McCain, we'd see jack-booted police on orders from the White House marching through the streets quelling dissent. And they were right!
RadAntelope 10 months ago
If the Tea Party wants to continue acting like terrorists they deserve to have riot police called on them. Bust their scumbag heads wide open.
lovecraftis 10 months ago
@lovecraftis how's a peaceful march acting like terrorists?
kevyster 9 months ago
@kevyster The fact that the Tea Party has called for arm revolt is terrorism. Riot police were called in to make sure nothing happened. Did the riot police confront the people? No they did not.
lovecraftis 9 months ago
@lovecraftis Revolt doesn't equal Terrorism or violence. You didn't answer how a Peaceful March is equal to terrorism. Do you consider our founding Fathers to be terrorists? You're just pissed over what happen in November 2010. In fact Ghandi and the Civil rights movement both called for a revolt that was peaceful. Do you consider those acts of terrorism? Think it over before you respond
kevyster 9 months ago
@kevyster What do I have to be pissed about? Calling for people to take up arms against the government is a criminal act. Ghandi & the Civil Rights Movement were for non-violent protest. Fact before this march Tea party reps made public statements calling for violence (which is a terrorist act). Again the police did not confront the people marching. The recent actions by the Tea Party have shown that he people funding it have their own political agenda.
lovecraftis 9 months ago
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DaveSquibbSr 8 months ago
@DaveSquibbSr Guess you need to listen to what the Tea Party has had to say. If you propose violent confrontation with the government don't be surprised if the police show up at your protest. Maybe YOU should get all the facts and not just what the TEA Party says before making unfounded accusations.
lovecraftis 8 months ago
@lovecraftis I guess that you need to read what I said, I made no mention of violence, I am not a member of the tea party, although I have seen enough of them to know that if you think they are violent you need to quit watching mainstream news such as cnn, cbs, abc and find out what the tea party is really about, they speak about a peaceful revolution, I guess that makes them public enemy number 1 LMAO your not very bright to let the mainstream media fool you that way
DaveSquibbSr 8 months ago
@DaveSquibbSr Appears you're not very bright. By u I ment Tea Party supporters. I have gone to Tea Party meetings &they do talk about the need for violent revolt. As for mainstream news: when Tea Party members & spokepeople interviewed have said the same thing over & over it doesn't leave much doubt about their motives. U state u r not a member, but do seem to support them. LMAO Guess u r just really confused.
lovecraftis 8 months ago
@lovecraftis yes they talk about revolt by means of peaceful revolution, get off of mainstream tv and you will see just how carefully they cut the video clips to try to make the tea party look bad, any way I am done with this conversation, I do not have the time or the will to try to make a liberal understand anything
DaveSquibbSr 8 months ago
@DaveSquibbSr LOL The say crap like get your guns. Guess that sounds real peaceful to u? BTW I've heard similar Tea Party rants on FOX & in person at Tea party meetings. Guess when you're some delusional idiot ignoring reality & blaming the mainstream media makes more sense. I'm done dealing with your total ignorance.
lovecraftis 8 months ago
@DaveSquibbSr BTW I never said U proposed violence or were a member. Guess u need to read what people write before commenting.
lovecraftis 8 months ago
@DaveSquibbSr Love how you people r missing the point. Did the police confront the protesters? No they did not. Guess YOU should get YOUR facts straight.
lovecraftis 8 months ago
@raamses66
"President (bolshevik dictator) obama need to be thrown out of office.It is unnormal that a minority person rule an entire country without the abillity of the citizens to voice their opposition."
But they WERE able to voice their opposition. They protested, went home, and made a YouTube video about how "oppressed" they felt because riot police were there in case things turned to shit.
ShadowPa1adin 1 year ago
Now hold the phone i thought everyone loved NIGGER Obama
Auschwitz2012 1 year ago
@Auschwitz2012 First leave race out of this. The Tea Party is in opposition to Obama's bad policies, bailouts done under both Obama and Bush,jr, Career politicans from both political parties that refuse to listen to the American people. Half the country voted for Palin via McCain based on plicies NOT race, Gender,etc. It's not Obama's Black half nor White half we oppose. We do oppose Reid,Obama,Pelosi changing America into Europe West. That's it. We're sick of the Left 's racially obsessed crap.
kevyster 1 year ago
@kevyster More and more people in West Europe believe we need a "Tea Party" here, specially in Spain. The left's policies can't solve economic crisis. We need more freedom, we want the freedom of America. In Europe and Spain, we shall overcome too.
angelrogo 9 months ago
@angelrogo I know you don't have this holiday there but I'd want to wish you and all the Tea Party minded brothers and sisters across the pond a Happy Memorial Day. We will NOT submit to the Left's appeasement to Islamists nor accept their bad policies. Herman Cain 2012- Try playing the race card now Pinkos,lol God Bless US , Europe and the whole Free world.
kevyster 9 months ago
is this a nuther "WAAAA WAAAA THE PRESIDENT HAS POLICE WAA WAAA WAAA I DON'T CARE IF OTHERS HAVE HAD IT BEFOR!"
jannikmt 1 year ago
Why???? ...cause you weren't free to lynch Obama? Lying racist traitors to America.
