Is He the Face of Hate? WARNING: extreme beliefs racial slur

[lonestarpunk]

people like this dont deserve death, they should be made to suffer through an eternal life locked in a brazilian prison.

[MysterEy1]

@lonestarpunk Really? But how do you know about the brazillan prison? Are they terrible?

[lamarridley2]

It's A Joke,A put on...it is not real..it is just to provoke you to attacked.

[thaDOMINANTgenepool]

This isn't even offensive. Listen to this idiot!lol I like good racism. This guy talks like a kid, who just read the turner diaries.(doesn't look like he can read) Not believable at all.sorry

[UGLYROOSTER]

Why is it that he hides his face are you scared ? Hey the klan does the same ,Is there a connection ? yea you are all scared that someone will recognize you .Why is that ? Its because you are ignorant fools.

[mboress]

i sincerly pity this man. must be absolutely horrendous to be in his skin. i have a hard time beleiving that this is for real. this is a joke isn't it?

[lyfesaver9]

who is this clown??...he is truly sad...go kill yourself!

[SonicJMC]

*searches the floor for her jaw*

[tabrismacbeth]

Wait...if hate is love and love is hate...oh my God...do I love vegetables?! And hate Santa Claus?! Are hatemongers lovemongers?! Is Valentine's Day really just a orgy of spite and malice?!

You have turned my world topsy turvy, fucknut that belongs in a mental hospital!

-Tabris

[FuckFaggotsAndDikes]

dude shut the fuck up you outta die along with the rest of these fuckers this man mentions.

[MysterEy1]

Oh he talks a lot about that. but as for actually meaning what he says? he's just extreme talk.

[svrcreep]

I don't agree with what he's saying but I still think it's funny

[MysterEy1]

I know what you mean. i found it all very amuzsing to encounter this freak. It is funny. I mostly laugh at him.

[svrcreep]

so what did you do to him after the interview? are you like a police man or interigator?

[samdewfoo]

i lol'd

[MysterEy1]

One must laugh, even laughing AT him.

[harijsk]

he`s kinda right.

[MysterEy1]

Well kinda right, but overall, isn't it just insane and hateful?

[harijsk]

we`re all hetefull, only some nevere show it, some do...

[joshuapetermorgan2]

what a fucking asshole

[MysterEy1]

Yeah, he is a total a-hole. I think he died after I interviewed him.

[alucard1892]

i don't get it? at the begining of the movie he sais that he is the reason that everything is and then just states everything that he thinks is wrong so ultimatly its his fault that everything is the way it is........loser

[MysterEy1]

He is totally contradicting himself. I tried to figure out what the heck his religious concepts are, but they are too strange!

[redsbleeding2003]

hahahah Jewism what a fuking idiot

[MysterEy1]

Yeah, he refers to it mostly as Jewy-ism.

[dagoodside0727]

WTF IS THAT SHIT

[MysterEy1]

Yeh, one of the most twisted characters I ever interviewed!

[SpamAnn]

you sure are mystery Aiiight :P

You seem to have alot of people irl wich you can intervieuw and with various opinions and thoughts.

[MysterEy1]

I do so many interviews and no one has seen them yet. not enough time or equipment to get them uploaded.

Slowly but surely. Anyhow, I announced on my channel, I'm coming back out and will be "interviewing myself" more often. I mean, vlogging. ;7)

PS did u get that message from UtubiaPresident? You are nominated as the new Agent Against Greed. Is that suitable to you? Or would you rather have another office?

[SpamAnn]

Oh no I did not receive that message hehe:) Agent against Greed sounds good to me! Wich others are there?

[MysterEy1]

I will make a comment on your channel. To let you know all the Agency in our new Intelligence dept. Well, its not new, HoldinCoffee and 4eccentricabby channels have already been in the dept. as Agents.

He is against FEAR and she is against APATHY.

[bphutchins]

lol what an idiot. he's trying so hard to be mysterious and scary that it comes off laughable

[NIGHTMERE07939]

looooooooooooooooooooooooooool wot a complete cunt dis guy is.ow can u guys take dis guy serious he has a paper beard an eye brows looooooool sum of da stuff e says makes me laugh doe

[MysterEy1]

He seemed to be completely serious when we did the interview. But his hairstyle does come into question.

