@ayasalman Are you serious? Do you even read the Quran. The call to establish salah is ALL over the quran. It' is mentioned more then the command to make wudu'. Actually I can prove to you that the Quran is not complete by shia'a sources. You may not believe the Quran is incomplete but please do not say "shia's " believe the quran is complete, because not all shia'as scholars believe this.
@aim786 I dont think u understand what i mean..I mean it doesn't say how to actually pray in the Qur'an..I know it talks about salah in the Qur'an all over.. Yes i do read the Qur'an. And I can prove to u that the Qur'an is complete by the Qur'an itself and for u to come to my house and look at the Qur'an i have urself. And u were on al islam website looking at the Qur'an there its complete there. I really dont care what some "sayings" may say about it being incomplete those are not authentic
@ayasalman Like I said I am glad you don't believe that. But that does not refute the fact that their are Shia'a scholars who are high ranking that know more then you or me about Shia'a doctrines, and they hold this belief. I mean could even scan the pages of the so called "so wilayah and surah noorayn" that they believe are missing from the Quran and show you. With regards to one more thing. I am sorry if you find this offensive or rude but debates bring tough questions and tough responses.
@aim786 they want to act bigger in knowledge than other ppl when they are not, u cant just put on an imama and call urself a moulana. Only God knows what those "scholars" where thinking in that view..just saying somethin gout of of their frustration to fit their needs. There is no such surahs no where there ever such surahs of wilayah and noorayn. Well im not debating u..i was jsut commenting.
@aim786 Shia's do believe the Qur'an is complete..i don't think u listened to mohammed2k8 throughouly he said like all others say that we base the authenticity by each hadith not by the book..one hadith may be authentic and u go to the next one and its totally not authentic..but its collected anyways cuz i guess it was claimed to be a hadith. Ok some scholars may say its incomplete but most say its complete.
@ayasalman Like I said some shia'as believe the Quran is incomplete based on EVIDENCE from THEIR books. Whether you agree it is authentic or not is not my business. The fact remains that not only some Shi'ias but even some Shi'a scholars hold this opinion . So its not fair to say that "shia's believe the Quran is complete", because that would mean that ALL shia's believe that and that is not true. Where as ALL the sunnis believe the Quran is complete.
@aim786 u never said "some" shias. u said "shias". Those few ppl who hold the opinion of the Qur'an being incomplete they are ignorant and misguided, and the Qur'an clearly says the Qur'an is complete. Those "shia's who say the Qur'an is incomplete are not shias at all let alone Muslims. They don't represent Shia Islam. Not that im trying to bring up anything but some would say that in ur own hadith books it talks about the Qur'an a page of it being ate by a goat,etc.
@ayasalman Listen I don't have to say to "some shia'as" because we are talking about general comments. I could say the Zaidyya believe the Quran is complete, but I could not say the "shia'a believe it is complete" because that simply not true. I am glad you think the Quran is complete. That is a good sign that you don't buy into all the fabrications about this issue. Again about the goat, The Quran was ALREADY completely revealed and as we all know the Huffaz of the quran know it by heart.
@ayasalman I dont care about non Muslims, Why dont you just man up and say that you made a mistake in saying All Shi'as do not believe the Quran is complete. Its a simple fact. Why are you running, beating around the bush. The FACT is that not all shi'as and shia'a scholars believe the Quran is complete in the form we have today, so NOBODY can say that ALL shia'a believe the Quran is complete. The other fact is that ALL sunnis say the Quran is complete!
@aim786 lol sorry im a sister and ur soo disrespectful to the sisters. I never said "all shia's do not believe the Quran is complete" stop making words up. Your sooo on the defensive my God..i say a simple comment and u want to jump down my throat..i dont know if ur married or nto but u need a life,, get out side breathe some fresh air take in what Allah (swt) given u than come back and be nice. I never made a mistake in my sayings..what mistake?
@ayasalman I did not know you were female, but any who you are not getting the point. The point is that there shia'as who believe that the quran is not complete. So nobody can say in general "shia'a believe the Quran is complete. Let me give you an example to put things into perspective. If I said Americans believe alcohol is bad. This is a false statement because NOT all Americans believe it is bad. OF course there are those who do but its not ALL so you can not use the general terms.
