Staying calm was a good thing however turning the horse away from the trailer was a big no no. You shouldn't turn him away because that makes him think he is winning. Eventually yes you will get the horse on the trailer but it depends on the horse. Every time you turn him away it makes that "wall" of him not getting on the trailer thicker. You should always make him face it and not turn away from it. Slight pressure and maintain that pressure until he moves then release the pressure and reward.
I really typed you up exactly how I train horses to get on trailers but I went over by 2000 characters, and I don't feel like retype it now. Maybe later
You really need to watch someone who trains horses. A proffesional. I recently rescued 3 horses. They were wild. never been touched by human hands. I worked with each horse3 for 3 days, lunging desensitising and getting the horse to respect me. thats the short without going into details. 2 hrs a day. On the 3rd day I trained each horse to load on the trailer. In 5 minutes, I had each horse loaded. However, just loading was not my objective. So I loaded, off loaded for about 45 minutes each.
@GJackD I know what methods you are referring to and yes they are effective and yes I know how to use them, but I still prefer to do it toned down as that is just as effective for me as the other method. I’m left with a horse so calm to work with even a child can handle it. I usually only have one day to show owners how to train their horse, and you should know that trying to teach someone how to use the method you’re talking about will lead to more harm than good if used incorrect.
@XtotalyrandomzX I had never loaded the horse before, I try to never put them in a situation where they might feel that they would need to use that kind of behavior to get away from a situation they dont like or understand. I take my time and explain to them what I want I never try to force it on them. If a horse has to bite, kick or rear up then the person handeling the horse is doing something wrong and not explaining themsevles properly to the horse.
You really didn't teach the horse to load on the trailer. You only got him to load. In the time you spent, you should have been able to point at the trailer and the horse sod have loaded. You should have loaded the horse 50 times in that.much time. Move the horses feet on the outside of the trailer. A d watch a professional like Clinton Anderson or any other. You need to reevaluate your methods, or lack there of!!!
@GJackD So you think loading a horse calmly is lack of skills? People usually need more then 30 min to teach a horse to load by pointing at the trailer, especially when its a horse that is hard to load in the first place, this is also not my way of training horses. You also say that i "should have loaded the horse 50 times in that much time". 30 minutes and 50 times are almost 2 times a minute I really dont see the logic in that kind of training it would only confuse the horse...
@hackamore Maybe, but you might have to do that again the next time, and after a couple of times the horse will either retaliate by kicking, try to rear up or break away. It would only get harder and harder to load it that way, not easier and easier by taking your time with it and making it a plesant or neutral experiance.
@hackamore I know what J.K. stands for, but if you are leaving a comment like that you are not the only one thinking it, so a response is in order. Besides you know what they say, there is usually some truth behind every joke.
Nice. End of resistance as long as this is practiced. Taking time and being patient is hard but it sure pays off. Trailers are always a problem when there is no or bad training. Great post.
@gcpropertymanagement Thanks, I wanted to try to show that trying to force a horse to do something is far less efficient then asking it to do something. When we ask a horse to do something we can only blame ourselves if it does not understand what we are trying to say, so we have to go back to babysteps and showing it what we mean, and they will try their best to understand as long as it does not cause them pain or mental stress.
I wouldn't turn the horse away from the ramp but push it back and then try again. Turning them away means you have to start over again with the psychological stuff and the horse naturally thinks it isn't going to be loaded. I do admire you for being so calm though because that is essential.
@ssjshires Turning the horse away from the trailer is just so it will think about something else for a few seconds, and at the same time make it go forwards so I have something to praise it for, so it knows that I want it to go forward when we are on the ramp also. If I had tried to push her back instead and pulled forward again she might have started to rear up. I will always try to find ways of staying posetive and having something to praise the horses for when working with them :)
@merrypresent I dident want to get into a situation where the horse would panick by closing the door to fast, I'd rather make sure it was comfortable in the trailer and then close it. I got the coat at a horse-store here in Norway, it has buttons in the back so you can split it and use it when you ride also :)
welll done :) any ideas on how to get my pony to load, it takes around an hour and a half to get him up, sounds similar to how you described your pony as in he rears and bolts. He will load perfectly coming home, just not going out, he loads perfectly with another horse in there. I don't think he is scared because he loads well and easily when the trailer is facing towards his field, it is when it is parked in the gateway he won't load. any ideas?
