Lets stop being stupid here. If you see a ship coming from the horizon, it looks like its rising from the sea right, it doesn't show up one time it takes time, first the sails then the deck and then the whole ship.
Greek thinkers proved that thousands of years ago.
@AH88D the quran sclearky states that earth is flat and it also shows geocentric model that sun and mon are going around the earth and not earth and moon around sun also nowhere does the quran even mention ostrich egg ,but word dahaha means spread strech and flatten root is dahawa not duhiya ,and duhiya also means flatten or spread and you can find the meaning in any arabic dictionary also bible say that earth is circular not flat!
"He created the heavens and earth in truth. He makes the night overlap the day and makes the day overlap the night and has subjected the sun and the moon, each running [its course] for a specified term. Unquestionably, He is the Exalted in Might, the Perpetual Forgiver."{39:5}
@zilexxx i can give you countless verses from the Bible that say the earth is flat, but for now ill just give you one.
"And after these things I saw four angels standing on four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree" (Revelation 7:1)
The earth has corners?!!
The earth needs four angels to carry it from its CORNERS so the wind won't blow the sea and tree's of the earth?!
@AH88D so what bible is religious book not a scientific book as anyone will tell you , ,christians and jews dont claim bible to be scientific book,as muslims do for the quran,second the verse you quoted down there again shows the error in quran as it says that night and the are day dependent on the moon and the sun and if we read other verses sun going under allahs throne ,or sun going into muddy pool we can easily conclude it does talk about flat earth .
@AH88D and also what you forgot to say in bible earth is mentioned as circular ,you will no where find in the bible flat and earth together but you will find in quran flat and al ard in so many verses !
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@Munzer1977, stand for islam, take away women freedom. and have many wives. stoning , killing, beheading. let's celebrate the death of the education. Defend our beliefs , family, friends. if someone is not islam is our enemy. let's kill them all.....oh great i love islam.
what is this memri tv? owned by atheists or what? they always spread lies and hatred against islam...pure desception...i wanna know who owns this memri tv and where is it located!!
@manzar9121 Christianity is only religion or group which insults islam. Atheists does NOT insult islam or tell lies. Atheism doesn't tell lies becouse it does NOT tell anything. There is no book, no text, no storys. It is a tough that there is NO God or meatballs and spaghetti (creationism)
Let muslems think their quran is perfect. Vague thing called spiritualism is basically their only claim to fame. We non muslems Hindu's, Chinese, Westerners have better things to do. Like keeping our societies functioning and letting it prosper as well as invent things for the good of mankind. I hope that after the Arab uprisings, Arabs will see islam as it is, a bunch of folklore from yesteryears. And now lets move on!
lol! "NO doctor has yet understood how the eye works. " So there. Sounds 100% like the young earth creationist arguments, which chances are even relatively moderate Muslims espouse. 6 day creation is a myth.
@chester1080 your ass wouldnt get anywhere near mecca boi dont play yourself nevermind the politics and how america needs saudia arabia but even if you tried with whatever money your borrowing from china you would still lose look at your own soldiers raping their own woman how could you rape another US soldier you guys are beasts and beasts are the lowest of the low
@rubblemp QURAN NEVER SAYS THE EARTH IS FLAT SHAPED...LET HIM PROVIDE FOR US THE VERSE.. THIS IS AN ANTI ISLAM VIDEO...ALL HIS VIDEOS ARE FULL OF LIES
Really? Great. What's the cure for cancer then? Toss in cures for Multiple Sclerosis, Muscular Dystrophy and AIDS. Science has done it's part curing leprosy, polio, smallpox and extending human life by some 40 years, so get to work on extracting all the great knowledge from the quran.
Thank you for the question. 'taraaib' taraa'ib which is the lower rib or pelvic arch belongs to the Woman... not man. Furthermore it refers to the ejaculation area between the man and the woman, not the area whereby the sperm is produced. sorry for my poor way of answering
i think its time you all become a little more open minded and learn about islam the fastest growing religion in America, forget what you think you know... read the quran (the last testament) no contradictions no discrepencies no mathmatetical or scientific errors. never been altertered and memorized by over 9 million people world wide see what it has to say about jesus, his mother his miracles etc
@chillydogification Now i know that you don't speak Arabic or have read the Quran at all. i.e you cant just pick up a book of pharmacology and read one page and prescribe medicine. The word in arabic is WAWAJADA ''appeared'. 'meaning it APPEARED to Thul Qurnain that the sun set in muddy water. IT APPEARED TO HIM. talking about how it appeared through someone elses perspective. not a scientific error.
@momoqass ''The Sun and the Moon, Each one is traveling in an orbit with its own motion” (Quran, 21:33 and 36:40). this is one verse from the Quran in reference to the sun. This is not how it APPEARS through the eyes of a human, but scientifically this is the case. and notice that the word appeared is not mentioned in this verse. Your welcome to ask me anything i will be happy to respond even if you would like to criticise.
At Tariq Chapter 86 verse# 6-7 says" He is created from a water gushing forth Proceeding from between the back-bone and the ribsFrom modern science we know sperm comes from testicles not from lower back. When people say sperm emits from Abdominal Aorta, which is in the area between the back bone (spinal column) and the ribs they sound lame. This means that they are saying that the prostate gland and seminal vesicles are in the abdomen. They are not. they are in the pelvis
@chillydogification youtube(.)com/watch?v=FiOk6VdNjWQ IT NEVER SAYS FROM abdiminal aorta .. don,t cook ur stories .. secretions like prostaglandin do comes and its blood supply and spinal nerve from spinal cord .educate urself
Dear Muslims, How has satan lied to you, saying that Islam is the way.. Look I found the genealogy from Adam to Noah in the bible (Genesis: 5) which is the same as in Quran. SO!! Take the names from Adam to Noah. (Adam, Seth, Enosh, Cainan, Mahalel, Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech, Noah) and TRANSLATE THE NAMES!!!=)) The translation reads: Man, Apointed, Mortal, Sorrow, The blessed God, Shall come down, Teaching, His death shall bring, The despairing, Comfort ... MUSLIMS WAKE UP! Jesus is God!
@lucky258i Wake up..youre insulting God with that anti biblical blasphemy..Jesus is CREATION...God is CREATOR...God INFALLIBLE/ALL KNOWING....Jesus ate and drank/was not all knowing....use logic and rationalize
@CGJUGO80 I already did my friend.. God is ALL POWERFUL - wha'ts so hard for Him to take up the human form and pay for our sins? IF you say that God is 100% JUST.. how CAN He say to the enemy (humanity) "i forgive you without ransom"
He CAN'T becaues He is 100% JUST. For EVERY little sin He demands JUSTICE! because it is written "the wages of sin is death" So in order for you to be saved - you have to pass the judgment (payments) - Jesus (God) paid the price and SATISFIED justice.
@lucky258i I don't know man..you can't find one thing wrong with Islam other than the fact of your personal affection for Jesus. Muslims say we worship the same God, Christians deny because of personal affection for Jesus, Muslims say Christians are misguided, Christians say Muslims are satanists because of their personal affection for Jesus. Islam honors and and loves Jesus and claims he did infact perform all those miracles. But not as God, all prophets did miracles in their own way.
@CGJUGO80 The center of it all is that God NEEDS payment for sin. Otherwise He would be a judge who bribes. If I break the law, I HAVE to pay the fine to the court, otherwise the judge would not be JUST (even if that judge was my father who DEARLY loves me) Now the center of it all comes to the point where Jesus (God) paid the fine for our condemnation - that's why He said "No one comes to the Father but by me" He means NO ONE comes to God but by Him -
@CGJUGO80 Now if you disagree to where God is triune, (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) go at the begining of the bible (or Torah - same thing) and look where God says (Genesis 1:26) ""Let US make man in OUR image, in OUR likeness,.." So That means Jesus is the Part of the triune Godhead - like a tree ( he even leaves examples in nature) Branches, Trunk and Root - the three play different parts but together are called "tree" - Same with Jesus , He is the Son but part of the Godhead. = God
again.. go to the 10 names - Adam to Noah, translate the Clear and Simple msg that is in the names and you will see that the msg is a prophecy about the future that God had to come down and by His death He brings the despairing (condemed world) in peace with Himself. Go even to Quran and find the 10 name genialogy and translate the names - same. Mohamed didn't know that God used names that He named people to CLEARLY show His plans. He knew Islam will come along declairing that Jesus is not God.
@CGJUGO80 If you denie the sacrifice of Jesus for your sins - you denie the payment for your sins. Now when Jesus clearly shows that He is God and you say He isn't, that should rapidly tell you that you're not in acordance with God. How can you be in peace with the Almighty and denie His truth? There has to be harmony between you and the truth of God. Otherwise you count God a liar. (which He said He CAN'T lie - that's His nature like Just, Allmighty, All knowing, love, etc.)
@zfettah05 Evidence? Accounts of creation in Sura; "Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood," (96:2). "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26). "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59). "But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).
@zfettah05 "He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4). There are more: "The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all, (6:115). When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not," (16:101).
