I want to do this so bad. In great standing in school, working on community service, in CAP and Army JROTC, and am working on some other good stuff. Hopefully I make it to the T-38 when I'm older :)
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@Read2Rock Rog that. F-5s used in the movie. The Vance birds are T-38s. Similar looking but VERY different airplanes. The paint schemes kind of make them look the same. The T-38s that the Beale guys fly are painted black, like the "MiG 28s" in the movie. They REALLY look similar.
@BlackPhantomJambo The wing is the most obvious difference, the F-5 has leading edge extensions and missile rails that the -38s don't have. The F-5s intakes are also shaped differently.
The F5 would have been a great step-up for students if the Air Force had any left. Bigger J85 engines and a leading edge wing extension. Better performance all around. The T-38 is a workhorse no doubt.
i had the honor to fly this awesome jet, it's the most kickass thing ever and gotta say when you take this white rocket to the limit it's fucking amazing.
ooooooooh man i gotta say i had so much fun flying this aircraft. XD
i had the honor to fly this awesome jet, it's the most kickass thing ever and gotta say when you take this white rocket to the limit it's fucking amazing.
ooooooooh man i gotta say i had so much fun flying this aircraft. XD
My dad was one of the designers on this Plane for Northrop and his name is on the Patent. He passed away Feb 2005 and I wish we would have had a video like this for his service...I miss him so much.
Well you can sure be proud of the work he did in designing the finest jet for training USAF pilots. We went through the Tweet, but we loved the T-38. She did everything and looked good doing it.
We all thank him for this wonderful plane he designed and take or hats off in his honor. This plane was flown by my father and he has not recovered (and never will) from the impressive performance and looks of this plane. He wants to own a retired t-38 for fun flying, but we don't have 1mil laying around the house... :)
interesting fact for people whom are new to this incredible plane: It is the fastest rolling plane that has ever been manufactured and still holds that record!
I have over 1,500 hours instructing in that plane. Currently checked out in a B-737, 757, and 767, and I can say that the T-38 is the best airplane I've ever flown.... By miles.
The people that designed her, really knew what they were doing. No one ever has a bad word to say about the Talon.
@comfiecozy Be very proud of your dad. What an awesome airplane. Cutting edge for its time and still recognized as the best!! I loved flying the white rocket!!
It does have very high wing loading for a trainer, but is a simple plane, relatively speaking. I wonder if the F-16 will become the next trainer for supersonic purposes...
@Jonno2summit They are in the process of looking at procuring a replacement for the -38. It will still be around for a good while, though, at least 10 years...
Any word on what plane that might be? BTW, I was just thinking about my candidates for most beautiful jets in aviation history. My choices would be the Me-262, T-38/F-5, and F-16. What's everyone else's picks?
As I understand it, they are just now thinking about setting up requirements and such. It will probably be a new jet though, not something already in service.
Sexiest jet? T-38 or the F-22. IMHO the Me262 was really ungainly, they really didn't know what they were doing with jets yet...
The F-22 looks better every time I look at it. It's growing on me. Of course, performance-wise it's untouchable. And guess which engine they are using in the newly-manufactured Me-262s? T-38 engines!
uh, yeah....jet was a blast to fly...'takin off 35....let's leave it in burner and level off. ..let's see what noise complaints ensue...no offense, vindicator58....
I worked on these ships at Vance till I got laid off. My father flew in some of these planes at Vance when he was an I.P. on T-37B 's during the mid 60's. He also worked on the same planes he flew at Vance.I have his flight logs and some of the T-38's are still here that he flew. He also flew 100 missions over Korea back during that war.
Not military, but grew up around Enid and always been very proud of VAFB. It is a good feeling seeing those student pilots training to kick butt somewhere! Most of them are great people and fun to be around. God bless them all!
Yes, the T in T-38 does stand for trainer and the F in F-5 does stand for fighter. As I explained earlier, those aren't the only differences, though. Both good jets at what they were built for.
VN is the tail code for airplanes at Vance AFB, OK. 07-11 was the class number for this class. 07 is the fiscal year and 11 means we were the 11th class of that fiscal year.