@xxponiesxxx Something is most likely different when the trailer is in the gateway, maybe it is darker inside, the ground is making a different noise, there are other distractions around etc. I dont know if you have trained loading a lot in the field, but you could try to do that when the trailer is in the gateway, use 20-30 minutes 2-3 times a week just training on loading without pressurising the horse, let it eat on the ramp / inside, once inside go for a short drive, use lots of praise.
good job with it but a way better idea is that u tie a big long rope onto the float then get a person to rapped it around the horses bum and pull and he should just walk up ples try it it all ways work with our horses and their stubborn.
@XBrontieHorseLoverX You need to be 2-3 people to do this, I would rather show people how to load a horse alone then beeing dependant on others to help out, people who help out have a tendancy to frighten the horse more also.
I don´t wanna be mean or anything, but I don´t think this horse is difficult. To me he only seems stubborn.
Anyway, nice that u kept ur calm and didn´t pressure the horse!
I would suggest to try and aproach the trailer and then make the horse go backwards (even before it´s so close to the trailer that it stops on its own behalf), aproach again, go backwards and again and again. Until the horse is so bored of doing this that it wants to get on there just to get it over with. That really works. :)
@niemandization Thanks, what you said is a compliment not mean, if I had tried to load this horse before working with her for an hour in a different location, or if I had tried to load her with any pressure at all, she would not have been as calm as she is on the tape, the owner told me they had big problems trying to load her on a trailer, and that's why she had to ride the horse for 2 hours to get her to the stable where I was going to train her.
Good job with him! Have you tried lunging your horses outside the trailer and then allowing them to go up to to rest for a while and then repeat a few times until they start seeing the trailer as a relaxing rest area and get more and more comfortable with it? Thats the method I use and it seems to work pretty good. Just wondering if you like this method?
@Equestrian08 Yes, this is also a good method, it allows the horse to "run away" from what is scaring it, and then put back next to the item to rest. This method also works well when you want to teach the horse to stand still while the veterinarian wants to look at the horse or the ferrier. Its good to do these things outside, where you can ask the horse to move a bit by lunging, it makes them more relaxed to know they can run away, instead of panicking in a small confined area like a stall.
@Domino32200 Don't exclude the possibility that your non-loader will influence the good loader (this happened to us). It's like our mare said "what? There's something wrong with loading? I won't, then." We used to load her first, to convince him it was ok. But then she watched his hysteria and we had a double problem for several years.
Put the trailor in a paddock with no grass or in an arena. Put water and food in the trailor at the very front so the horse as no choice if he wants to eat or drink, he has to get in but don't interfere at all, let him do it himself. This works very well, your horse will be fine after 4-5 days. You can also put a friendly other horse (that goes in trailor no problem) with him that will show him there is no danger to be in a trailor and to how get the food.
@Domino32200 Yes, someone else suggested this a while back (might have been in a private message), this is also a good way of getting them used to the trailer, without having anyone there to confuse or put pressure on them.
@Cheesekake343 Train several days, leave a couple of days in between each time you train so the horse can process the info it learns. It's important not to force the horse, but rather spend an hour close to the trailer, and taking small steps closer to it, small steps up the ramp, short times inside it etc, until the horse follows you calmly and is not stressed. You want to teach it that the trailer is a safe and relaxing place. If you tell me how it goes, I can give you tips along the way.
@NikitaHorse Oh ok! Im hoping to start this within a few months. Im in a weird kind of situation right now, but maybe I can convince my trainer to let my get the trailer out haha It shouldn't be an issue, but I'll let you know when I start that! thanks so much!
Well I have too admit, I actually learned something. I have a fully enclosed car trailer and would like to take a couple jobs hauling horses across country. The trailer has a smooth plywood floor. Is it better to have partitions in the trailer so they have just enough room to stand or better to have a 8.5 foot by 18 foot open space? How much headroom is needed for full grown normal horses? Will a horse just lay down for most of the trip if given room? How much water and food per day?
@douglas787 The amouht of hay needed depends on the number and size of the horses, some might not eat at all because they are stressed on the trailer, while some might eat the whole time they are there (aproximately 2-4 kg hay per serving, 3 times a day).
Securly fastened the hay in haynets high on the wall, so they can't step in them (you can also hide a few carrots in them).
The trailer should have ventilation, check that its not to hot or cold in there, when you stop for breaks.
@douglas787 When you stop for a break (every 2-3 hours), you can offer the horses water to drink from a bucket (let them drink as much as they want, aprox. 1-4 liters).
The trailer should be high enough so that the horse can stand upright without tuching the sealing (the more headroom the better).