@Blitzbok So many contractions in the Quran, not what I would call "Perfection". Where there is contraction there is fault and where there is fault there cannot be perfection... Quran = A jumbled mess. (BTW I don't hate Muslims, but how anyone can read that book and not see it is a mess is beyond me) So you can hate me if you like but... I will lol at you!! 8D Unless you want an intelligent debate, which is actually more fun! <3
@zfettah05 An Ostrich egg isn't "spherical", It is an ovoid / egg-shaped... And the Earth has not been "Scientifically proven" to be egg shaped. You have funnily enough made a contraction in your statement, so I can agree it HAS been proven to be Spherical in shape ;D (the 7 people who "thumbed up" didn't pick that up which is funny! hehe
"The Earth (and other planets, and stars) is spherical because the spherical shape is the lowest energy state that a group of matter can be in. " - NASA
I love it when he says "No Doctor yet understands how the eye works. " If that was so, we wouldn't even be able to have lazer eye treatment to improve eye sight because we wouldn't know what to do, XDDDDD I nearly peed a little when he was taking about splitting your iris and seeing things far away from the top and the bottom seeing things close up!! HAHAHAHA!!!! I bet he thinks the Pupil is just a black dot in the iris that does nothing!
@zfettah05 Umm, no. The Quran does not say that it's egg shaped; dahaha means to throw, cast or spread; check any number of translations of the Quran, the majority and the oldest say "spread" the egg shaped thing is a modern innovation.
@zfettah05 history, scince, the contradictions in the Quran. Think those would qualify as evidence showing the Quran is not perfect. And a ostrich egg is not the shape of the earth by any means.
he is stupid but he is write that he says all his facts are in quran, the truth is quran is wrong, and these people who debate him are more stupid than him.
In islam If you become a martyr, God will give you 70 virgins with wine and everlasting happiness. Isn't it ridiculous that allah lures man with the promise of women in paradise?
@GrimmjowProduction BTW mate, I sent you the message you kept asking me for - it's quite long and quite informative. Read it and let it sink in. I will not sit here and respond to these petty little comments any longer because it is clear to anyone who has the tiniest bit of common sense that what mohammed did with aisha was the act of a typical bloke, not something fit for a supposed role model let alone prophet. regardless of how aby bkr would have felt by his refusal. take care
let me sum up ur argument for u so far : Women should have 1 husband, men can have 4, becos men will know which is their child, women wont know which man is the father. Yes DNA testing is available but its expensive therefore women still cant have more than 1 husband even if living in a time when DNA testing is more accessible. Therefore this proves the quran is written for all ages even though it forgot to counter for future generations who will be able to have easy access to DNA testing. " wow
@MsProudAtheist Word to your stupidity, 1. Sex between Aisha and Muhammad (saw) have never been witnessed or written down.
2. She never got pregnant
3. It wasn't Muhammed's choice to marry her, it was her father Abu Bakr who proposed her to Muhammed
4. Her age is debatable, some claims she was much older than that, its just typical anti muslims who picks the youngest age to show Islam of as a bad religion.
Your stupidity shines through because you are beyond fucking stupid it hurts me... msg now
@GrimmjowProduction It's not my stupidity that should shit you - it's the inability to ever know what the fuck is going on with your own religion that is unconsciously what is frustrating you. When it comes to the claims about how the Quran was memorised by so many people and canonized 50-70 years after mohammed's death you guys claim there are NO ERRORS because everyone memorised (scientifically that is flawed argument anyway but let's not get to that) yet when it comes Aisha's age ur unsure?!
@MsProudAtheist - It was not FORCED upon mohammed to marry her either, he CHOSE TO and UR GOD NEVER STEPPED IN TO TELL HIM HE SHOULD NOT DO SO because as a result of his GREAT example setting we have old men marrying little girls even today - ask them why they do it theyll tell you "because the 'prophet' did so it must be ok" It's about mohammed's FAILURE to set proper standards. So don't take your frustrations out on me - for all u & i know Aisha was younger.
@MsProudAtheist It was not forced, but if you are even the slightiest aware of arab culture, denying the offer of some ones daughter to marriage is of the greatest disrespect, plus when you are marrying some ones daughter its a sign of making bonds and so on, reason why the marriage was rushed so she got married to the prophet in such a young age was that his wife died only couple of years earlier, so Abu Bakr would ensure he could marry his daughter to the prophet before the prophet died....
@GrimmjowProduction You are doing your best at trying to justify it but each attempt brings out more flaws in your arguments. 1. Now you're claiming, a man MUST marry someone elses daughter IN ORDER to show respect. If he denies it, it is disrespectful. 2. The "prophet" wasnt your average joe as I point out every time, he was a "PROPHET", ur "god" could have easily said NO in which case Abu Bakr wudnt have been able to question it. But somehow ur god who interferes with everything, didnt.
@MsProudAtheist 3. Abu Bkr knew there plenty of other fish in the sea for his daughter, but he saw the opportunity of giving his daughter to one of the biggest candidates for power at the time.. As for your earlier comment about him not sleeping with Aisha, the quran states a man must treat ALL women EQUALLY to wed more than 1 (also implies this is near impossible therefore should not be done) In order to treat Aisha equally he would have been treating her the same way as others!
@MsProudAtheist Abu Bakr did it for the sake of closing ties, but the intention of his doesn't really matter, fact is marriage was used in old Arabia as a way of closing ties between one another, not ensuring power to one self. Another fact, he had 5 children with Khadija. After she died he only had 1 child with one of his later married wifes, so that might be able to tell if he even had sex with them. And to start with, 9 year old is still discussed, some claim she was 16-19.
@GrimmjowProduction LOL once again - when it comes to people memorising an entire quran, u have no doubts about the accuracy. When it comes to Aisha's age everyone is confused. YES CLOSING TIES - EXACTLY - conducting BUSINESS! Aisha was merely the camel being sold over to conduct business and secure a state of power or significant role in mohammed's life. NOT HAVING children does not mean NO SEX IT CUD SIMPLY BE THAT SHE HAD NOT REACHED PUBERTY AND CUD NOT FALL PREGNANT! fuck me dead!
@MsProudAtheist He was a prophet, but he is a man in the end, and an example, he isn't divine, what he brought with him is divine. He was a family father as, a friend, and companion a human being. Stop making him higher than he is. He could have said no, but he is compassion reincarnated, and Abu Bakr was a close companion of his, Why should God interfere though ?
@GrimmjowProduction If, in the end, muhammad was just a man bringing something divine with him, how are you assured that it's divine and the quran is not the sayings of a regular 7th century arab?
Point to the science in the quran or the "eloquence" and I'll shoot myself in the head.
No dude, you gotta give something better as proof for the quran's divinity.
@MsProudAtheist Again, with the wrong information, the Quran was written down as soon as the Prophet received the passage, though it was collected into the Quran in the time of Uthman ibn Affan, that means around 12-24 years after the Death of Muhammad (saw). Not 50-70 years.
@GrimmjowProduction no actually NOT wrong information because whilst I was a practicing muslim I had this confirmed by many different sources the only reason I said between 50-70 years, because once again people are "unsure", some sources think in the 8th Century, others, over 30 yrs after his death.. It was written by his followers as he preached, but was not CANONISED until WAY after his death. Incase you have not picked up on it yet religions pick & choose what theyre sure about as seen fit.
@MsProudAtheist OH MY GOD!! It was compiled during the first 3 caliphs, I dont care what your muslim friends and practicing friends say, this is historical facts, not a theory my friend. Read a bit bout islamic history.
@GrimmjowProduction COMPILING OF AND CANONISING OF QURAN IS NOT THE SAME THING - I THINK IT IS U WHO NEEDS TO READ ABOUT ISLAMIC HISTORY. YES PARTS WERE COMPILED DURING PROPHETS TIME, PARTS AFTER HIS TIME, PARTS WAY AFTER HIS TIME, BUT THE ENTIRE QURAN WAS NOT PUT TOGETHER UNTIL DECADES LATER! MUSLIMS HAVE A SPLIT BECAUSE 1 SIDE BELIEVES IT WAS IN THE 8TH CENTURY & ANOTHER GROUP ARGUES THAT IT WAS A LITTLE AFTER THE DEATH. nws ,mate. EVERYONE is wrong, but you youre the only 1 who knows, cheers
@montrealwatcher right on dude!! hahahaha. Fuck all religions and all their bullshit gods and all their brainwashing methods. Makes me sick to my stomach that people can be so fucking stupid!
(Isaiah 40:22) It is he that sitteth upon the sphere of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.
The entire scientific world accepts a round earth. We have pictures for crying out loud!
@montrealwatcher Jesus came first? so its about who came first... the arguement of the earth being flat came first, so it must be flat?? because round is just a wrong follow up to the fact that the earth is flat...? honestly dude... honestly, read... you really need it...
@montrealwatcher Im glad that people will be able to see this arguement, even though they do not believe in god or relgiion, they will know that in this discussion, you was the fool who lacked evidence while i firmly and respectivly presented mine, you was the fool who began throwing offensive words at me and my religion so you could make me mad, and make me sink to your level of arguing... peace...
@montrealwatcher Yes there is, that is a fact, I can infact show it to you if you want to :)
it is a fact that science that first was discovered 1300 years after the revalation of The Quran, are mentioned in the Quran, this have led to scientist converting to Islam because they found it miracolous... you can check it out here on youtube :)
@montrealwatcher Yes there is, that is a fact, I can infact show it to you if you want to :)
it is a fact that science that first was discovered 1300 years after the revalation of The Quran, are mentioned in the Quran, this have led to scientist converting to Islam because they found it miracolous... you can check it out here on youtube :)
@montrealwatcher Still, how will you explain that the psalms of Solomon fortold the coming of Muhammed? or the fact that Jesus prayed like Muslims do now a days? you are basing ur assumptions of religion on few thing you have heard, your mentality is the like of a 14 year old boy who lost his belief in Christianity and now deeming all religions alike... please read a book my dear friend :)
@montrealwatcher Let me ask you a question, if I have a soccer ball, and a carpet with same surface area size as that of the balls... wouldn't I then be able to cover the whole soccer ball with the carpet? yes I would... and you should research about the earth's layers... forexample, we have a thin layer of dirt, rock and stones between us and the hot lava...
