Official Adventures Of Ken Swift The Art of The Show DVD

[diggideimer]

different styles....awesome

[1234breakdancer]

Incredible battle...!!! Goes to show it aint just about the air moves but creativity,style and powering into the move (power moves) on beat as well...Word up...!!!

[777Radux]

lol skate board suckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

[evikt14]

Can sum1 help me with the name of the first tune being played please cuz people just seem too be arguing with each other when they comment on here. if people are gunna talk shit let bthem. can sum1 help me with the first tune pleeeeeeeeease :)

[STEPASAUR]

@evikt14 its the instrumental version of 'my part of town' by tuff crew

[lj78uk]

Ken at 4:00, funny man, lol.

[DATcoolCOT]

soul shifting aha

[evikt14]

can anyone help me out with the name of tune at the beginning when gremlin is down. iching to get my hands on it

[tinthaninja]

Oh shit zulu gremlin is the first guy

[serpentscientist]

This is historic footage of Seattle's Circle of fire.

[marklee71]

THERES NO FLOW

[drzflyest4]

whats are you talking about theres mad flow

[elmoooo69]

crew on the right style element

[Holyfiremikey]

Not really. Flomaster, Ken Swift, on the right, are Rocksteady. Only Crumbs, and maybe I saw Wicket, were Style elements, the rest were from other crews.

[elmoooo69]

in this video their all american

crew on the left is circle of fire

[bcstylz]

this video was nice. I think the cats in the U.S. are behind the cats from Europe and Asia overall, but I know that some of the cats were American, so it was nice to see the U.S. hang with the Asians and Europeans. I think I saw a cat from Gamblers and I think the chick was from the Wanted Posse, but I'm not really sure. Does anybody know for sure?

[Holyfiremikey]

This was in 1999, Gamblers wasn't even around back then homie, in that time it was old school Korean crews like DMC, Expressions, and TIP that was active. And America is not behind, they are ahead as far as raw breaking and foundation goes. But even for big power moves and abstract tricks, the only reason you think they're behind on that, is because many of those dope U.S. guys haven't been coming out lately in any international competitions, but are just competing within the U.S.

[bcstylz]

i thought this was a recent clip. i know that there are a lot of dope cats in the U.S., but i just see the culture respected more in other countries.

[Holyfiremikey]

They used to compete internationally a lot, mainly in 2001-2003.

I'm talking about guys from Havikoro, and other crews you may have not even heard of, like LOZ from Washington. There's a guy in that crew named LT Thanh, who was one of the first to do the flexible yoga abstract style of bboying, and Benji learned his style indirectly from that guy Thanh LT.

You talk like you know what you're saying by getting hip hop in your words like, "cats" and what not,

[bcstylz]

you're right, i don't know a lot of those crews. this is 2007, so i'm not talking about who was competing in international shows in 2001 and 2003. if that's that case then we can say rock steady all day since nobody was touching them in the early days and they're the most famous crew ever. i'm talking about the bboys that are winning the international shows.

[Holyfiremikey]

With Old school rocksteady, it has to do not with them not competing, but that a lot of them got older and aren't as good as before. With the crews I'm talking about, they are good enough to win those international shows, they just aren't going out internationally as much, it has to do with not them being "behind" in skill as you stated, but with them just not coming out as much.

[bcstylz]

actually, i'm into more of the dj and mc aspects of hip hop and was making a simple observation. you have to be able to go back to the Jamaican toasters if you really want to test my hip hop history

[Holyfiremikey]

Your observation was that two U.S. crews who are mainly latino and black, that one of them you thought was from the Korean crew Gamblers?

[bcstylz]

hell, latinos can look asian when they're moving quickly. U.S. crews can also be misleading since this country is so mixed - a U.S. crew can actually be entirely asian or latino...am i right?

[Holyfiremikey]

but it seems that your knowledge of bboying is based on just youtube, like most of the commenters I've seen on youtube about bboying.

P.S., Both teams in this video are not even Korean, they are both from the U.S., the crew on the right is mainly Styleelements (Modesto California), and the crwe on the left is Circle of Fire (Seattle Washington). You really have no idea what you're talking about,

[bcstylz]

my bad, i just realized you're only 22, lol. when i was a kid in the 80s there weren't as many popular crews, but it was a larger part of the culture. i knew more bboys than i did MCs and DJs. if i named cats that were killing it in Detroit in '83 (when it was a true part of the culture and bboys actually took over dance floors) would you know them? please, i was bboying in vacant lots before you were born.

[Holyfiremikey]

I may know them, because unlike you, I try to learn about hip hop history from it's start in the 70's all the way up to now and all of the years in between, rather than calling a team of black guys "hey, isn't this the Gamblers."

