Quick Fact: Debunking Scarbough's False Claim Re: Trials Of Foreign Terror Suspects

[pepschmidt]

don't believe everything you see on the internet!

[Merlin5x5]

@PNACATTACKdotCOM

Maybe the false flag terrorism was rejected for the same reason 9/11 Truth conspiracies are rejected.

It was farcical to begin with.

Since President Kennedy was a member of the secret NWO, a WW2 veteran, the inspiration and founder of the Green Berets, and someone who predicted a future FULL of small scale wars against the west, I doubt he would be a Truther.

The democratic party has veered to the left Jack Kennedy and Scoop Jackson opposed during their life.

[Merlin5x5]

Yes, I am a Vietnam Vet.

I served from Sept. 1972 to Sept 1976, and was reserve for another 10 years.

My family is military, I went in when I was 16 years, 5 months.

"First to serve, and Last to Serve, long before draftees, and long after." = military family motto

[Merlin5x5]

Gee, PNACATTACKMoron.

Who has more at stake, and would know history better than military families?

My uncles use to tell me how and where the gun emplacements on Tarawa were, 2 of them were there.

4 family members died on D-day. 6 over 15 years in Vietnam.

History, specially the last SEVEN presidents being attacked, and using military force against islamic jihadists since 1969, are pretty basic to me.

Too bad you are an ignorant Jackass, or I would teach it to you.

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[Merlin5x5]

LMAO, you have been brainwashed by a FUCKING WEBSITE, Cockroach.

What makes you think I can be brainwashed when I sure can question your little bag of shit logic, and point out YOUR historical stupidities?

YOU SUCK DICK, moron.

You just are too stupid to know it.

Don't worry, bitch, it's good for your skin.

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[Merlin5x5]

Wow, you are certifiably psychotic, huh?

I can't help it if the United States of America fucks your ass repeatedly.

It seems pretty easy to do.

Finland, after all, is where ANY caribou can fuck a finlander.

You are, probably, just another Arab cockroach wandering around the North, because arab countries tried to sell you to some Imam as his butt boy.

You sound like it.

CAPS, don't make you a man, Finlander.

Fighting for your freedom against Arab filth does.

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[PNACATTACKdotCOM]

HOW IT FEELS TO BE A VOLUNTEERLY A TERRORIST? (VIETNAM WAR)

I BET YOU WERE CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALIST ALL READY IN VIETNAM?

DID YOU HAD TEXT IN HELMET ALSO: KILL GOOK FOR A GOD?- Like those other Christian Fundamentalist Fascists there?

[Merlin5x5]

Yup, it feels pretty good to be a US Vietnam veteran.

The whole point of Vietnam was to contain communism until it died from it's own stupidity.

And it died from its own stupidity.

Just like you will.

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[PNACATTACKdotCOM]

"The whole point of Vietnam was to contain communism until it died from it's own stupidity. "

HAHAHA STUPID! Whole IDEA WAS To sell WEAPONS !

[PNACATTACKdotCOM]

I will die Laughing how Stipid and NAIVE you have been whoel your life :)

US WAS NEVER FIGHTING AGAISNT COMMUNISM. WHOLE IDEA WAS TO MAKE WWII FASCIST WAR PROFITEERS TO CONTINUE THEIR after WWII started - US MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX weapon Bu$iness.

USA BACKED +30 DICTATORS - AND OVERTHROW OVER 20 FUNCTIONING GOVERNMENTS - WHICH WEREN'T MOSTLY NOT OMMUNISTS...

[Merlin5x5]

LMAO, and we Keep getting Richer, More powerful, and conquer all you little arab assholes every time we ignore you.

Isn't that amazing?

Everytime the US ignores your stupid conspiracy moron asshole for a mouth, More democracies are born!?

EVERY "Dictator" we support, from Spain's king, to Phillipines, to South America's generals, ends up richer and more connected to the world.

I mean, asshole, even Iraq is richer now than finland.

And a LOT more intelligent, going by you.

