Georg Frideric Handel - Giulio Cesare in Egitto - "Svegliatevi nel core" (Fritz Wunderlich)

[jameskprior]

to RamirRMA

I am unable to make sense of your comment and what seems like an almost total ignorance of musical history. "That f*ucking castrated thing voices" as you so elegantly put it, are those of countertenors. Then you move on to a pointless tautology.

[maauxi1]

hermoso fritz como siempre, la mejor voz que ha dado este planeta, timbre, resonancia, tecnica , misicalidad todo simplemente hermoso.

[RamirRMA]

This is a thing I love. Tenors singing Händel! Not that f*cking castrated thing voices. I like countertenors, but TENORS are TENORS!

[serenaluce]

@RamirRMA What an ignorant and derogatory comment! If you don't understand what castrati are and what countertenors are you'd better keep your insults to yourself! Thank God there are no castrati anymore, and we still can hear that special MAGIC that can be found only in HIGH male voices and in no other voice category at all - neither male or female! And true CTs do it now using their advanced TECHNIQUE! Wunderlich is great but why sing it if it's intended for a CT and was written for a WOMAN?!

[RamirRMA]

@serenaluce I am not sorry about my comment. Didn't mean to bother, but I feel really awful when listening to fake voices. I know that we will never be able to listen to castrati anymore, and how beautiful they voice could be, but we'll never know. I'm in side with nature, like natural voices, you know...

[serenaluce]

@RamirRMA Thanks for your reply. I'm not trying to impose my opinion onto you. We are just exchanging opinions on YT. All tastes are legitimate,and you can dislike CT voice. But I'm against calling it fake and not healthy. If it's not caused by castration or e.g. using heavy drugs to change voice ALL voices are healthy and natural! It's only singing TECHNIQUE and nothing else. Everybody, men and women can sing in falsetto. Tenors also use elements of it to achieve higher notes, and mezzos too...

[RamirRMA]

@serenaluce

About it being written for a woman, I didn't knew that, thanks for the information, but it's still wonderful to me, listen a heavily ornamented repertoire in a tenor voice. It's rather rare, you must agree with me. Why I don't like countertenor voices? Short lived, small, painful, squeezed... There's ways something wrong and painful about singing in artifical register. And please, don't say that I am being ignorant about saying that's not healthy.

[serenaluce]

@RamirRMA Actually, any bass can sing as a tenor using falsetto to only MODIFY his voice. What's so unhealthy in it? You can sing something in falsetto too but the biggest problem that it's the most sophisticated difficult TECHNIQUE and not so many men can sound natural, but usually as a cat pulled by the tail:-). About small, squeezed it's about bad falsettists, not real great CTs:-). Many opera singers begin e.g. as baritones but then become tenors only modifying their voice higher. Is it bad?

[RamirRMA]

@serenaluce

But that guys can be damn good, I know, I respect them, and I myself have a lot of contertenor voices in my mp3 player. Confusing? Know, just recognize their value. But tenors, are tenors, not only singing 'ch'ella mi creda' and verismo. Miss warm voices in this repertoire.

[RamirRMA]

@serenaluce Finishing - I am not trying to convince you of nothing, just trying to state my point.

[serenaluce]

@RamirRMA E.g. your most appreciated tenors.Carlo Bergonzy began as a baritone but not very successful and later tried to sing as a tenor.It was better, more beautiful for him and he became one of the greatest tenors ever by only modifying his voice.If you don't know it you can't hear that there's something artificial there. Why is it healthy to use falsetto to sound higher to the tenor range if he is NOT a NATURAL tenor but it's already unhealthy to sing even higher as a CT?It's not castration.