[bcstylz]

silly man, there's more undocumented hip hop history than there is documented. every major city that had a large black population in the 80s had dozens (probably an underscore) of hip hop crews. the only way you could know a wealth of knowledge about all of the crews in various major cities (including Detroit) is to interview people that were around then.

[Holyfiremikey]

Yes, and I learn my hip hop history, lots of it from undocumented sources, hearing it from the actual old school guys. And I'm not just talking about the 80's, the 80's is not when hip hop started, that is when the media caught attention of it.

Hip hop has been around since the 70's, and even uprocking which influenced bboying later on, came from the 60's. And in those times,

[Holyfiremikey]

it was mainly only the south bronx, and later Queens, that had hip hop, it didn't spread out to the other major cities yet. Hip hop started in the south bronx, mainly at a park where DJ Kool herc played his records. Bboying started in the 70's with guys like Spy, the Nigga twins, etc, who were the first generation of bboys ever.

[kahotep7414]

actually hip hop was started by Kool Herc in the west side of the Bronx's along with Bboy'n he gave it name. But it existed about 10 year before Herc. Some of the earlyest Boy's come from Harlem and the lower east side of Manhattan and Brooklyn and BX. before Spy there was rubberband and many of the gangs in NYC use to battle by dancing in the 60's mid 70's in late 70's no one was Bboy'n and it died.

[kahotep7414]

The founding father of Bboy move to the South Bronx. and kept it alive. bring it back in the 80's. Before Spy and Ken Swift, Frosty Freeze and crazy legs, there where many gang members who started it all. Get the Video 80 blocks from Tiffany's it movie about NYC gangs in that movie you will see many of the first Bboy's.

[Holyfiremikey]

Guys like Rubberband, were not bboying, they were brooklyn rocking aka uprocking. That's a totally different dance form, that did indeed heavily influence bboying.

And nobody brought it back in the 80's, it was always alive in New York from 73 to about 78 or 79 when guys said it was getting played

[kahotep7414]

Rubberband was a bboy Many bboys uprcok and bottom rock. and he lived in the Bronx actually he live in 183st. I know because I saw him. Spy also up rock but he was a better bottom rocker. That why I became one. an Bboys died off in the late 70 around 73 through 77. Ask Fable and JoJo and Ken Swift anyone who live in the south Bronx at that time. Many of the Bboys from the late 60's stop doing it or were in Jail or was killed.

[Holyfiremikey]

It started getting called "going off" or "bboying" in 73. If Rubberband was a bboy in the 60's, how is that possible when the name wasn't even invented yet.

And not just the name, the whole taking it to the floor and "bottom rocking" according to Melle Mel from Grandmaster Flash's crew, started from after Kool Herc's parties in 73.

[Holyfiremikey]

Spy was doing his bottom rocking after 73. Rubberband did not take things down to the floor, and he was before the Nigga Twins and the Nigga twins didn't take it to the floor either. That means Rubberband was an uprocker, not a bboy, the main part of the bboy dance, is the bottom rock to the break of the record. The information I'm stating here comes from mouths of people like Ken Swift, and Fable who you're telling me to ask.

[Holyfiremikey]

Okay I made a mistake, Nigga twins did go down on the floor to bottom rock, but according to Trac 2, they were one of the first to do it. And according to Trac 2 who was in Spy's crew and was there before Ken Swift, Trac says in the Freshest Kids documentary, "bboying on the floor didn't come out until the ending of 74, 75."

This is proof that there's no way, bboying was

[kahotep7414]

What Iam trying to say is that Bboyin on the floor was around way before it was call bboyin by kool herc at least 15 years and that is a fact. That was the first element of hip hop and anyone who was around in DA SOUTH BRONX would tell you that.

[Holyfiremikey]

How can that be when Trac 2 from the South Bronx said taking rocking to the floor wasn't around and didn't happen until late 74, 75? My comment clearly stated that not only the name bboying, but the actual dance itself before it even got the name, was not around. Melle Mel said it was the Nigga twins who were one of the first to take it to the floor, these guys were

[Holyfiremikey]

after Rubberband. From EVERY South Bronx head I've heard interviews and documentaries from, from their own mouth they say uprocking was a grandfather to bboying, but was not bboying, it was a separate dance that helped shape what bboying would become. All of them including Legs, Fable, etc, that you're naming say this, and they say that the first generation of bboys were guys like Beaver

[Holyfiremikey]

from Zulu Kings, Spy, and Trac2 who I just quoted said taking it down to the floor didn't exist until 74. Look the video up I just told you and see for yourself.

You're the ONLY South Bronx person ever, to say that Rubberband man was not just an uprocker but a bboy. Uprocking and apache lines are totally different in format to a bboy set or battle.

