Savior v Nal_ra Set 1 (P6 of 6) "Holy War" MSL 2006 Semi's

[gabqcm]

That will be EPIC no matter how many years pass by! BW fo life!

[Walley666]

Nal_ra looks bored at the end lol.

[VolOsgle]

EPIC!!!!!

[diepthanhthe]

epic lol more like DIRTY :D

[Lazurasoneoneone]

Nal_ra did use his archon for somethin though, you can see that when he moves his main force to reinforce the 10-11 acklock position, you can see him using feedback on a defiler on the cliff=)

[qoralswp]

Nal_rA is known for his famous reaver drop....

[derekWC3]

Great game, im a Nal-ra fan, so fun to watch, thank you!

NalRa FIGHTING!

[linux121190]

my favorite game by you, Cholera. 

come back, plz!

[Stretchball]

That was epic, god damn pylon hiding, completely changed the outcome the game was heading in. They're so evenly matched it's crazy

[Microchaton]

Deserved win, Nal_ra outplayed and outmicroed savior

[mitchimusmaximus1]

Tru dat

[seksisempanze]

Nal_rA is SIMPLY EPIC !!!!!!!!!!! TY, Cholera, for uploading this video, and commenting also..

Nal_rA ftw.

[sn4kech4rmer]

Dark side NEVER wins =)

GG Savior

GG Nal_Ra

That was indeed an EPIC game =)

[jamchew1982]

is there a better name for a game than "the Holy War"? jeesh

[NightmareRitual]

Now it's time for everyone's favorite game: Hide the pylon!

[Sealsealdk]

epic!

[Tillysouth]

great game. but zerg just will lose always in endgame against protoss. too many templar and reaver.

[TheDKey]

Awesome... but that was stupid to try building elimination vs protoss when you're zerg...

[faerie7dragon]

And so the Dreamer's Crusade ends in his victory, Epic game indeed =D

[1337Baboon]

Cant see how this is considered saviors highlight times, hes playing so much better now tbh. Saw too many tiny mistakes

 Awsome ending though ^_^

[userasdf]

why didn't savior make some air units? nal ra didn't have any air units or even dragoons. Could have sniped those dropships with mutas and scourges and used guardians to wipe out everything else. Could have continued dancing with his ultras to get nal ra to waste his storms too.

[tdestroyer]

EPICCCC!!!!!

[MightyFire]

u suck

[superherojim]

So do you.

[Johnpauljone]

One more Nal_ra fan here

[inputmycd]

this is epic !!!

I aGree it !

[Hyounaga]

Voice in Nal_Ra's head - You must construct additional Pylons!

Nal_Ra - Ah!

[tremapar]

hahahahaha

too bad savior couldn't make just one more extractor or something...

games that are played out to elimination, rare, but epic

[Mendelevium146]

sad savior dint make extractor or hatch

[RandomRandomUK]

lol @ "up his arsenal"

[zeejustin6]

Great game, I though nalra could've gotten 1/2 more dark archons and/or tried to take on saviors army...but thats just 1 newbs opinion.

[HumanStrategy]

Never play building elimination with a Protoss player. You will not win PvZ.

[Dagaen]

Great game. It's sad that those ultras are so dumb:/ Anyway, the ending reminds me of Savior's game versus TT which is my favourite game you commented:P

[gikratos]

This announcer is retarded

[HumanStrategy]

Eat a knife and have a nice day.^^

[Sotanath86]

ty for the vid, epic game

[coffeepyros]

holy shit...

[redAkamaru13]

O. . . M. . . G. . .

[vava85]

If there's such a thing as an epic game, this is it.

[esbentind]

Awesome game :P

[Stormwern]

Queens sounds like the perfect counter for mass archon really, pretty hard to catch without an airforce. By this point it's too late obviously, but a little earlier they could have overturned Nal_Ra's advantage.

[EebstertheGreat]

But broodling doesn't affect archons, and ensnare doesn't significantly slow their attack speed. At the same time, feedback would easily destroy the queens, or at least cripple them and take away all their energy. I don't think queens are overall a great decision in almost any situation except vs. mass sairs.

[MidsummerNightScream]

they are good vs high templars, a good way to snipe them off from a distance.

[EebstertheGreat]

Perhaps; they certainly are more effective versus templar than versus archons. But I think there's a reason you rarely (almost never) see queens used this way PvZ. The queens are very fragile and their abilities are rarely game-changing like the defilers'. Researching broodlings also creates an additional investment, and the ability generally will kill only one unit per queen, which barely breaks even on resources. I won't say queens are never worthwhile, but I think in the pros they rarely are.

[MidsummerNightScream]

i just would like to see them used more, queens are good ZvT i think especially vs tank clustered up, it's almost like a zealot bomb

[SoJuDaMaN]

well zero owned bisu with queens lately...

[EebstertheGreat]

Not a fair comparison. Zero executed a brilliant timing attack with broodlings, but it was essentially cheese, and certainly not a build you will expect to win very often. The idea was to catch Bisu just as he was getting HTs. Normally Zerg can't do this because they are teching to hive and the templar can hold back the lings, but Zero held back on hive tech and instead produced queens as a surprise tactic.