@montrealwatcher Infact, the psalms of Solomon in the bible states that one will come will speak the word of the lord, the hebrew orginial version of the psalms of solomon even name Muhammed by name.... so the bible also makes it right :)
the moon god?? you mean Hubal? you should know these gods come from mesopotamia mostly, and was considered channels to the one and only Abrahamic God :) so the arabs believed in Allah, but they prayed to various Gods...
@montrealwatcher My claims are based upon the dilemma that was sorrounding the muslims after Hijrah, the migration of Muslims to Medina. That is how I explain the verse... based upon the issue it was aimed at... you explain the verse upon your absurd misconception of Islam.. Who is more right? one who base it upon objective facts bout the political circumstances, or one who base it upon his subjective idea of what it is ment to mean...
@montrealwatcher Nothing compared to the Inquisition, the holocaust, the murder of native americans and aboriginals... fact is if you look at most manslaughters in the world, europeans and America and get 1st place on that contest, you aint got no shit on Muslims, and if u wanna judge a religion with 1.5 bio followers based on 19 peoples actions then I think u should rethink your life...
those are again paranoid ideas your making up, there are no such Islamic claims..
@montrealwatcher that is another discussion. and no, there are no such book alike the Quran, fact considering the way it linguisticly is put together.
the moon and the crescent is a sign first used by Muslims 400 years after the Arival of Islam, it was infact a secular sign for the police of the Ottoman empire :)
you tell me, I can tell you that Muhammed and his followers freed 30.000 slaves during his prophethood.
infact alot of scientific facts have been revealed in the Qur'an...
@montrealwatcher Infact, I base it upon historical facts upon how the political, religious and economic circumstances was for the newborn religion of Islam and its prophet Muhammed (saw) was since some of these things had to happen, you talk bout a verse, with no idea of what it is addresing, and what context its mentioned in. Your leaders invade countries that doesnt agree with their neo capitalistic way of handling economy. USA is reponsible for 1.5 mio iraqi deaths from 1991 to 2003.
there are no contradiction my friend, just you trying to make one up... and the sword verse was during the peace treaty with the Meccans which was couple years after Hihraj, honestly mother fucker, read a fuckin book bout the time in Medina during the Islamic revelation, the sword verse is about meccans, not bout you or other non muslims you asshole... and you would be suprised to find out how mecca turned muslim.
@GrimmjowProduction Obviously you don't understand your own book to think there are no contradictions. BIGGEST contradiction. "Why are we here?" Because god wanted company. "Why are we sent 503430840039203 messages?" Because god is testing you. "But god knows all" But you don't know which path you'll pick. "But does it matter if I know?" No, because god already knows if ull end up in heaven or hell. "So why is he testing me again?" Because god is being fair. "so what about children who die?"...
@MsProudAtheist ...God will send them straight to heaven..." So how exactly is that fair?" Because god is giving you a chance because he loves you. "So if god created me in a way where I can commit evil, why is that my fault? "Because god is testing you.". It's nothing but contradictions and bullshit stories you retard, what book are you reading?! Beating around the bush and handing out circular arguments don't mean no contradictions, it means constant fuck ups and flaws.
@GrimmjowProduction - yes that's a nice little thought isn't it =] as I was stating in my previous message. It's not "fair" when some souls get free tickets into this supposedly beautiful place where we can sit with "wide eyed beauties" who are untouched and yada yada, whilst the rest of the people have to live through it to "prove" themselves to someTHING who already KNOWS where they will end up. Dumbest fairy tale story ever told
@GrimmjowProduction - I already acknowledged that as the common response. To show how it contradicts with the idea of a "fair" god. If a child can die and get a free ticket into this heaven place only to get there and drink with untouched "wide eyed" beauties, then I think everyone else deserves the same free ride rather than living a life being FORCED to prove themselves to something that already knows them inside out. Bullshit story fed by intelligent men who knew how to conquer land & make $
@MsProudAtheist Well dont believe then, but if you wanna take this debate to a serious level, I suggest over the messageboard since there is a character limit of 500...
@GrimmjowProduction Well I dont believe I am ashamed to say I used to be a muslim and thank fuck I snapped out of it. No I don't need to debate you - because nothing you can say can ever justify a god who thinks its OK for a 40 yr old "role model" to marry not only multiple women, but a little 9 year old also. Your argument of "it was normal back then" wont cut it either, because old moey was meant to be a role model for ALL men and women - not like your average joe. Great role model he was =]
@MsProudAtheist This shows me your completly unknowledgeble about Muhammed, you dont even know the details. And reason for women cant marry more husbands is because they wouldn't know who child is who, and they would be slow to produce children, if many children where needed due to farming etc etc... but come and debate, dont back out of it. Lets debate about Muhammed :)
@GrimmjowProduction - so youre argument is because a woman would not know which child belongs to who that is why god rips women off ??? LOLLL - ok einstein, how about if your wife is having an affair and falls pregnant by another man. Are you going to know - without dna testing or anything - whether or not that child is yours? And in a world where DNA testing is readily available, are you still arguing this as a valid point? I'm not running away, I'm right here.
@GrimmjowProduction - BTW i love how u ignore the issue of a "role model" hand picked by god marrying a little girl to set a perfectly moral example for all the rest of u blokes.But even in ur argument about farming - not knowing child etc etc, u are basically implying that ur all seeing god could not see that in the 21st Century DNA testing would be available. So basically, the Quran isnt for all ages as it claims & as a result Chinese men are alone becos god forgot they would end up this way.
@MsProudAtheist So God should have allowed women to marry more men, because they also had DNA testing from 600 to 1900 ? Plus DNA testing costs 2000$ some places, and its still not available in every part of the world, your argueing in redundant and stupid... Qur'an is universal, not made for a specific time stupid. Lets move to sending messages if your so intelligent about Islam and im ignorant.
@GrimmjowProduction - YOU were the one WHO MADE THE ARGUMENT. YOU said "women would not know which child belongs to who". I just summed up what you said and from that came to the conclusion that we should ignore that women CAN KNOW which child belongs to who, especially since in this day and age it is more READILY AVAILABLE, and in another thousand years it would be even MORE easily accessible. EXACTLY. you are arguing the quran is for ALL ages, not just for the ppl of the 6th Century!
Respond to this video... and, you are STILL Ignoring the fact that your beloved role model was having sex with a little girl. I'm still waiting for a PROPER justification of how you can worship a god who is OK with such a disgusting act. Please, stop commenting on my apparent stupidity, answer my question oh intelligent one.
& before you throw the typical muslim line of "a man can only have 4 women if he treats them equal & it's because in times of war women:men ratio is uneven" let me already point out the flaws of those arguments. China now has more men, less women - why didnt the Quran mention it would be ok for women to have 4 husbands in any instant of uneven gender ratio? Something else you cant justify. If mohammed was treating all 4 equally, then guess what, he was sleeping with the 9 yr old. Is that ok ??
@montrealwatcher Again a clear proof of lack of knowledge about the time of the revelation of the Qur'an. Muslims in mecca was percecuted by the polytheists and Muhammed was tried murdered, this is why there was war between the two. It is wrong to force some one to believe in Islam since the qur'an says "there shall be no forcing in the religion". Please read about the autobiography of Muhammed and the time around Islam's revelation before talking like u know something.
@Navigator20081 i am not happy on your ignorance. Prophet Muhammad never said so about Earth. Quran is ethical book not book like bible. Bible is pornographic book full of rapes and incests. Incests between son and mothers, brother and sister,father and daughter, father in law and daughter in law...need to know references in bible? Quran, praise to Allah, is void of all these absurdities.
@ok748 Mate pointing out the flaws of OTHER books does not make your book ANY MORE REAL - when will you Muslims GET THAT?!?! All religious books are full of shit - you know why? BECAUSE ALL WERE WRITTEN BY MEN - that's right, sad pathetic sex-crazed, money hungry, power hungry men. You talk about incest and rape in Bible, sorry mate but taking that out and replacing it with pedophilia does not make it any better. Hey I know, let's get your 9 yr old daughter to marry my 60 yr old father =] YAY
@montrealwatcher forbidden months are the months of truce that Muhammed had with the Meccans during the war between Medina and Mecca, the pagans are the polyteists of mecca... they claimed to pray to Allah but prayed to various god's around the kaaba. You should really read the 4 verses infront of it or the 3 after it. because they are important for understanding this verse dumbass...
and talk to me as you would have talked to me if I was infront of you, dont talk shit like that.
@montrealwatcher "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." 9-5 Qur'an. well, if u say this contradict Islam then u have no idea of it or its history, forbidden months is the truce, the pagans are the meccans.
you waist your time with these retarded backward people?
they are nothing except a BIG mouth they are just the consummers of the western inventions. they have nothing to offer. maybe beans.
they claim their CULT to be fastest growing one? yes by birth DOH!! look at them making 6 to 9 chikdreens and collect checks in the infidels christians countries.
but one day, one but they will be arase drom the sur face of earth. it's just a matter of time.
To all muslim people, we know the earth is not flat because we read quran. THey don't know and simply said quran said earth is flat because they didn't read quran. Simple is it?? :D
Biggest challenge in the world is to prove no mistakes in the Quran.
This is so funny... World is like a carpet...Aisha was fully grown woman...