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[PNACATTACKdotCOM]

Did you know that KILLING and STEALING OIL and LIEING - ARE against Bible :D Just like those Fundamentalist Nazi-Fascist Terrorist in ARMY-NAZI-FASCISM in IRAQ are doing now - THOSE who are serving AFTER WMD lies were revealed? AND AREN't AWOL like US CONSTITUTION woul DEMAND (example: Semper FIDELIS = OATH FOR US CONSTITUTION - NOT FOR PRESIDENT Source. PBS, Bill Moyers)

[Merlin5x5]

SO, Saddam killed and stole oil and lied?

Wow, you are one hell of an Arab Jackass.

Arab DOGS like you have been attacking the US since it's start, and you have not won jack shit yet.

The Barbary Wars resulted in death and destruction for the Pasha, the Palestinians are DYING every day they attack Israel.

EVEN the ancient Gods of the chaldeans wanted to destroy the "Black headed peoples" for being ignorant and destructive.

SO, it's not like your race has any value.

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[PNACATTACKdotCOM]

No I'm not Arab - Unlike You I just have Brains and Knowlewdge - instead brainfarts like you have :D

You don't EVEN know youir OWN stae moron- You as stupid like Germans and Soviets were - like Germans and Russians are today - and 30-40% of British - ALL FROM NATIONS WHERE BRAINSWASHING HAVE BEEN PART OF GOV POLICY :D

ZIONIST Are pure Nazis today. I have Huge amount material to comparte them like ISRAEL, UK and USA to old NAZIS.

[heymakers]

All i know is I wouldn't want to be the court appointed lawyer assigned to the terrorists. Talk about pressure.

[cocobear33]

the reason why they keep attacking is because of bull shit like what obama is about to do , do you really think these guys fear us no and why should they when obama is giving them a free pass , we need more prezs like bush , you might hate him but bush never back down , you fuck with the USA he's coming after you , obama on the other hand , the terrorist could wipe out a whole state and obama will give them milk and cookies

[TeacherMonkey]

Tactically its pure idiocy to give a group who thrives on martyrdom a fresh supply of martyrs by making them enemy combatants. The whole issue is an asinine argument. Bringing them here to stand trial is not an automatic terrorist attack waiting to happen. These people aren't James frikin Bonds. Our prisons are already filled with serial killers, rapists, gangsters, mob bosses, much more dangerous people. they are lucky to get a trial. they might be killed in prison before they get to a judge.

[shoogie06]

They'll be in prison with some of the most dangerous Americans in the country many of who will want to get revenge. I kinda fear for the terrorists, a bit.

[andrewh23]

If you want a quick and easy way to asses the freedom and quality of a society, look to how it treats its worst criminals. The US criminal justice system was revolutionary at its birth and must remain so.

[deckzone3000]

A conservative has his own show on MSNBC?! Impossible! Conservatives claim MSNBC is a liberal channel.

*closes eyes and covers ears*

[LeftyRex22]

Foster is an idiot

[foster9701]

Nice argument... Show me how many JAG officers refused... I never heard that... I would like to see proof.. The idea that a foreign fighter that has no government can be at war killing Americans and then when captured take advantage of our legal system is absurd. We have a legal court for combatants... Its the Military court. Its good enough for our soldiers "US citizens" but not good enough for terrorists? What happens when they get off on slick lawyering.

[foster9701]

What does it say to the other terrorists when you give them heroes and embolden them in a public forum? These people you are defending us their children to cut the heads off their own people. This is about going after our intel community, bush etc...Its an ACLU move and is rather sick... Justice can and would be served in a military court...But you dont want that, Its not about justice for any of you that believe this is a good move. Dont hide behind that...

[Tsanuri]

@foster9701 I respectfully disagree. Treat them like any other criminal. That is all they are. Your method leads to bigger martyrs.

Fair, open, balanced trials will expose the terrorist for what they are. They will be singing to the choir and it will alienate those who could have been duped down the path to terrorism by a picture of a martyr who never got to speak.