If its hot the horse should not wear a blanket, and hoof/leg protection can make the feet of the horses very varm if its hot.
Other things to bring along is a knife, to cut ropes ICE.
Your so nice.I bought a yearling 25 years ago.They really messed up the poor horse.She never forgot.I was not there they deliverd her.Not a mark on her.But trama of somesort.Even bring in any small walk.But your way people won,t have a tramatized horse.
i see this horse has a good back up (sarcastic tone) for starters you just let him stand there, you should apply pressure and if he doesnt respond change the pressure by moving where your standing, and for second, if you did more groundwork with the horse then he would be more responsive when you ask and not so bragy and stubborn as he is in the video, you need to work on the groundwork before even going near the trailer, good luck.
@BlodwynRox Most of the time it is the applying of pressure that is the reason the horse refuse to go into the trailer in the first place, why should anyone waste time doing it that way? It will only lead to having to apply pressure the next time also... Instead I used 35 minutes not applying any pressure, just suggesting that the horse follow me, so that the next time the owner tries this the horse has a positive experience and walks right onto the trailer...
@NikitaHorse yes but in order to want the horse to follow you you have to establish the relationship between you and the horse and by making the horse react positively to the pressure it gets to know that by coming forwards the pressure gets released and eventually they wont need pressure, i have a horse that is a bad loader and i have experience of this working and also know alot of horses that this works for.
@BlodwynRox I learned what your describing when I was young and naive. I use a different approach now, I teach the horses to follow me without having to use any pressure, its a lot faster and more practical. In the 2 hours I knew that horse before trying to load him into the trailer, I worked on trust exercises, not pressure. I deal with horses with problems not "normal" horses, most of the horses I get to meet will challenge or attach anyone that tries to pressure them into doing anything.
@NikitaHorse yes, i see that you really have made a name for yourself like the teachers that teach the method i use, the method i use is effective, and you do use my methods in this clip without even realising because you apply pressure on the leadrop (via pulling) and when he does not respond you move to the side, so you are knocking what i describe yet you use it ? and trust me i have tried your way of 'without any pressure' and i had to wait for 5hours at a show and my horse trusts me fully
@BlodwynRox I see that we agree then, I'm not really knocking your method, I know that when used right and with normal pressure it is a good method (I assume that's what you were referring to). I'm knocking the method of all the persons that believe that inflicting pain by pressurising the horse to the point they give up (I've had a few persons suggest that here), and do what they are told, because they want to get away from the pain, as opposed to following the person because they want to.
@NikitaHorse yes thats exactly what i mean, using the pressure and release to ask and reward not to force them into it, it took me two hours before but they went on in the end and that was with no force just asking and rewarding and also never letting her stand on the ramp for more than about a minute, only after she had got the reward of the release of pressure
@NikitaHorse and also, a problem loader is a'normal' horse in fact it is the most normal horse, why in the right mind would a horse want to go into a dark enclosed trap, i fail to see why so many horses do load.
@BlodwynRox I agree that a horse that don't want to be loaded is very normal, going inside a trailer is against all their natural instincts. This horse is an angel compared to some of the other horses I work with, she is gentle, calm and very normal (just another reason why I don't like people suggesting inflicting pain to have her load). Some horses load because: they fear the pain if they don't, they trust the person loading them, its routine, they have explored the trailer on their own, etc.
This actually wasn't such a bad demo- no drama, lots of patience, no forcing (notice how, arond 6:30 when someone appeared behind the pony, its resistance increased because it felt a little trapped). The problem with what happened in this video was not what was seen here, but rather that no one has previously established a proper dominance and leadership position with this pony, so it does not feel obliged to follow the human lead and is not sufficiently confident and secure doing so.
@operafan65 Yes, most horses that have bad experiences with trailers will react negative to someone moving behind them. It helps if the horse trusts the person leading them. I had only worked with the horse for a day or two when the owner mentioned that she had problems loading the horse on the trailer, so I went ahead and tried.
there are a million ways to get a horse used to trailer loading but the wa you did it was horrible bad you trained him to just walkout and pull you with and he gets his way
@melkraklau Actually I am the one that is asking the horse to walk around me every time he is hesitant to walk forward, this gives him a forward motion as supposed to a backwards one. And I do not let him pull me out I let him back out so he does not experience any pressure from me trying to pull him in, which causes most horses to pull more on the rope or even rear up and kick with their front feet. I get the job done with a calm, dry horse. What way would you have done it?
