In pouring rain, and at night, the Finn startled Palmer somewhat with the sheer performance of the racer, some unofficial estimates suggesting that the lap times would have had them somewhere on the front half of the grid for the 'wet' 1985 Portuguese Formula One race."
and what we have now 540 bhp DIESEL car in the to class (i'm Audi Fan I like R18 TDI but even can close to this MONSTROUS Orgasmic Group C Class Cars) motorsport going to the shit.... year after year less horse power more electric(hybrid) shits and the result is after more 10 years we will watch 250 hp petrol engine cars with 300 hp electric kers, motors, accumulators or whatever shit will replace Real Horse Powers from Petrol Engine at Le Mans is sad ;(
wow these car car back then were packing serious horsepower but now racecars nowadays are designed more with maximum aeraodynamics and handling but not so much for speed heck this car will beat a f1 car in a speed challenge
@deggis4 My comment was the dirty diesel did a qualifying lap of 3min 25sec in 2011, this car with faster track and more power did a 3min 27 sec qualifying lap
does anyone know what topspeed was achieved here? Look much faster than today, but I know some of that comes from the bad camera of 1990 and the ride being even rougher than today.
@hitman89141 hard to say the highest ever recorded speed is 405kmh from a welter racing WMP 87 on the old track and i also know the 1999 Toyota GT-One reached 380kmh on the new track with the chicanes the modern LMP1 cars go about 340kmh but im expecting they reached about the same speeds nearly all group C cars 350+
@gasteinerboy thx, 405 seems rather unlikely with the chicanes ;) 380 sounds probable to me, perhaps slightly less because of the lower torque compared to today's diesels. Anyway, these guys were heroes and complete idiots at the same time xD
@hitman89141 yeah off course i meant without chicanes 405 on the shorter one would be insane and i think also one reason why the LMP1 one cars are not so fast one the straight is they are more build like F1 cars with extrem downforce for maximum speed in the corners because even on Le Mans its important to go fast through chicanes becaus the cars are nearly all on the same weight and powerlevel
@hitman89141 group C le mans and group B rally cars where all epic its sad that they died out because Formula1,WRC and also Le Mans is to much politic sizing down the engines and all that and to much regulations
@gasteinerboy: it was the fastest car overall, but as those cars had below 650 hp they could never do 380. You can find the 1999 speeds at Le Mans on mulsannescorner*com/trap*htm and the GT-One is listed with 351 km/h.
THIS is why the GTR is not a V8, people would just die and no computer nanny is gonna keep ur butt outta trouble with that much power. And they there's the Driver, Hats off to you Mr. Blundell for taming that beast.
@CamelSmokes23 These cars used V6 turbo engines... Formula one will use similar engines in 2013. The cars may look a lot different, but look at the racing this era produced in racing.
@thornado4413 but 700hp is diesel is much safer though, these cars back then required so much skill to driven than the current lmp1 cars we have today
excuse the language but that is just fucking mental... I mean how you just keep your foot down over some of those bumps... let alone the speed through the corners.. can see why you was once an F1 driver!!
@triptechable Looking at lap times, that's not true. On the same circuits, in the same years (pole times), there was a difference of several seconds. The 3.5L generation high-DF cars (Peugeot 905, Toyota TS010) on the other hand, were quite close to F1 cars, about 3-4 seconds slower.
@deggis4 You are probably correct - I'd like to see the 1986 laptimes of Estorial compared with the F1 cars, the Group B Lancia and a Group C car. If I remember rightly all were very very quick. Infact I'm sure the Lancia's laptime would have got it 6th on the grid for that years F1 season! Man I miss the 80s.
@triptechable F1/GrC lap times are easily available... for example on Wikipedia: go to articles "19xx World Sportscar Championship season" & "19xx Formula One season" > select races held on the same circuits.
ps. Since you mentioned it... the Lancia thing is a stupid myth. Only kept alive by nostalgy.
@deggis4 I always thought so myself. 500bhp 4wd vs 800bhp+ F1 car. Hmmm. ;) I'm sure you must understand though that my comment "F1 cars with a roof" was merely a descriptive term - not me being scientifically accurate :)
Not true, Group C cars weren't even remotely F1 cars with a roof.
They had completely different aerodynamics, suspensions, engines, had a higher center of gravity, were almost twice as heavy, had a much higher top speed, used completely different tires, weren't single seaters and were built for endurance races. Pretty much as different as it gets.
@FUSELFTWICE Almost twice as heavy? I dont know the weight of F1 cars back then, but Ithere were some Group C cars in the low 800's, and I belive the 905 was 750kg...
@MetaKnightsKirby: Wasn't F1 under 600 kg back then with an allowed minimal weight of 500 kg? And IIRC the 750 kg for group C were only in the latter stages for the normally aspirated 3.5 liter engined cars, the turbos had to be heavier I think (~900 kg).
Met Mark atThe Canadian Grand Prix in 1995, Top class Bloke, even if he just had retired is Mclaren, He was chill enough to chat with us on is way back to the pits!! Even have a Picture Somewhere, but i dont remember where!