JetMechMA 1 year ago
they told you that in school, Amy? well, maybe you should miss more days
ChillyDrags 1 year ago
Oh so America was free under Bush huh, what about the PATRIOT Act!!!
Cyburn2005 1 year ago
@raamses66 The fact he was elected and won seems to have slipped your mind. BTW unnormal isn't an actual word. For the record Obama has done nothing to take away anyone's right to voice their opposition. GW did that.
abrnt1 1 year ago
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sarahpoliticaljunkie 1 year ago
I feel awful that that mother is screwing up her child and perverting her sense of democracy to something sick and evil...cloak and dagger racism all the tea party is...
I was there at the rally. and the inside was much more more patriotic then that
sarahpoliticaljunkie 1 year ago
@sarahpoliticaljunkie how are the democrats doing this election?
kevyster 1 year ago
@kevyster voter apathy will have many truly sorry come January.
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tractorkid223 1 year ago
They "thought" they are getting in trouble? Really? Did anyone stop you from doing what you were doing? Did anyone go to jail, arrested, beaten? Hahahaha, Teanazis view of the world. Why don't you try participating in one of those Anarchist rallies and see how they are being treated--of course, for most part is a valid reaction by the law enforcement in dealing with rowdy crowd. But for fuck sake, how does a police officer standing by represent an oppression of freedom of speech?
ninuxy 1 year ago
@djk84 Hey, one bad apple spoils the bunch man. If one soldier from army A kills a soldier from army B, you bet that army B is going to go after all of army A.So if a portion of the tea party commits menacing acts, you must assume that everyone who agrees with them and is on their side is also capable of, or planning to commit those same acts.
floyd741 1 year ago
Total bs. Obama cannot order police to do anything. that's local government.
abrnt1 1 year ago 2
Hitler's youth was also referred to as the innocent young.
XXninjakatanaXX 1 year ago
Democrats= Commie hippies.
skinhead5 1 year ago
@zionistboy Never forget Ken Gladney, You are a true patriot and what a freed Black man is really looks like. God Bless Foxnews, NBRA, Project21, C.U.R.E. and last but by no means lest, The Tea Party movement. Oh and Fuck you SSEIU/ACORN, NBPP,etc. We may forgive but we will NEVER forget
kevyster 1 year ago
@zionistboy what's up
kevyster 1 year ago
BTW with respect to this video, I am old enough to remember when the US was still a free country.
eaglecry1957 1 year ago
@eaglecry1957 ????? I dont understand I thought the US is still a free country?
wowamonn 1 year ago
@wowamonn since when your 1st and 4th roghts wher taken away years ago and now the same people are makeing everyone think the others are doing it by warning about gun law bills like... NO FRIKING SEMMI ATOMATICS THAT THE MILITRY USES, yes handguns used by people who comit crime more like pors use smugeled ones but a great deal of all guns used in crimes are regested, i just think that idiots,mentaly unstabl idioots should not have guns
jannikmt 1 year ago
@eaglecry1957 The government likes to say that but we are not free anymore. The government ignores the Constitution on a regular basis.
baddmaddogg 1 year ago
@baddmaddogg ya with republicans being the leading party in this
jannikmt 1 year ago
(cont)..and it was developed by captured Germans because Stalin knew the USAF "manned Bomber" was in full swing and they where atleast 15 yrs behind in getting a true Strategic Bomber of their own , unless you count the TU-4 which was nothing more than a "rivot for rivot" copy of the B-29..and the "Czar Bomba" detenation was more of the same.. a non-practical(useless) weapon,designed for show..
1z1q 1 year ago
@1z1q
Then what was MOAB, which was done FIRST? Why'd the Russian Federation do FOAB in response?
1) To show they are the foremost leaders in anything having to do with nuclear weapons or outer space travel.
2) To one-up us.
Who the fuck cares about your totally inaccurate and misguided history lessons of the second world war? Our "strategic bomber arsenal" was VERY small and if we nuked Russia we'd face 50,000,000 Soviet troops and the REST OF THE WORLD allied WITH them.
jregley 1 year ago
@1z1q
watch?v=DSA7Evcy7iE
-I want you to watch that. It is the trailer to "Thirteen Days" and features the SS-4 SANDAL.
By the way, if you had any reading comprehension, the nuclear ICBM part code I sent to "sonrouge" was the SS-18 (NATO- "SATAN") which is the world's foremost nuclear ICBM and boasts a horrifying striking range of over 16,000km and can carry over 10 nuclear warheads because it is a MIRV.
It can hit any region on the GLOBE, minus parts of N.Zealand and South America.
jregley 1 year ago
THEY SHALL OVER COME WHAT???? THAT CHANT MAKES NO SENSE!!! GOD ANSWERS PRAYERS TO THOSE SUFFERING NOT TO THOSE WHO CAUSE THE SUFFERING...
simplementesandra 1 year ago
FROM THE MOUTH OF BABES!!
