best not to argue or act clever with the very people you are making videos about. we know more then you. you know little about Somalia, you probably know even less about west africa where your ancestors are from haha. I have a habit of always hitting several nails right on the head. please don't start. of course you are American and not west African, like you mentioned. good. bye.
to be honest this video does not make any sense. being a Somali when I first saw the title and watched the video, it was amusing but does not make sense. I would take it down if I were you. We are not white, of course we are not. we are just cushitic people of north east africa, we don't understand or appreciate these strange titles that black americans and europeans like to label us.
@Bountylicious I never labeled Somalians anything other than East African Cushitic, with also in Southern Somalia they speak Bantu Swahili but nevertheless I never said they were West African in origin.
They share common ancestry with West Africans, but they are not West Africans. This title does not pertain to you, it pertains to the Euro's claiming you as being white or descending from European stock. Somalians are African in origin.
@davidcici11 Another things that is incorrect. There is no such noun as "somalian", it is Somali. if you knew anything you should know that. Southern Somalis do not speak bantu/swahili. lol. only some African travelers/bantu. not ethnics. Europeans actually think that we are a lost tribe of Europe, the french announced this in their own parliament in the 1800s. we are just Muslim, Somali Cushitic. we don't want to be labeled same as West Africans or Europeans, only other north/east Africans.
@Bountylicious I am a American, my native language is English which derivative of Latin.
Greeks called people from Kemet Egyptians. Which is not the original name for them or Nubia which originally another Greek derivative of the original name. The reason put the "ans" at the end of Somali because as a American I am used to putting that after the name of an ethnic group.
Swahill is spoken in Southern Somalia if it is not then I must be talking to a mule.
@davidcici11 I still don't see your point, or why you are calling Somali people "somalians".no such noun. Please don't act clever with me. My country Somalia, anywhere in the country, the bantu language swahili is not spoken, only by Bantu people, or Somalis from Kenya/Tanzania Bantu countries. lol. Our language is Somali second is Arabic. You wouldn't know a clue about these things, yet you make videos about my Cushitic people. best to stick to what you know.
@Bountylicious perhaps you should update the and do research of the languages spoken in your nation.
As a American their is only a few language besides English that are spoken in this country all three are Latin (English:Primary Spanish and French Secondary languages).
You will have that a lot in many countries with diverse ethnic backgrounds. Of course there are many more but those are the most common.
In Southern Somalia it is Bantu Swahilli or am I lying? Because I know I am not.
@davidcici11 I don't see why you are still talking like you know my country and people. Swahili is spoken by many people in africa, it's a bantu language. Somalia we speak cushitic and afro asiaitic language Somalia and Arabic. however there are some bantus in somalia who may speak it, or Somalis from bantu countries. this is like maybe a few hundred people. there are like 11 million people in Somalia. I know more about my country then you ever could. stick to what you know like I said.
@Bountylicious if you know so much about your own language then it confuses me why you didn't know there are Bantu Swahilli speakers in Somalia. I mean its not hard to know this if you just google it lol
@davidcici11 are you that stupid. I don't have to google about my country to know anything. We Somalis know all about our country unlike many others.we have 6 Somali satelite channels, thousands of websites, not too mention we discuss/follow/share everything constantly. it's how we are. Swahili is not a prevalent language in Somalia, like I said so many times, the very few bantus in southern somalia there speak it, or some Somali people from bantu countries. lets drop this.
@Bountylicious you must live in a bubble in a small section of Somalia then. I guess countless of people who collected Anthropological data their are always idiots. Let me guess they mistaken Bantu Swahilli for Spanish?
@davidcici11 mate you don't know nothing about my country. an idiot calls us "somalians". we don't speak bantu languages, only small minority in somalia, that were brought as slaves from bantu countries. that's how they got there. I would advise you to stop talking nonsense to me. I don't even know you posted a video about cushitic people, perhaps you should just concentrate on your ancestors in west africa. typical black american,you're all the same.
That's like me differing E1 from other various clades of E1 or E2. Their different subclades the most earlest of the E branch, but they share more relation to each other then lets say anything that comes off the M89 Branch, I wouldn't say E1 and E2 are closely connected to haplogroup R, and many Euro's would hate that sense these basal lineages show up in South and East Africa among Bantu speakers.
And E1 which shows up in Mali. Stop trying to place one far from the other
I did not say that West and East Africans are not related, we are just like all different races of this world. We are just not the same race or people.
@Bountylicious Sorry to break it to ya but their is no such thing as a pure race, or a pure racial group. Their is biological African and their is biological non-Africans, the other half descending from the other
I would advise you before the truth makes you go crazy. Mix with the black side of your family, and not the Somali side, and be more concerned about them not us. American lunatic.