[dectriggs]

you and charlie manson should get together

[bshannon69]

wtf wut a disgusting fuck

[MysterEy1]

yes even though I'm not emotional, I had to fight off the disgust.

[acesino315]

i try to not care to much of thing like this but in all my years (17) i've come to realize that in this world there are only two types of races. The PEOPLE and the much lesser IGNORANTS that shuldnt be here.

[acesino315]

Why is it that only white people do shit like this. I have never seen a black dude or asian or any other skin color do any thing like this. is it that they think they are better or some thing? I know that not all white people are like this tho cuz i have many white friends but can sum one any one please explain to, How is it that PEOPLE CAN BE SO DAMN IGNORANT!?!

[MysterEy1]

Good point.

[RoshTovAri]

rotflmfao

[dlaflskghbbvweqr]

hey everyone! watch the news october 26, 2007. i think you'll all be pleasantly surprised.

[dlaflskghbbvweqr]

WOW! this the greatest video i have ever seen in my life. i am completely awed by what he said. i am going to show this to all my friends!

[blairoaksrulez07]

i hope that white man finds me cuz if he does he wont be able to say this shit no more

[lcmstrailblazer1221]

that man is my worst FUCKING enemy

[SweetnessKisses]

Hm...he sounds like a dumb fuck

[zbotman12]

wtf??? this is bad man!!! what the fuck is wrong with you people??????

[zbotman12]

ok sorry i reads the comment you dont anything to do with this bastard

[BlooDThirstyBaphomet]

this guy is my idol

[iwilltellyouwhy]

you are not God. wrong video to stumble upon. Love = hate?! what logic is this?! so much profanities in there. for your information, Love = Peace, not hate. no killing should be involved. you should know God and fear no one but God.

Love the Lord our God with all your heart, all your mind and all your soul.

[reddyredd]

IBecause I don't know you, Ey1, and I don't know this guy, you understand that I can't make any assumptions. If it's fake, it's very clever. If it's real, well, the only threat is that he gets to vote just like everyone else. If anyone can be persuaded by rants like jews suck 'cause they're all jewey and kikey and uhhhh, you know, kikey, then they were already there in the first place. This could only make an objective person LESS racist, as there is no support for any argument.

[MysterEy1]

Yeah I agree, reddyredd it really appeals to the lowest common denominator. I think he might relate to a fringe group. who brandish an extreme brand of hate. But if he repeats it enough, the masses may be inclined to believe it.

[MysterEy1]

I know he's as real as video gets. Please read comment response below.

[monnie110]

This seems more like a sarcastic approach to hate. A video making fun of haters/racists. I read the comments, I guess the guy is real? Are you sure he isn't just a troll? Someone who tries to get attention by making hate/joke comments even though they may not seriously think what they say?

[MysterEy1]

The guy who is the subject of the video, as far as I can tell is serious about his opinions. Although, his overall view may indeed be to make fun of hate/racism. I feel that he is just an overly intense over the top kind of personality. As for my reason for presenting the video, it is a sarcastic approach to presenting him, as well as testing out the public's open mindedness about discussing hate.

[reddyredd]

He might come after you since you made him look like a GREEN man in this edit! He's white, dammit, and don't you forget it!

[MysterEy1]

hehee, I always do weird editing and colourizing. Check out some of my other videos too.

[MyOddThoughts]

... Kinda ignorant, isn't he?

[MysterEy1]

He sounds rather ignorant AND opinionated.

[mixitup222]

plan and simple "DIE"

[jinkasima]

he forgot to mention hicks and christians.

[ChrisCheloo]

yes he did lol

[MysterEy1]

I think that was part of the footage that wasnt included. But he does cover many groups.

[zbotman12]

lol

[MissPiggy78]

I somehow get the sense that this man was hurt, deeply hurt. I don't know what happened to him but its clear that his feeling extremely sad and hurt under all that anger. His anger is too unfocused and too passionate to just be simple racism. There's a much deeper mystery behind his words. I feel sorry for him.

[MysterEy1]

I know what you mean, MissPiggy. You're probably empathetic in real life, if you can be this perceptive from a video.

[Poppyflower66]

hahah This guy is in fact cateyesTV! Good acting dude.

[Viper1t]

I still do not get this. He is obviously one screwed up moron. Why do you need to give him your "space" ? Plenty of that on utube, judging from many racist remarks I've come across. Not expressing exactly like him but well, a hater.