CTastic1 1 year ago
Fairly sad to see that children possess more morals and since of government than most member of congress. I hope she always continues to stand for her beliefs. Well put Child in Quincy!
bettermember 1 year ago
LOL! Its only the start. With the "patriot act" we lost our rights! I find the patriot act unconstitutional and can allow for crooked agents to take you away with no warrant for unlimited time. A 16 Year old boy was taken for over 2 months. But Terrorist go to public jails and have lawyers and they are not citizens of this country! They are the enemy! Obama approved the Patriot act after he came in to office & said he would get rid of it.
dpchrist26 1 year ago
I took a couple seconds to actually look up the facts. The one who called in the riot police was not in fact obama, as the video suggests, it was Quincy Deputy Police Chief Ron Dreyer. At one point a secret service agent asked the group to step back to make room for the motorcade, but they didn't. At that point, the police chief called in the riot police, just to make sure the motorcade got off. Obama never asked his service or the police to do anything about it- it was standard procedure.
LtBeefy91 1 year ago 2
ummm.....
President Obama wasn't the one who ordered riot police to watch a protest in Illinois. There was no such executive order- no record of any order at all. In fact, the president would not even bother with this, I'm quite sure the only immediate authority would be under the head of police in that county.
They lied to the child in this video so she wouldn't like the president. President Obama did not give an order to deploy riot police in illinois- that's not my opinion, that's a fact.
LtBeefy91 1 year ago
Obama is a marxist. Step by step he's doing his marxist thing.
AskWhyNow2day 1 year ago
Pathetic. Really sad. Your side lost. Get the f*ck over it. All I heard throughout the Clinton administration was how it was the end of the world. The economy was sound and everyone was working. For 8 years!!! By the way, anytime that a party does 2 terms in the Oval Office, you can bet your ass that the next term will be the other party. Get a life, Tea-Baggers (& y'all are so lame as to not even get what that really MEANS)!!! Amazing.
anglomik 1 year ago 2
@jinkerGM And you're the ones still crying "Racism!" after declaring Obama's election to be "the dream come to pass".
sonrouge 1 year ago
@sonrouge Man, you have a lot of time on your hands to reply to everyone....
You are God damned right we are calling racism. Where were all you Tea Baggers when Bush was in office destroying our rights, the economy, and our reputation?
To me it looks like all you Tea Baggers are just pissed off that a black man is the President , either that or you're just so stupid that you will do whatever the Republicans tell you to do, even if it goes against your own interests.
Do me a favor kid, STFU.
jinkerGM 1 year ago
@jinkerGM Hmm, give reality my regards when it teaches you the hard way.
By the way, thanks so much, my boy, for demonstrating with your attitude, ignorance and foul language, who the better man is.
sonrouge 1 year ago
@jinkerGM By the way, can you even prove I'm part of the Tea Party or that I'm a Republican, or are you just making an ASSumption?
sonrouge 1 year ago
@jinkerGM Fuck your racism. The tea Party movements were started about 12 years ago from government over spending. It has been steadily growing ever since. They were there protesting Bush Amigo. Open your dumb racist eyes to reality. We are FIGHTING FOR AMERICA not each other over your fucking skin color. Get a grip on reality. THE COUNTRY IS DOOMED. I don't care what color your skin is, I am going to save myself before I save you.
CTastic1 1 year ago
@Roy13161 Bear in mind that it was Northern aggression that started the Civil War, not Southern Cecession. The South just wanted to be left alone.
sonrouge 1 year ago
@sonrouge very true, because america is notorious for taking land and not fond of giving up any. I feel that the south(in general, of course) is living in the past. there are too many people that have a strong belief in traditionalism. which really hinders the countries ability to evolve. their afraid of the unknown.
Roy13161 1 year ago
@jregley Do you see anything in the Constitution that grants the president a say in how healthcare works?
And I can rail against adding 30-40 million uninsured because need is not a claim on the lives of others (in this case, healthcare providers.)
sonrouge 1 year ago
@ZrazorRozenstrauch Am I to assume that was your view of the people protesting Bush, or do you support double-standards?
sonrouge 1 year ago
@sonrouge That was more to point out the patent ridiculousness of the assumption that big bad Obama specifically sent out riot police to squash protesters like some kind of fascist monster or that their presence at the protest was infringing upon anyone's rights. Protesters weren't assaulted or disrupted by police. Standard security measures were taken and they just stood there with shields. And yet Teabaggers claim that this is some massive affront to the first amendment. Rather silly.
ZrazorRozenstrauch 1 year ago
@ZrazorRozenstrauch Perhaps, but it should still raise at least some concern when police are called out in full riot gear for people who not once demonstrated any hostility and whose protests are generally peaceful.
sonrouge 1 year ago
@sonrouge Then I will posit a similar question to the one you originally asked me. Were you disturbed or concerned at images of riot police at any of the numerous peaceful protests against Bush or the Iraq war or whatever earlier in the decade, or do YOU support double standards?
ZrazorRozenstrauch 1 year ago
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sonrouge 1 year ago
@sonrouge Something I do remember from when Bush was in office was that people were calling for his assassination and expressing support for the people we were fighting against in Iraq; things like that do warrant caution. I also read of a few instances where they did get violent.
sonrouge 1 year ago
@sonrouge And I believe two or three actual assassination plots against Obama were uncovered and thwarted within his first year of office. Obama is, from what I'm seeing, considerably more controversial and reviled by his opponents here in the US than Bush ever was (Bush was more hated internationally), so I'd say even more precautions are probably warranted, especially considering these incidents I'm hearing of where Teabaggers are spitting on senators, etc.