[foster9701]

It sounds good, and I respect your opinion...However he did not rob a store, or in fact commit murder.....He killed 3000 US civilians. In a war... He came up with the idea and help finance it...I respect all your opinions however giving this person our constitutional rights is the wrong way to go IMO...We have a system for this type of person...Military tribunals. To say this is about justice is naive in my opinion... Its politics at its worse..

[Tsanuri]

You say he committed 3000 murders in a war: Which war? Keeping these people away from a fair trial was politics at its worst; bringing them to toe is simply due process.

The crime committed was an act of terrorism. Unfortunately your possition aids in the glorification of such acts.

The law has been set to deal with terrorism. It has dealt with it up to now (successfully and without giving a shred of heroism to the perpetator), and I feel is can and should continue to do so in the future.

[NotEasilyRegimented]

Do you think KSM should be allowed to represent himself in the courtroom? Or should we abrogate his rights to hold forth as his own attorney>?

[icanhasheadache]

I feel as though the Constitution applies to everyone, not just citizens... We don't deny people in the UK the right to freedom of speech when they come to visit. If that isn't true, I don't think we're following the Constitution the way it was intended.

[SatwaMan]

Its time to hold the United States to International Law

[lms264t]

This is a hard thing to say, but they are not considered war criminals. Remember: Bush refused to abide by the Geneva Convention. Alberto Ganzales, who at that time was White House Counsel, called the Geneva Convention "Archaic, Quaint, and out of touch with modern times." Because Bush would not abide by the Geneva Convention, the Attorney General John Ashcrot invented the term "Enemy Combatant" to get around the Geneva Convention.

[LQQJ]

IMS264t

all the demons u just mentioned should be jailed and burned in hell.

[foster9701]

Geneva Convention is for combatants that fight for a country in uniform...And BTW we do hold to that convention...Now the argument is on the gathering of intel....Torture etc. Which is a issue...and I can see a valid argument that we where wrong...But let me say this. They do not hold to such standards...They capture our soldiers they dont get three meals a day...Our soldiers get killed... humiliated dragged through the street...And your upset because we deprive them of sleep? play load music...

[NoiseCollector]

Please chase away the last rational person so the clinton dynasty network will die once and for all.

[JayPhilosopher]

We do not know if any of these men are guilty or innocent until they have a fair trial.

Bush's attack against our legal justice system was one of the worst aspects of the horrid Bush administration. Instead of the American justice system, Bush substituted the Bush justice system, under which every man accused by Bush officials as having committed a crime is automatically judged guilty without the chance to defend himself. It is equivalent to the special courts created in 1933 by Hitler.

[WWJCashD]

Nothing more unamerican than being a flag pin wearing bull shit damn republican. Lets count the ways:

1) Republican governor from Texas wants seccession from the country

2) Osama Bin Laden given up for a bullshit war in IRAQ that has killed over 4000 Americans

3) Does not think the American Justice system will prevail

4) Resorts to scare tactics to affect voting when Bush was in power (raising and lowering terror alert)

5) MIchelle Bachman, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh

[anarchyclayman]

i'm afraid of americans.

[JocularINC]

Boooo!!!!

:O

[ndvuncle]

When people who put country before party, and politics are in the White House. Criminals who bomb Americans are brought to trial. That's because the current occupant of the WH believes in our system. The last administration did not. They were cowards who did not, and do not think our system can prosecute these criminals. Good riddance to the morons who left our country in shambles. Too bad we still have morons puking out the same tired old talking points.

[foster9701]

I will type real slowly for you to understand this...... HE IS NOT A US CITIZEN . FUKIN wake up.... NOT A AMERICAN, Was not caught in the states. IS A TERRORIST AT WAR WITH THE US.... For petes sake...Watch when this guy get 20 years instead of life. Or walks....Fukin moron

[nospacesallowed]

You really think any american is going to vote not guilty?????? really? You really think any judge is not going to give him the maximum? really?

Lets get another example a foreigner commits murder and then runs to mexico. Mexico catches him and gives him back to the us. Do we even need a trial or should we just take him out back and shoot him?