"A man can have sex with sheep, cows and camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine."
@hogepriestertoet don't believe this shit! It's written in the Quran is spherical!! i don't know what kind of confrontation is this..i just know that's it's all made up!
@aodonnell51 if it wasnt for islam u wouldn't be sitting on a mother fuckin computer right now, with out islam there wouldn't have been a renainsance...
@244681 Earth is a Perfect Circle, When is the last time you saw an OVAL shaped Globe ? An ostrich's Egg is Oval not Circle, BIG DIFFERENCE.
Saying Earth is an Oval would be equivalent of saying the Equator is twice the size of the Longitude. Not a problem for Retards who think they are all the same, but when you start working with Math, The Radius of Earth would be 60% of the real Radius if Earth was an Oval, not a Perfect Sphere.
So Quran is again proved False since Earth is Circle not Oval.
@244681 But heh, I don't expect you to consider it a Big Difference because you probably don't even know the difference between an Almost Perfect Circle or an Oval, since both would be the same to you.
Saying the Earth would be Oval, would change every SINGLE Mathematical Proof and Measurement taken so far. Not a big difference huh ? If Earth was an Oval instead of an Almost Perfect Sphere, we would have like 15 Hours a day not 24. Of course again, Not a big difference...
The word dahah which is used in the quran to describe the earth's shape means a special egg, ostrich egg. the ostrich egg has a shape like the shape of the earth, which is spherical.
This man in the video, dont have much knowledge when in comes to science or quran.
sesshy34, check islam for urself, and read quran with an open mind. may god open ur eyes!
@sesshy34 I enjoyed it very much.ty. and yes the universe is extremely big,and exceed our imagination. and this video just strengthened my faith in god^^
But i fully, hundred percent believe that god created this universe, and why do i do that? because of the quran. it is a miracle og miracles, it is even a greater miracle than when jesus raised the dead from the grave with gods permission. =>
@sesshy34 And i believe that islam is the truth, and that other religion and atheism is false. i have studied other religion and found out that islam in fact is the only true religion. Firstly, because of the onnes of god. only islam believes in the pure onness of god. secoundly: the quran has not been changed since it was revealed unlike the bibel. and quran has scientific facts, and historical.
In islam we are told, that the universe is a very little creation of god.
@244681 You found out your religion is best because mommy and daddy taught you that from the time you could listen.Studying other religions?Don't compound your foolishness with lies.
@sesshy34 the prophet said in a tradition which is similar to this saying of a muslim scholar;"IF the seven heavens and the seven earths were flattened and laid side by side, they would add up to the size of a ring in a desert,compared to the Kursi" And the kursi the same way to the Arsh.
meaning that there are creation of god which are much greater that this universe,and the universe is nothing compared to them.
This saying proves again that islam believes that the earth is not flat but round
@sesshy34 now i want to ask a same question to u. "Could this universe be created out of nothing"? dont u think that there was some mighty power and mind behind all this?
@244681 nothing doesn't exist, matter keeps breaking down into smaller and smaller particles and the smaller particles rejoin to form something else...I'm pretty sure a pedophile didn't have anything to do with those particles
@244681 nothing doesn't exist, matter keeps breaking down into smaller and smaller particles and the smaller particles rejoin to form something else...I'm pretty sure a pedophile didn't have anything to do with those particles but I could be wrong
ha ha ha ha ha! now this is incredibly stupid! The koran is offensive and should be wiped off the face of the earth
hross233 1 month ago
Lets stop being stupid here. If you see a ship coming from the horizon, it looks like its rising from the sea right, it doesn't show up one time it takes time, first the sails then the deck and then the whole ship.
Greek thinkers proved that thousands of years ago.
balaalalaslk 1 month ago
No where in the Quran you will see that the earth is flat, but in fact says it's round. But in the Bible the only way it's mentioned to be is flat.
AH88D 5 months ago
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zilexxx 5 months ago
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@AH88D the quran sclearky states that earth is flat and it also shows geocentric model that sun and mon are going around the earth and not earth and moon around sun also nowhere does the quran even mention ostrich egg ,but word dahaha means spread strech and flatten root is dahawa not duhiya ,and duhiya also means flatten or spread and you can find the meaning in any arabic dictionary also bible say that earth is circular not flat!
zilexxx 5 months ago
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"He created the heavens and earth in truth. He makes the night overlap the day and makes the day overlap the night and has subjected the sun and the moon, each running [its course] for a specified term. Unquestionably, He is the Exalted in Might, the Perpetual Forgiver."{39:5}
AH88D 2 months ago
@zilexxx i can give you countless verses from the Bible that say the earth is flat, but for now ill just give you one.
"And after these things I saw four angels standing on four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree" (Revelation 7:1)
The earth has corners?!!
The earth needs four angels to carry it from its CORNERS so the wind won't blow the sea and tree's of the earth?!
AH88D 2 months ago
@AH88D so what bible is religious book not a scientific book as anyone will tell you , ,christians and jews dont claim bible to be scientific book,as muslims do for the quran,second the verse you quoted down there again shows the error in quran as it says that night and the are day dependent on the moon and the sun and if we read other verses sun going under allahs throne ,or sun going into muddy pool we can easily conclude it does talk about flat earth .
zilexxx 2 months ago
@AH88D and also what you forgot to say in bible earth is mentioned as circular ,you will no where find in the bible flat and earth together but you will find in quran flat and al ard in so many verses !
zilexxx 2 months ago
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Munzer1977 5 months ago
@Munzer1977, stand for islam, take away women freedom. and have many wives. stoning , killing, beheading. let's celebrate the death of the education. Defend our beliefs , family, friends. if someone is not islam is our enemy. let's kill them all.....oh great i love islam.
moistfaucet 4 months ago
There's no reference anywhere in the Quran that says the earth is flat. The Quran is God words and God don't make mistakes. Period
Munzer1977 5 months ago
@Munzer1977 great explanation -_-
ndntakeover24 4 months ago
This is what happens when you get your science from the Quran.
tonyosvaldo 7 months ago
what is this memri tv? owned by atheists or what? they always spread lies and hatred against islam...pure desception...i wanna know who owns this memri tv and where is it located!!
manzar9121 8 months ago
@manzar9121 Christianity is only religion or group which insults islam. Atheists does NOT insult islam or tell lies. Atheism doesn't tell lies becouse it does NOT tell anything. There is no book, no text, no storys. It is a tough that there is NO God or meatballs and spaghetti (creationism)
ValionKevytMaito 7 months ago
@manzar9121 calm down
ndntakeover24 4 months ago
Let muslems think their quran is perfect. Vague thing called spiritualism is basically their only claim to fame. We non muslems Hindu's, Chinese, Westerners have better things to do. Like keeping our societies functioning and letting it prosper as well as invent things for the good of mankind. I hope that after the Arab uprisings, Arabs will see islam as it is, a bunch of folklore from yesteryears. And now lets move on!
FallusInferior 8 months ago
lol! "NO doctor has yet understood how the eye works. " So there. Sounds 100% like the young earth creationist arguments, which chances are even relatively moderate Muslims espouse. 6 day creation is a myth.
Enginmaster 8 months ago
@chester1080 your ass wouldnt get anywhere near mecca boi dont play yourself nevermind the politics and how america needs saudia arabia but even if you tried with whatever money your borrowing from china you would still lose look at your own soldiers raping their own woman how could you rape another US soldier you guys are beasts and beasts are the lowest of the low
ali921812 9 months ago
THEY HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THE QURAN SAYS THE HOLY QURAN IS THE BEST SCIENCE BOOK ON THIS PLANET ....
855842 9 months ago
@855842 What?
rubblemp 9 months ago
@rubblemp QURAN NEVER SAYS THE EARTH IS FLAT SHAPED...LET HIM PROVIDE FOR US THE VERSE.. THIS IS AN ANTI ISLAM VIDEO...ALL HIS VIDEOS ARE FULL OF LIES
855842 9 months ago
@855842
Really? Great. What's the cure for cancer then? Toss in cures for Multiple Sclerosis, Muscular Dystrophy and AIDS. Science has done it's part curing leprosy, polio, smallpox and extending human life by some 40 years, so get to work on extracting all the great knowledge from the quran.
rohanwotan2 8 months ago
smo0ow
zulfitareen 9 months ago
Thank you for the question. 'taraaib' taraa'ib which is the lower rib or pelvic arch belongs to the Woman... not man. Furthermore it refers to the ejaculation area between the man and the woman, not the area whereby the sperm is produced. sorry for my poor way of answering
momoqass 9 months ago
i think its time you all become a little more open minded and learn about islam the fastest growing religion in America, forget what you think you know... read the quran (the last testament) no contradictions no discrepencies no mathmatetical or scientific errors. never been altertered and memorized by over 9 million people world wide see what it has to say about jesus, his mother his miracles etc
momoqass 10 months ago 2
@momoqass no mathmatetical or scientific errors. did you even watch this video? Let me ask you , Does the sun set in a muddy pit?
chillydogification 9 months ago
@chillydogification Now i know that you don't speak Arabic or have read the Quran at all. i.e you cant just pick up a book of pharmacology and read one page and prescribe medicine. The word in arabic is WAWAJADA ''appeared'. 'meaning it APPEARED to Thul Qurnain that the sun set in muddy water. IT APPEARED TO HIM. talking about how it appeared through someone elses perspective. not a scientific error.