[Holyfiremikey]

You're not even old enough to be from Spy's generation and yet you said it's because of Spy and being there that you took to the floor. And even if that's true, again, Spy comes around doing the floor stuff in 74 75 anyway.

You're wrong, everyone you're telling me to ask already stated in document video form the exact opposite of what you're saying, and you're misinterpreting and hitting angles I already covered.

[Holyfiremikey]

around in the 60's as you say. Uprocking was around, but as far as bboying and bottom rocking, it wasn't around until 74, a decade after Rubberband, meaning Rubberband was a legendary uprocker, not a bboy. As I said earlier, Herc called it bboying in the 70's, meaning even the name wasn't around until after Rubberband.

[Holyfiremikey]

Melle Mel also says one of the first to take it to the floor, was a dude from Herc's crew who had a "spin move," meaning this is post after 73, not Rubberband's era.

Go and look up what I'm saying if you search for the freshest kids part 2 of 10, everything I'm saying comes right at the beginning of that clip from the mouths of Trac 2 (Spy's partner) and Melle Mel.

[kahotep7414]

Bboy came back in NYC around 1980 and reach it peak in 1984-87 by the help of Afrika Bambaataa and the Zulu Nation. If you are not from DA BRONX'S you need to ask somebody. Email Crazy Legs and Ken Swift. Also Fable they will tell you

[Holyfiremikey]

out. But it was not the founder of bboying, but instead Jimmy D and Jojo of RSC that tried to maintain its existence, keeping the "rock steady."

What you're talking about is uprocking, which influenced bboying but is a different form of dance from bboying.

[Holyfiremikey]

They were the ones that taught the bboys you saw in the 80's spinning on television.

It spread to other parts of New York, when Crazy Legs and his cousin Lenny Len went to places to break, and others in those new areas wanted to learn.

[Holyfiremikey]

you're just a wannabe internet bboy who has no real knowledge of the real scene and hip hop culture/history.

[bcstylz]

do you know about hip hop culture because of what you've read or what you've experienced? do you remember the days when MTV didn't play rap or when it was almost impossible for rappers to get deals? i do. you remember clearing the skate floor at midnights in Skateland in Detroit on Friday and Saturday nights so crews could go at it? i do. you're learning about the culture that i grew up with.

[Holyfiremikey]

What does mainstream pop rap have to do with hip hop?

Yes, my knowledge is based on what I've read as far as the 70's and 80's go, but that is combined with my knowledge of the late 90's to now based on reading and personal experience somewhat in hip hop events and competing.

You grew up with it back in the 80's, and then you have a huge gap of time in hip hop that you know nothing about, and then saying the U.S. is behind now based on what criteria. In international events now,

[bcstylz]

if not for MTV and BET showing all forms of rap (the MCs are still rappers, since what they do is rap) then you wouldn't know about it. without the record deals and the music videos hip hop would be tiny and odds are you wouldn't have connected with it since it's from a gritty major American city.

[Holyfiremikey]

Back in the day, when KRS, Rakim, and others were coming out on MTV, with major record deals, they kept it real though. They kept it raw, and true to the art form, talking about real issues with lyrical skill. And yet, they were able to get worldwide fame. Rakim is referenced by rappers like Jay z, 50 cent, eminem,

[vegeta2332]

i read you pionts. nice. to hear you up.. the sad part the REAL HIP HOP RAP FElles.. are not making the MONEY.. but a people like 50 cent, eminem for my view.. suck.. they do not talk about the CULTURE or life they speak about thing do not relate to.. some people like them but then again.. social needs and wants have gave it back to the cause... KRS is one mean RAPPER. smooth and nice.. peace bro.. from OLD SCHOOL QUEENS.. HILLCREST, EDSION, JAMICA ..

[Holyfiremikey]

and most other mc's, to be their greatest influence. So it was brought out in to the mainstream back then, but they remained real, whereas now, everyone's rapping about meaningless bling bling and ho's.

[Holyfiremikey]

I see the U.S. only behind in doing handhops, and some power moves. But as far as the flavor, fundamentals and raw knowledge of hip hop and moving to the music which is what real bboying is, the U.S. has cats that other nations cannot touch.

[KingIshaqq]

wooooooow i have watched so many break vids but it's something about this one- they are realllly breaking the beat! I think you can say "they really know how to dance"

[nikitobu]

Where is Ken Swift? is that him on top the stage with red pants?

[parschmet]

Is that Circle of Fire?? What year is this?

[DATcoolCOT]

99..

[bangbeatkid]

wow. they dont call ken SWIFT for nothin!!!!

[bboyro]

thnx for uploading this