Our Justice system extends to non citizens as well as citizens.

[foster9701]

Its law. If we didnt give him rights then yes by our law he walks, But I dont think that will happen. But we will see....

And our justice system, Our rights under the US constitution should not extend to war criminals.... Its a war crime not a robbery...3000 US dead....One reporter beheaded all in the name of ALAH.....yes its war criminals and they do not deserve our legal system, Military tribunal.....Out back bullet in the head and be done with it.

[Silveracity]

How do you know someone is a war criminal if they have not had a trial?

Answer: You cant, until they are convicted of a war crime.

How much evidence of guilt have you seen?

Answer: Probably none. I havent seen any either.

[foster9701]

Ummmmm how can you convict someone after they have been detained without their constitutional rights? Most people get off from that...Doesnt even make it to 12 men in a jury....

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We do not know if any of these men are guilty or innocent until they have a fair trial.

WTF......This is the left....The guy killed 3000 US people one reporter....Admitted it.... WTF...

[foster9701]

The constitution does not apply to non us. I am sorry... And to those that think he wouldn't have a fair trial, He would have had a military trial. Like a war criminal deserves. I.But he does have rights according to military law for war combatants. You guys only weakin our country...Some people do not want peice, they want death for everyone not like them...But instead of dealing with it, fairly and quickly you want to drag things out, under the same legal system that allowed OJ to walk....

[stealth63]

Quick question-Why did so many of the JAGs resign or refuse to prosecute the Gitmo cases? Do you think that these highly trained military lawyers knew something was not kosher? Seems like a lot of them talked about following their conscience and violating their oaths. Why do the people who are the first wave the flag not believe in the strength of our institutions? The criminal courts have convicted a lot more terrorist than the military courts. Let justice be served.

[kaysandesses]

"The constitution does not apply to non us."

HAHAHAHAHAHA Idiot. If that were truly the case then no illegal alien in the U.S. would be given the same rights to representation, due process, and protections against self-incrimination that U.S. citizens enjoy.

Still laughing at your comment.

[foster9701]

Well correct, I was talking about battlefield combatants... I should be clear...

[kaysandesses]

Gotcha foster9701. I retract my snickering. As others have pointed out, the SCOTUS has already ruled that they are entitled to trials in civilian courts.

[foster9701]

Ok, But if they are entitled to our civilian courts and this guy walks on a tech, then shame on us... I am just a citizen speaking out...Fair process has and can be given in a military court....Now soldiers in war have to worry about collection of evidence....Our justice system is based on precedent..Once you establish it game over....

[kaysandesses]

That's all good and fine but the Supreme Court (a right leaning one at that) has already held that the civilian criminal courts are the appropriate venue. Think about this too: even if he "walks on a tech" on one charge, there are so many different charges available that he'll never be out of custody as long as he lives. Our justice system is based on precedent, but those precedents are changed all the time either through legislation or through higher court action.

[andrewh23]

As an attorney, I can tell you that the court must bring all charges that are based on the same set of facts or criminal transaction simultaneously or risk violating guarantees of a speedy trial.

[kaysandesses]

Thanks for primer andrewh23. Do you know if the same rule applies with military tribunals?

[andrewh23]

kayandesses is absolutely correct. The constitution's 14th amendment guarantees due process and equal protect to all "people," not just citizens. The Supreme Court has recognized this many times. Read the 14th yourself.

[kaysandesses]

"Read the 14th yourself. "

Oh geez, now some "sovrun ceetizen" will post some screed about the difference between state and federal citizenship.

[Tsanuri]

Innocent until proven guilty. Leave this behind and you leave behind the whole concept of law, justice and due process.

[foster9701]

You can get justice from the military courts. Soldiers in battle do not collect evidence, nor read the rights to them. Military courts give rights and due process.... 3000 dead in a war....Sept 11,they was at war with the US for years...We treated them like criminals and they kept coming. Embassy bombings, Yemen and trade center twice....They are at war....We are at war...Treating them like criminals is exactly what we did wrong...even if you want to see it or not...