@aim786 out of 1,000,000 Shias 10 might think its not complete and those are the less knowledgable ones. Shias believe the Qur'an is complete only a few bad apples "who u claim would be shia" say its incomplete but in fact does not represent Shia Islam so they r not Shia so in fact they dont represent "shias believe the quran is incomplete" cuz theya re nto shia
@aim786 You know its HARAM to accuse somebody of something or doing something that they didnt do. I never ran nor am i beating around the bush..i simply posted a comment and ur being all "ahhh" about it. Those like is aid that believe the Qur'an is incomplete are NOT SHIAS' nor are they MUSLIMS. I can say Shia's believe the Qur'an is complete. I doubt that..like i mentioend to u there are hadiths that say pages of the Qur'an where ate by a goat, etc. etc.
@ayasalman You are running around! You are running from the FACT that certain shia'a scholars don't believe the Quran is complete. Some of them are amongst the most prominent . If I were to give you a link of a famous shia'a scholar saying the Quran is not complete, will you cal him a kafir? If you do, then only then will I believe you. Even that hadith about a goat eating pages, it has nothing to do because the Quran was memorized! It is an ORAL tradition.We do not depend on them!
@aim786 i dont "run around" in conversations..i planing state the facts, opinions, comments,etc. and i move on. Those "scholars" are not "scholars" like i said they are not even Shia or Muslim. Don't mix up who u think is prominate or famous in ur view when in fact they are not famous or prominant in our view. What famous "shia" scholar u r talking about? talking about Qur'an being memorized why would bukhari even SUGGEST that the Propeht forgot verses, he's suppose to be the 1st hafiz
@aim786 Ali (as) as a hafiz of the Qur'an himself never said the Qur'an is incomplete so i dont know where ppl get that from it has nothing to do with anything as the Qur'an was memorized as u urself said.
duude why are u even trying to talk he wiped the floor on u and bemybro i suggest u give up loooool
bo3ali0000 8 months ago
salah is not in the Qur'an but wudhu is..and Qur'an is the authentic book on both sides (sunni and shia) so accepted by both..
ayasalman 8 months ago
@ayasalman Are you serious? Do you even read the Quran. The call to establish salah is ALL over the quran. It' is mentioned more then the command to make wudu'. Actually I can prove to you that the Quran is not complete by shia'a sources. You may not believe the Quran is incomplete but please do not say "shia's " believe the quran is complete, because not all shia'as scholars believe this.
aim786 8 months ago
@aim786 I dont think u understand what i mean..I mean it doesn't say how to actually pray in the Qur'an..I know it talks about salah in the Qur'an all over.. Yes i do read the Qur'an. And I can prove to u that the Qur'an is complete by the Qur'an itself and for u to come to my house and look at the Qur'an i have urself. And u were on al islam website looking at the Qur'an there its complete there. I really dont care what some "sayings" may say about it being incomplete those are not authentic
ayasalman 8 months ago
@ayasalman Like I said I am glad you don't believe that. But that does not refute the fact that their are Shia'a scholars who are high ranking that know more then you or me about Shia'a doctrines, and they hold this belief. I mean could even scan the pages of the so called "so wilayah and surah noorayn" that they believe are missing from the Quran and show you. With regards to one more thing. I am sorry if you find this offensive or rude but debates bring tough questions and tough responses.
aim786 8 months ago
@aim786 they want to act bigger in knowledge than other ppl when they are not, u cant just put on an imama and call urself a moulana. Only God knows what those "scholars" where thinking in that view..just saying somethin gout of of their frustration to fit their needs. There is no such surahs no where there ever such surahs of wilayah and noorayn. Well im not debating u..i was jsut commenting.
ayasalman 8 months ago
@aim786 Shia's do believe the Qur'an is complete..i don't think u listened to mohammed2k8 throughouly he said like all others say that we base the authenticity by each hadith not by the book..one hadith may be authentic and u go to the next one and its totally not authentic..but its collected anyways cuz i guess it was claimed to be a hadith. Ok some scholars may say its incomplete but most say its complete.
ayasalman 8 months ago
@ayasalman Like I said some shia'as believe the Quran is incomplete based on EVIDENCE from THEIR books. Whether you agree it is authentic or not is not my business. The fact remains that not only some Shi'ias but even some Shi'a scholars hold this opinion . So its not fair to say that "shia's believe the Quran is complete", because that would mean that ALL shia's believe that and that is not true. Where as ALL the sunnis believe the Quran is complete.