Um, I was part of the -38 cadre from VN 07-11 class and that ain't our video...decent video though.
As to the range you guys are talking about it's called Smoky Hill Range, we do bombing runs there all the time (B-52s) and every now and then you hear the Talons from Vance or WM doing their thing down low.
That's close to where the IFF squadron at Vance does simulated bombing missions (there's a range near by). Because of the limited amount of gas that a T-38 holds, they have to stop at Salina for more of it to get back home.
nice...i wasnt sure if they were from vance or whiteman...very neat stuff, next weekend they are having hawgsmoke here...an a-10 gunnary competition...should be pretty awesome!
The jets from Whiteman also stop at Salina, KS a lot for gas. In fact, other Vance jets stop there as well on out and backs. Sorry to mislead you - not all the T-38s you see at Salina are from the Vance IFF squadron (but they probably do make up the most frequent visitors).
Air Force UPT is one year long and it is the most demanding, but rewarding flight training program around. My flight commander when I was a student at Reese had a good analogy. He said it was like cramming a 2 year masters level course into one year. On duty I flew. Off duty I studied six days a week. Washout rates varied from class to class. I was a T-37 instructor at Reese AFB for three years. I'd guess the average was about 25%. One class I had ended up with a 50% washout rate at graduation.
If 'back in the day' includes the time period from '84-'88, then yeah, I guess it was. You have to remember, this was the middle of the Reagan buildup. We were pushing large numbers through SIX UPT wings back then. We viewed a class showing up on the flight line with less than 40 students to be small. My class that had the 50% loss rate started out with 52! So we were definitely seeing more folks who did need to be there, but since the standards remained the same the loss rate went up.
I was a T38 instructor at Vance AFB 1975 to 1980. Washout rate was less than 5% the entire time I was there. Long live the rocket. Best 1,700 hours I ever flew!!
I want to do this so bad. In great standing in school, working on community service, in CAP and Army JROTC, and am working on some other good stuff. Hopefully I make it to the T-38 when I'm older :)
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edgar0001 4 months ago
@Read2Rock Rog that. F-5s used in the movie. The Vance birds are T-38s. Similar looking but VERY different airplanes. The paint schemes kind of make them look the same. The T-38s that the Beale guys fly are painted black, like the "MiG 28s" in the movie. They REALLY look similar.
ualcap 5 months ago
@Read2Rock The "MiG 28's" (no such real plane) were F-5s.
ualcap 5 months ago
haha i like how to tail says FTW!
smarty13528 8 months ago
have they ever landed a talon on an aircraft carrier?
amazingperson731 1 year ago
What are the external diferences between the F-5F and T-38?
BlackPhantomJambo 1 year ago
@BlackPhantomJambo The wing is the most obvious difference, the F-5 has leading edge extensions and missile rails that the -38s don't have. The F-5s intakes are also shaped differently.
ClancD 11 months ago
That's some great air to air footage you got there. nice vid!
dkF16GEA 1 year ago
My son turned 24 today and had his T38 dollar ride at Laughlin. What a present
civilwarbeaumont 1 year ago
Nice instructing, J! It's so cool that you do this. No, your job does not suck!!
kathleenkellyv 1 year ago
how hard was it getting into the 38 track. i will do anything to make it to the 38's!
pbplaya5 1 year ago
The F5 would have been a great step-up for students if the Air Force had any left. Bigger J85 engines and a leading edge wing extension. Better performance all around. The T-38 is a workhorse no doubt.
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i had the honor to fly this awesome jet, it's the most kickass thing ever and gotta say when you take this white rocket to the limit it's fucking amazing.
ooooooooh man i gotta say i had so much fun flying this aircraft. XD
ahmad7410 1 year ago
i had the honor to fly this awesome jet, it's the most kickass thing ever and gotta say when you take this white rocket to the limit it's fucking amazing.
ooooooooh man i gotta say i had so much fun flying this aircraft. XD
ahmad7410 1 year ago
Nice video... From a member of 89-10.
sqwank2 1 year ago
NICE CLOSED!!!!