[Silveracity]

Americans can evaluate any evidence and vote guilty or not guilty based on that evidence.

I have not seen any evidence, so I couldnt say how I would vote.

[EnhancementSmoker]

whether or not hes a US citizen is irrelevant...no matter how evil he is hes still entitled due process...even nazis had due process...

are you aware of the supreme court decision which ruled these fuckers are entitled to habeas rights...probably not...cuz ur to busy on youtube typing caps and calling people morons...

i guess the right leaning supreme court under the bush admin are fuckin morons too huh?

[Nictusempra]

Timothy McVeigh "blew up americans, killed americans" too, Scarborough.

[christogarcia]

The Mainstream Media are all liars in an elaborate Reality Show for the dumbed down masses who buy their bullshit so that the Elites can continue fucking us over and destroying our country.

[lewghost]

damn!!!

[JMillion]

KSM belongs to no government. Therefore no military trial. KSM is not in any way a general or a political leader from a foreign country. He is a terrorist. Just like the 17 Hijackers armed with plastic box cuttters. You can't declare war on a country that hasn't declared it attacked you. That's why this whole thing is a lie. I'm not on KSM side by any means. But, duh what did you think was gonna happen. You can't just lock up people and not charge them with a crime and keep them in jail forever.

[foley15136]

If a U.S. citizen (Timmy McV) committed such crimes today or more exactly, during the Bush years, they would be denied those precious Constitutional right. Under hie unConstitutional policies, they too would be denied rights and possibly sent to Gitmo (unless they were right wingnuts)

[auritone]

What an absolutely moronic statement!

Are there any journalists left in the US?????

[obamadidit2008]

you mean NOT bought and paid for by corporations,the answer is NO

[auritone]

DAMN IT!

The future just became less desirable...

Get sponsored and SHOUT - who gives a shit about facts...

Sad...

[obamadidit2008]

the story of america auritone 2009. don't let truth and facts get in the way of my ideology or my money

[Nictusempra]

I don't really get how this message is corporate.

It's stupid, but...

don't just make corporations into the faceless bogeyman that answers all ills. There's more to the problem than that.

[BubbaBacastow]

they should be put on trial in the muggle court system

[WKaliberr]

Khalid Sheik Mohhamed is kinda an asshole

[paulo1141]

I hope Joe will correct this one. It is a pretty huge error on his part. He has kindly corrected items MMfA has brought to his attention before.

[mujaku]

Joe and the rest of the Republican scum are dangerous dreamers. If reality disagrees with their dream, lie!

[theendofconfusion]

Joe Scarbough does not give a fuck about the truth.

[obamadidit2008]

he still thinks that he is the congressman of the 'red-neck riviera district of florida

[AstoundedAtheist]

Thank you for clarifying.

[mynameisbobtoo]

Poor Joe, reality has been fucking up his pretty boy bubble for years now.....He should have stuck with his job as a SEARS catalogue underwear model

[MrFreedomdemocracy]

The GOP and the Right Wing Media are jackals. They used 9 11 to NEVER bring the masterminds to justice so they could keep the wounds open for ever using their fearmonger tactics to scare the shit out of the people. They are keeping America week because they don't want to close the 9 11 chapter and start the healing process to improve our society.

It's like keep the wounds of the civil war opened for ever so that there would have never been the USA (no wonder why Gov Perry want to suceed).

[ltharveytx]

The first two listed in this "documentary" were captured in America and the rest were captured by police around the world. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was captured on the battlefield fighting in Pakistan. There's a difference. He's an enemy combatant.

[Swift2001]

Pakistan is not a battlefield, unless you want to say the whole world is a "battlefield." Even then, "prisoner of war" status does not include jailing beyond the duration of the combat. So a trial, proving criminality and making them liable for the death sentence, which you guys should be in favor of, would seem to be inevitable. The Supreme Court, in two rulings, has said that military tribunals are not enough. And the military courts haven't been able to convict.