You should never ever load a horse into a trailer that isn't hitched...especially one this small. If this horse does decide to be dificult at any point while inside the trailer he/she could easily flip it, and then you'll probably never get that horse in a trailer again.
@desertlanetraining Yes, I totally agree that that should have been done. But the trailer is actually one of the biggest compared to what they have around here, and the pony is quite small. But that's not really any excuses it should be hitched.
@blondeandarmed That method might work for a horse that has been on a trailer and off again a few times, and knows its not a big deal once they get on it. But not for a green horse that has no idea what the trailer is, or that needs the time to get over trauma, or one that has been forced on against its will with use of ropes, whips or force.
SuperWendy - This is a horse that when forced into the trailer as you suggest will rear up swing around on the outside and try to get away from the pressure... so not only is your idea a bad one it will just confirm the fear of the trailer even more for a horse that do not like trailers. The way i do this is to train the horse away from the trailer first gaining his trust and then approaching the trailer with no fear or pressure, it relaxes them and after a couple of times they walk straight on.
open the exit ramp but keep the bar up so he thinks he can go through but cant, and go in with a firm apporach to say we mean business, and dont take no for an answer, and then he'll aventually learn, and then you can just be nice
Work outside on the ground and then take him slowly into the trailer and let him examine it then just work him outside and then when he actually goes inside leave him and if he gets out then work again. He'll eventually learn that trailer=rest and ground=work. It works 100% and no violence needed. Try it next time. Patience is good but just takes too long.
The point is to make the horse want to get into the trailer by showing it it isnt scary. Threatening it to go in just cements the idea that it IS a scary place. Patience is definately the way to go
@1213lizzard If you wiggle a dressage whip behind him and you get a hoof after you or a stressed horse that will back away from the trailer and refuse to put his hooves on the ramp, until the person with the whip has been removed from the premises.
Yes, its not my dog, but i know it's a very old dog. He walks around and greets people who come to visit, but he never runs or barks, he is allowed to limp a little when he walks ;-)
Staying calm was a good thing however turning the horse away from the trailer was a big no no. You shouldn't turn him away because that makes him think he is winning. Eventually yes you will get the horse on the trailer but it depends on the horse. Every time you turn him away it makes that "wall" of him not getting on the trailer thicker. You should always make him face it and not turn away from it. Slight pressure and maintain that pressure until he moves then release the pressure and reward.
WookieBrooke26 4 hours ago
I really typed you up exactly how I train horses to get on trailers but I went over by 2000 characters, and I don't feel like retype it now. Maybe later
GJackD 3 weeks ago
You really need to watch someone who trains horses. A proffesional. I recently rescued 3 horses. They were wild. never been touched by human hands. I worked with each horse3 for 3 days, lunging desensitising and getting the horse to respect me. thats the short without going into details. 2 hrs a day. On the 3rd day I trained each horse to load on the trailer. In 5 minutes, I had each horse loaded. However, just loading was not my objective. So I loaded, off loaded for about 45 minutes each.
GJackD 3 weeks ago
@GJackD I know what methods you are referring to and yes they are effective and yes I know how to use them, but I still prefer to do it toned down as that is just as effective for me as the other method. I’m left with a horse so calm to work with even a child can handle it. I usually only have one day to show owners how to train their horse, and you should know that trying to teach someone how to use the method you’re talking about will lead to more harm than good if used incorrect.
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@XtotalyrandomzX I had never loaded the horse before, I try to never put them in a situation where they might feel that they would need to use that kind of behavior to get away from a situation they dont like or understand. I take my time and explain to them what I want I never try to force it on them. If a horse has to bite, kick or rear up then the person handeling the horse is doing something wrong and not explaining themsevles properly to the horse.
NikitaHorse 3 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
You really didn't teach the horse to load on the trailer. You only got him to load. In the time you spent, you should have been able to point at the trailer and the horse sod have loaded. You should have loaded the horse 50 times in that.much time. Move the horses feet on the outside of the trailer. A d watch a professional like Clinton Anderson or any other. You need to reevaluate your methods, or lack there of!!!
GJackD 3 weeks ago
@GJackD So you think loading a horse calmly is lack of skills? People usually need more then 30 min to teach a horse to load by pointing at the trailer, especially when its a horse that is hard to load in the first place, this is also not my way of training horses. You also say that i "should have loaded the horse 50 times in that much time". 30 minutes and 50 times are almost 2 times a minute I really dont see the logic in that kind of training it would only confuse the horse...
