What happened to us the "friendly" Americans? Seeing the engineer wave at 1:02 as he passed by brought on a memory pang; As a kid, I would pedal as fast as I could to get to the tracks whenever I heard the Eastbound whistle just to be able to wave and receive a wave-back from the engineer or extra whistling. I remember we'd tell one another about going to Federal prison if we'd ever got caught with "lucky" flattened pennys as it was proof we'd put coins on the track so we shouldn't show adults.
@daveandtracymurphy What kind of Hudson is she? A J1-A, a J1-B, a J1-E, a Dreyfuss, a J2, a J3? Which one is it? The 2 Hudsons that are running today is a J1-B and some other kind of J1 that has a bell infront. That J1-B's number is 5212. The other Hudson's number is 6088. They run in a miniature version of the New York Central System. It's called "Sonoma Train Town Railroad." The 5212 was built in 1938. The 6088 was built in 2009. But they look alike.
I bought this video, and enjoyed the actual Hudson sequences very much; they are worth the price. But the narration does not match the action AT ALL, and the whole thing is so disjointed and jumbled that it is hard to watch, especially with someone who does not know what they are seeing. Very poor edit job, Sunday River. Kurt.
@HaloCE14 yeah thats a good idea they should definitely do that i hope they do soon before she rusts away which is sad, they should have a barn for her to be in away from the elements.
@HaloCE14 aw man i should have knew she wasn't running because of the lack of money, but yep thats where shes at right next to the NS main lines going into the yard.
Nice Video, I'm wondering if it's worth getting, the sounds in this recording don't seem to always fit in with the shot, I'm guessing some of it is dubed in? I'm looking for pure NYC sound... No dubs.. Looking into HR's NYC series as well But It's Shot In Ohio, Rather far from where i live on the NYC's old "West Shore line", Or CSX's Riverline now adays... And NYC's CMB.
Its sad there are no Hudsons left but I do know this guy in Indiana who has a 4-8-2 Mohawk #3001 its in pretty good condition but it has been sitting outside for years though
I have been reading down. It is a crime that no NYC Hudson lives today. Having said that there is talk that a Mohawk or Niagra could be pressed into service. Here's where I become torn. I like to see steam in operation but the record shows that when something bad happens the locomotive can be out of service for years or even for ever. There are lots of examples but one has to look no further than the Pennsy 1361. As we are wishing let's keep in mind the realities. Watch what we wish for.
If the drawings still exist mabye you could all get together and build a brand new one. The British did it with the Tornado. I think they are talking about building a second engine too.
A good idea in theory, but the business of running excursion locomotives is different in the UK than in the USA. Even if a group were to succeed in building a new Hudson, where would it run?
@dcoursey82 It could be sold to a railroad, would give the builders money and the railroad a source of excursion revenue and publicity, although locomotives are less respected here than in Britain, so...
@dcoursey82 One good answer: nationalize the railroads like everybody else, and run some decent, frequent, and modern passenger rail while we're at it, too.
Then it would work out great if private investors wanted to invest in a new NYC Hudson. I'd pay to ride it. God they're beautiful. Why is our country so backwards when it comes to transportation?
@dcoursey82 possibly on old former New York Central Tracks? The idea wolud be brilliant because America only has a few steam locomotives that still work and we need alot more
@legotrainstudio13 ...again, good in theory, but in reality it simply is not realistic. Most if not all of the former NYC trackage now belongs to either CSX or NS who have a very strict policy of not allowing steam locomotives to run on their own power on the mainline. People need to educate themselves on all the technical hurdles involved in running a steam engine instead of thinking "I would like for one to run, therefore it should happen."
@dcoursey82 Do you know why CSX and NS no longer allow steamers on their mainlines? That's saddening. Back in the 80s we had the Chessie 614, N&W 611, and the NKP 765 running around the U.S.
@ACLTony ..People tend to think that CSX and NS's policies are made almost out of spite, and without any kind of sound reasoning behind it, but what it boils down to is that they are both businesses that are out to make MONEY...they have to sustain themselves somehow. Suppose CSX allowed a steamer to operate on its tracks....not only does it hold up other revenue runs, but it also attracts hordes of people following the train around, crowding around grade crossings to take pictures, and even
standing on the tracks as the train approaches. It's all very dangerous, and if an accident were to happen, who is liable? CSX. It just doesn't make sense from a business perspective to risk so much. In reality, CSX and NS are blameless...the problem is sympathetic juries and lawsuit happy miscreants.