On the other hand, this was an elimination race, so queens couldn't be used in that way.

[tinsleyjamaal]

i think the dark archon used feedback once on a defiler

[monkeymoo87]

its sad that i dont see that quality of shuttle micro in the pros anymore

[Etabeeta]

Go watch Stork vs Bisu in the OSL semi-finals xD

[SiouxTube]

Oh my, that was awesome.

Nal Ra's pylon play at the end was perfect and the build up in the middle all game as well as the just micro of both made this game insane.

However, the micro near the end by Savior was lacking some but, it was just a desperate push to the end, I don't think any less of him whatsoever.

And its only the first game.

[regresseur]

savior could've extractor elsewhere on the map. also why zerg doesn't store 4 or so queens mid to late game to snipe high temps and ensnare for power in ground war is beyond me; not to mention parasite... they're so underrated, especially in long game, where casters really shine. he should've fought ground war but needed to land plague on those lots and drop some snares.

[EebstertheGreat]

Queens are considered to be micro inefficient. Plus, ensnare and spawn broodlings both cost minerals to upgrade, and the queens obviously cost mins to build, not to mention the fact that SAviOr's army was maxed, so each queen meant one less hydra. What he really needed were a few mutas to chase down that probe at the end, but SAviOr probably didn't anticipate the game would come down to that. If he had had 2 mutas, though, he would've won, because the probe would've died and the pylon, too.

[sexehhh]

You are an utter idiot.

[EebstertheGreat]

What the fuck? That IS the reason pros essentially never use queens but DO use mutas.

[shoutenry]

probe was in a shuttle... probe wouldnt have died even IF he had 2 mutas... kuz it still takes 5 hits to take out a maxed probe with 2 maxed mutas. and its 5 hits IF savior wasted a ton of mins on air upgs which it shows he didn't. (guards were at 0 0 )

[EebstertheGreat]

The point was that he could follow the probe and eventually kill it, not stop it from making the pylon in the first place. It's not hard to kill a pylon once you know where it is.

Not that I'm blaming sAviOr or anything; I just think it's too bad he didn't have any mutas left.

[stoneheart92]

he should have engaged the battle cuz he had more strong units than nal ra has if he uses DS. i don't know about then but archon only do 5 under DS which is their splash damage

[EebstertheGreat]

Perhaps, but the archons are much stronger when not under DS. I can't really compare armies right now, though, because I can't get the video to load. Grrrr . . .

[UndeadTheta]

WOW EPIC!

[GabrielKorp]

Awesome commentary on an epic game. It was quite obvious those pylons would pop up once the demolishing race started, sort of weird Savior don't expect it.

Sort of sad that zerg really have very little chance to win epic games like this...

[Mokumo]

totally epic. cholera you must do the rest of the set

[jacobjulin]

agreed

[magomedudlol]

great comments, good job

[jyhluk]

too bad vid didn't catch savior's post-game reaction

[BlitzXSC]

heh Protoss compensates for early-game sluggishness by having incredible durability in late game. Fully upgraded siege tanks are still something to be reckoned with though, even against a fully upgraded protoss.

[BenHileday]

wow OMG. Race to kill ur BASE =)

[BenHileday]

Correction the map is not mined out =) there is 2 mineral blocks with 16 minerals @ players mains blocking the 2nd ramp =P

hehe~~

[thundersmoke88]

nal_ra is a sneaky cock. he won like a winnie

[Paxel911]

Damn it was awesome

[DnllnGproductions]

uah best game ever.. really awesome.

but really was little bit unfair for the zerg. on the other hand he could have build an hidden extractor, too.

epic

[RaiKageRyu]

You know, I think that the Dark Archon had no abilities researched. It was just a bluff to prevent full frontal confrontation with Savior's main force plus it made some use of the remaining dark templars.

[fd09david]

he used feedback on the defilers. Notice that it has kills.

[uzernam302]

feedback isnt researched, you have it automatically. its like the terran defense matrix.

epic game, and <3 nal_ra lol, those pylons were hilarious

[FlyingAce1717]

that was just so unfair for the zerg...

[lightswarm124]

oh bullshit. hitler shoulda won

[PSdualwielder]

holy crap, who would ever have thought it would end like that. Definetly one of the best games I've seen.

[xxrespectxx22]

GfG :D Great commentary.

[japphan]

Can anyone explaine why spawn broodlings is so out of the picture in a soon-to-be-outmined game?

You have unlimited and quite safe (due to the queen's nice speed) snipes of enemy units.

I think the reason might be that the queen is ONLY good at just that, and it's better to spend time practising stuff like zergling micro.

[timotti]

queens are so expensive, and they cant kill archons / da's / reavers.

It's just not that cost effective to get expensive queens and wait for 150 energy just to snipe zealots or dragoons.

[japphan]

Oh, didn't know 'bout the reavers.

But ZvT? Sniping tanks, and also broodling-bombing nearby units, making them take splash dmg from tanks.

Could that be viable in late late late game?