NikitaHorse 3 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Ya know, if you'd stand behind the horse and whip it real hard it would go in much sooner. j/k
hackamore 1 month ago
@hackamore Maybe, but you might have to do that again the next time, and after a couple of times the horse will either retaliate by kicking, try to rear up or break away. It would only get harder and harder to load it that way, not easier and easier by taking your time with it and making it a plesant or neutral experiance.
NikitaHorse 3 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@NikitaHorse j/k stands for "just kidding".
hackamore 3 weeks ago
@hackamore I know what J.K. stands for, but if you are leaving a comment like that you are not the only one thinking it, so a response is in order. Besides you know what they say, there is usually some truth behind every joke.
NikitaHorse 3 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Nice. End of resistance as long as this is practiced. Taking time and being patient is hard but it sure pays off. Trailers are always a problem when there is no or bad training. Great post.
gcpropertymanagement 2 months ago
@gcpropertymanagement Thanks, I wanted to try to show that trying to force a horse to do something is far less efficient then asking it to do something. When we ask a horse to do something we can only blame ourselves if it does not understand what we are trying to say, so we have to go back to babysteps and showing it what we mean, and they will try their best to understand as long as it does not cause them pain or mental stress.
NikitaHorse 3 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
I wouldn't turn the horse away from the ramp but push it back and then try again. Turning them away means you have to start over again with the psychological stuff and the horse naturally thinks it isn't going to be loaded. I do admire you for being so calm though because that is essential.
ssjshires 6 months ago
@ssjshires Turning the horse away from the trailer is just so it will think about something else for a few seconds, and at the same time make it go forwards so I have something to praise it for, so it knows that I want it to go forward when we are on the ramp also. If I had tried to push her back instead and pulled forward again she might have started to rear up. I will always try to find ways of staying posetive and having something to praise the horses for when working with them :)
NikitaHorse 3 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Looks like you could have had someone shut him in there much sooner by just lifting up the back door.
I have to have that coat. Do you remember where you got it?
You just cut such a fine silhouette, with your hair in that bun style, the coat, its colour, and those great boots. Striking.
merrypresent 6 months ago
@merrypresent I dident want to get into a situation where the horse would panick by closing the door to fast, I'd rather make sure it was comfortable in the trailer and then close it. I got the coat at a horse-store here in Norway, it has buttons in the back so you can split it and use it when you ride also :)
NikitaHorse 3 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
1) pony not a horse
2) not a difficult loader at all!!!!!!!!!
ihartcowboys 8 months ago
OOOOOHHHH a brinderup trailer!!! girl im jealous
WolfOfMistyHallows 9 months ago
it is a PONY NOT A HORSE
bennnneb 10 months ago
Wow we all know to NEVER load a horse in a trailer that is not hooked to a vehicle!
jackapples3 11 months ago
welll done :) any ideas on how to get my pony to load, it takes around an hour and a half to get him up, sounds similar to how you described your pony as in he rears and bolts. He will load perfectly coming home, just not going out, he loads perfectly with another horse in there. I don't think he is scared because he loads well and easily when the trailer is facing towards his field, it is when it is parked in the gateway he won't load. any ideas?
thanks :)
xxponiesxxx 11 months ago
@xxponiesxxx Something is most likely different when the trailer is in the gateway, maybe it is darker inside, the ground is making a different noise, there are other distractions around etc. I dont know if you have trained loading a lot in the field, but you could try to do that when the trailer is in the gateway, use 20-30 minutes 2-3 times a week just training on loading without pressurising the horse, let it eat on the ramp / inside, once inside go for a short drive, use lots of praise.
NikitaHorse 3 weeks ago
good job with it but a way better idea is that u tie a big long rope onto the float then get a person to rapped it around the horses bum and pull and he should just walk up ples try it it all ways work with our horses and their stubborn.
XBrontieHorseLoverX 1 year ago
@XBrontieHorseLoverX You need to be 2-3 people to do this, I would rather show people how to load a horse alone then beeing dependant on others to help out, people who help out have a tendancy to frighten the horse more also.
NikitaHorse 3 weeks ago
I don´t wanna be mean or anything, but I don´t think this horse is difficult. To me he only seems stubborn.
Anyway, nice that u kept ur calm and didn´t pressure the horse!
I would suggest to try and aproach the trailer and then make the horse go backwards (even before it´s so close to the trailer that it stops on its own behalf), aproach again, go backwards and again and again. Until the horse is so bored of doing this that it wants to get on there just to get it over with. That really works. :)
niemandization 1 year ago 2
@niemandization Thanks, what you said is a compliment not mean, if I had tried to load this horse before working with her for an hour in a different location, or if I had tried to load her with any pressure at all, she would not have been as calm as she is on the tape, the owner told me they had big problems trying to load her on a trailer, and that's why she had to ride the horse for 2 hours to get her to the stable where I was going to train her.