momoqass 9 months ago
@momoqass ''The Sun and the Moon, Each one is traveling in an orbit with its own motion” (Quran, 21:33 and 36:40). this is one verse from the Quran in reference to the sun. This is not how it APPEARS through the eyes of a human, but scientifically this is the case. and notice that the word appeared is not mentioned in this verse. Your welcome to ask me anything i will be happy to respond even if you would like to criticise.
momoqass 9 months ago
At Tariq Chapter 86 verse# 6-7 says" He is created from a water gushing forth Proceeding from between the back-bone and the ribsFrom modern science we know sperm comes from testicles not from lower back. When people say sperm emits from Abdominal Aorta, which is in the area between the back bone (spinal column) and the ribs they sound lame. This means that they are saying that the prostate gland and seminal vesicles are in the abdomen. They are not. they are in the pelvis
chillydogification 9 months ago
@chillydogification youtube(.)com/watch?v=FiOk6VdNjWQ IT NEVER SAYS FROM abdiminal aorta .. don,t cook ur stories .. secretions like prostaglandin do comes and its blood supply and spinal nerve from spinal cord .educate urself
sicker57 9 months ago
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Well, yes The Quran does say that the earth is flat.
solom94 11 months ago
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Dear Muslims, How has satan lied to you, saying that Islam is the way.. Look I found the genealogy from Adam to Noah in the bible (Genesis: 5) which is the same as in Quran. SO!! Take the names from Adam to Noah. (Adam, Seth, Enosh, Cainan, Mahalel, Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech, Noah) and TRANSLATE THE NAMES!!!=)) The translation reads: Man, Apointed, Mortal, Sorrow, The blessed God, Shall come down, Teaching, His death shall bring, The despairing, Comfort ... MUSLIMS WAKE UP! Jesus is God!
lucky258i 11 months ago
@lucky258i Wake up..youre insulting God with that anti biblical blasphemy..Jesus is CREATION...God is CREATOR...God INFALLIBLE/ALL KNOWING....Jesus ate and drank/was not all knowing....use logic and rationalize
CGJUGO80 11 months ago
@CGJUGO80 I already did my friend.. God is ALL POWERFUL - wha'ts so hard for Him to take up the human form and pay for our sins? IF you say that God is 100% JUST.. how CAN He say to the enemy (humanity) "i forgive you without ransom"
He CAN'T becaues He is 100% JUST. For EVERY little sin He demands JUSTICE! because it is written "the wages of sin is death" So in order for you to be saved - you have to pass the judgment (payments) - Jesus (God) paid the price and SATISFIED justice.
lucky258i 10 months ago
@lucky258i I don't know man..you can't find one thing wrong with Islam other than the fact of your personal affection for Jesus. Muslims say we worship the same God, Christians deny because of personal affection for Jesus, Muslims say Christians are misguided, Christians say Muslims are satanists because of their personal affection for Jesus. Islam honors and and loves Jesus and claims he did infact perform all those miracles. But not as God, all prophets did miracles in their own way.
CGJUGO80 10 months ago 2
Christians despise Islam because of its belief that he was a great prophet, but not God...because of their personal affection for Jesus
CGJUGO80 10 months ago
@CGJUGO80 The center of it all is that God NEEDS payment for sin. Otherwise He would be a judge who bribes. If I break the law, I HAVE to pay the fine to the court, otherwise the judge would not be JUST (even if that judge was my father who DEARLY loves me) Now the center of it all comes to the point where Jesus (God) paid the fine for our condemnation - that's why He said "No one comes to the Father but by me" He means NO ONE comes to God but by Him -
lucky258i 10 months ago
@CGJUGO80 Now if you disagree to where God is triune, (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) go at the begining of the bible (or Torah - same thing) and look where God says (Genesis 1:26) ""Let US make man in OUR image, in OUR likeness,.." So That means Jesus is the Part of the triune Godhead - like a tree ( he even leaves examples in nature) Branches, Trunk and Root - the three play different parts but together are called "tree" - Same with Jesus , He is the Son but part of the Godhead. = God
lucky258i 10 months ago
again.. go to the 10 names - Adam to Noah, translate the Clear and Simple msg that is in the names and you will see that the msg is a prophecy about the future that God had to come down and by His death He brings the despairing (condemed world) in peace with Himself. Go even to Quran and find the 10 name genialogy and translate the names - same. Mohamed didn't know that God used names that He named people to CLEARLY show His plans. He knew Islam will come along declairing that Jesus is not God.
lucky258i 10 months ago
@CGJUGO80 If you denie the sacrifice of Jesus for your sins - you denie the payment for your sins. Now when Jesus clearly shows that He is God and you say He isn't, that should rapidly tell you that you're not in acordance with God. How can you be in peace with the Almighty and denie His truth? There has to be harmony between you and the truth of God. Otherwise you count God a liar. (which He said He CAN'T lie - that's His nature like Just, Allmighty, All knowing, love, etc.)
lucky258i 10 months ago
haha stupid muslim
CyprusHot 11 months ago
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zfettah05 11 months ago 13
@zfettah05 This is 100% true. The Quran is absolutely true.
jetonmaloku 11 months ago
@zfettah05 Evidence? Accounts of creation in Sura; "Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood," (96:2). "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26). "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59). "But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).
Blitzbok 8 months ago
@Blitzbok What's this???
zfettah05 8 months ago
@zfettah05 Quotes from the Qu'ran.
Blitzbok 8 months ago
@zfettah05 "He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4). There are more: "The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all, (6:115). When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not," (16:101).
Blitzbok 8 months ago
@Blitzbok So many contractions in the Quran, not what I would call "Perfection". Where there is contraction there is fault and where there is fault there cannot be perfection... Quran = A jumbled mess. (BTW I don't hate Muslims, but how anyone can read that book and not see it is a mess is beyond me) So you can hate me if you like but... I will lol at you!! 8D Unless you want an intelligent debate, which is actually more fun! <3
xCherryFizzlex 8 months ago
@zfettah05 Also, the Earth is not the same as an ostrich egg. The Earth is spherical, an ostrich egg is geoid. So that comparison is wrong.
Blitzbok 8 months ago
@zfettah05 An Ostrich egg isn't "spherical", It is an ovoid / egg-shaped... And the Earth has not been "Scientifically proven" to be egg shaped. You have funnily enough made a contraction in your statement, so I can agree it HAS been proven to be Spherical in shape ;D (the 7 people who "thumbed up" didn't pick that up which is funny! hehe
"The Earth (and other planets, and stars) is spherical because the spherical shape is the lowest energy state that a group of matter can be in. " - NASA
xCherryFizzlex 8 months ago
I love it when he says "No Doctor yet understands how the eye works. " If that was so, we wouldn't even be able to have lazer eye treatment to improve eye sight because we wouldn't know what to do, XDDDDD I nearly peed a little when he was taking about splitting your iris and seeing things far away from the top and the bottom seeing things close up!! HAHAHAHA!!!! I bet he thinks the Pupil is just a black dot in the iris that does nothing!
xCherryFizzlex 8 months ago
@zfettah05 Umm, no. The Quran does not say that it's egg shaped; dahaha means to throw, cast or spread; check any number of translations of the Quran, the majority and the oldest say "spread" the egg shaped thing is a modern innovation.
ketsan 8 months ago
The quran is perfect?
thereligionofpeace.c om/Pages/Quran-Hate.h tm
thereligionofpeace.c om/Muhammad/myths-mu-home.h tm
Fridaey13txhOktober 4 months ago
@zfettah05 history, scince, the contradictions in the Quran. Think those would qualify as evidence showing the Quran is not perfect. And a ostrich egg is not the shape of the earth by any means.
Shirotora1979 1 month ago
@Shirotora1979 Which history and which science??
zfettah05 1 month ago
translation = FAIL
MojowidanAK 11 months ago
the qor'an doesnt say anything about the earth being flat...
khalilrabee 11 months ago 12
the moon is half the size of the sun....
His brain is half the size of shit!
gethin1239 11 months ago
he is stupid but he is write that he says all his facts are in quran, the truth is quran is wrong, and these people who debate him are more stupid than him.
Danyar38 11 months ago
My goodness me – what a silly bugger…
Mundify66 11 months ago
Can anyone authenticate this translation? I mean, it HAS to be erroneous because nobody can be that ignorant... or can they?
comercuuy 1 year ago
yeah... the sun is just twise as big as the moon? idiot, the sun is thousands of times bigger than earth!
MagMag96 1 year ago
You need to stop taking nutjobs like that seriously. It's embarrassing, not only for Muslims I imagine, but for all humanity.
akallabror 1 year ago
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In islam If you become a martyr, God will give you 70 virgins with wine and everlasting happiness. Isn't it ridiculous that allah lures man with the promise of women in paradise?
islamfalse 1 year ago
what a joke lmao. that hardcore muslim guy had no idea what he was talking about
NFLdoWORK 1 year ago
When was this recorded? The guy with the glasses is talking like he comes from the Pre-Socrates era!! He's hardcore Muslim!
Massiah82 1 year ago
@GrimmjowProduction BTW mate, I sent you the message you kept asking me for - it's quite long and quite informative. Read it and let it sink in. I will not sit here and respond to these petty little comments any longer because it is clear to anyone who has the tiniest bit of common sense that what mohammed did with aisha was the act of a typical bloke, not something fit for a supposed role model let alone prophet. regardless of how aby bkr would have felt by his refusal. take care
MsProudAtheist 1 year ago
The Arabic word ارض can mean 2 things:
Earth or Ground....