ZrazorRozenstrauch 1 year ago
@ZrazorRozenstrauch The government, she concludes, may not express its disfavor with an opinion or speaker by burdening them with restrictions or prohibitions, unless it can show that their speech is causing some type of public harm.
So, what she is saying is, Government will decide what constitutes public harm and restrict free speech accordingly.
She will do the same for gun rights as she would like to do for free speech.
NotEasilyRegimented 1 year ago
@NotEasilyRegimented
Dat be Kagan
NotEasilyRegimented 1 year ago
@donwilli So says the one playing the race card with no solid proof of racism other than opposing Obama, which last I checked, was protected under the First Amendment.
What happened to dissent being the highest form of patriotism?
sonrouge 1 year ago
@sonrouge i have no problem with dissent. i do have a problem with people not being real about their issues. do i love everything obama does because he's black? NO! I can be real about not agreeing with government policy. These people and people like them hide racist ideology behind the first amendment, and then say "no i have no problem with a black president. i just don't like his policies" BULLSHIT. nobody was saying i want my country back when we had a white president.
donwilli 1 year ago
@donwilli It doesn't matter if it's real or not, it's protected. I can think of quite a few lunatics who protested during the Bush administration (Sheehan being #1), yet no one once suggested they had no right to voice their opinion. You have the right to be wrong.
sonrouge 1 year ago
@donwilli Can you prove they weren't? Not everyone takes up a sign when they protest; they write their senator, they vote, they sign petitions, etc. Also, during the Bush administration, the media's focus was on anti-war protests and the wars, yet we both know there were other things going on at the time.
sonrouge 1 year ago
@sonrouge not for nothing but i did security for second Bush inauguration, and though I didn't vote for him I laughed at the people who came there to protest. you know why? because # 1 he won fair and square and there was the liberal protesters could do about it and # 2 waving signs and yelling things at him wasn't gonna turn him into the person they wish he was, so for the people "fightin' to keep their freedom" from the "nazi" obama, he won fair and square live with it your president is black
donwilli 1 year ago
@donwilli His electoral victory doesn't give him a blank check on power, so people are entitled to protest when he takes actions that are detrimental to their freedom (his recent healthcare bill being a blatant, undeniable example).
sonrouge 1 year ago
@donwilli Also, what about the blacks among the Tea Parties? Are they racist as well?
sonrouge 1 year ago
@sonrouge as far as a blank check on power, without the congress and the senate nothing becomes law, so all this everything is Obama's fault, he's single handedly taking the country to ruin WRONG. and with regards to to blacks in the tea party i never said that all people who protest Obama are racist. i was making the point that u have people who are protesting just because he's black like i made the point about people being mad that Bush won the 2nd time. and btw have u ever heard of uncle toms
donwilli 1 year ago
@donwilli Which party is the majority in Congress? Obama's.
And yes, I've heard that term, which seems to mean any African-American who has self-esteem and doesn't need to whine about racism to get anywhere in life.
sonrouge 1 year ago
@sonrouge obviously your idea of Uncle Tom is a bit off, but none the even though Obama's party has a majority Obama is NOT the Congress or Senate. So with all "Power" he supposedly has, he is NOT the supreme overlord that "Some Americans" have made him out to be. How's about this. You vote for Sarah Palin in 2012 so she can quit in the middle of her term again, and then we'll see who really shouldn't have been in office in the first place.
donwilli 1 year ago
@donwilli It can't be denied that Obama has taken many actions that violate the oath he swore when he took office. It is Congress'es job to make sure he doesn't do that, yet they are taking no action to stop him and are, at times, vocally supporting said violations. The checks and balances idea of government only works if the different parts of the government do their jobs, which isn't happening.
sonrouge 1 year ago
@sonrouge ok so give me an example of something the president has done that was against the law (because the constitution is the LAW)
donwilli 1 year ago
@donwilli The Tenth Amendment of the Constitution states that any powers not granted to the Federal government, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved for the states of the people. There's nothing in the Constitution allowing government to require people buy health insurance, there's nothing in it allowing government to use taxpayer money to bail out private businesses/banks...
sonrouge 1 year ago
@donwilli There's nothing in it granting government any say in private businesses (eg, doctors and health insurance providers), etc.
sonrouge 1 year ago
@sonrouge Really so that's your big problem? So how about you don't purchase health insurance and next time you get sick you can pay the full bill by yourself. See how that works out. And as far as the bail outs, (little known secret) THOSE WERE STARTED BY PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH IN 2008. I think we are done here. Good day sir.
donwilli 1 year ago
@donwilli Yes, yes, and I was against them at that time as well. But, and this fact is indisuputable no matter how many tantrums you throw: Obama continued them. Really, you must stop making ASSumptions about me, my friend; it demeans you.