[timotti]

Yeah, in very late game if it comes to waiting until minerals drain till end.

But that is pretty rare situation. ensare is also a great spell and parasiting vessels is a good idea too.

[AlexML909]

ZvT irradiate > spawn broodlings

ZvP cant spawn broodling archons or reavers

watch the firebathero vs savior hour long game. i wont say how it ends but it includes yamato sniping and irradiation of just about every zerg unit besides zerglings and larva. restoration is even used against plagues.

[AlexML909]

zerg really has no helpful spells for getting easy kills late game.

thanks for posting this epic game with english commentary.

[justalocalhero]

absolutely ridiculous...

at the end of that raze race i was standing up, yelling at the screen "build a pylon, build a pylon!!!"

that game was sick, great commentary as usual Cholera! keep it up!!

[nesquick1256]

god damn it. i wanted to see some dark archon abilities!!!!!!!!!!!

[spawnfan101]

Thanks Cholera this is my favourite game, I've been looking for english commentary. Your other commentaries are excellent as well.

[djYngin]

*** SPOILER ***

omg, ELIMINATED!!

Pylons ftw!

[NellaMad1]

WOW, epic.

[wormite]

pimp play

[Ougagagoubou]

By the action this game wasn't really worth the hype. Both sides seemed to just expect the opponent to run to their traps and just camped where they felt safe. A game without massive battles nonstop isn't epic to me.

Ending was pretty unique though, worth watching for that. Very good commentary too.

[ChunkyRobot]

That game blew my mind.

Great job Cholera!

[guaranaa]

goT damn!!!

[xodarapi]

EPIC.

Actually, Nal_Ra did use his Dark Archon. At 1:32, he used Feedback to kill one of Savior's last remaining Defilers. Very sharp -and critical- micro by him.

Loved it! Thanks, Cholera.

[thundasc]

i think the reason they made savior the villian is cause hes zerg and everyone knows zerg are evil ;)

thanks so much for doing these cholera!!!!

[Ultraliskojebca]

Completely breathtaking! Thank you so much, I didn't realize that such a game was ever played. By far the best Starcraft game I've ever seen. I'm happy that I subscribed to you some week ago :)

By the way - maybe if Savior managed to BURROW some drones here and there he could put some hidden creep colonies ot the creep leftover in his massacred bases... :)

[yunyungorgor]

or even just run a drone from the 3 o'clock position to build an extractor in nal_ra's main

[fiendin281]

i think with queens and ensnare, and focusing on taking out reavers, savior might have had a chance to take this game in a final battle. but then there were the dark archons with imbastrom so who knows. it's a shame that it didn't happen cuz i wanted to see imbastrom in action

[lolggnorm]

wow, truly epic.

commentate on more classics dude =)

[ftofertalize]

wow. best game i've ever seen. i never understood when my dad used to jump out of his chair and yell watching nascar, but i was actually out of my seat, standing up, watching the end of this game.

i'd love to see the rest of the series!

[CholeraSC]

I just realized that Savior missed saving his drones at 6:44 on this video :( I think that may have made the difference. Thanks for all the comments, as usual; it makes doing these games worth. GG!

[thetrublu]

yes please do the rest of the series! thank you!

[chemik4ever]

Woow, that game was crazy!!! Thanks for great commentaries. Keep up the good work!

[Zorny11]

Wicked game, man! So close at the end...wow!

[xon1]

Imba

[4skur]

Oh my, nicely done Cholera! What an epic struggle!

[NaturalTvventy]

that was fucking ridiculous. thanks for commenting on this crazy game! now more tvps!

[lovelymanforu2004]

wow really this game is badass

[lovelymanforu2004]

wow really this game is badass

[AnimeAndHaloDOMix]

Holy crap, thanks so much for putting this up. An amazing game, and very good commentary too. ^-^

[hetzr]

SWEET!

[Finlandzki]

Thanks for doing this long and exciting game, Cholera. :)

Really good commentary, very fluent and enjoyable. Thanks for doing a Nal_Ra game, always liked him. :)

Keep it up! :)

[nafet]

I guess zerg are at a disadvantage when it comes to building hiding as well.

[Tsunamityphoon]

good game, nice video, cool commentary

[zikegcwk]

very nice video and narration. thank you!

[silvion]

can you do the whole series please?

[RealmEternal]

no hidden extractors? nooo..

[zenartanis]

wow

this made my day

thank you!

[CholeraSC]

Glad to hear it. You should check out KlazartSC on YouTube - he just returned from a long hiatus, and did some Savior v Flash games today, especially one on this very map that is quite incredible. His videos made my day ^^

[zenartanis]

nal_ra used his dark arkon a cuple of times to kill defilers

[djYngin]

How do you do that?

Is that what the Feedback spell is for?

[zenartanis]

yep

feeback converts the amount of energy into damage. so if the defiler has 50 energy and 75 health the spell will leave him with 25 health.

im not 100% sure that this is exacly how it works, but it is something like that, maybe someone can confirm

peace

[switchtechnique]

most amazin game ever, thanks for the commentary.