Rv6tube 1 year ago
what a great video...I'm commissioning in a month and headed to Vance after that...I'd be so stoked to make it into a 38 - thanks for posting!
gracedre 1 year ago 2
@gracedre Cool - good luck! Vance was a blast! Have fun!
quatro16 1 year ago
My dad was one of the designers on this Plane for Northrop and his name is on the Patent. He passed away Feb 2005 and I wish we would have had a video like this for his service...I miss him so much.
comfiecozy 2 years ago 7
Well you can sure be proud of the work he did in designing the finest jet for training USAF pilots. We went through the Tweet, but we loved the T-38. She did everything and looked good doing it.
flyingjohn2005 2 years ago
Thank you so much for your kind words(((HUG))). I am very proud of him :-)
comfiecozy 2 years ago
We all thank him for this wonderful plane he designed and take or hats off in his honor. This plane was flown by my father and he has not recovered (and never will) from the impressive performance and looks of this plane. He wants to own a retired t-38 for fun flying, but we don't have 1mil laying around the house... :)
interesting fact for people whom are new to this incredible plane: It is the fastest rolling plane that has ever been manufactured and still holds that record!
wignigeater 1 year ago
Thank you so much((((HUG)))), yours word touched my heart, and I will share them with my family.
comfiecozy 1 year ago
@comfiecozy
I have over 1,500 hours instructing in that plane. Currently checked out in a B-737, 757, and 767, and I can say that the T-38 is the best airplane I've ever flown.... By miles.
The people that designed her, really knew what they were doing. No one ever has a bad word to say about the Talon.
Rv6tube 1 year ago
@Rv6tube Thanks((((HUG))))
comfiecozy 1 year ago
@comfiecozy Be very proud of your dad. What an awesome airplane. Cutting edge for its time and still recognized as the best!! I loved flying the white rocket!!
sqwank2 1 year ago
@sqwank2 Thanks((((HUG)))
comfiecozy 1 year ago
@comfiecozy It's a great jet to fly. Classic 1950-60's jet design. A little underpowered, but great once you get it going.
skipplet 1 year ago
Very thanks quatro. Very good video. I like T-38 :-)))
Norexan17 2 years ago
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Norexan17 2 years ago
It does have very high wing loading for a trainer, but is a simple plane, relatively speaking. I wonder if the F-16 will become the next trainer for supersonic purposes...
Jonno2summit 2 years ago
@Jonno2summit They are in the process of looking at procuring a replacement for the -38. It will still be around for a good while, though, at least 10 years...
ClancD 1 year ago
Any word on what plane that might be? BTW, I was just thinking about my candidates for most beautiful jets in aviation history. My choices would be the Me-262, T-38/F-5, and F-16. What's everyone else's picks?
Jonno2summit 1 year ago
As I understand it, they are just now thinking about setting up requirements and such. It will probably be a new jet though, not something already in service.
Sexiest jet? T-38 or the F-22. IMHO the Me262 was really ungainly, they really didn't know what they were doing with jets yet...
ClancD 1 year ago
The F-22 looks better every time I look at it. It's growing on me. Of course, performance-wise it's untouchable. And guess which engine they are using in the newly-manufactured Me-262s? T-38 engines!
Jonno2summit 1 year ago
I believe these 38's are the new "C" model with updated instruments. The T-38C will be around for many years to come I'm happy to say.
Jonno2summit 2 years ago 2
You are correct. It's a great training airplane. It will be around for a while, but not forever. Who knows what the Air Force will use to replace it.
quatro16 2 years ago
Cool. i didn't know the air Force still flew the Talon. as a trainer obviously?
lst1195 2 years ago
The USAF only flew the T-38 as a trainer. It has no combat capabilities.
quatro16 2 years ago
Sorry - didn't really answer your question. Yup, they are still flying strong as trainers at UPT bases across the United States.
quatro16 2 years ago
nice vid
stormcruiser2 2 years ago
This is hands down the best UPT class video I've seen in a while. Good work!
kbokevs 2 years ago
Sweet! Thanks bro
quatro16 2 years ago
my afjrotc sasi flew a t38 when he went for training
sayavong559 2 years ago
Sweet video, Sweet jet...