Too bad it didn't last 24hrs....
memsman01 2 days ago
de la sarthe !
mass126 1 week ago
motorsport - because all other sports require only one BALL
Schyderap 1 week ago
too fast
gilberttangmanfai 2 weeks ago
Sadly the only real simple race car engines are the nascar V8's. A simple pushrod motor making over 800bhp
TheNamesDug 1 month ago
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WOW. Unbelievable. Incredibly physical drive.
busaj 1 month ago
Holy shit that thing is massively fast, pilot gets no time to blink
MrKinghit 1 month ago
In pouring rain, and at night, the Finn startled Palmer somewhat with the sheer performance of the racer, some unofficial estimates suggesting that the lap times would have had them somewhere on the front half of the grid for the 'wet' 1985 Portuguese Formula One race."
harrisM15A 1 month ago
@harrisM15A Myth and bollocks.
deggis4 1 month ago
and what we have now 540 bhp DIESEL car in the to class (i'm Audi Fan I like R18 TDI but even can close to this MONSTROUS Orgasmic Group C Class Cars) motorsport going to the shit.... year after year less horse power more electric(hybrid) shits and the result is after more 10 years we will watch 250 hp petrol engine cars with 300 hp electric kers, motors, accumulators or whatever shit will replace Real Horse Powers from Petrol Engine at Le Mans is sad ;(
TwinTurboSystem 1 month ago 5
@TwinTurboSystem
If i could get you 1 Million "Thumbs up" i would do!!!!
Extactly my Opinion of Motorsport^^
MrLangtom 1 month ago
@MrLangtom
Thanks Bro :)
TwinTurboSystem 1 month ago
Gt5 x2011?
Jeep44123 1 month ago
0:20 epic reactions
rocketn8 1 month ago
I dont see it possible to drive that thing 24 hous
stephen98841272 1 month ago
@stephen98841272 Clearly not, because this is a quali lap.
deggis4 1 month ago
wow these car car back then were packing serious horsepower but now racecars nowadays are designed more with maximum aeraodynamics and handling but not so much for speed heck this car will beat a f1 car in a speed challenge
fargeeks 2 months ago
Looks and sound creery, especially at 0:19, 0:37 and 0:58...
NelsonRacingEngine 2 months ago
AMAZING. H box while driving at those speeds! bravo to those of yesteryear
I3FX 2 months ago
Dirty diesel did 3min 25 sec to get pole in 2011
workshop77777 2 months ago
@workshop77777 And the track is nowadays much slower, not to mention that today's engines are air-restricted.
deggis4 1 month ago
@deggis4 My comment was the dirty diesel did a qualifying lap of 3min 25sec in 2011, this car with faster track and more power did a 3min 27 sec qualifying lap
workshop77777 1 month ago
very good driver, but i think the sauber mercedes c9 is a bit faster
Crius100 2 months ago
..fuck driving that thing for 24h.
AfflictionFTW 2 months ago
At the straight parts you expect some female onboard computer voice saying:
"pull...up, pull...up!" with a master alarm sound in the backround:):)Amazing lap!!!
stevehislop 2 months ago
does anyone know what topspeed was achieved here? Look much faster than today, but I know some of that comes from the bad camera of 1990 and the ride being even rougher than today.
hitman89141 2 months ago
@hitman89141 hard to say the highest ever recorded speed is 405kmh from a welter racing WMP 87 on the old track and i also know the 1999 Toyota GT-One reached 380kmh on the new track with the chicanes the modern LMP1 cars go about 340kmh but im expecting they reached about the same speeds nearly all group C cars 350+
gasteinerboy 2 months ago
@gasteinerboy thx, 405 seems rather unlikely with the chicanes ;) 380 sounds probable to me, perhaps slightly less because of the lower torque compared to today's diesels. Anyway, these guys were heroes and complete idiots at the same time xD
hitman89141 2 months ago
@hitman89141 yeah off course i meant without chicanes 405 on the shorter one would be insane and i think also one reason why the LMP1 one cars are not so fast one the straight is they are more build like F1 cars with extrem downforce for maximum speed in the corners because even on Le Mans its important to go fast through chicanes becaus the cars are nearly all on the same weight and powerlevel
gasteinerboy 2 months ago
@hitman89141 group C le mans and group B rally cars where all epic its sad that they died out because Formula1,WRC and also Le Mans is to much politic sizing down the engines and all that and to much regulations
gasteinerboy 2 months ago
@gasteinerboy: GT-One never did 380 by far!
armorgeddon 1 month ago
@armorgeddon the GT-One was the way faster then the others specially in 1999 and he hold the lap record until 2006
gasteinerboy 1 month ago
@gasteinerboy: it was the fastest car overall, but as those cars had below 650 hp they could never do 380. You can find the 1999 speeds at Le Mans on mulsannescorner*com/trap*htm and the GT-One is listed with 351 km/h.
armorgeddon 1 month ago
@hitman89141 Blundell said around 368kph/230mph with the chicanes, the car was a complete animal.
StrikeEngine 2 months ago
@StrikeEngine sometimes speeds reached 405 km/h on the on the old mulsane straight
Tikitxiki2 1 month ago
Racing 24H with a manual clutch = Boss.