So when god says we have spread the ارض as a carpet in the Quran
He's probably referring to land not the Earth... So don't believe the English translations
Ali313xx 1 year ago
let me sum up ur argument for u so far : Women should have 1 husband, men can have 4, becos men will know which is their child, women wont know which man is the father. Yes DNA testing is available but its expensive therefore women still cant have more than 1 husband even if living in a time when DNA testing is more accessible. Therefore this proves the quran is written for all ages even though it forgot to counter for future generations who will be able to have easy access to DNA testing. " wow
MsProudAtheist 1 year ago
@MsProudAtheist Word to your stupidity, 1. Sex between Aisha and Muhammad (saw) have never been witnessed or written down.
2. She never got pregnant
3. It wasn't Muhammed's choice to marry her, it was her father Abu Bakr who proposed her to Muhammed
4. Her age is debatable, some claims she was much older than that, its just typical anti muslims who picks the youngest age to show Islam of as a bad religion.
Your stupidity shines through because you are beyond fucking stupid it hurts me... msg now
GrimmjowProduction 1 year ago
@GrimmjowProduction It's not my stupidity that should shit you - it's the inability to ever know what the fuck is going on with your own religion that is unconsciously what is frustrating you. When it comes to the claims about how the Quran was memorised by so many people and canonized 50-70 years after mohammed's death you guys claim there are NO ERRORS because everyone memorised (scientifically that is flawed argument anyway but let's not get to that) yet when it comes Aisha's age ur unsure?!
MsProudAtheist 1 year ago
@MsProudAtheist - It was not FORCED upon mohammed to marry her either, he CHOSE TO and UR GOD NEVER STEPPED IN TO TELL HIM HE SHOULD NOT DO SO because as a result of his GREAT example setting we have old men marrying little girls even today - ask them why they do it theyll tell you "because the 'prophet' did so it must be ok" It's about mohammed's FAILURE to set proper standards. So don't take your frustrations out on me - for all u & i know Aisha was younger.
MsProudAtheist 1 year ago
@MsProudAtheist It was not forced, but if you are even the slightiest aware of arab culture, denying the offer of some ones daughter to marriage is of the greatest disrespect, plus when you are marrying some ones daughter its a sign of making bonds and so on, reason why the marriage was rushed so she got married to the prophet in such a young age was that his wife died only couple of years earlier, so Abu Bakr would ensure he could marry his daughter to the prophet before the prophet died....
GrimmjowProduction 1 year ago
@GrimmjowProduction You are doing your best at trying to justify it but each attempt brings out more flaws in your arguments. 1. Now you're claiming, a man MUST marry someone elses daughter IN ORDER to show respect. If he denies it, it is disrespectful. 2. The "prophet" wasnt your average joe as I point out every time, he was a "PROPHET", ur "god" could have easily said NO in which case Abu Bakr wudnt have been able to question it. But somehow ur god who interferes with everything, didnt.
MsProudAtheist 1 year ago
@MsProudAtheist 3. Abu Bkr knew there plenty of other fish in the sea for his daughter, but he saw the opportunity of giving his daughter to one of the biggest candidates for power at the time.. As for your earlier comment about him not sleeping with Aisha, the quran states a man must treat ALL women EQUALLY to wed more than 1 (also implies this is near impossible therefore should not be done) In order to treat Aisha equally he would have been treating her the same way as others!
MsProudAtheist 1 year ago
@MsProudAtheist Abu Bakr did it for the sake of closing ties, but the intention of his doesn't really matter, fact is marriage was used in old Arabia as a way of closing ties between one another, not ensuring power to one self. Another fact, he had 5 children with Khadija. After she died he only had 1 child with one of his later married wifes, so that might be able to tell if he even had sex with them. And to start with, 9 year old is still discussed, some claim she was 16-19.
GrimmjowProduction 1 year ago
@GrimmjowProduction LOL once again - when it comes to people memorising an entire quran, u have no doubts about the accuracy. When it comes to Aisha's age everyone is confused. YES CLOSING TIES - EXACTLY - conducting BUSINESS! Aisha was merely the camel being sold over to conduct business and secure a state of power or significant role in mohammed's life. NOT HAVING children does not mean NO SEX IT CUD SIMPLY BE THAT SHE HAD NOT REACHED PUBERTY AND CUD NOT FALL PREGNANT! fuck me dead!
MsProudAtheist 1 year ago
@MsProudAtheist He was a prophet, but he is a man in the end, and an example, he isn't divine, what he brought with him is divine. He was a family father as, a friend, and companion a human being. Stop making him higher than he is. He could have said no, but he is compassion reincarnated, and Abu Bakr was a close companion of his, Why should God interfere though ?
GrimmjowProduction 1 year ago
@GrimmjowProduction If, in the end, muhammad was just a man bringing something divine with him, how are you assured that it's divine and the quran is not the sayings of a regular 7th century arab?
Point to the science in the quran or the "eloquence" and I'll shoot myself in the head.
No dude, you gotta give something better as proof for the quran's divinity.
robbegx 1 year ago
@MsProudAtheist Again, with the wrong information, the Quran was written down as soon as the Prophet received the passage, though it was collected into the Quran in the time of Uthman ibn Affan, that means around 12-24 years after the Death of Muhammad (saw). Not 50-70 years.
GrimmjowProduction 1 year ago
@GrimmjowProduction no actually NOT wrong information because whilst I was a practicing muslim I had this confirmed by many different sources the only reason I said between 50-70 years, because once again people are "unsure", some sources think in the 8th Century, others, over 30 yrs after his death.. It was written by his followers as he preached, but was not CANONISED until WAY after his death. Incase you have not picked up on it yet religions pick & choose what theyre sure about as seen fit.
MsProudAtheist 1 year ago
@MsProudAtheist OH MY GOD!! It was compiled during the first 3 caliphs, I dont care what your muslim friends and practicing friends say, this is historical facts, not a theory my friend. Read a bit bout islamic history.
GrimmjowProduction 1 year ago
@GrimmjowProduction COMPILING OF AND CANONISING OF QURAN IS NOT THE SAME THING - I THINK IT IS U WHO NEEDS TO READ ABOUT ISLAMIC HISTORY. YES PARTS WERE COMPILED DURING PROPHETS TIME, PARTS AFTER HIS TIME, PARTS WAY AFTER HIS TIME, BUT THE ENTIRE QURAN WAS NOT PUT TOGETHER UNTIL DECADES LATER! MUSLIMS HAVE A SPLIT BECAUSE 1 SIDE BELIEVES IT WAS IN THE 8TH CENTURY & ANOTHER GROUP ARGUES THAT IT WAS A LITTLE AFTER THE DEATH. nws ,mate. EVERYONE is wrong, but you youre the only 1 who knows, cheers
MsProudAtheist 1 year ago
@montrealwatcher right on dude!! hahahaha. Fuck all religions and all their bullshit gods and all their brainwashing methods. Makes me sick to my stomach that people can be so fucking stupid!
MsProudAtheist 1 year ago
The extremist is a loony.
Kyruis 1 year ago
(Isaiah 40:22) It is he that sitteth upon the sphere of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.
The entire scientific world accepts a round earth. We have pictures for crying out loud!
Danthemanlyman7 1 year ago
the sun makes a move every 24 hour..... islam is funny i guess. in the west this would not have been debated in first place
frombaerum 1 year ago
@montrealwatcher Jesus came first? so its about who came first... the arguement of the earth being flat came first, so it must be flat?? because round is just a wrong follow up to the fact that the earth is flat...? honestly dude... honestly, read... you really need it...
GrimmjowProduction 1 year ago
@montrealwatcher Im glad that people will be able to see this arguement, even though they do not believe in god or relgiion, they will know that in this discussion, you was the fool who lacked evidence while i firmly and respectivly presented mine, you was the fool who began throwing offensive words at me and my religion so you could make me mad, and make me sink to your level of arguing... peace...
GrimmjowProduction 1 year ago
@montrealwatcher we should move on to discuss this over the message bord, for the sake of more space...
GrimmjowProduction 1 year ago
@montrealwatcher I shall send you a message of it...
GrimmjowProduction 1 year ago
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@montrealwatcher Yes there is, that is a fact, I can infact show it to you if you want to :)
it is a fact that science that first was discovered 1300 years after the revalation of The Quran, are mentioned in the Quran, this have led to scientist converting to Islam because they found it miracolous... you can check it out here on youtube :)
GrimmjowProduction 1 year ago
@montrealwatcher Yes there is, that is a fact, I can infact show it to you if you want to :)
it is a fact that science that first was discovered 1300 years after the revalation of The Quran, are mentioned in the Quran, this have led to scientist converting to Islam because they found it miracolous... you can check it out here on youtube :)
GrimmjowProduction 1 year ago
@montrealwatcher Still, how will you explain that the psalms of Solomon fortold the coming of Muhammed? or the fact that Jesus prayed like Muslims do now a days? you are basing ur assumptions of religion on few thing you have heard, your mentality is the like of a 14 year old boy who lost his belief in Christianity and now deeming all religions alike... please read a book my dear friend :)
GrimmjowProduction 1 year ago
@montrealwatcher Let me ask you a question, if I have a soccer ball, and a carpet with same surface area size as that of the balls... wouldn't I then be able to cover the whole soccer ball with the carpet? yes I would... and you should research about the earth's layers... forexample, we have a thin layer of dirt, rock and stones between us and the hot lava...