1980-1984 Vance Tweet IP
sriggins1 2 years ago
do you take this training course after 4 years of college?
jimmificationist 2 years ago
After four years of college, officer school, T-6 academics and flights. Then you move on to fly the T-38.
quatro16 2 years ago
Obviously, cchambers never flew one!
801921 2 years ago
Agreed - although a simple supersonic jet, the T-38 quite a joy to fly. An exceptional aircraft.
quatro16 2 years ago
uh, yeah....jet was a blast to fly...'takin off 35....let's leave it in burner and level off. ..let's see what noise complaints ensue...no offense, vindicator58....
mikeycw69 2 years ago
What a cool video... Love the sound track too
ash3rr 2 years ago
Thanks!
quatro16 2 years ago
I worked on these ships at Vance till I got laid off. My father flew in some of these planes at Vance when he was an I.P. on T-37B 's during the mid 60's. He also worked on the same planes he flew at Vance.I have his flight logs and some of the T-38's are still here that he flew. He also flew 100 missions over Korea back during that war.
avionicswirenut 2 years ago
Not military, but grew up around Enid and always been very proud of VAFB. It is a good feeling seeing those student pilots training to kick butt somewhere! Most of them are great people and fun to be around. God bless them all!
Vindicator58 2 years ago
What is the difference between this and the F 5 tiger .
killerkohyar 2 years ago
F-5 has a (small) radar, capability to carry Air-to-Air missiles, an actual gun, external tanks, and in some versions, air-to-surface ordinance.
An F-5 has bigger engines, leading edge flaps, maneuver flaps, and in most cases is single seat.
In most appearances, they *look* the same and share a lot of characteristics.
quatro16 2 years ago
If I'm right, T (T-38) stands for trainer and F(F-5) for Fighter
jeabreg 2 years ago
Yes, the T in T-38 does stand for trainer and the F in F-5 does stand for fighter. As I explained earlier, those aren't the only differences, though. Both good jets at what they were built for.
quatro16 2 years ago
what does VN 07-11 stand for?
StormJordan15 3 years ago
VN is the tail code for airplanes at Vance AFB, OK. 07-11 was the class number for this class. 07 is the fiscal year and 11 means we were the 11th class of that fiscal year.
quatro16 3 years ago
Um, I was part of the -38 cadre from VN 07-11 class and that ain't our video...decent video though.
As to the range you guys are talking about it's called Smoky Hill Range, we do bombing runs there all the time (B-52s) and every now and then you hear the Talons from Vance or WM doing their thing down low.
indyfalcon 3 years ago
Dude, it is our video. It's not the one that we showed at assignment night because that one was just plain silly.
Are you still making up your own departures? The GONZO-ONE still doesn't exist at VN.
quatro16 3 years ago
i see t-38s just about everyday at the salina ks airport, they're awesome.
fishercollin 3 years ago
That's close to where the IFF squadron at Vance does simulated bombing missions (there's a range near by). Because of the limited amount of gas that a T-38 holds, they have to stop at Salina for more of it to get back home.
quatro16 3 years ago
nice...i wasnt sure if they were from vance or whiteman...very neat stuff, next weekend they are having hawgsmoke here...an a-10 gunnary competition...should be pretty awesome!
fishercollin 3 years ago
The jets from Whiteman also stop at Salina, KS a lot for gas. In fact, other Vance jets stop there as well on out and backs. Sorry to mislead you - not all the T-38s you see at Salina are from the Vance IFF squadron (but they probably do make up the most frequent visitors).
quatro16 3 years ago
saw a couple of your guys' t-6s and t-38s at hawgsmoke this week...pretty sweet, the t-6s looks like fun...that pt-6 has some power!!
fishercollin 3 years ago
WAR BIRDS!!! lol great video
thebloody1 3 years ago
FIGHTERS!!!!!
cchambers84 3 years ago
No. TRAINERS!!!!!
ClancD 2 years ago
Twas a joke. 38's are about as interesting as a Kite
cchambers84 2 years ago
I like the color on them T-38's.Great video,5 stars.