@dcoursey82 I understand. My point stems from CSX and NS's ancestors (SCL & N&W) welcoming the steamers in conjunction with Operation Life Saver back in the 80s. I worked on the 614's train. Super experience. Plus the railroads got a tax break for running those excursions. You're right. Since then our society has become more lawsuit happy then ever. Plus the 1960s era CEOs and managers that were around in the 80s that were partial to steamers are retired and/or deceased.
@dcoursey82 How is a steamer holding up revenue service? If the steamer is pulling a train, it is revenue service. I can't see a problem with people wanting to see steam locomotives in action. It happens and I have not heard of anyone getting hit. People act stupid around diesels and electrics as well.
@Jemalacane Think of it this way...suppose I came to you, and asked if I could throw a party in your backyard. You hesitate because you work at home and your backyard is the main area you use to do your job, and thus generate income for yourself. Someone holding a party in your backyard would mean less hours for your to do your job, and less money in a typical work day. Even if I charged you a fee for its use, it still wouldn't offset the loss I'd get from losing part of a days work.
@Jemalacane Think of it this way...suppose I came to you, and asked if I could throw a party in your backyard. You hesitate because you work at home and your backyard is the main area you use to do your job, and thus generate income for yourself. Someone holding a party in your backyard would mean less hours for your to do your job, and less money in a typical work day. Even if I charged you a fee for its use, it still wouldn't offset the loss I'd get from losing part of a days work.
...This is essentially the situation you have with Steam Operators and Class 1 railroads today. No steam excursion can be considered a revenue run because it's not generating revenue for the host railroad. Any profits made (If Profits are made) on the excursion goes to the event organizers. Sure, they could charge a fee for use of the line, but railroads like CSX and NS make way more money in a days worth of revenue runs than any steam excursion could.
I've heard that the roads' main problem is the cost of liability insurance. For one thing, big, high pressure steam boilers have been known to go "boom" even in the days when there were lots of knowledgeable inspectors and maintainers.
Steamers have to carry their own spare parts and special tools, since they can't expect to find them "out there."
Water tanks are gone, and steamers need frequent fills.
@dcoursey82: Ever hear of Public Relations? CSX nad NS may run ads on Fox and elsewhere but those are strictly exercises in raising stock values. Public image and Marketing requires and effort on the part of the corporation.
Keep playing at those casinos and buying those lottery tickets! Wish you all the best in raising interest in preserving the two NYC steam locomotives in Maine.
The L-3a NYC Mohawk, #3001, that resides at the NYC Museum in Elkhart, IN stands the best chance of any restoration to running condition. Of course, this takes lots of money. I was told at least a million bucks by a museum official at Elkhart. Hard to justify in today's rough economic times. Nontheless, it'd be a great engine to restore as it did freight AND passenger service including pulling the "Central's" famed 20th Century Limited on occasion.
I like Alfred Perlman. He did good things for his railroad. But he did not do the best job picking engines for preservation. The single Mohawk saved would have been very well accompianied by a Niagra and a Hudson. (sigh)
That one Mohawk, an L-2, the NYC donated for preservation was saved only because of some Selkirk shops employees who hid the engine from local management by literally piling boxes around it. When it was discovered in the early 60's the "Central" had no choice but to save it as it would have been, as was once said, "a public relations disaster" if it had done otherwise. Perlman was in no way interested in preserving NYC steam engines as he was in saving the "Central" itself in the 1950's.
I can't believe the streamlined Hudson didn't 'make the cut' for preservation. What a beautiful locomotive, and an equally beautiful streamlined consist. I wish there were trains like this again on the rails.
Photographic proof that the USA is in decline. Thousands of people transported in style and speed without burning 1 drop of oil. All the money circulated by RR customers stayed right here in the USA.
