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  • Ok thanks for answering me - "the lost soul".

    For sure there are beautiful places like U said, next time I'll go to Melaten.

    Have a good night!

  • For me for example it's interesting to think about the symbols not in the way of common dogma. Symbols connects us with sth and well actually I've studied physics and I know that sometimes it's really hard to say sth about symbols. U can create a concept, but the question is what's more important, the real math behind it or the dogmatic interpretation of the symbols? That's why I like people like Pike and Maly P Hall.

  • Ok, deliberate mistakes, I like Manly P Hall lectures about this stuff(symbolism). You're right - critical thinking and analysis of the other systems - it's interesting. I mean it was long time ago. There wasn't a scientific method. Oh, I see that U believe that humanity is changing.

  • Roman invaders! Just kidding...I've read about it a little. I've seen Cologne - nice city(and some old buildings I was wondering which one survived WW2). Hamburg for instance was...I don't know I don't want to offend sb but: virtually destroyed historical center, prostitution on the streets - sad.... Although in Hamburg there's very interesting big cemetery with beautiful sculptures - very pretty ANGELS.

  • @frabmag Well, my father survived the Hamburg bombing nights as a child, NOT hiding in a vault. His aunt said "if we gonna die, then peaceful in our beds and not in those tiny cement rooms filled with frightened people". Their house was hit only once, no injuries... but they suddenly had a great view: they could see the harbour twenty blocks away. Should you come to Cologne again, visit Melaten, the most beautiful cemetry. People say whose burried in Melaten goes straight to heaven... :0)

  • U said that U're from Western Germany. That's interesting story about the Worms. Some Jewish monuments survived there, a little strange but maybe that's destiny.

  • @frabmag I live now between Cologne and Nettesheim, and was born and raised in Bonn. We got plenty of old relics around here, from roman times through the middle-ages till now.

    IMHO the most intersting part about Abraham's story about his voyage through europe is his critical approach that he met the different magicians with and that allowed him to see through their tricks.

  • Ok another question (forgive me but it's your topic I think(hope)) What do U think about new version of "The Book of Abramelin" I mean it's quite different and probably Crowley's conclusions are not proper. Crowley established contact with HGA, but he didn't use all of the possibilities that are available to present readers. So maybe it DOES work. Well I didn't try - do U now ,for example that these squares and other stuff from the book, actually work? Gold coins made by ghosts...LOL

  • @frabmag By "new version" you mean Liber 418, Aethyr 8? The difference that matters is that it takes less time now to establish the contact, I think this is a result of the movement of enlightment. In the original Abramelin some things (like the squares) have been added by later editors. In all grimoires, especially older ones, mistakes have been added to misdirect the uninitiated, those that know the systems can easily work out what's important and what's not (eg. Agrippa, part 1, chapter 44).

  • What we expect from equation, from pitches in music, from art changes the solution, the result. Only math is perfect(and solution is very strict) - in other subjects we choose. I mean how many changes Crowley did? I don't understand for example why Crowley changed his opinion about the nature of Holy Guardian Angel.

  • @frabmag Math doesn't describe reality, and physicists use it in a way that makes mathematicians sick. Crowley changed his opinion about the HGA as a result of his initiations, experience of reality changes the impressions that result in expectation. The wonderful thing about Crowley is, that he described all the steps of his way, that's why some people following him use the term "scientific illuminism".

  • @tmafkap Ok, let's say that it's a way of making a progress through experiment and new theory. Still, his first opinion about the HGA is popular. I mean that Crowley changed many things in magic, and for me it's the most interesting part. Well, it was a western mind but showed people from the West how to perceive things. I always was interested in West Africa - what cults remained in the Jungle and Sahara. I think that there are still some places to explore.

  • @frabmag Ok maybe I end it here, by the way - You should be an actor. You have a nice voice. Bye!

  • @frabmag Thank you, expecially for the nice conversation. West Africa is fascinating, much is lost and shall be rediscovered. Take a look at the Garamantes in north Africa, for example, very intersting stuff.

    Farewell and enjoy!

  • @tmafkap How could we understand Ancient Egypt, Greece, Phoenicia without understanding influences from outside? In some places there are only myths now, people are more "primitive" but still the mystery of the past lays there not in the modern world. Before everybody will be the same, it's important to know sth about them. Well, there aren't many books about Tuaregs, about the real cults in the jungle also. Funny that they for example see cosmos in the forest. Some kind of order is there too.