Quote from Noted American Scientist : "The difference between East and West Africa is like the difference between Asia and Europe"
One Small Village in Africa has more Genetic diversity then all of Eurasia, like Askari told you and most people know. Give up, you cannot change facts however much you try. Africa is not one big family, never has and probably never will be.
Somalis have the genes of the half the world in very small amounts. The MTDNA M1 which makes up almost 50%, runs throughout Eurasia, and is though to have started in Asia, though could have been Africa too. the point is not that we are mixed, but our people traveled a lot built great civilizations and then many back migrated...ie, Egypt, Mesopotamia, Tunisia etc....Yet Somalis are Y DNA 80% Hamitic E1b1b1 (m35), which makes us very indigenous to Africa. get educated and quit wasting my time.
Who cares who is labeled as "Caucasoid" = bogus term. Ethiopians, Somalis, Nubians, Dinka, Maasai, Tutsi, etc were ALL labled as "Caucasoid" or "Hamitic."
What is the homeland of "Caucasoids"?
What was the language of invading "Caucasoids"
What are Gene markers of "Caucasoids"?
Why do you let people beat you over the head using these old terms? Why do people like you always make arguments based on non-scientific sources and terms no longer in use? Your argument belongs in 1909 not 2012
Also bounty that is the basis of "hamitic theory" it claims Eafricans are whites who back migrated from europe and brought "light to the dark contient". So when you claim "hamitic" theory you are saying east/north africans aren't natives.
PS if Somalis are "meditid" why don't they look like other people from around the Mediterranean? Like greeks' romans and people from the middle east. Do you even know what migration does to culture and gentics their is no proof that Somalis never left Africa.
@yungpar3 GENETIC DIVERSITY IS NOT GENETIC DISTANCE. Africans and Non-Africans have genetic distance but Africans have diveristy. Think of a tree and each branch is a haplo group (A,B&E) and each twig and leaf an sub group(e1b1a&e1b1b) that is diversity and distance is another tree altogther.
Another example majority of Africa is clade E but E has many differen't subgroups which are different that means E is diverse because of the differences. E and J have distance you understand?
@yungpar3 ....Need I remind you Africa is the oldest continent in the world, and cradle of humanity. It is also the most GENETICALLY DIVERSE continent in the world. dont compare. Sure everyone in the world has same common ancestry. But you are being overly desperate as per usual. SOMALIS ARE NOT THE SAME AS BLACK AFRICANS. lmao. we have not got the same genes obviously. Any educated person will agree with me, Like Askari told you. and no you are definitely not more intelligent then me.
@Bountylicious lol I guess denial isn't only a river in Egypt. Somalis never left Africa you twat we originated in Egypt with every other clade of E and we went south. Not north our culture reflects that. the somali languge is native to Africa and our culture was very similar to other african cultures before the rise of islam in Africa.
PS somalis do share the same fucking genes with other Africans we a recent reletives to each other with in the last 20k yrs.
@yungpar3 Africa is unique in that our genetic diversity can me misunderstood as distance. Scientists speculate that this tremendous diversity proves the origin of humanity in Africa.
Think of it like this. Africa is the big pot of genes that all Humans come from. Eurasia is a spoon from this pot.
Groups like us Somalis are similar to those Africans that left the continent to sire so called Caucasian looking Asians and Europeans. This is why we resemble each other!
@AskariWaryaa what you said is very true but I think people like bounty confuse diversity with distance, she thinks because somebody looks like you then they are your most related group which isn't the case. Africa is diverse in gentics but being diverse isn't being distanst like your cousin my look different from you but he more related to you then a person from another country who looks just like you.
I really appreciate talking to a fellow somali only who isn't like bounty
@yungpar3 Yes indeed, genetic diversity and difference does not mean distance. It just means having diverse, and funnily enough superior genes. As diversity = good!!
I think us East Africans are not only fast, but we have high endurance, we can run for long long distances.
West Africans are can run short distances much faster than us however. Something to do with fast twitch muscles. But these are just general stereotypes with some elements of truth. We are after all as Africans very diverse in our abilities.
@AskariWaryaa oh I know tha i'm somali. I claim my fathers ancestry, heritage and I consider my ethnicty Somali. Lol I have a big Somali flag in my house on the wall.
I even look Somali, most of my dad's family and friends who vist America from Africa they think im full Somali. But i'm very proud of both my heritages and but I consider my African above all.
PS yea I know they are called Awrtable but I couldn't type it because Im still learning how to read and write in somali.
@yungpar3 okay lets agree to disagree. I know that Somalis are related to other Africans, ie N/e Africans. duh that would make sense. we are also related to north africans more then we would be to wet africans. Im not sure why I have to say these well known facts over again. its really not a big deal. There are facts and then there is wishful thinking, and you a prone to the latter. Embrace your african american people, and leave our people to us. you are only half remember that.