Lets face it, 126 down hill with only 7 cars isn't that difficult. With the same load and gradient an N.Y.C Hudson should have breezed it. Un offcially a Merchant Navy class surpassed 126 down hill and took it to 130 on the flat with 14 coaches.
It is so very awful that the New York Central couldn't save some hudsons or the niagara's, but 3 locomotives survive from being scraped which are 2 mohawks and the famous #999.
I agree. They were some of the most remarkable steam engines in the whole world - an amazing record of speed, reliability, maintainance.
If only that J Class wasn't hidden away in Roanoke or somewhere. Chapelon's steam masterpiece was quickly cut up - an 'embarassment' ... it was easily outperforming the ELECTRIC traction that had just "superceded' steam & diesel!
It's the nostalgia of 'what ifs'. We all love.... "what if the little team had beaten the big team?" :-)
@Driverman2008 Yeah. But at least we now have new miniature replicas of them. They make good replacements for them. They bring it all back. The 15 gauge ones especially bring it all back. :)
What happened to us the "friendly" Americans? Seeing the engineer wave at 1:02 as he passed by brought on a memory pang; As a kid, I would pedal as fast as I could to get to the tracks whenever I heard the Eastbound whistle just to be able to wave and receive a wave-back from the engineer or extra whistling. I remember we'd tell one another about going to Federal prison if we'd ever got caught with "lucky" flattened pennys as it was proof we'd put coins on the track so we shouldn't show adults.
briquetaverne 2 months ago
The great moments of our technical history....
fcentaur 2 months ago in playlist More videos from dcoursey82
Do these clips take place on what's now know as the MNRR Hudson Line?
TEMPLE7D 3 months ago
@TEMPLE7D I looks like it is the Hudson Line.
mgrande11 2 months ago
J1-B Hudsons are my favorites.
Dinosorable 4 months ago in playlist New York Central
This has been flagged as spam show
@daveandtracymurphy What kind of Hudson is she? A J1-A, a J1-B, a J1-E, a Dreyfuss, a J2, a J3? Which one is it? The 2 Hudsons that are running today is a J1-B and some other kind of J1 that has a bell infront. That J1-B's number is 5212. The other Hudson's number is 6088. They run in a miniature version of the New York Central System. It's called "Sonoma Train Town Railroad." The 5212 was built in 1938. The 6088 was built in 2009. But they look alike.
Dinosorable 4 months ago in playlist New York Central
@BossNigger4 There's one Mohawk left in a museum. They say it might run again in the future.
Dinosorable 4 months ago in playlist New York Central
WOW!!!! Today's trains lack a lot compared to these!! Thank you for sharing!!
stationmaster12 5 months ago
These Hudsons look great.
sambear0 7 months ago
It really sucks they scrapped most of all the nyc steam engines especialy the dreyfuss and empire state really sad :(
xtnt316x 7 months ago
Comment removed
Dinosorable 8 months ago
Comment removed
Dinosorable 8 months ago
@Dinosorable you know your shit.
BossNigger4 8 months ago
My favorite Hudson is the 5212 at Sonoma Train Town Railroad. She's cute and beautiful and even has a Hudson whistle! And she survived!
Dinosorable 10 months ago
Great video, I love the scene at :59
SD457500 1 year ago
@HaloCE14 you are aware that Tornado took 13 years to build, at a cost of over 15 million dollars US?
Soundwave3591 1 year ago
im more of a D&H guy there really werent any bad grades on the NYC,(besides the B&A)but man that is pretty cool!
shininghappyperson7 1 year ago
I bought this video, and enjoyed the actual Hudson sequences very much; they are worth the price. But the narration does not match the action AT ALL, and the whole thing is so disjointed and jumbled that it is hard to watch, especially with someone who does not know what they are seeing. Very poor edit job, Sunday River. Kurt.
kurtarmbruster 1 year ago
@HaloCE14 lol yeah , they have that E9 and her coaches they are in good condition, and yeah all the display is just rusting away.
The3751FAN 1 year ago
@HaloCE14 yeah thats a good idea they should definitely do that i hope they do soon before she rusts away which is sad, they should have a barn for her to be in away from the elements.
The3751FAN 1 year ago
@HaloCE14 aw man i should have knew she wasn't running because of the lack of money, but yep thats where shes at right next to the NS main lines going into the yard.