[Realizalize]

also for a sole mili.trail option the mili.

has no traditional mili . opposition or code of war to accuse on formerly, properly.

at that time and place civil structures were affected and that is the interesting part that needs revaluation of its capacity and competency in that case.

kroll, able danger, ...etc.

[fishhead06]

No shit, ltharveytx? I wasn't aware the US was at war with Pakistan!

[dafttool]

The fearmongering of the right that our judicial system can't handle terrorist prosecutions is pathetic. America is supposed to be a nation of laws, yet these chicken littles act as if America is a novice incapable of delivering justice, us with the largest population of prisoners in the world. And complaining that NYC will be made a terrorist target is laughable as well, since NYC is already the #1 most coveted target of terrorists in the world. Have they no faith in America? *shakes head*

[XorGate0110]

I've installed a 'mainstream media block' addon into my brain. Anytime i see information coming from them, i see a red alert

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***Auto Delete***

[Swift2001]

Too bad for you. That gives you a mental problem, like a frontal lobotomy.

[dogstar7]

WTF!!!

Timothy McVeigh??? This is who Scarborough wants to use as an example?

"...who was an American, born in America..."

So fukking, WHAT? "...the Constitution has been people like him for over 200 years..."

That's over 230 years, but what's over a quarter of a century between friends, eh Joe? Time sure flies when your totally self absorbed, doesn't it?

Joe is saying "McVeigh = white man, KSM = other"

THEY BOTH BLEW UP AMERICANS, ASSHOLE!

[obamadidit2008]

oh, i dunno, the bombers of the world trade center bombers in 1993.they were tried in the u.s. where was scarborough when that happened?

[kaysandesses]

Old Joe Blow must have also forgotten the mastermind was tried and convicted in NYC.

[Richardgwm]

The right never lets the facts get in the way of their prejudices.

[rewinn]

Scarborough lie? What a surprise!

It's nice to see the lie get debunked so quickly.

[bloodpuddingswe]

thank you mediamatters

[TheRamenAvenger]

This whole KSM trial thing is just the latest distract & divide tactic by the right. They don't really give a shit about it, but it gives them an excuse to use 9-11 for their own petty political agenda. Just like they've done over and over and over again.

[classc63]

Funny how they say they kept American's safe AFTER 9-11, but on whose watch was 9-11 on??????

[Myschly]

Good job! These falsehoods need to be called out fast, just a short little clip. This means that instead of his lies being echoed, this clip might be shown to prove him wrong, and get the truth out there.

Let's face it, unless a big figure is pointed out wrong by a third party, nobody will point out their error, unless it's Maddow vs O'Reilly and vice versa.

[Zlibservacratican]

And the Conservatives say mediamatters doesn't attack msnbc for their bias... this should shut them up.

[genie0390]

FACT: a major terrorist attack on NY as a result of this trial and Obama's Presidency is finished and the Dems are gone as a viable Party

[underpantssquirrel]

@genie0390 Yeah, you keep telling yourself that.

[filorps]

Didn't seem to hurt Bush's reelection...

[johncrwarner]

I think you seem to be confusing facts with what you would like to happen.

Let us look at the train of your logic...

If the trail goes ahead and if there is a major terrorist attack on NY because of the trial THEN the Obama Presidency is finished (presumably as an electable option) and the Democratic Party will lose massive support and never have a viable majority ever.

Attacks on the US have not so far harmed the sitting president - Bush or FDR and possibly Lincoln. cont.

[genie0390]

Bush was not harmed because Americans didn't hold him responsible, knowing that the attacks were planned during Clintoon's Presidency!

Bush inherited a lousy airport security system put in place by Clintoon

Janet Reno put in regulations making it impossible for the CIA to warn the FBI

FDR was Pres when Japan declared war. How is he relevant to terrorism?

Lincoln is not relevant

study some history before mouthing off

[obamadidit2008]

that is because many americans were too scared and stupid to challenge bush and the g.o.p. as the frauds they were,and still are

[johncrwarner]

FDR was president when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor - American territory - and is therefore a president of the USA who was president of the country when it was attacked - in this case it was a country that did not deliver its declaration of war until after the attack but it can be viewed as terrorism - probably a war crime at the least.