[MysterEy1]

My channel represents open-minded inquiry, yet a search for the Truth (since there is such a thing). I provide a smart forum, founded upon traditional virtues. This type of video w/ its controversial content is at such odds within the context of several 100 videos on here and my other channels. Rendering it as a study, a detached transcendental look at a frail human weakness... if this "hate" is weakness. Gabeesh?

[SukiSakura]

Horrible.. even if this is fake. Karma on him!

[PeterAppleseed]

SukiSakura: I tend to agree. yet being that its done w/in the context of my channel which may or may not stand for free speech (we're going to determine that) Could you compare it w/ the actor who does it for a big budget movie going out to millions of people. This kind of character is always portrayed (the bad guy) and its rather glamourized. Does that context make it OK? Is the professional, commercialized, pretty face of Hate acceptable b/c it's put out by Hollywood or whatever corporation?

[HoldinCoffee]

At second glance, this was less shocking. And he should NOT be forced to be silent. Folks should be wary of him, but unless he has caused HARM, then no foul. We all have the right to not watch, but he maintains the right to speak...(is 'hate speech' a flagging category?)

[PeterAppleseed]

HoldinCoffee: This may have been flagged (how many times?), I have no idea. There are general categories and this does not fit any of them. "Hate speech" I think refers to the direct hate towards any identifiable individual on YT or anywhere in public. The key is that it has to have an individual target. Someone who can be represented in a court of Law to say that this was inciting hate against them.

[HoldinCoffee]

Good point. Regarding the Court of Law, has the Antidefamation League set precedent that such a speech actually IS harmful to indivuals?...those who's identity is second to their group affiliation. If so, is the harm in the speech or in the act of affiliation? Can group affiliation exist in the same world as FREE SPEECH...or do we have to make a choice? Or fight a war?

[SkaPunkEct]

Inside the mind of a typical republican?

[MysterEy1BestofYT]

Possibly, the more extreme faction of that party. By your statement I have no idea whether you stand for it or against it or just indifferent. Not that it matters, it's up to you :)

[denalynnn]

I raise my hand to give you many "pats on the back for this" WHY? Because I have some religious maniacs leaving me nasty little notes on my channel, I am not there for all that, I make music vids,right now I am doing responses by USING my "freedom of speech or expression", this is what this shows me you are as well doing.cool vid...

[MysterEy1BestofYT]

Thanks I don't know what to say. I think you do understand this on one of the most important levels. In referrence to Youtube, I'm wondering whether it can start a discussion on the unspoken decency/freedom of speech limitations. We need an explicit standard. I'm asking if this is where we draw the line? He is not a hater... or is he a hater?

[Serpent2006]

What the hell...is this guy for real? If he's an actor then how he can say those things? This guy seems to have lost the plot...

[enternetglobal]

Actors sure do say a lot of extreme things don't they. have you seen any movies lately? It's amazing the statements that they make just because it's a movie.

[BestofUtubia]

They do indeed, my faithful co-producer, and this is a movie too, for shock value. He is an individual in the world with these views. You know this type exists. But I think the video makes it quite obvious (by drawing the line) that it is a belief system you don't follow.

[ReluctantRedneck]

Sorry, I don't appreciate this at all. Please remove me from any mailing that includes this kind of crap. Thanks, Tony.

[MysterEy1]

Maybe he is offensive and maybe that is what he intends to do. But if you read the video descript very carefully, he and I mutually agreed to do this. He is not directing his ideas at any one person in particular. If you take offense, then you may be falling for something he wants anyhow. I have 100s of other videos, none of them are like this.. But I do have to prove that I stand for freedom of speech. Unless people can convince me not to do that. There will be a follow-up video.

[SuicideFriendly]

Is this man any different than an Islamic Fundamentalist who would say that he hates Americans and would like to kill as many of them as he possibly could? Would you stand up for his right to speak his beliefs as well?

[MysterEy1BestofYT]

This is the question. If he talks this talk and walks the walk then you can see why people of this kind from all sides are the ones causing conflict and War. Hate is always at the root of any war. A general feeling of hate against the whole human race.

[Clereece]

My first impression is that he is a "sensationalist" and maybe some of that hate has thick roots in him (how else could he stomach such a spew of nonsense?) but I believe that most of that rant is as fake as his eyebrows and goatee. He likes to stir up hate and discontent at the very least ...