The3751FAN 1 year ago
the dreyfruss hudson is the best one of all the hudsons.
trainman551 1 year ago
Nice Video, I'm wondering if it's worth getting, the sounds in this recording don't seem to always fit in with the shot, I'm guessing some of it is dubed in? I'm looking for pure NYC sound... No dubs.. Looking into HR's NYC series as well But It's Shot In Ohio, Rather far from where i live on the NYC's old "West Shore line", Or CSX's Riverline now adays... And NYC's CMB.
mountainlova1009 1 year ago
Its sad there are no Hudsons left but I do know this guy in Indiana who has a 4-8-2 Mohawk #3001 its in pretty good condition but it has been sitting outside for years though
The3751FAN 1 year ago
love this vid long gone nyc hudsons we will miss them all
celman11 2 years ago
I have been reading down. It is a crime that no NYC Hudson lives today. Having said that there is talk that a Mohawk or Niagra could be pressed into service. Here's where I become torn. I like to see steam in operation but the record shows that when something bad happens the locomotive can be out of service for years or even for ever. There are lots of examples but one has to look no further than the Pennsy 1361. As we are wishing let's keep in mind the realities. Watch what we wish for.
Bill0254 2 years ago
HaloCE14 wrote:
"...none of these engines survive sadly"
If the drawings still exist mabye you could all get together and build a brand new one. The British did it with the Tornado. I think they are talking about building a second engine too.
TheDepotCat 2 years ago
A good idea in theory, but the business of running excursion locomotives is different in the UK than in the USA. Even if a group were to succeed in building a new Hudson, where would it run?
dcoursey82 2 years ago
@dcoursey82 It could be sold to a railroad, would give the builders money and the railroad a source of excursion revenue and publicity, although locomotives are less respected here than in Britain, so...
superyerfdog 2 years ago
@dcoursey82 One good answer: nationalize the railroads like everybody else, and run some decent, frequent, and modern passenger rail while we're at it, too.
Then it would work out great if private investors wanted to invest in a new NYC Hudson. I'd pay to ride it. God they're beautiful. Why is our country so backwards when it comes to transportation?
Trainzcool 1 year ago
@Trainzcool Britain denationalized their railways recently. Also, the less government interference, the better.
superyerfdog 1 year ago
@dcoursey82 possibly on old former New York Central Tracks? The idea wolud be brilliant because America only has a few steam locomotives that still work and we need alot more
legotrainstudio13 1 year ago
@legotrainstudio13 ...again, good in theory, but in reality it simply is not realistic. Most if not all of the former NYC trackage now belongs to either CSX or NS who have a very strict policy of not allowing steam locomotives to run on their own power on the mainline. People need to educate themselves on all the technical hurdles involved in running a steam engine instead of thinking "I would like for one to run, therefore it should happen."
dcoursey82 1 year ago
@dcoursey82 Do you know why CSX and NS no longer allow steamers on their mainlines? That's saddening. Back in the 80s we had the Chessie 614, N&W 611, and the NKP 765 running around the U.S.
ACLTony 1 year ago
@ACLTony ..People tend to think that CSX and NS's policies are made almost out of spite, and without any kind of sound reasoning behind it, but what it boils down to is that they are both businesses that are out to make MONEY...they have to sustain themselves somehow. Suppose CSX allowed a steamer to operate on its tracks....not only does it hold up other revenue runs, but it also attracts hordes of people following the train around, crowding around grade crossings to take pictures, and even
dcoursey82 1 year ago
standing on the tracks as the train approaches. It's all very dangerous, and if an accident were to happen, who is liable? CSX. It just doesn't make sense from a business perspective to risk so much. In reality, CSX and NS are blameless...the problem is sympathetic juries and lawsuit happy miscreants.
dcoursey82 1 year ago
@dcoursey82 I understand. My point stems from CSX and NS's ancestors (SCL & N&W) welcoming the steamers in conjunction with Operation Life Saver back in the 80s. I worked on the 614's train. Super experience. Plus the railroads got a tax break for running those excursions. You're right. Since then our society has become more lawsuit happy then ever. Plus the 1960s era CEOs and managers that were around in the 80s that were partial to steamers are retired and/or deceased.