And if I decide not to get health insurance, that is my right and the payment of the bill is my concern, not the government's.
sonrouge 1 year ago
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donwilli 1 year ago
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@sonrouge you say I shouldn't make assumptions, but I have nothing to go on but your own words. Obama may not be perfect but the man is not trying to fuck up the country with no regard of how it's gonna effect the people of the United States. But you know what I guess you're right. Obama is a commi nazi looking to enslave America under them rule of islam, and all who voted for him should be charged with treason and labeled as enemies of the state, and thrown in Gitmo for eternity.
donwilli 1 year ago
@sonrouge
This is a pretty weak argument when you're asking if there is healthcare in the Constitution regarding it.
I seriously don't think the Framers defined the healthcare issue. They're all dead, and they've been dead for, what, 200+ years?
By the way, you already lost the war due to the fact that Congress passed a bill on the subject for 80 million Americans.
Also, if you are on the conservative side, what a joke about the war? Guess your side regarding weapons spending doesn't count.
jregley 1 year ago
@jregley If my argument is weak, then it shouldn't be too hard for you to challenge it. Tell me, by what right does government dictate what a person's private skills are to be used for? Also, I take it you support a return of the military draft as well?
As for losing "the war", if you think Congress passing the bill is going to stop the economic law of supply and demand, reality is going to give you one hell of a wake up.
sonrouge 1 year ago
@sonrouge Oh, and one more thing, were you among the people who raised a ruckus everytime Bush took action that violated the Constitution? You can't demand one president follow it, then turn around and give the next a free pass.
sonrouge 1 year ago
@sonrouge
"And if I decide not to get health insurance..."
^ This is retarded. Enjoy getting fined. Or getting sent a massive bill when you actually need health coverage and don't have it.
And the Constitution/Bill of Rights is EXTREMELY VAGUE and needs modification.
Take the 2nd Amendment, for instance. It has NO APPLICATION whatsoever in the modern world. For all intents and purposes it might even mean that you just have the right to have hands and phlanges.
jregley 1 year ago
@jregley Who and by what right gets to decide what kind of modification the Bill of Rights/Constitution needs?
sonrouge 1 year ago
@sonrouge
Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election?
jregley 1 year ago
@jregley None of your business.
sonrouge 1 year ago
@sonrouge
I already challenged your arguments and refuted it. What "private skills"???
You see, the government essentially controls you because you must live and abide by its laws. I do.
I don't support Forced Conscription.
Essentially, you are a Libertarian, which are sissy and pussy versions of Republicans.
Grow a sack and abide by the law. If you don't have health insurance, get some or pay the price.
Besides, it's a humane issue anyway. It's MEDICAL CARE for those who NEED it.
jregley 1 year ago
@jregley The knowledge of how to perform a brain surgery, in the case of healthcare. Only the person who devoted the years of study to gain that skill owns it.
So you don't support the draft, but you believe the government can say "Get health insurance or else". How is that different from "Go fight in a war or else"?
sonrouge 1 year ago
@jregley Furthermore, need is not a claim on the lives of others. Is their need going to build them a home, or is a person's ability? Is their need going to grow them food, or is a person's ability? You get the idea.
No man of ability is going to become a milch cow for anybody. Just ask the former Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.
sonrouge 1 year ago
@sonrouge
Needs of the many outweight needs of the few, bucko.
Not only are your posts erratic, you make little sense, have zero academic sources whatsoever, support joke political movements, and use Libertarianism as a front for personal greed.
Here's how government healthcare's different than Forced Conscription- it's dedicated to saving lives, not ending them.
Sorry, but you're going to pay for the needy's healthcare needs, whether you like it or not. You're paying for it right now.
jregley 1 year ago
@jregley "Needs of the many outweight needs of the few, bucko."
Who are the many? Who are the few? Who gets to decide what title applies to whom?
And what if the few the many depend on give them the bird and refuse to cooperate? You're not going to get a brain surgery by holding a doctor at gunpoint.
And government healthcare certainly isn't saving doctors' lives.
sonrouge 1 year ago
@jregley One more thing; greed is defined as "excessive desire". Who and by what right gets to define exactly what "excessive" means?
sonrouge 1 year ago
@jregley And I do abide by the laws, but a law is not always moral. Bear in mind that the law once declared blacks to be an inferior race who were not entitled to the rights of man. I shall also point you to the Nuremberg Laws as another example.
See, I do something called thinking. I don't just goosestep to government's decrees just because they're government decrees, without ever asking why.
sonrouge 1 year ago
@jregley Oh, and one more thing. Many doctors have already made it clear that they will not cooperate with the new law. What is your idea of what should happen to them? Bear in mind that punishing them will not make them use their skills.
And if your solution is to punish them, explain to me what kind of right requires such actions?
sonrouge 1 year ago
@sonrouge
Where's your academic sources about doctors not cooperating?
They'd better cooperate or they're going to be out of a job.
"What is your idea...?"
^ Have their medical license terminated and revoked. The government administers, regulates, and hands out/revokes those licenses, so they get to set the rules.
What right requires such actions? Not complying with the LAW, that's what.
Can you maybe post one coherent post without comparing things to the USSR or the Third Reich's Germany?
jregley 1 year ago
@jregley
Oh, and from 1939-1991 the USSR was the world's most powerful nation.