[MysterEy1]

its all up for question.

[DaveStuckInOklahoma]

wow...i cant believe this shit is on my bulletins list? wow...

[mija2006]

point blank..I don't believe this sh** is for real.

[MysterEy1]

I don't know if it is either. My direct impression is that he does go through life this way and believes it to some extent. But it could be an act that covers up some major weakness or feeling of inadequacy.

[Furnifur]

I'm going to sound stupid but who is this guy MEy1? I've not heard of him.

[MysterEy1]

His name is like "god" or one of those other specific names for the deity. We agreed not to reveal his channel. Mostly for my behalf, I did not want to seem to be promoting him. Just exposing his ideas to my more intelligent viewers... he's an idiot if he thinks he can gain followers to his beliefs.

[aarozona]

It's very easy to slip into this kind of hate, but it's also very exhausting to keep it up. It renders you crippled because there's nowhere to go with it, and the process of healing is slow.

[MysterEy1]

You're probably right. But if this guy is some kind of actor, he's at least as good as Archie Bunker.

[Poppyflower66]

To quote Southpark,"dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb."

This dude need a serious face lift. : )

[PeterAppleseed]

exactly, one of the main points of the video. To show the face of dumb.

[yorgathecroat]

This guy would last about five seconds in a real debate because he speaks so poorly,as well as his beliefs being totally ridiculous.

[mnoble61]

should have been hung with Sadam.

[lilSkrew4e]

i agree!!

[ImNotOnTheInternet]

That is a good question. Mr.Ey help?

[MysterEy1]

About God not being able to multitask? Well, if the argument is being posed that this individual is NOT God because this individual can't multitask and control weather... that's invalid because theres plenty of evidence that God cannot control the weather. We dont know the extent of God's influence. Its wellknown that the rabbis have debated why do bad things happen to good people? Doesnt God have control to protect them. Regardless, what this man says, may verge on blasphemy for other reasons.

[jen24marie]

to think that I share the space I breathe, the planet I live on, with someone like him, gives me a reeeeeaaallly creepy feeling! Like something ugly & hideous just crept out of that dark closet!

[MysterEy1BestofYT]

he's a disgusting creature. how many are like this deep down inside?? As I conduct the interview, I find that I have to double check myself. As for the "satirical" issue... he's not doing this as a satire of said white supremacist group. He is not a member of any, as far as I know and it is not a reference to such. He claims to be God and he gets the beliefs from his own source.

[aarozona]

Real or satirical, I've known dudes that sounded just like him, oh yeah they're charmers alright.

[MysterEy1]

cf. comment below

[LukeSza]

This is a pretty poor attempt at a satirical jab at White Nationalists and/or Skinheads.

I'm not one of them but still, come on, this is just immature.

[MysterEy1]

Thanks for your opinion. I will let him know to call on you when he needs the expert witness to maturity standards. ;7) BTW how old are you? If it makes any difference.

[MrsAussieBear]

Question; I am a anglican caucasian hetrosexual female. If I converted to Judism, does that mean I become less human? Is this a physical manifestation or merely spritual?

[MysterEy1]

MrsAussieBear: Is this a question for my previous video - the one for the Longest Vlog Ever? If it's not, we could make it that way. It's up to you. ;)

[AVDJ]

what a shame about this guy. i think you could say confirmed hater and you'd be accurate. I agree about free speech, but i wonder why give hate a pulpit? i understand that it is an experiment. I just have a hard time with the negativity. I hope you do a series with super positive people!

[MysterEy1]

AVDJ: I appreciate your feedback. My channel(s) are pulpits for exploring reality. The variety is already there. Now why would i be afraid to confront this kind pf thing head-on? It exists in the world and it's creeping into YT. On the contrary, if there's anywhere you should find this stuff, it's on here, where it is contained and harmless. Also, you should go to my new channel mysterey1bestofyt and find my new compilation lists of super-positive peopple.

[AVDJ]

Thanks, man. I will check it out. You really are a one-man studio.

[MysterEy1]

Oh, did you uncover my 600+ videos and 600+ lost subscribers from Dec. 2?

[parisblonde]

spooky!

[whiteadderextras]

diversify

[MokongX3M]

ok, at the start he claims to be God, then get goes on a massively rascist rant and wants certain "types" of people killed off... but if he is "god" then didn't he create these people in the first place?