ACLTony 1 year ago
@dcoursey82 How is a steamer holding up revenue service? If the steamer is pulling a train, it is revenue service. I can't see a problem with people wanting to see steam locomotives in action. It happens and I have not heard of anyone getting hit. People act stupid around diesels and electrics as well.
Jemalacane 1 year ago
@Jemalacane Think of it this way...suppose I came to you, and asked if I could throw a party in your backyard. You hesitate because you work at home and your backyard is the main area you use to do your job, and thus generate income for yourself. Someone holding a party in your backyard would mean less hours for your to do your job, and less money in a typical work day. Even if I charged you a fee for its use, it still wouldn't offset the loss I'd get from losing part of a days work.
dcoursey82 1 year ago
@Jemalacane Think of it this way...suppose I came to you, and asked if I could throw a party in your backyard. You hesitate because you work at home and your backyard is the main area you use to do your job, and thus generate income for yourself. Someone holding a party in your backyard would mean less hours for your to do your job, and less money in a typical work day. Even if I charged you a fee for its use, it still wouldn't offset the loss I'd get from losing part of a days work.
dcoursey82 1 year ago
...This is essentially the situation you have with Steam Operators and Class 1 railroads today. No steam excursion can be considered a revenue run because it's not generating revenue for the host railroad. Any profits made (If Profits are made) on the excursion goes to the event organizers. Sure, they could charge a fee for use of the line, but railroads like CSX and NS make way more money in a days worth of revenue runs than any steam excursion could.
dcoursey82 1 year ago
@dcoursey82
I've heard that the roads' main problem is the cost of liability insurance. For one thing, big, high pressure steam boilers have been known to go "boom" even in the days when there were lots of knowledgeable inspectors and maintainers.
Steamers have to carry their own spare parts and special tools, since they can't expect to find them "out there."
Water tanks are gone, and steamers need frequent fills.
woodscritter 1 year ago
@dcoursey82: Ever hear of Public Relations? CSX nad NS may run ads on Fox and elsewhere but those are strictly exercises in raising stock values. Public image and Marketing requires and effort on the part of the corporation.
paullubliner 1 year ago
Keep playing at those casinos and buying those lottery tickets! Wish you all the best in raising interest in preserving the two NYC steam locomotives in Maine.
hudson501 2 years ago
What year were those taken in?
TrainSounds 2 years ago
The L-3a NYC Mohawk, #3001, that resides at the NYC Museum in Elkhart, IN stands the best chance of any restoration to running condition. Of course, this takes lots of money. I was told at least a million bucks by a museum official at Elkhart. Hard to justify in today's rough economic times. Nontheless, it'd be a great engine to restore as it did freight AND passenger service including pulling the "Central's" famed 20th Century Limited on occasion.
hudson501 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
wow that was awsome !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i loved it
shininghappyperson7 2 years ago
I like Alfred Perlman. He did good things for his railroad. But he did not do the best job picking engines for preservation. The single Mohawk saved would have been very well accompianied by a Niagra and a Hudson. (sigh)
tropicalfishswim 2 years ago
That one Mohawk, an L-2, the NYC donated for preservation was saved only because of some Selkirk shops employees who hid the engine from local management by literally piling boxes around it. When it was discovered in the early 60's the "Central" had no choice but to save it as it would have been, as was once said, "a public relations disaster" if it had done otherwise. Perlman was in no way interested in preserving NYC steam engines as he was in saving the "Central" itself in the 1950's.
hudson501 2 years ago
Sadly no Hudsons survived into preservation but I wish they preserved at least 1.
sonicxthomasexpert 2 years ago
I can't believe the streamlined Hudson didn't 'make the cut' for preservation. What a beautiful locomotive, and an equally beautiful streamlined consist. I wish there were trains like this again on the rails.
musthavejava 2 years ago
Well....there is a Chesapeake and Ohio hudson at the B&O train museum in downtown Baltimore, MD. It isn't the same as the NYC though
abrownyo 2 years ago
I was talking about the NYC Hudsons.