If you think we could have conventionally defeated 40,000 main battle tanks, 5,000,000 well-equipped and trained Red Army troops, and the world's largest army, air force, and second largest navy, you need a serious reality check.
Yup, I bet those National Guardsmen up in Alaska with ex-Governor I-quit Sarah Palin would have stopped a Soviet attack cold.
jregley 1 year ago
@jregley If the USSR was so powerful, why were they do desperate to make the US reduce our nuclear arsenal? Gee, maybe because we had them licked in said arsenal. Also, your hero nation couldn't defeat a bunch of guerrillas in Afghanistan, so I'm supposed to believe they could defeat the best-trained military on earth (we had quality, they only had quantity...which means more men to kill).
sonrouge 1 year ago
@sonrouge
Dude, you got your head up your ass?
Hero-nation? Yeah, right, kid. Doesn't look like the bad-asstic US Armed Forces are doing that well in Afghanistan. Wasn't a good idea to arm said guerillas. Hopefully Charlie Wilson is burning in a circle in Hell for that one.
The best trained military on Earth? You mean one of the worst, right? When compared to our NATO allies, that is.
Oh wait, you do have your head up your ass, because you voted for George W. Bush.
jregley1 1 year ago
@sonrouge
You seriously need to Wikipedia "START" and "SALT".
Where, exactly, do you have your college education from? Seriously.
No, we didn't, dumbass. The Soviets invented the ICBM and the Russian Federation has detonated the largest nuclear warhead ever.
Even the Wikipedia page on Russia lists that the "Russian Federation has the world's largest WMD stockpile."
Given that you are 24, tops, I am unsurprised at your lack of not only education, but just world knowledge in general.
jregley1 1 year ago
@jregley Go to google and search "Doctors Shrug" and you'll find my academic source.
And putting them out of a job doesn't take away the skills they own and it deprives the looters of their skills. I hate to break your little dreamworld, but in this case, the doctors hold the upper hand.
sonrouge 1 year ago
@sonrouge
An op-ed piece of "news" written totally out of context AND from 2003 is not an academic source. Neither is a blurb from a political think tank. All "Doctors Shrug" talks about is lawsuits on improper medical care.
A person close to me is going to be doing a very similar thing soon. I hope he gets hundreds of thousands of dollars in comp, because a drug company lied to the FDA and, essentially, poisoned him.
By the way- T-80 Main Battle Tank, SS-18 "Satan" ICBM. Wiki them.
jregley1 1 year ago
@jregley Also, why don't you ask my views instead of making ASSumptions about them. I can tell you right now you're missing every swing.
sonrouge 1 year ago
@sonrouge
No, Black people get to whine about racism because it's inherent in a lot of people in this country, which is a huge lot, possibly a majority, of people who live "down South".
I've seen the ugliness of this nation's thinking and such things won't go away. By the way, where do you live?
jregley 1 year ago
@jregley
I'll start- I live in the United States's most prosperous state. It gives over 50 electoral votes in an election, and it is the world's seventh strongest economy. Basically where I live, we *ARE* the United States.
Oh, and there's a lot of hatred still about homosexual people. I happen to support same-sex marriage.
South Africa has legalized that. We should, too, and make every church abide by it, or they lose their tax-exempt status.
jregley 1 year ago
@jregley Again, none of your business. Where I live has no bearing on who I am.
sonrouge 1 year ago
@sonrouge
Where you live exactly has a LOT on who you are, including your family's economic/social/religious backgrounds.
There's something called "Party I.D" which I remember finitely from PoliSci.
I'm making it my business. Apparently courtesy applies to me but not to you.
Who'd ya vote for? Republican, probably, you loser. If you don't want people assuming things, get some balls and tell us who ya voted for.
Way to join YT's "cesspool of hate" all day. You must be real proud.
jregley 1 year ago
@jregley I have no control over where I was born, nor does it affect my beliefs. I'm an individual with the ability to make my own decisions about things. Furthermore, I don't give a damn where you live, so frankly, where I live is no concern of yours.
And I'm apolitical. I view both parties with the same distrust, though I will step in to defend either one when they are unfairly treated (just as any objective observer must).
sonrouge 1 year ago
@jregley And I voted for Bush in 2004, mainly because Kerry didn't appeal to me, I was young (I just turned eighteen), and I was new to elections. I've matured a lot since then.
By the way, if you voted for Obama, do I get to go after you when he wrecks our economy?
sonrouge 1 year ago
@sonrouge I don't think the economy can be wrecked more than BUSH did.. he inherited a huge surplus from Clinton and turn it into a deficit so large..well, we all know what happened....if you are not paying attention the recession is over thanks to Obama's efforts. it could have been a lot worse...
JosecCuervo 1 year ago
@JosecCuervo *snickers* Have you checked the level of our debt? Have you seen the unemployment numbers? Have you not heard China warning the US that we're being to reckless? My friend, the recession is far, far from over. It's something that has been decades in the making and the idea that one year's worth of action will end it is laughable.
sonrouge 1 year ago
@sonrouge kid, you just said you voted for the 1st time in 04 for Bush, when you were young..so don't try to argue politics with me..I've been voting. for way way longer than you have and having studied political science kind of put me a little bit over you on this. but hey , don't listen to me..just google ..reccession + over and tell me what you find..