aim786 8 months ago
@aim786 u never said "some" shias. u said "shias". Those few ppl who hold the opinion of the Qur'an being incomplete they are ignorant and misguided, and the Qur'an clearly says the Qur'an is complete. Those "shia's who say the Qur'an is incomplete are not shias at all let alone Muslims. They don't represent Shia Islam. Not that im trying to bring up anything but some would say that in ur own hadith books it talks about the Qur'an a page of it being ate by a goat,etc.
ayasalman 8 months ago
@ayasalman Listen I don't have to say to "some shia'as" because we are talking about general comments. I could say the Zaidyya believe the Quran is complete, but I could not say the "shia'a believe it is complete" because that simply not true. I am glad you think the Quran is complete. That is a good sign that you don't buy into all the fabrications about this issue. Again about the goat, The Quran was ALREADY completely revealed and as we all know the Huffaz of the quran know it by heart.
aim786 8 months ago
@aim786 a lot of non muslims will bring that point up
ayasalman 8 months ago
@ayasalman I dont care about non Muslims, Why dont you just man up and say that you made a mistake in saying All Shi'as do not believe the Quran is complete. Its a simple fact. Why are you running, beating around the bush. The FACT is that not all shi'as and shia'a scholars believe the Quran is complete in the form we have today, so NOBODY can say that ALL shia'a believe the Quran is complete. The other fact is that ALL sunnis say the Quran is complete!
aim786 8 months ago
@aim786 lol sorry im a sister and ur soo disrespectful to the sisters. I never said "all shia's do not believe the Quran is complete" stop making words up. Your sooo on the defensive my God..i say a simple comment and u want to jump down my throat..i dont know if ur married or nto but u need a life,, get out side breathe some fresh air take in what Allah (swt) given u than come back and be nice. I never made a mistake in my sayings..what mistake?
ayasalman 8 months ago
@ayasalman I did not know you were female, but any who you are not getting the point. The point is that there shia'as who believe that the quran is not complete. So nobody can say in general "shia'a believe the Quran is complete. Let me give you an example to put things into perspective. If I said Americans believe alcohol is bad. This is a false statement because NOT all Americans believe it is bad. OF course there are those who do but its not ALL so you can not use the general terms.
aim786 8 months ago
@aim786 out of 1,000,000 Shias 10 might think its not complete and those are the less knowledgable ones. Shias believe the Qur'an is complete only a few bad apples "who u claim would be shia" say its incomplete but in fact does not represent Shia Islam so they r not Shia so in fact they dont represent "shias believe the quran is incomplete" cuz theya re nto shia
ayasalman 8 months ago
@aim786 You know its HARAM to accuse somebody of something or doing something that they didnt do. I never ran nor am i beating around the bush..i simply posted a comment and ur being all "ahhh" about it. Those like is aid that believe the Qur'an is incomplete are NOT SHIAS' nor are they MUSLIMS. I can say Shia's believe the Qur'an is complete. I doubt that..like i mentioend to u there are hadiths that say pages of the Qur'an where ate by a goat, etc. etc.
ayasalman 8 months ago
@ayasalman You are running around! You are running from the FACT that certain shia'a scholars don't believe the Quran is complete. Some of them are amongst the most prominent . If I were to give you a link of a famous shia'a scholar saying the Quran is not complete, will you cal him a kafir? If you do, then only then will I believe you. Even that hadith about a goat eating pages, it has nothing to do because the Quran was memorized! It is an ORAL tradition.We do not depend on them!
aim786 8 months ago
@aim786 i dont "run around" in conversations..i planing state the facts, opinions, comments,etc. and i move on. Those "scholars" are not "scholars" like i said they are not even Shia or Muslim. Don't mix up who u think is prominate or famous in ur view when in fact they are not famous or prominant in our view. What famous "shia" scholar u r talking about? talking about Qur'an being memorized why would bukhari even SUGGEST that the Propeht forgot verses, he's suppose to be the 1st hafiz
ayasalman 8 months ago
@aim786 Ali (as) as a hafiz of the Qur'an himself never said the Qur'an is incomplete so i dont know where ppl get that from it has nothing to do with anything as the Qur'an was memorized as u urself said.
ayasalman 8 months ago