  • @frabmag It's sad that far from "civilization" there is something we could still learn. Even in my country north-eastern region (forest, marches...) is known from old myths, and natural medicine(magic also) and so on (funny that Christians go there to be cured and still some of them don't like paganism). LOL

  • Ok It's difficult topic so I maybe end it. Just I believe that art is full of metaphors and symbols. Sometimes I like to think that's it brings us to the the root like in Greek Philosophy, and maybe maybe Occult and Music is much closer to the root which we sometimes feel, than any other art. The question is - if there's the root (so above) what music is there?

  • @frabmag Can the root be what we expect it to be? How can we find something that may or may not match our expectations? In some rites of initiation the last step is to tear down the temple. Tools enable us to do things, but at the same time they limit us, so tearing down the temple allows us to get rid of the limitations of symbol systems and other tools. Isn't every human being the root of it's own perception? ;0)

  • In physics for example not all spectrum of possibilities we "continue" till the end. Why?Because we expect something realistic for example. Something what we know..so the world could be more complicated according to many equations(but that's only my opinion people don't like it especially scientist LOL). It's interesting because in occult or music I see similarities.For example in the last century every sound became a possible part of music composition.

  • @frabmag Well, reminds me of the Lovecraft quote on my channel page. I think it's the most important step in human evolution at the moment to cope with the universe's complexity without falling back into religious behaviour. Modern science developed from occult arts, and there is still much hidden in occult teachings that can help on our journey. The art of initiation, for example, has to still appear monsterous for scientists.

  • @tmafkap It's true.But it takes time to understand it. I didn't know this when I was 18 for example.I think that after some time every art has its own gods.No matter what human nature will be stronger, they will change ideas, art, science...and there will be authority, rulers, popes That's why I understand Crowley and his way of constructing the "ORDERS".

  • Well, That's true about Icke. I also found it interesting. But I don't like this purely materialistic theory about blood lines. Ok, it's not only materialistic, because hybrids, the Book of Enoch...who knows...just part of my family was also from aristocracy and didn't observe reptilian features - I know it's not what Icke says about it but still people interpret this in the form of 20-21 century common western way of thinking. Well Crowley said that we must think alone(I simplify).

  • @frabmag I assume that Icke uses the "adventurous" stuf he tells, all the hard to believe stuff, as bait to attract people with an open mind, and when he got them he gives them his true message, which is quite simple: love, respect, understanding. He shows them that the universe is larger than they thought, and he shows them what others believe (like blood lines) and that those act upon their believes, and he shows the result of those actions.

  • @tmafkap Well, sounds like real conspiracy! LOL I don't know maybe you're right. It's hard to tell. For Icke seems like a decent guy and my intuition tells me that it's not Alex Jones - so called "controlled opposition". Well, in Communism "controlled opposition" was the key for the Government who creates them not only to control people but also to sustain financial power even after the Revolution. That's what happened in Russia and in part Hungary, Poland. USA is different?Goldman is different?

  • About OWO you're right (for example Christianity vs. Magic )

    Well I'm learning German, I have to (classical music, occult, art,so on...)Thanks God! simple Grammar, Pronunciation.

    So I check your suggestions about Bardon and Kabbalah. Sometimes I just think that only music can express what we feel or our soul just like in Tibetan culture. That's what I like in Romanticism - the idea of total art!

  • @frabmag Well, I know only two words in polish: Pivo and the other one (strong language, you know which word it is ;0)).

    There is a difference between symbols (words are just symbols) and what they describe. Getting the mind to work directly, without symbols or idealisms, is one of the most important steps in occultism. Being able to think in different languages and symbol systems like kaballah or mathematics can help on that way.

  • Well, I have family in Sweden (now it's actually polish-swedish family).So, Swedish are not able to learn almost anything in Polish.LOL.It's very difficult language, both pronunciation and grammar.Maybe Czechs and Slovakians are able to learn better.

    But That's important point about symbolism,something like the Feynman's lectures on physics. The thing is what set of symbols or sets of expression (for artists) do we choose. But there's a catch - what to do with let's say our equation.

  • @frabmag Learning a language or any other symbol system is not only an intellectual task, it also needs inuition and "feeling". Do you know the best way to learn a language? When you lie in the arms of a lover that talks that language... ;0) I bet that any swedish guy who falls in love with one of those polish hotties learns polish in no time!