JosecCuervo 1 year ago
@JosecCuervo Hmm, I believe lessons are best learned the hard way, so it doesn't matter to me what you believe. If the recession is over, good, if it isn't...well, you'll find out soon enough.
Oh, and time is no substitute for knowledge and acknowledgement of reality.
sonrouge 1 year ago
@sonrouge the only problem with your statement, is that , it is NOT what I believe, but what economists are saying around the country, including Alan Greenspan. As I said before..google the words recession, US , Over and tell me what you find.... I tried to post some links for you to educate you but youtube does not allow so do your own research.
JosecCuervo 1 year ago
@JosecCuervo Already have.
sonrouge 1 year ago
@sonrouge
Also, Edward Hudgins, author of said garbage article you told me to look up, wrote the horrible and bigoted article, "Allah Bless America".
The guy short-strokes it repeatedly to "Atlas Shrugged", which is one of the worst books EVER penned.
Said ultra-low-hit website I had to read this shit on is a LIBERTARIAN THINK TANK. Dude, you seriously need a dose of reality- the Libertarian party has NO POWER whatsoever, and it probably won't, so long as scum like Rand Paul are alive.
jregley1 1 year ago
@sonrouge *snickers*? what are we 12?
JosecCuervo 1 year ago
@sonrouge
"Have you checked the level of our debt?"
-What, over 5.5 trillion plus, to Communists?
jregley1 1 year ago
@jregley1 Demonstrating how much of an asshole you can be is not the way a man of reason wins a debate. Kindly come back when you've developed some manners.
sonrouge 1 year ago
@sonrouge
I acted like a jerk to you as you did first by posting "ASSu..tion" quotes when, I was correct.
Come back when you actually get some actual concrete economic info regarding how Obama/Socialism is killing us.
Until then, Portugal, Russia, Angola, P.R.China, N.Korea, Syria, Egypt, Vietnam, France, Canada, and the rest of us extremely prosperous Socialist facet using followers are going to move on without you.
Miserable academic source, too, kid. It even had NO endnotes.
jregley1 1 year ago
@jregley1 What does Sara Palin have to with the toughness and capability of Alaskan National Guard troops when they where facing a threat from the Soviets until the late 80's? I never been there but I would wager most Native Alaskans are a pretty wiley and savy people.. btw the SS-4 Sandal ICBM was a pathetic JOKE at best as far as being any real threat to NATO.. better part of the 50's they only had around half a dozen in service, all EXTREMELY vulnerable ,above ground, non-mobile,etc etc..
1z1q 1 year ago
@1z1q
The SS-4 Sandal (ie- R-12 Dvina) a joke? Yeah, right.
THE THING CAUSED THE CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS.
Also, how were the Soviets able to make half a dozen of them in 1959 when it entered service on March 4th, 1959?
The thing is in amazing piece of equipment, it deterred US/NATO First Strike aggression, and when deployed in Cuba it could incinerate with a ~2,200km strike range most of the continental US, all of Texas (that I'd actually enjoy), as west as Nebraska, and as north as DC.
jregley 1 year ago
@jregley I have no doubt the Russians are extremely capable of destroying mankind several times over.. My response was to your statement "Soviets created the ICBM" and they " detonated the largest Atomic Bomb in history"..The SS-4 did develop into a nightmare scenario for the west, but in the 50's when the cold war was getting started, NATO would have "cleaned their clocks".
1z1q 1 year ago
@1z1q
I would not want to put money on "NATO", against a then Soviet Army that had 25,000,000 troops and extremely powerful Chinese allies that WOULD intervene. The said thing happened in 1950-1953, man, it was called the Korean War, where Communists whooped our asses and our NATO friends, too.
The USSR *did* create the ICBM. They invented space travel, and an ICBM is an outer space rocket with a nuclear warhead on it.
Thank you also for your refraining of profanity.
jregley 1 year ago
@1z1q ussr had the remanents of the coalittion forces that destroyed germany, when they invaded berlin they had the largest coallition in the world
tumaieslaflaca 1 year ago
@jregley1 Not to get involved in your debate, but China has embraced capitalism as its economic model and is kicking everyone's ass. Low taxes, low regulation, cheap to start and run a business there. That is what will make the US strong again, also.
eaglecry1957 1 year ago
@anglomik Anyone ever tell you that when you assume something, it makes an ass out of you and me?
sonrouge 1 year ago
@sonrouge witty comment (as if was the 1st time I heard it back in 1972), but it hardly addressed the point I raised.
anglomik 1 year ago
This is a show of force. Intended to frighten the Tea Party goers. Plain to see for anyone with a brain and eyes.
Why would Obama allow this to happen? Rest assured, if he didn't want it to happen, it wouldn't happen.
NotEasilyRegimented 1 year ago
99% of blacks voted for Obama. That's racism.
AskWhyNow2day 1 year ago
What the fudge is this crap, and that singing is craaaazy annoying.
sktigerjs 1 year ago
it won't surprise me within this 1st term of obama if riot or militarized police just open fire on these tea party protesters.