Lincoln was president on 12 April 1861 when the rebel states bombarded Fort Sumner. I have some little idea that all these were Presidents under attack.

[genie0390]

John, you're a fuckin' moron!

Historians refer to the fighting against Japan, as "the War against Japan", key word being "war"!

Perhaps you missed that part wherein the US tried and hanged Japanese war criminals, the trial was not in US Criminal Court near Pearl harbor! Pres Truman had more sense in his ass than Obama has in his swelled head and elephant ears

[johncrwarner]

@genie0390 - didn't George W. Bush declare a War on Terrorism - sorry that is not long enough ago to count as history - it is still going on. Perhaps you count the bush/CHENEY war on terrorism as a propaganda lie so it wasn't a real war.

Are you not arguing that the bringing to trial of the alleged "war" criminals in New York to face the death penalty is going to lead to a terrorist attack?

Interesting to compare Truman and Obama theyseem to be doing similar things?

[genie0390]

my dear John,

comparing Truman and Obama and saying that Obama is doing much the same kind of makes me laugh!

Truman being a Dem still had the guts to do what was required, that being nuking Japan!

Obama would have apologized to the Japanese for provoking them. He then would have requested a meeting with the Japanese Emperor wherein he would have bowed to him and kissed his ass!

you know this to be true. Obama is a weak President and nothing is more dangerous to American security

[obamadidit2008]

genie, you are a danger to american intelligence.

[johncrwarner]

Obviously you do not know the fable by de La Fontaine of Le Chêne et le Roseau - I know this is a failing of right-wing politicians but just because they believe that you should never bow to anything you does not make President Obama weak or wrong.

Watch the second half of /watch?v=d7wQfdW16eQ which sums up American policy under Bush and Obama.

Obama is definitely different and I think smarter than Bush Jr - though that in itself does not guarantee re-electability.

[johncrwarner]

Bush was not harmed as a president who is president when the country is attacked generally seems to get re-elected - just because you, genie0390, want to make a case that Obama's presidency will fail - doesn't mean it conforms to the facts.

[genie0390]

John, you seem to have a very shallow, perverted idea of what constitutes a valid "cause and effect relationship"

where did you say you studied math and statistics?

[johncrwarner]

First "cause and effect relationships" are not necessarily a mathematical or statistical unless you are saying you are a logical positivist and I suspect that you are not - but you can surprise me.

Second The statistics are that if a president is an incumbant when the country is attacked - the electorate generally re-elect him. Are you not going against reason to say that Obama will automatically fail to get re-elected.

I cannot read the tea-leaves but you evidently can.

[johncrwarner]

cont.

The other thing is why would terrorists attack NY particularly - the 9/11 attacks were very much to do with the interesting belief that the World Trade Centre was at the heart of the Western Capitalist world - rather than a collection of office blocks with a catchy name. They tried twice first with explosives underground and then the plane attack - to me before the attack it was not a symbol of anything and not of the Western World unlike say the Statue of Liberty or the Capitol Building.

[genie0390]

you arrogant SOB!!

I don't think the terrorists look to you for info as to what they should do, nor do they consult with you regarding their motives and what is a symbol and what isn't !!

[johncrwarner]

Well interestingly the trial of the blind shiek and the 9/11 commission seem to point to the belief that they saw the World Trade Center as a symbol of the Western Capitalist System - that would not have even been on my top ten targets - but then I am not a terrorist nor someone who appears to want a terrorist attack on NY - unlike yourself.

[HugeJohn51]

hey we can only hope there's an attack right? and all the terrorists that joined up because of Gitmo and torture? No problem right?

[Elliot419]

yeah it will be done by another crazy white militant who is apart of the GOP party. How is that hurting the dems in any way? It makes the moderate repubs. nervous to be around you crazy gun toting morons.

[Myschly]

What in the world backs that theory up?

[integral]

I suspect genie thinks Fox nooze is fair and balanced.