sonicxthomasexpert 2 years ago
Ya I kinda figured nothing can compare to them
abrownyo 2 years ago
Holy shit. That streamlined Hudson is sick. I want to see steam on the Hudson Line.
mplayer98 2 years ago
A lot of this old film footage has dubed in sound after the fact. You can tell on most of these. Nice footage though.
kenrinc 2 years ago
Beautiful... on 0:37, that's a Pacific, (a K3-something???) not a Hudson.
limosalimosa 2 years ago
Photographic proof that the USA is in decline. Thousands of people transported in style and speed without burning 1 drop of oil. All the money circulated by RR customers stayed right here in the USA.
chaz1854 2 years ago 7
@chaz1854 hey dude, coal is a fossil fuel, and many steam locomotives run on oil anyway
packr72 4 weeks ago
Great vid, esp. like the shot coming out of the tunnel.
The PRR may have been the Standard RR of the World, but the NYC had class and the Water Level Route = Fast trains
heartlandrails 2 years ago
It's too bad the sound is off.
Railfan59 2 years ago
I'm gonna say what everyone else is thinking...
Diesels suck.
Plisken1986 3 years ago 26
Who's thinking that?
Trainfanatic192 2 years ago
Beautiful! The J-Class Hudsons were works of art. Thank you for posting :)
ACLTony 3 years ago
Great footage and never seen it before.The 20th Century Limited was known all the World and even here Down Under.
Find some more footage and post it !!!
Well done.
ufn489 3 years ago
Other than the PRR K4s, this is my other passion !
prr1361 3 years ago
BEUATIFUL
railmogul2 3 years ago
Sad that NYC didn't even save one of these. The Hudson was a contender for World's Fastest Steam Train.
Plisken1986 3 years ago 2
Lets face it, 126 down hill with only 7 cars isn't that difficult. With the same load and gradient an N.Y.C Hudson should have breezed it. Un offcially a Merchant Navy class surpassed 126 down hill and took it to 130 on the flat with 14 coaches.
baldgit646 3 years ago
It is so very awful that the New York Central couldn't save some hudsons or the niagara's, but 3 locomotives survive from being scraped which are 2 mohawks and the famous #999.
NYCRailroad 3 years ago 2
NYC should have saved at least 1 hudson. But no they had to scrap all of them for no reason.
trainkids 3 years ago
Sure, they needed the money and the president felt that there was no reason to save anything. We are lucky we have the two Mohawks around.
prr1361 3 years ago
Where can we see the Mohawks?
55westend 2 years ago
I think one is in the Henry Ford museum in Indiana??? I think thats and L-2 and the L-3a is in Elkhart. GO SEE THEM !!!
prr1361 2 years ago
the Dreyfuss Hudson(the streamlined ones) look dam good in color and they have great whistles
MilwaukeeRoad261 3 years ago
It's so sad that the New York Central didn't even try to save ONE Hudson.:(
Driverman2008 3 years ago 32
@Driverman2008
I agree. They were some of the most remarkable steam engines in the whole world - an amazing record of speed, reliability, maintainance.
If only that J Class wasn't hidden away in Roanoke or somewhere. Chapelon's steam masterpiece was quickly cut up - an 'embarassment' ... it was easily outperforming the ELECTRIC traction that had just "superceded' steam & diesel!
It's the nostalgia of 'what ifs'. We all love.... "what if the little team had beaten the big team?" :-)
HughFromAlice 1 year ago
@Driverman2008 But there are other Hudsons around. Besides, there's also miniature replicas of NYC Hudsons that you can ride on.
Dinosorable 10 months ago
@Driverman2008 all in the name of progress :/
chico4449 9 months ago
@Driverman2008 - but one Mohawk is saved in St Louis. :)
ConrailSD70MAC 9 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@Driverman2008 Yeah. But at least we now have new miniature replicas of them. They make good replacements for them. They bring it all back. The 15 gauge ones especially bring it all back. :)
Dinosorable 4 months ago in playlist New York Central
Awesome video! Amazing quality!
Driverman2008 3 years ago
Great to see my all time favorite engines running!
NCStL576 3 years ago
Awesome. Just simply awesome.
eal2119 3 years ago