NikitaHorse 1 year ago
Nice work
equineempathy 1 year ago
Good job with him! Have you tried lunging your horses outside the trailer and then allowing them to go up to to rest for a while and then repeat a few times until they start seeing the trailer as a relaxing rest area and get more and more comfortable with it? Thats the method I use and it seems to work pretty good. Just wondering if you like this method?
Equestrian08 1 year ago
@Equestrian08 Yes, this is also a good method, it allows the horse to "run away" from what is scaring it, and then put back next to the item to rest. This method also works well when you want to teach the horse to stand still while the veterinarian wants to look at the horse or the ferrier. Its good to do these things outside, where you can ask the horse to move a bit by lunging, it makes them more relaxed to know they can run away, instead of panicking in a small confined area like a stall.
NikitaHorse 1 year ago
@Domino32200 Don't exclude the possibility that your non-loader will influence the good loader (this happened to us). It's like our mare said "what? There's something wrong with loading? I won't, then." We used to load her first, to convince him it was ok. But then she watched his hysteria and we had a double problem for several years.
1990enzo 1 year ago
Put the trailor in a paddock with no grass or in an arena. Put water and food in the trailor at the very front so the horse as no choice if he wants to eat or drink, he has to get in but don't interfere at all, let him do it himself. This works very well, your horse will be fine after 4-5 days. You can also put a friendly other horse (that goes in trailor no problem) with him that will show him there is no danger to be in a trailor and to how get the food.
Domino32200 1 year ago
@Domino32200 Yes, someone else suggested this a while back (might have been in a private message), this is also a good way of getting them used to the trailer, without having anyone there to confuse or put pressure on them.
NikitaHorse 1 year ago
@Domino32200 haha i tried the food method with my horse but instead he kicked my float and chewed the electric cables that connect to the car.
TheShelbzy 1 year ago
OMG this is my horse EXACTALLY! Do you have any advice to help? Like should I just take a day practicing getting in and out of the trailer?
Cheesekake343 1 year ago
@Cheesekake343 Train several days, leave a couple of days in between each time you train so the horse can process the info it learns. It's important not to force the horse, but rather spend an hour close to the trailer, and taking small steps closer to it, small steps up the ramp, short times inside it etc, until the horse follows you calmly and is not stressed. You want to teach it that the trailer is a safe and relaxing place. If you tell me how it goes, I can give you tips along the way.
NikitaHorse 1 year ago
@NikitaHorse Oh ok! Im hoping to start this within a few months. Im in a weird kind of situation right now, but maybe I can convince my trainer to let my get the trailer out haha It shouldn't be an issue, but I'll let you know when I start that! thanks so much!
Cheesekake343 1 year ago
You haven't seen difficult til you've seen my mare load XP
LetsJustRideAway 1 year ago
Well I have too admit, I actually learned something. I have a fully enclosed car trailer and would like to take a couple jobs hauling horses across country. The trailer has a smooth plywood floor. Is it better to have partitions in the trailer so they have just enough room to stand or better to have a 8.5 foot by 18 foot open space? How much headroom is needed for full grown normal horses? Will a horse just lay down for most of the trip if given room? How much water and food per day?
douglas787 1 year ago
@douglas787 Some horses lay down during transport, others are to stressed to do so.
Some say its good to let the horses stand loose in the trailer, others use partitions and tie them.
I guess it depends on the age, size, sex, and how well the horses get along. If it's one or more stallions i would assume they should be separated.
If you tie the horse, use safety hooks that have a fast release on them, or a safety knot.
Use a bit of shavings or straw (not hay) on the floor.
NikitaHorse 1 year ago
@douglas787 The amouht of hay needed depends on the number and size of the horses, some might not eat at all because they are stressed on the trailer, while some might eat the whole time they are there (aproximately 2-4 kg hay per serving, 3 times a day).
Securly fastened the hay in haynets high on the wall, so they can't step in them (you can also hide a few carrots in them).
The trailer should have ventilation, check that its not to hot or cold in there, when you stop for breaks.
NikitaHorse 1 year ago
@douglas787 When you stop for a break (every 2-3 hours), you can offer the horses water to drink from a bucket (let them drink as much as they want, aprox. 1-4 liters).