[nidodson]

That is at least what you an 20% of America thinks, good thing 80% of America is smarter than that and realize the truth, and that the GOP is a laughing stock.

[fractalbuddha]

I dont suppose you said the same thing about Bush and the Republicans 8 years ago?

[obamadidit2008]

anything that was said about bush and the g.o.p. WAS TRUE!

[obamadidit2008]

FACT GENIE: a major terrorist attack happened on g.w. bushes watch. he had a year to find and capture dead or alive the top operatives of al quiada. no osama,mullah omar,NOTHING! we were heading into a midterm election of 2002. the reps were scared. there was no ass to put on americas altar. so they had to turn the tables for the sake of a republican president and HIS G.O.P. osama morphed into sadaam hussein, we were now talking about a war on terror that went beyond al quiada

[genie0390]

again, you retarded Kool Aid drinking bitch!

had Clintoon regarded attacks against America rightfully as acts of war, not as criminal acts, Osama bin Laden would have been in US custody after Sudan offered him up, and 9/11 likely would not have happened

Clintoon couldn't take him because there was no indictment against Bin Laden

get your gd facts straight, you brain washed progressive kook!!

[Exitus767]

Get YOUR fucking facts straight genie. Sudan never had Osama in the 90's. They made an offer to capture and then trade him for other international criminals that were in US custody.

Had there been a far right pretense of transcendental war at the time it would have made not a lick of difference in the situation. But, YOUR anarchist conservative butt pirates that feed you your skewed rewriting of history didn't bother to tell you that did they? So shut it, yu infantile idiot.

nscendental

[genie0390]

Bill Clintoon in an interview with Chris Wallace stated that Sudan did in fact offer to deliver Bin Laden, but he couldn't accept the offer because it would have been illegal as there was no indictment against Bin Laden!

In that i have a video of the entire conversation, it's too bad we can't meet wherein we would learn who really is the infantile idiot

[Exitus767]

Great way to oversimplify, again, partial sources. It's clear you've never read on the subject. It's fine. Go back to your partisan trolling.

[obamadidit2008]

and w.m.d's that didn't exist. we were talking all about husseins ties to al quiada( there were no ties),all in the attempt of a president to save his and his political partys asses. and they continuously polly parroted these lies. and they succeeded in keeping the g.o.p.'s losses to a minimum. they kept control of both houses,even though they didn't deserve to

[nicholas9999]

so let me get this straight, everything is everyone else's fault, and GWB always made good decisions. Yeah, right . . .

[genie0390]

listen hear you retarded 21 yr old progressive Kool Aid drinking bitch!!!!

based on information provided by geo Tenet, appointed by the liberal Clintoon, the entire Congress believed in WMD and they, including Hillary Clintoon, voted for the war

i guess they were ALL trying to save their asses

[obamadidit2008]

YES. hillary clinton wanted to be president desperately in 08. and she was bending to pressure from the jewish establishment(and just for the record, i'm jewish)as well as many other jewish representatives or representatives from significantly jewish districts to support this war. those dems were more concerned with backlash from their jewish supporters,and the g.o.p. simply wanted to keep the power they already had. so yes they were ALL trying to save their asses

[Bucktown1999]

I thought that soldier was US born, that means he gets the same rights as the OKC bomber

[youcutmelegoff]

I think he's talking about the 9/11 plotters in gitmo

[justonefirefly1]

Well done and it did not take you very long to rebutt the idiot. With the death of the newspapers and investigative journalism thankfully we have media matters. We are spoonfed this crap as "news" while watching uneducated actors with their only attribute being drama.

[ProfMTH]

Well done! Is it even possible that Scarborough is this ignorant? I don't think so. Rather, I suspect he's counting on the ignorance and/or short memories of his target audience.

[johncrwarner]

He is a little shoot from the hip - he has made comments like this and then had to retract them - which he usually does - I think.

[Craigipedia]

the only right and protection given, in the Constitution, explicitly to citizens versus non-citizens is the right to vote. everything else is absolutely the same, citizen or not.