LuxuryAndExotics 3 years ago
Thanks
quatro16 3 years ago
this would be Phase 3 and that means its called SUPT
F22RaptorFF 3 years ago
JSUPT to be exact... Vance AFB.
quatro16 3 years ago
ok, thanks man
spellbound1900 3 years ago
what´s ENJJPT?
spellbound1900 3 years ago
Euro-NATO Joint Jet Pilot Training
quatro16 3 years ago
Congrats on getting Vipers... you have no idea how lucky you are. Did you ever apply to ENJJPT?
RaptorguyTx3 3 years ago
Thanks. No, I didn't apply for ENJJPT.
quatro16 3 years ago
you got vipers? You SOB!
pOsTaLxL 3 years ago
Yup.
quatro16 3 years ago
what are "vipers"
StormJordan15 3 years ago
F-16
quatro16 3 years ago
F-16s are referred to as 'vipers' by those who fly or work on them. Everyboy else calls them Falcons.
jamesfpop 2 years ago
How tuff is the flight training? How many people make it through out of the entire class?
hawkfan2016 4 years ago
Air Force UPT is one year long and it is the most demanding, but rewarding flight training program around. My flight commander when I was a student at Reese had a good analogy. He said it was like cramming a 2 year masters level course into one year. On duty I flew. Off duty I studied six days a week. Washout rates varied from class to class. I was a T-37 instructor at Reese AFB for three years. I'd guess the average was about 25%. One class I had ended up with a 50% washout rate at graduation.
denniswofford 4 years ago
Was this back in the day? Because those rates are CrazZ
fpere006 4 years ago
If 'back in the day' includes the time period from '84-'88, then yeah, I guess it was. You have to remember, this was the middle of the Reagan buildup. We were pushing large numbers through SIX UPT wings back then. We viewed a class showing up on the flight line with less than 40 students to be small. My class that had the 50% loss rate started out with 52! So we were definitely seeing more folks who did need to be there, but since the standards remained the same the loss rate went up.
denniswofford 4 years ago
I was a T38 instructor at Vance AFB 1975 to 1980. Washout rate was less than 5% the entire time I was there. Long live the rocket. Best 1,700 hours I ever flew!!
t38ip2003 3 years ago
quatro...what was your assignment?
Dingydong83 4 years ago
Vipers
quatro16 4 years ago
Nice...what squadron you in out there...word is I'll be in the 62nd
Dingydong83 4 years ago
lawndart
modelleg 4 years ago
Nah, just a T-38.
quatro16 4 years ago
Man, I have GOT to make sure I get my pilot training slot when the time comes...
greanami 4 years ago
You'll never regret it. Best job ever.
quatro16 4 years ago
this video is awesome. i hope to someday train in these jets and make my way to a fighter. by the way what song is this and who the artist?
jinxboy86 4 years ago
"Here it Goes Again" - OK Go
quatro16 4 years ago
does any one know the width of the main landing gear?
cah1206 4 years ago
I've never measured it during a walk around, but I would guess 6 - 9 feet. Closer to 9, though.
quatro16 4 years ago
lol... maybe about 6.9 feet?
bigjim32 4 years ago
Yeah these are the neatest birds the Air force has for training. My old man flew these when they first went into service.
Well it looks like you all are going to have to keep on rocking in the free world.
Thanks for flying for our peace, God bless freedom!!!
PilotFace 4 years ago
God I would have loved to have been a pilot in the USAF and flown those birds.
kevinkeay0382 4 years ago
You can buy one of these used for about 160k. Can't wait until I can afford it.
gunplay223 4 years ago
$160K, I doubt it is airworthy. Last price I saw for a fully overhauled rocket was $4 million.
t38ip2003 3 years ago
I've flown it too! Pilot Training in KCBM...it's a passion that aircraft.
87dascouves 4 years ago
Where was this taken?
Pilot0014 4 years ago
Vance AFB
Enid, OK
quatro16 4 years ago
I Want more!!! Best Aircraft ever built!
87dascouves 4 years ago
Yeah right, I control these daily and have flown in them. They're alright but best ever? they're training jets! How bout some F22's that's whats up
cchambers84 4 years ago