PenfoldIV 2 months ago 6
woow he running it
seglermichael 2 months ago
THIS is why the GTR is not a V8, people would just die and no computer nanny is gonna keep ur butt outta trouble with that much power. And they there's the Driver, Hats off to you Mr. Blundell for taming that beast.
StretcherJatt 3 months ago
@StretcherJatt *then
StretcherJatt 3 months ago
Starting the ciggarette lighter at @ 2:47, i'd fuckin need one after that lap!
CTyreR 3 months ago
wow ....simply fantastic ,unreal speed between the chicanes !!!!!!!
inLeMans 3 months ago
Great vid. Sadly we will never see anything like this again :-(
CamelSmokes23 3 months ago
@CamelSmokes23 These cars used V6 turbo engines... Formula one will use similar engines in 2013. The cars may look a lot different, but look at the racing this era produced in racing.
PS3GameProductions 3 months ago
@PS3GameProductions
Only the Porsche 962 used a 6 cylinder engine, Group C prototypes had a big variety of engines but most were high displacement engines.
Also future F1 regs have nothing to do with this, this is about Le Mans and current LMPs still provide awesome racing.
MrPlagues 3 months ago
@PS3GameProductions: This is a V8 and the coming V6s in F1 will be heavily restricted and so for me boring as hell.
armorgeddon 1 month ago
@PS3GameProductions V8 turbo, not V6, just look at the description below video.
MillikanTube 4 weeks ago
A man taking his machine to the edge. Awesome.
MsBountiful 4 months ago
genial Nissan Calsonic
MrDavidprofate 4 months ago
fight that motherfucker before it kills youuu
NeeKroVal 5 months ago
I wish they still did group c type stuff, 1000+ hp is better than a 700 hp diesel
thornado4413 6 months ago
@thornado4413 but 700hp is diesel is much safer though, these cars back then required so much skill to driven than the current lmp1 cars we have today
nitroxize 5 months ago
@nitroxize The part about more skill required is one of the reasons they were better.
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@thornado4413 Blame Audi for changing the game with the R10 TDI...
MPCpadBanga 3 months ago
@MPCpadBanga: The only ones to blame are the rulemakers, so the FIA and in this case ACO.
armorgeddon 1 month ago
Class, on the ragged edge the whole lap.
reds005 6 months ago
excuse the language but that is just fucking mental... I mean how you just keep your foot down over some of those bumps... let alone the speed through the corners.. can see why you was once an F1 driver!!
InquisitorZhao 6 months ago
Group C - F1 cars with a roof.
triptechable 7 months ago 38
@triptechable Looking at lap times, that's not true. On the same circuits, in the same years (pole times), there was a difference of several seconds. The 3.5L generation high-DF cars (Peugeot 905, Toyota TS010) on the other hand, were quite close to F1 cars, about 3-4 seconds slower.
deggis4 1 month ago
@deggis4 You are probably correct - I'd like to see the 1986 laptimes of Estorial compared with the F1 cars, the Group B Lancia and a Group C car. If I remember rightly all were very very quick. Infact I'm sure the Lancia's laptime would have got it 6th on the grid for that years F1 season! Man I miss the 80s.
triptechable 1 month ago
@triptechable F1/GrC lap times are easily available... for example on Wikipedia: go to articles "19xx World Sportscar Championship season" & "19xx Formula One season" > select races held on the same circuits.
ps. Since you mentioned it... the Lancia thing is a stupid myth. Only kept alive by nostalgy.
deggis4 1 month ago
@deggis4 I always thought so myself. 500bhp 4wd vs 800bhp+ F1 car. Hmmm. ;) I'm sure you must understand though that my comment "F1 cars with a roof" was merely a descriptive term - not me being scientifically accurate :)
triptechable 1 month ago
@triptechable
Not true, Group C cars weren't even remotely F1 cars with a roof.
They had completely different aerodynamics, suspensions, engines, had a higher center of gravity, were almost twice as heavy, had a much higher top speed, used completely different tires, weren't single seaters and were built for endurance races. Pretty much as different as it gets.
FUSELFTWICE 1 month ago
@FUSELFTWICE Almost twice as heavy? I dont know the weight of F1 cars back then, but Ithere were some Group C cars in the low 800's, and I belive the 905 was 750kg...
MetaKnightsKirby 1 month ago
@MetaKnightsKirby: Wasn't F1 under 600 kg back then with an allowed minimal weight of 500 kg? And IIRC the 750 kg for group C were only in the latter stages for the normally aspirated 3.5 liter engined cars, the turbos had to be heavier I think (~900 kg).
armorgeddon 1 month ago
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@triptechable Group C - Better than F1 cars, with a roof
Baubauzable 2 weeks ago
one monstrous car, one amazaing lap, one EPIC driver!
earlgreygaming 9 months ago 21
Met Mark atThe Canadian Grand Prix in 1995, Top class Bloke, even if he just had retired is Mclaren, He was chill enough to chat with us on is way back to the pits!! Even have a Picture Somewhere, but i dont remember where!
AmateurRecords 9 months ago
Driving god!!
325drift 10 months ago