  • Thanks for the answers I have to read and check it. Well I have similar point of view about NWO, just maybe I'm not able to express it correctly. I don't understand why you say except Icke...what about him? After Communism I know what Intelligence can do. For example in Poland we were forced by Russians to train terrorist from ETA, Arab countries, to put funny people talking about German(NAZI)/Jewish/Alien etc conspiracy. It wasn't OWO - just Russian tactics. And people believed in that crap!

  • @frabmag About Icke: it took me some years to understand him. The fantastic stuff (like reptoids) is diversion, misdirection. But understandable with simple esoteric knowledge: those people that let their "lower chakras" control themselves, the chakras connected to the reptilian parts of the brain, are ruthless enough to get into power and stay there. IMHO Icke does good work, he helped to prepare what now is expressed in the occupy movement.

  • You've said that you're a Kabbalist, but what does it really mean, there are different "schools"I was thinking about it and I'm really interested if you "use" Bardon's Kabbalah. It's actually different, more universal? Or maybe it's just not true. Maybe, it's like in Enochian Magic case - the most interesting thing is that it all works, lol you know that's what I say know to stubborn atheist with a big smile about this "stuff".

  • @frabmag Good question! I consider myself a "thelemic kabbalist", as opposed to christian kabbalah (used in older occultism, cf. Agrippa of Nettesheim, John Dee or Eliphas Levi) or the hebrew original forms of kabbalah. Some of Bardon's stuff is good and helps to learn, but there are other aspects that are misleading. Remember the three pillars of scientific work: theory, practice and history. Bardon came from somewhere, and that history helps to understand his theories and the practice.

  • So I follow Bardon's "tutorials", I know that many folks think that it's very demanding. Well it is... But when you don't know what to do, choose what is more difficult(I don;t know how to translate it).

    Well; That's actually my question. What about Bardon?

  • @frabmag Bardon was a member of a group that followed Rah Omir Quintscher, the "Orden mentalischer Baumeister", which followed the principles of Adonism. Bardon was not initiated into the inner teachings of that order and in some of his books that can be clearly seen when Bardon's stuff is compared to the originals of the Adonists. So Bardon published material that contained the traps and mistakes that protect the stuff from those that lack initiation. Search for Dr. Musallam and Quintscher! ;0)

  • Well, maybe some people think it's a joke but during the Nazi occupation of Warsaw people with occult abilities had special papers - they were a different class of people. So, I can ask - is it impossible in the future?

    There are more interesting things about Nazis (like magical "pagan" places and so on) I just wanted to say that I believe in occult roots of Nazi Germany and I think that maybe NWO is a crap but still we have to be very careful about Black an White Magic. It's just dangerous.

  • @frabmag Well, in 1950 the german population was about 97% christian, and many things the Nazis did, like their antisemitism, were of christian origin, so talking about occult roots of german NS has to consider the history of christian occultism (most occultism is chrstian, like rosycrucianism or freemasonry).

    Also, there were many people with special papers in NS, like jews, gay people, and so on. All of those were a different class of people in those dark days...

  • I've watched your videos. Very interesting although I miss some topics. Well, I'm form Poland so probably it's not a surprise that I believe in Bardon's "mission"

    The thing is that I've heard a lot from my family about Nazi occult. When you're speaking about NWO it seams like you don't believe in conspiracy. Make no mistake - I don't believe in most of this "crap", but I think that people in charge are interested in occult powers. That's dangerous.

  • @frabmag When some people talk about NWO, always ask yourself what kind of OWO do they want to protect, in other words: what's their agenda in spreading warnings about NWO? Occultism in politics: why do (and what makes) people believe in fictional stuff like money or nations? Think about that and you may find the real occult dimensions no conspiracy theorist dares to point at (except maybe David Icke)...

  • I'm thrilled to see you back, friend. I've always loved the material you put out. You are an amazing person and I truly appreciate your experience and expression of the art of life. Thank you for being. All the Very Best, J.R.

  • Great Lesson, nice to see you back :> We should get a chat room going again hopefully others will join this time round ;)

  • Its wonderful to see ya back! your videos are always good, How is your Art comming along?

  • @MercuryRizing777 Hi Patricia! Art was as slow as my videos this year so far, maybe I'll do a video about it soon. Mainly origami and a little sculpture.... funny geometric stuff. :)

  • great to see ya back...

  • Changing perception by liberating your own concepts!...I love that!

  • Hey there. Good to see another video from you.

  • Long time no post.nice to see a good one

  • Good to see some new videos! I feel that disappointment is an extremely important means of grounding oneself. Allowing oneself to be humbled leads to greater developments and progression. As Nietzsche said, "He that humbleth himself wishes to be exalted."

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