The trailer should be high enough so that the horse can stand upright without tuching the sealing (the more headroom the better).
If its hot the horse should not wear a blanket, and hoof/leg protection can make the feet of the horses very varm if its hot.
Other things to bring along is a knife, to cut ropes ICE.
NikitaHorse 1 year ago
Your so nice.I bought a yearling 25 years ago.They really messed up the poor horse.She never forgot.I was not there they deliverd her.Not a mark on her.But trama of somesort.Even bring in any small walk.But your way people won,t have a tramatized horse.
7466309change 1 year ago
i see this horse has a good back up (sarcastic tone) for starters you just let him stand there, you should apply pressure and if he doesnt respond change the pressure by moving where your standing, and for second, if you did more groundwork with the horse then he would be more responsive when you ask and not so bragy and stubborn as he is in the video, you need to work on the groundwork before even going near the trailer, good luck.
BlodwynRox 1 year ago
@BlodwynRox Most of the time it is the applying of pressure that is the reason the horse refuse to go into the trailer in the first place, why should anyone waste time doing it that way? It will only lead to having to apply pressure the next time also... Instead I used 35 minutes not applying any pressure, just suggesting that the horse follow me, so that the next time the owner tries this the horse has a positive experience and walks right onto the trailer...
NikitaHorse 1 year ago
@NikitaHorse yes but in order to want the horse to follow you you have to establish the relationship between you and the horse and by making the horse react positively to the pressure it gets to know that by coming forwards the pressure gets released and eventually they wont need pressure, i have a horse that is a bad loader and i have experience of this working and also know alot of horses that this works for.
BlodwynRox 1 year ago
@BlodwynRox I learned what your describing when I was young and naive. I use a different approach now, I teach the horses to follow me without having to use any pressure, its a lot faster and more practical. In the 2 hours I knew that horse before trying to load him into the trailer, I worked on trust exercises, not pressure. I deal with horses with problems not "normal" horses, most of the horses I get to meet will challenge or attach anyone that tries to pressure them into doing anything.
NikitaHorse 1 year ago
@NikitaHorse yes, i see that you really have made a name for yourself like the teachers that teach the method i use, the method i use is effective, and you do use my methods in this clip without even realising because you apply pressure on the leadrop (via pulling) and when he does not respond you move to the side, so you are knocking what i describe yet you use it ? and trust me i have tried your way of 'without any pressure' and i had to wait for 5hours at a show and my horse trusts me fully
BlodwynRox 1 year ago
@BlodwynRox I see that we agree then, I'm not really knocking your method, I know that when used right and with normal pressure it is a good method (I assume that's what you were referring to). I'm knocking the method of all the persons that believe that inflicting pain by pressurising the horse to the point they give up (I've had a few persons suggest that here), and do what they are told, because they want to get away from the pain, as opposed to following the person because they want to.
NikitaHorse 1 year ago
@NikitaHorse yes thats exactly what i mean, using the pressure and release to ask and reward not to force them into it, it took me two hours before but they went on in the end and that was with no force just asking and rewarding and also never letting her stand on the ramp for more than about a minute, only after she had got the reward of the release of pressure
BlodwynRox 1 year ago
@NikitaHorse and also, a problem loader is a'normal' horse in fact it is the most normal horse, why in the right mind would a horse want to go into a dark enclosed trap, i fail to see why so many horses do load.
BlodwynRox 1 year ago
@BlodwynRox I agree that a horse that don't want to be loaded is very normal, going inside a trailer is against all their natural instincts. This horse is an angel compared to some of the other horses I work with, she is gentle, calm and very normal (just another reason why I don't like people suggesting inflicting pain to have her load). Some horses load because: they fear the pain if they don't, they trust the person loading them, its routine, they have explored the trailer on their own, etc.
NikitaHorse 1 year ago
This actually wasn't such a bad demo- no drama, lots of patience, no forcing (notice how, arond 6:30 when someone appeared behind the pony, its resistance increased because it felt a little trapped). The problem with what happened in this video was not what was seen here, but rather that no one has previously established a proper dominance and leadership position with this pony, so it does not feel obliged to follow the human lead and is not sufficiently confident and secure doing so.
operafan65 1 year ago
@operafan65 Yes, most horses that have bad experiences with trailers will react negative to someone moving behind them. It helps if the horse trusts the person leading them. I had only worked with the horse for a day or two when the owner mentioned that she had problems loading the horse on the trailer, so I went ahead and tried.