[MysterEy1]

MokongX3M: you brought out the point that he claims to be God. Does he sound familiar? You think, maybe he's a spoof of some sort? I'll ask him. I never thought about it until now.

[MokongX3M]

oh yeah, i almost forgot about that other guy... he still make videos?

[MysterEy1]

I don't know. Habven't been to his channel in a few weeks. I had put in a humble request to interview him, along with aarozona, but it has not been completed as of yet. Truly, I don't think he would dare submit to an interview with me. Would you submit to an interview with me? It can be rather grueling and I see through everyone. Yet it's all in a good way, for the good of the subject and the good of the viewers.

[cateyesTV]

i tried...

[lmosack]

this guy makes me sick,you should love one another,no matter what race they are or what religion they practice.if he is god then i'm the pope,& i must destroy him,mmooohhhhhhhh.

[MysterEy1]

Destroy him with words of wisdom. But I warn you, this is a tough nut to crack. It may be impossible! He's a classic... total loser. I know how to locate and capture them!

[1000You2b0001]

This is called Mr.Ey at his radical worst best. Gotta lol. If he is real, this guy is really stupid.

[curt344]

WOW! I wonder how many people will see themselves in any of this. Perhaps those will be the people posting angry responses here...? Just a theory.

[R4GENYC]

this is some crazy shit right here

[PeterAppleseed]

An email asked me, is this guy naked? No, he was wearing a pink thong.

[Lifepeacetruthlove]

I do not like him. Bad man! Go away!

[MysterEy1]

Should this kind of person, these kind of beliefs be allowed on Youtube? They already are. Should it be tolerated in Utubia? I decided to prezent this because I hear an awful lot from people who say various things that if it's added up - should allow or even embrace this kind of individual vlogger. This is supposedly an anarchy of free expression. This is supposedly a site that is used by a majority of people which seek hateful hurtful, stoopid videos.

[11thTangent]

Freedom of speech comes with responsibility. His twisted views should be allowed on utubia or anywhere for that matter. The other side of the coin (opponents to this form of views) is that responsibility (Which you already did actually).

[MysterEy1]

11thTangent: I have to read into this a few times.

[protester]

Yeah, this one ! totally PROTEST. I protest this fool. I can't believe this man's beliefs.

[SlowChocolateAutopsy]

Wow, that's some heavy shit right there. I think some people who just stumble across this video, and who don't know you, will-as they say here in England- "get their knickers in a twist" You're brave for putting it out there fella. And this person has their own channel here on YouTube??! The mind boggles...

[MysterEy1]

Yes, I discovered a real live one. He appears to be a real hater. I don't know. I just can't understand the guy. He seems to be an extremist, yet I don't know if he (or his type) have plans or they just talk their talk?

[sonikalkemy]

hehehehe stir up that bees nest, bzzzzzz, peace man, free expression folks....aint no joke, sometimes we dont like it but thats our choice to fight it, or not.

[MysterEy1]

We're seeing the nasty ugly side of human nature, are we not? Can this set a standard? Can this be used as some sort of litmus test?

[protester]

I know about that, but do you really think that we should allow the expression of this kind of hate? If it must be allowed then we should also have the option of protesting his hatefulness.

[PeterAppleseed]

That's the thing, it's a two-step process or we nip it in the bud and don't allow this kind of expression. What should it be? As the President I want to hear from the People.

[HoldinCoffee]

I am a "LIKER"...I accept people for who they are. I admire those who put themselves out there, even if they happen to be a douche-bag.

[MysterEy1]

Yes, he is putting himself out there and yes, many would way he is being a total douche-bag. But I have been hearing and a made a theory that the majority of the site is actually inhabited by suck ilk, haters who are to some degree or other, similar to this individual.

[HoldinCoffee]

I think Utubia should perfrom a census.. that way we'd know the percentages...and perhaps geographic correlations. Lacking that, I'd say their are just as many douch-bags here as real people...probably less.

PEACE

[HoldinCoffee]

Then again, a war might be kinda nice...

[MysterEy1]

snicker snicker

[BurnsyJones]

wow..I'm real 'impressed' with him

[MysterEy1]

I kinda hate him. But then again I have pity on him. Oh, I'll probably punch him in the head next episode.