GrimmjowProduction 1 year ago
@montrealwatcher Infact, the psalms of Solomon in the bible states that one will come will speak the word of the lord, the hebrew orginial version of the psalms of solomon even name Muhammed by name.... so the bible also makes it right :)
the moon god?? you mean Hubal? you should know these gods come from mesopotamia mostly, and was considered channels to the one and only Abrahamic God :) so the arabs believed in Allah, but they prayed to various Gods...
GrimmjowProduction 1 year ago
@montrealwatcher My claims are based upon the dilemma that was sorrounding the muslims after Hijrah, the migration of Muslims to Medina. That is how I explain the verse... based upon the issue it was aimed at... you explain the verse upon your absurd misconception of Islam.. Who is more right? one who base it upon objective facts bout the political circumstances, or one who base it upon his subjective idea of what it is ment to mean...
GrimmjowProduction 1 year ago
@montrealwatcher Nothing compared to the Inquisition, the holocaust, the murder of native americans and aboriginals... fact is if you look at most manslaughters in the world, europeans and America and get 1st place on that contest, you aint got no shit on Muslims, and if u wanna judge a religion with 1.5 bio followers based on 19 peoples actions then I think u should rethink your life...
those are again paranoid ideas your making up, there are no such Islamic claims..
GrimmjowProduction 1 year ago
@montrealwatcher that is another discussion. and no, there are no such book alike the Quran, fact considering the way it linguisticly is put together.
the moon and the crescent is a sign first used by Muslims 400 years after the Arival of Islam, it was infact a secular sign for the police of the Ottoman empire :)
you tell me, I can tell you that Muhammed and his followers freed 30.000 slaves during his prophethood.
infact alot of scientific facts have been revealed in the Qur'an...
GrimmjowProduction 1 year ago
@montrealwatcher Infact, I base it upon historical facts upon how the political, religious and economic circumstances was for the newborn religion of Islam and its prophet Muhammed (saw) was since some of these things had to happen, you talk bout a verse, with no idea of what it is addresing, and what context its mentioned in. Your leaders invade countries that doesnt agree with their neo capitalistic way of handling economy. USA is reponsible for 1.5 mio iraqi deaths from 1991 to 2003.
GrimmjowProduction 1 year ago
@montrealwatcher Muhammed (Saw)...
there are no contradiction my friend, just you trying to make one up... and the sword verse was during the peace treaty with the Meccans which was couple years after Hihraj, honestly mother fucker, read a fuckin book bout the time in Medina during the Islamic revelation, the sword verse is about meccans, not bout you or other non muslims you asshole... and you would be suprised to find out how mecca turned muslim.
GrimmjowProduction 1 year ago
@GrimmjowProduction Obviously you don't understand your own book to think there are no contradictions. BIGGEST contradiction. "Why are we here?" Because god wanted company. "Why are we sent 503430840039203 messages?" Because god is testing you. "But god knows all" But you don't know which path you'll pick. "But does it matter if I know?" No, because god already knows if ull end up in heaven or hell. "So why is he testing me again?" Because god is being fair. "so what about children who die?"...
MsProudAtheist 1 year ago
@MsProudAtheist ...God will send them straight to heaven..." So how exactly is that fair?" Because god is giving you a chance because he loves you. "So if god created me in a way where I can commit evil, why is that my fault? "Because god is testing you.". It's nothing but contradictions and bullshit stories you retard, what book are you reading?! Beating around the bush and handing out circular arguments don't mean no contradictions, it means constant fuck ups and flaws.
MsProudAtheist 1 year ago
@MsProudAtheist Children who die go straight to heaven.
GrimmjowProduction 1 year ago
@GrimmjowProduction - yes that's a nice little thought isn't it =] as I was stating in my previous message. It's not "fair" when some souls get free tickets into this supposedly beautiful place where we can sit with "wide eyed beauties" who are untouched and yada yada, whilst the rest of the people have to live through it to "prove" themselves to someTHING who already KNOWS where they will end up. Dumbest fairy tale story ever told
MsProudAtheist 1 year ago
@GrimmjowProduction - I already acknowledged that as the common response. To show how it contradicts with the idea of a "fair" god. If a child can die and get a free ticket into this heaven place only to get there and drink with untouched "wide eyed" beauties, then I think everyone else deserves the same free ride rather than living a life being FORCED to prove themselves to something that already knows them inside out. Bullshit story fed by intelligent men who knew how to conquer land & make $
MsProudAtheist 1 year ago
@MsProudAtheist Well dont believe then, but if you wanna take this debate to a serious level, I suggest over the messageboard since there is a character limit of 500...
GrimmjowProduction 1 year ago
@GrimmjowProduction Well I dont believe I am ashamed to say I used to be a muslim and thank fuck I snapped out of it. No I don't need to debate you - because nothing you can say can ever justify a god who thinks its OK for a 40 yr old "role model" to marry not only multiple women, but a little 9 year old also. Your argument of "it was normal back then" wont cut it either, because old moey was meant to be a role model for ALL men and women - not like your average joe. Great role model he was =]
MsProudAtheist 1 year ago
@MsProudAtheist This shows me your completly unknowledgeble about Muhammed, you dont even know the details. And reason for women cant marry more husbands is because they wouldn't know who child is who, and they would be slow to produce children, if many children where needed due to farming etc etc... but come and debate, dont back out of it. Lets debate about Muhammed :)
GrimmjowProduction 1 year ago
@GrimmjowProduction - so youre argument is because a woman would not know which child belongs to who that is why god rips women off ??? LOLLL - ok einstein, how about if your wife is having an affair and falls pregnant by another man. Are you going to know - without dna testing or anything - whether or not that child is yours? And in a world where DNA testing is readily available, are you still arguing this as a valid point? I'm not running away, I'm right here.
MsProudAtheist 1 year ago
@GrimmjowProduction - BTW i love how u ignore the issue of a "role model" hand picked by god marrying a little girl to set a perfectly moral example for all the rest of u blokes.But even in ur argument about farming - not knowing child etc etc, u are basically implying that ur all seeing god could not see that in the 21st Century DNA testing would be available. So basically, the Quran isnt for all ages as it claims & as a result Chinese men are alone becos god forgot they would end up this way.
MsProudAtheist 1 year ago
@MsProudAtheist So God should have allowed women to marry more men, because they also had DNA testing from 600 to 1900 ? Plus DNA testing costs 2000$ some places, and its still not available in every part of the world, your argueing in redundant and stupid... Qur'an is universal, not made for a specific time stupid. Lets move to sending messages if your so intelligent about Islam and im ignorant.
GrimmjowProduction 1 year ago
@GrimmjowProduction - YOU were the one WHO MADE THE ARGUMENT. YOU said "women would not know which child belongs to who". I just summed up what you said and from that came to the conclusion that we should ignore that women CAN KNOW which child belongs to who, especially since in this day and age it is more READILY AVAILABLE, and in another thousand years it would be even MORE easily accessible. EXACTLY. you are arguing the quran is for ALL ages, not just for the ppl of the 6th Century!
MsProudAtheist 1 year ago
Respond to this video... and, you are STILL Ignoring the fact that your beloved role model was having sex with a little girl. I'm still waiting for a PROPER justification of how you can worship a god who is OK with such a disgusting act. Please, stop commenting on my apparent stupidity, answer my question oh intelligent one.
MsProudAtheist 1 year ago
& before you throw the typical muslim line of "a man can only have 4 women if he treats them equal & it's because in times of war women:men ratio is uneven" let me already point out the flaws of those arguments. China now has more men, less women - why didnt the Quran mention it would be ok for women to have 4 husbands in any instant of uneven gender ratio? Something else you cant justify. If mohammed was treating all 4 equally, then guess what, he was sleeping with the 9 yr old. Is that ok ??
MsProudAtheist 1 year ago
@montrealwatcher Again a clear proof of lack of knowledge about the time of the revelation of the Qur'an. Muslims in mecca was percecuted by the polytheists and Muhammed was tried murdered, this is why there was war between the two. It is wrong to force some one to believe in Islam since the qur'an says "there shall be no forcing in the religion". Please read about the autobiography of Muhammed and the time around Islam's revelation before talking like u know something.
GrimmjowProduction 1 year ago
muslims would do anything to proove the quran is true lol. islam is faked religion like muhammed
Navigator20081 1 year ago
@Navigator20081 i am not happy on your ignorance. Prophet Muhammad never said so about Earth. Quran is ethical book not book like bible. Bible is pornographic book full of rapes and incests. Incests between son and mothers, brother and sister,father and daughter, father in law and daughter in law...need to know references in bible? Quran, praise to Allah, is void of all these absurdities.
ok748 1 year ago
@ok748 Mate pointing out the flaws of OTHER books does not make your book ANY MORE REAL - when will you Muslims GET THAT?!?! All religious books are full of shit - you know why? BECAUSE ALL WERE WRITTEN BY MEN - that's right, sad pathetic sex-crazed, money hungry, power hungry men. You talk about incest and rape in Bible, sorry mate but taking that out and replacing it with pedophilia does not make it any better. Hey I know, let's get your 9 yr old daughter to marry my 60 yr old father =] YAY
MsProudAtheist 1 year ago
i don't see my own comment. Any way, there is difference between truth and falsehood. If you want to study truth....Study Quran.
ok748 1 year ago
@montrealwatcher forbidden months are the months of truce that Muhammed had with the Meccans during the war between Medina and Mecca, the pagans are the polyteists of mecca... they claimed to pray to Allah but prayed to various god's around the kaaba. You should really read the 4 verses infront of it or the 3 after it. because they are important for understanding this verse dumbass...
and talk to me as you would have talked to me if I was infront of you, dont talk shit like that.