Y2YAY 1 year ago
What are your coordinates. We are re-deploying the Vancouver Canucks 'Green Men' to shadow the riot police...we won't be needing them until next season anyway.
BigTurkey562001 1 year ago
@papavalium do you know the difference between know and no? Your the one that needs to go to school.
delreydavid 1 year ago
Tea baggers brainwahing their children to hate the government.
delreydavid 1 year ago 2
@delreydavid No, parents teaching their children that the government doesn't have a say in how they live their lives.
You want brainwashing, go check out what schools are having children do for dear leader.
sonrouge 1 year ago
Those infidels(terroists) in riot gear need a good ass whoopin!
feud1111 1 year ago
i am a proud american of mexican descent and i love the teapartiers.. and the vast majority, like most americans, are NOT racist. Sic Semper Tamales!!!
soopermexican 1 year ago
Way to exploit your children to advance your political agenda. You should be ashamed.
DesertBell 1 year ago
The tea party rallies scare the lefties because they thought they had corrupted everyone to the point of either silence or complicity.
The Left was known in ancient times as sodomites. And as well know by now, all the sodomites were not homosexuals, just their pals and supporters.
AskWhyNow2day 1 year ago
@AskWhyNow2day True true. They're used to using the media to sway everyone's opinions and viciously attacking their opponents. Practically since day 1 of the protests, they called the Tea Party activists 'Racist' 'Ignorant' etc... Expecting they'd be demoralized and give up. Almost a year later they're still going strong, and STILL have no evidence of violence or racism. People are beginning to see the truth of the Media smears, and backing these average law abiding citizens.
Metool2 1 year ago
@AskWhyNow2day uh, yea...right.
anglomik 1 year ago
@XxUrSoLoStxX ok now i am bored so just stop mr. insult master and king just don't respond ok :(
mexicochicagoan 1 year ago
@pwl1980 to do all of this, first the people have to be educated and understand how government has the power to make things worse. we've seen it under bush, we should be willing to open our eyes to see it's still going on. i just don't think we should be so pessimistic when most people just don't understand what's going on. you can't support obama's "idealistic" rhetoric in 08 and then defend his "pragmatism" when he's not getting it done.
wunderbeast 1 year ago
@pwl1980 "never been done anywhere so there is no fucking way any politician risk it" you make a good point...so don't you think there SHOULD be a politician that WILL risk his career to do the right thing? it seems as though you agree with all the problems that you bring up, we just need the right person to address them. it won't happen by the next election but elections are short term goals, a peaceful revolution are long term prospects.
wunderbeast 1 year ago
@pwl1980 "I say show me one country that successfully went austrian and we can talk about it." The USA before the federal reserve act. not saying there weren't problems but we were way better off then. i think it's a self-defeatist attitude to say that all these problems are beyond the president's reach. you seem to at least consider both sides, more than obama does anyway. so don't you think if YOU were president, you would at least address them? and no one is saying this will change overnight.
wunderbeast 1 year ago
@pwl1980 don't worry about the long post, and thanks for not resorting to calling tea partiers racist or radical. the framers intended on the states being experiments anyway by giving more powers to the states as opposed to centralized planning. that way it's easier to see what works and what doesn't. but anyway, don't you think that all this unending deficit spending and war expansion is considered "conducting experiments" anyway? the results from all those bailouts can be catastrophic.
wunderbeast 1 year ago
@Metool2 My side? Bitch I'm not on any side. If I was I would be on the side of sensibility.
Sorry if I don't fucking come out crying for you when "YOUR SIDE" (the idiots with there head in the fucking sand 99% of the time) don't denounce the police state when it happens to other people.
You mother fuckers get woke up one day, see whats going on and expect the rest of us that have been living it for 30 years to cry for you.
Go fuck yourself.
SourceCode2006 1 year ago
@SourceCode2006 of COURSE your not on any side... How foolish of me. Of course you still don't understand the situation, that this particularly movement has caused NO violence, damage, or anything in over a year of demonstrating, and then get treated like their dangerous. But you wouldn't understand that, as I can assume by the way you type, that your not exactly the 'non-threatening' or 'non-violent' type.
Metool2 1 year ago
@Metool2 Mat 1st was the anniversary of Kent State.
Do you remember what happened there? Were those violent protests?
Give me a break. You are treating you're a bunch of fascist assholes that only want your elected leaders to control all of our lives. Everything else is bullshit.
You say no big government? Where are the teabaggers on SB1070?
You complain about taxes, Obama lowered taxes for 95% of working people. What are you really mad about? It's a bunch of fucking lies on your side.
SourceCode2006 1 year ago
@SourceCode2006 Yeah, he lowered taxes and cranked up spending to absurd levels, which.. guess what? Will ensure we will be taxed to death later. But you really don't think about that do you? They do. They realize that the taxes hes levying on businesses, and the debt he's creating will turn around and bite the citizens in the backside. And SB1070 doesn't create big government, it only enforces laws ALREADY in place. You're buying into the lies being fed to you without checking facts.
Metool2 1 year ago