[Lifepeacetruthlove]

I don't know if you should do that. Try to make him come to peace and love and harmony. Maybe he can go fly a kite like that video we did or your flyte kiying video. He has a serious problme with life.

[Wohosky]

As a white male, I must say this is absolute bullshit. This dude's point of view is so fucked up I can't even believe what I have heard. It's hard to be a pacifist when the likes of this person abound. Still, he has a right to say what he wants. When he puts his ideals into action is when I will worry. Why is it that more than 80% of recorded serial killers are white?

[MysterEy1]

I'm not sure. I'm just exploring this man's sick mind. I'll let you know where it comes from. It seems to be a superiority complex. Although I believe that probably masks something underneath.

[stormbeforethecalm]

wow, I can see a lil backlash from this. cool video, but people are gonna mis-interpret it, as usual.

[MysterEy1]

Not necessarily, because I have faith that most/all of my viewers are intelligent, mature, and wise - I've been lucky to find the greatest friends. The interviewee can be used to bring about discussion. And the people who don't "get it", they arent taking the time to open their mind to whats being said. I've seen 1,000s of channels and I seldom judge a channel on one video. This video has to be taken in context of my overall purposes. There's a grand design.

[innieg]

Umm i dont understand this vid, can you pls explain it to me. Seriously I dont get it.

[MysterEy1]

This is someone who has problems. Don't be like him in any way. I think that's what it's saying in one sense. As i keep listening to the tapes, I'm trying to see if there is any common ground with him.

[MysterEy1]

I'm exploring something with this "hater". He has his own channel. He wanted more exposure, so he agreed to be interviewed. ON the condition that his words would not be censored. I'm playing the devil's advocate. Yet he doesn't know that I'm not a hater. He assumes that I feel for his cause. That is the way you have to be to understand anyone, to get to their core. Even Scientology teaches the same general principle.

[mysterywalker]

he's a real guy??? heh.  i never would have guessed that. i thought this was a character. i don't actually hate haters, btw. this guy is pretty ridiculous to be real tho. "yes, the hate nigger religion" -- i seriously thought that was some comedic writing

[Poppyflower66]

What Scientology and other psychologies teach is that you actually MUST "feel for his cause". You must "join" with him on *some* level for the healing to occur. Once the link is established the hate can unravel. No good comes from a false alliance. Food for thought.

[MysterEy1]

Poppyflower66: Scientology teaches plainly that you must get to the level of the person you are trying to communicate with. Especially on the emotional, using the same tone. For example when someone is screaming and carrying on, he doesn't recognize a voice that is quiet and telling him its alright, telling him to calm down. You have to mimick his voice and delivery screaming "Everythings okay! Calm the fuck down!" Thats what they teach, its their general manual.

[Poppyflower66]

It sounds like we've both studied this. But I think the concept of *accurate empathy* is crutial.

My understanding is that you truly have to compassionately join w/ someone -at their level- for that moment & evermore for the healing to stick. I believe he shoudn't just "assume" you feel for his cause...you in fact at some level -must- This is the hard part for me whenever I intervene in public (for example). VERY, VERY HARD! best- P

[MysterEy1BestofYT]

Youre cool. I asked him if he was the Grand Pooh Bah. Bah Humbug. And he said he was the Grand Wizard of the Klan. I can't say i was too successful in compassionately bonding with him on his level... but I did succeed at drawing out his deepest darkest secrets. I can do this with anyone. I wonder what I could draw out of you in an interview?

[mysterywalker]

"suspected?" you'll probably lose subscriptions over this one.

[MysterEy1]

mysterywalker: thank you. That would be the typical reaction OR half reaction. Knee jerk reaction. Yet this is much deeper and will take its affect. One clue - how can we be immune to name-calling and hating? THIS IS A REFLECTION OF WHAT IS THE SUPPOSED MAJORITY on this website. And it is not community oriented. Think deeper. Listen to such things without taking it in. Meditate.

[mysterywalker]

Yep yep. I rated it a five, actually. Just sayin'

[PeterAppleseed]

NOTE: orignally the TITLE contained "Suspected Hater" Which is a question emphasizing that we do not exactly have a standard definition for HATER on this website. People do a lot of talking about it, yet I have not see it defined in a conclusive, absolute way. There has been no official standard set. Shall we do that now?