GrimmjowProduction 1 year ago
@montrealwatcher "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." 9-5 Qur'an. well, if u say this contradict Islam then u have no idea of it or its history, forbidden months is the truce, the pagans are the meccans.
GrimmjowProduction 1 year ago
"so far, no doctor has succeeded in understanding how the eye works" the ignorance of these people amazes me
UjioSatashi 1 year ago
@montrealwatcher Everything in the Qu'ran is true. According to the Qu'ran, if you're a good person, you will go to paradise.
RayKalmNiam 1 year ago
Qur'an 15:19
والارض مددناها والقينا فيها رواسي وانبتنا فيها من كل شئ موزون
And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance.
Qur'an 50:7
والارض مددناها والقينا فيها رواسي وانبتنا فيها من كل زوج بهيج
And the earth we have spread it out, and set thereon mountains standing firm, and produced therein every kind of beautiful growth (in pairs).
halflifeproductionz 1 year ago
Haha! That old guy with the glasses is a fool!
"biologists don't understand the eye"?!? I call bullshit.
"humans have built in bifocals"?!? Pigshit this time.
"The Moon is 1/2 the diameter of the SUN"?!? Shit. Try 1/400th!
"The Sun circles the Earth"?!?! Were you educated 4000 years ago?
"The Sun is smaller than the Earth"?!? Idiot!! According to your numbers The Earth is bigger than Jupiter!
"Anything that has no indication in the Koran is false"
Or *Gasp* the Koran is false! =0
L00NGB00W 1 year ago
@L00NGB00W It is sad but true, this old man is right! lol...
tamentusalamu 1 year ago
surely a discussion with the brightest minds of today
UjioSatashi 1 year ago
Karma & Rebirth is about ACCOUNTABILITY. We are Accountable for our actions.
Karma & Rebirth means that we do not beg & grovel for mercy. We STAND Tall, we hold our head high, we own up to our actions
Karma & Rebirth means there is no place for a Hell, a saddam like sadistic God running a torture chamber
Karma & Rebirth means that we don't go to a retirement home after death. We stay forever young, we are here to work
Karma & Rebirth means we Hindus earn Praise FROM God
ramaraksha01 1 year ago
@chester1080
you waist your time with these retarded backward people?
they are nothing except a BIG mouth they are just the consummers of the western inventions. they have nothing to offer. maybe beans.
they claim their CULT to be fastest growing one? yes by birth DOH!! look at them making 6 to 9 chikdreens and collect checks in the infidels christians countries.
but one day, one but they will be arase drom the sur face of earth. it's just a matter of time.
shalimaar444 1 year ago
NO WONDER THAT NO ARAB PHSICIST GOT THE NOBLE PRIZE!!!
Ni1234ck 1 year ago
@Ni1234ck are you sure?
rkhjd 1 year ago
lol the Quran says both things, just to don't be wrong in case, will suck if the earth would be square uh?
earth egg shaped. [Al-Quran 79:30]
015.019 YUSUFALI: And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet)
pick one as you please :)
MrAlbertoMusica 1 year ago
To all muslim people, we know the earth is not flat because we read quran. THey don't know and simply said quran said earth is flat because they didn't read quran. Simple is it?? :D
arefatx 1 year ago
Simple arithmetic will tell you the world is a spheroid,you don't have to be that smart to not buy in to muslim stupidity
MsPaleMoon 1 year ago
Biggest challenge in the world is to prove no mistakes in the Quran.
This is so funny... World is like a carpet...Aisha was fully grown woman...
"A man can have sex with sheep, cows and camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine."
Khomeini's "Tahrirolvasyleh" fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990
LoL!!!!!
wkuna1 1 year ago
thats a stupid civilian :D this whole thing here has nothing to do with Islam :l
it's written in the Quran that the earth is Spherical :l plz delete this stupid
jinkis4 1 year ago
Look at sarah's 88:20----71:19----13:3----15:19--- 50:6-7 51:48 20:53 43:10
Spread out like a carpet does not mean round, it means FLAT!!!
Allah is wrong!
Wait a minute, Allah can't be wrong.
Allah must be false then.
hogepriestertoet 1 year ago
All verses in the Quran with hints about the shape of earth are consistent.
It is obvious Mohammed believed the earth was flat.
Muslims make illogical translations to try to cover this up.
hogepriestertoet 1 year ago
@hogepriestertoet don't believe this shit! It's written in the Quran is spherical!! i don't know what kind of confrontation is this..i just know that's it's all made up!
jinkis4 1 year ago
This is stupid the one posted this video is an asshole! and tries to spread chaos
MeTaLiXe 1 year ago
old man has long passed his primes. He cant be tought now. so just leave him be :)
0515524847 1 year ago
Wow religion is a mole on the butthole of humanity.
aodonnell51 1 year ago 7
@aodonnell51 why so?
sameem13 1 year ago
@aodonnell51 You should realize that the Qu'ran does not say the Earth is Flat.
RayKalmNiam 1 year ago
@RayKalmNiam earth egg shaped. [Al-Quran 79:30]
015.019 YUSUFALI: And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet)
MrAlbertoMusica 1 year ago
@MrAlbertoMusica Spread out like a carpet =/= mean flat. It simply means that the Earth seems like a carpet.
When Allah talks about the exact shape as the earth, he says that the earth is "egg shaped".
RayKalmNiam 1 year ago
@aodonnell51 if it wasnt for islam u wouldn't be sitting on a mother fuckin computer right now, with out islam there wouldn't have been a renainsance...
GrimmjowProduction 1 year ago
"And after that He has spread out the earth in the egg-shape (for habitability)."
"He (Allah) made the earth egg-shaped."
"And more, He has extended the earth (far and wide also in the shape of an egg)." (Surah Naziat 79:30)
the word dahah which is used in quran, means egg, and a special one: egg ostrich shape, which is exactly like the shape of the earth.
daha means to "shape like an egg", its noun being dahiyah, which the Arabs still use to mean an egg."
Do not fool urself, islam is truth
244681 1 year ago
@244681 Earth is a Perfect Circle, When is the last time you saw an OVAL shaped Globe ? An ostrich's Egg is Oval not Circle, BIG DIFFERENCE.
Saying Earth is an Oval would be equivalent of saying the Equator is twice the size of the Longitude. Not a problem for Retards who think they are all the same, but when you start working with Math, The Radius of Earth would be 60% of the real Radius if Earth was an Oval, not a Perfect Sphere.
So Quran is again proved False since Earth is Circle not Oval.
sesshy34 1 year ago
@244681 But heh, I don't expect you to consider it a Big Difference because you probably don't even know the difference between an Almost Perfect Circle or an Oval, since both would be the same to you.
Saying the Earth would be Oval, would change every SINGLE Mathematical Proof and Measurement taken so far. Not a big difference huh ? If Earth was an Oval instead of an Almost Perfect Sphere, we would have like 15 Hours a day not 24. Of course again, Not a big difference...
sesshy34 1 year ago
@sesshy34 hi
The word dahah which is used in the quran to describe the earth's shape means a special egg, ostrich egg. the ostrich egg has a shape like the shape of the earth, which is spherical.
This man in the video, dont have much knowledge when in comes to science or quran.
sesshy34, check islam for urself, and read quran with an open mind. may god open ur eyes!
244681 1 year ago
@244681 Watch this ----->
watch?v=17jymDn0W6U
And tell me if you still believe if any Living thing called GOD can actually create such a Big Universe...
sesshy34 1 year ago
@sesshy34 I enjoyed it very much.ty. and yes the universe is extremely big,and exceed our imagination. and this video just strengthened my faith in god^^
But i fully, hundred percent believe that god created this universe, and why do i do that? because of the quran. it is a miracle og miracles, it is even a greater miracle than when jesus raised the dead from the grave with gods permission. =>
244681 1 year ago
@sesshy34 And i believe that islam is the truth, and that other religion and atheism is false. i have studied other religion and found out that islam in fact is the only true religion. Firstly, because of the onnes of god. only islam believes in the pure onness of god. secoundly: the quran has not been changed since it was revealed unlike the bibel. and quran has scientific facts, and historical.
In islam we are told, that the universe is a very little creation of god.
=>
244681 1 year ago
@244681 You found out your religion is best because mommy and daddy taught you that from the time you could listen.Studying other religions?Don't compound your foolishness with lies.
MsPaleMoon 1 year ago
@sesshy34 the prophet said in a tradition which is similar to this saying of a muslim scholar;"IF the seven heavens and the seven earths were flattened and laid side by side, they would add up to the size of a ring in a desert,compared to the Kursi" And the kursi the same way to the Arsh.
meaning that there are creation of god which are much greater that this universe,and the universe is nothing compared to them.
This saying proves again that islam believes that the earth is not flat but round
244681 1 year ago
@sesshy34 now i want to ask a same question to u. "Could this universe be created out of nothing"? dont u think that there was some mighty power and mind behind all this?
plzz watch this: /watch?v=93cQPgIz-gM&feature=related
not all the parts are there, but it is very long, almost an hour, but i can assure u that it is very interesting.
244681 1 year ago
@244681 nothing doesn't exist, matter keeps breaking down into smaller and smaller particles and the smaller particles rejoin to form something else...I'm pretty sure a pedophile didn't have anything to do with those particles
asphinxkat 1 year ago
@244681 nothing doesn't exist, matter keeps breaking down into smaller and smaller particles and the smaller particles rejoin to form something else...I'm pretty sure a pedophile didn't have anything to do with those particles but I could be wrong
asphinxkat 1 year ago