NikitaHorse 1 year ago
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the are very very stupid
iloveroos10 1 year ago
there are a million ways to get a horse used to trailer loading but the wa you did it was horrible bad you trained him to just walkout and pull you with and he gets his way
melkraklau 1 year ago
@melkraklau Actually I am the one that is asking the horse to walk around me every time he is hesitant to walk forward, this gives him a forward motion as supposed to a backwards one. And I do not let him pull me out I let him back out so he does not experience any pressure from me trying to pull him in, which causes most horses to pull more on the rope or even rear up and kick with their front feet. I get the job done with a calm, dry horse. What way would you have done it?
NikitaHorse 1 year ago
do u people know anything about loading a difficult horse!!!
its a disgrace u people are sick!
ttlyl 1 year ago
@ttlyl Who are you referring to? it would help if you're text was a bit more explanatory.
NikitaHorse 1 year ago
You should never ever load a horse into a trailer that isn't hitched...especially one this small. If this horse does decide to be dificult at any point while inside the trailer he/she could easily flip it, and then you'll probably never get that horse in a trailer again.
desertlanetraining 1 year ago
@desertlanetraining Yes, I totally agree that that should have been done. But the trailer is actually one of the biggest compared to what they have around here, and the pony is quite small. But that's not really any excuses it should be hitched.
NikitaHorse 1 year ago
thats not bad compared to some of our horses
horseygrl911 1 year ago
Shes doing it to slow, and giving the horse time to think. Its good to walk fast up to the trailer.
If the horse is really bad,
You fastly walk up, then push the horse back, walk fast up again and then push the horse back..
Repeat and over time the horse will release it's not a big deal and they will get off again and also they wont have time to think about it.
blondeandarmed 1 year ago
@blondeandarmed That method might work for a horse that has been on a trailer and off again a few times, and knows its not a big deal once they get on it. But not for a green horse that has no idea what the trailer is, or that needs the time to get over trauma, or one that has been forced on against its will with use of ropes, whips or force.
NikitaHorse 1 year ago
ich will ja nix sagen aba ein pferd verladet man norml mit transsport gamaschen und decke O_o
crazykitchen94 1 year ago
wow.. i could never have this much patience.... wow.... lol.. well done good video...
kassi890 2 years ago
SuperWendy - This is a horse that when forced into the trailer as you suggest will rear up swing around on the outside and try to get away from the pressure... so not only is your idea a bad one it will just confirm the fear of the trailer even more for a horse that do not like trailers. The way i do this is to train the horse away from the trailer first gaining his trust and then approaching the trailer with no fear or pressure, it relaxes them and after a couple of times they walk straight on.
NikitaHorse 2 years ago
he isnt difficult at all easy as pie, just whjy dont you get in then shut everything rather then letting him walk back out??
SuperWendyWu 2 years ago
@SuperWendyWu Acclimating the horse to the trailer.
GODZILLAMANASS 1 year ago
open the exit ramp but keep the bar up so he thinks he can go through but cant, and go in with a firm apporach to say we mean business, and dont take no for an answer, and then he'll aventually learn, and then you can just be nice
SuperWendyWu 2 years ago
@SuperWendyWu Don't you see though!? There is no need for fear or force!
xxhorsecrazedxx 1 year ago
Work outside on the ground and then take him slowly into the trailer and let him examine it then just work him outside and then when he actually goes inside leave him and if he gets out then work again. He'll eventually learn that trailer=rest and ground=work. It works 100% and no violence needed. Try it next time. Patience is good but just takes too long.
xlxOrtizxlx 2 years ago
mmmkay..wiggle a dressage whip behind him and less patience will be required :P cute horse...well pony :D
1213lizzard 2 years ago
The point is to make the horse want to get into the trailer by showing it it isnt scary. Threatening it to go in just cements the idea that it IS a scary place. Patience is definately the way to go
shioriness 2 years ago
@1213lizzard If you wiggle a dressage whip behind him and you get a hoof after you or a stressed horse that will back away from the trailer and refuse to put his hooves on the ramp, until the person with the whip has been removed from the premises.
NikitaHorse 1 year ago
Yes, its not my dog, but i know it's a very old dog. He walks around and greets people who come to visit, but he never runs or barks, he is allowed to limp a little when he walks ;-)
NikitaHorse 2 years ago
I know this is random but the dog looks like its limping a t like 8:28
GottoRide222 2 years ago
Well see if your patient one time, the horse will learn its noting to be afraid of and go faster on next time ;-)
NikitaHorse 2 years ago
Well done! But I call that alotta patience!
kfhoz 2 years ago