@yungpar3 Also Somalis are only close to other people in e1b1b and it sub groups but once you come out of e1b1b you have say hello to the rest of Africa and Somalis cluster more with Africans and the dispora before any Arab and european. Also you really haven't said any facts you were wrong on many things about genetics and biology but you are right Somalis are more related to n/e africans who have e1b1b then a west african with e1b1a but you are still genetically very close.
@Bountylicious Your not getting it. Both West and East Africans descend from P2 (E1b1 cluster) also known as E3. You have the same father, that is like me claiming my own brother is not my kin or is not blood related to me. We are actually genealogy more closely connected to each other then we are to our parents.
@davidcici11 no David I understand my people's genetics, but you have to understand doesn't mean we're the same people/same race. it's like saying everyone is from Adam and Eve and that we are all related. Yes, but very distantly so. Especially in regards to the oldest continent in the world, and East and West Africans have been split for at least 40,000 years.
Noted American scientist, "East and West Africans are like the difference between Asia and Europe" people need to accept facts.
@Bountylicious I get what you are trying to say but what you are not getting is that you are apart of the same branch as those West Africans (E3-P2) and East Africans as well as 73% of all Africans descend from P2 which arose about 35,000 years ago, but we are all apart of the E*96 familia.
And then we got to consider A, B which is present all over Africa. This is most ancestral African lineages, of course everyone got different mixtures of variants, but it explains diversity.
@davidcici11.... you're right. But still does not mean we are the same people and race. As the traits of West African and Horn African DNA markers, are very different as already scientifically proven. we are not the same. Genes mutate and become different, like I said especially over long periods of time, we are talking about Ancient Africa not recent Europe or Asia.
@Bountylicious How is it is scientifically proven? LOL it actually shows the connection between various African groups, and why certain Afro-Asiatics have certain Nilo-Saharan lineages, and how Nilo-Saharans have various Niger Congo lineages.
Of course language, as well as phenotype, skin color, is not an indicator of genetic markers or race
@Bountylicious Their are people in Brazil who had more West African ancestry and were lighter than the darker one's who had less ancestry. Same can be postulated with some Berbers who are majority are African in origin (E1b1b) who are lighter then their majority non-African parts or ect.
Facial features has been proven also in East Africa among the Tutsi who are majority M2(E1b1a) who have so-called Caucasoid features.
ICaucasoid features are nothing but environmental adaptations
@davidcici11 yes, but everything you've just said I already know. I constantly share and try to convince people of those facts. people wrongly think that race/ethnicity is the same as skin colour. some think that b/c certain dark skinned people have aquiline so called caucasoid features that they are mixed. I know it's down to envoirmental/climate adaptations. you know a lot I salute you. N-E-S-W africa, we are all African. what we don't agree with is people associating with a black race :¬)
@Bountylicious Lineages represent 0.01% of human genome (DNA). Most of all humans share virtually identical dna 99.9% Lineages only tell you where and when a population arose, non-Africans (Europeans, Asians, Native Americans) have a subset of the diversity present in Africa. Africans are more identical on the genetic level then they are too non-Africans and vice versa.
Although non-Africans don't have as much diversity that Africans carry.
@Bountylicious I wouldn't categorize it a split due to the fact West Africans M2 variant peaks in East/Central Africa around 60% and some of it is apart of the Bantu expansion and some of its older than that.
M2 most likely arose in East Africa as did E1b1b.
Whether it split or not what did both groups of Africans come from? You can't make an argument for them being unrelated, its not like its outside of the E3 cluster their in the same patrineally cluster.
@yungpar3 Somalis did leave Africa, you frikking nobody. Any Scientist will tell you that. That's why we have the genes of half the world, in small amounts. The people who left Africa into Arabia and North Africa were Somali/hamitic people, and many back migrated. This is like basic stuff, anyone will tell you. like I said so many times before most Somalis (and others) will tell you we are nothing like blacks congoid people. Hamitic is not European made or theory it is a race.
Most Bantus came to Hamitic region East/North from the WEST = The Bantu Expansion. fact. haha. clueless. but believe what you want you are only one person, a half Somali and half black. so you are a very confuses child. most blacks have more sense then you, and know at least a about a quarter of the things I know. Au Revior.
@Bountylicious Also my age has nothing to do with anything stop constructing straw mans to deflect the issue because i'm old enough to be in college and from what i've seen more intellegent then you are lol. You admit you don't know anything about genetics or biology but yet you still spew the same trash, I guess people see what they want because Askari is agreeing with me but he is saying Somalis aren't the exact same as other ethnic groups which is true.
here are Genetic races, and in Africa there are 3. Capoid (Southern Africa), Hamitic/Meditid (Horn/North Africa), and Congoid (West/central). These are all facts you lunatic. accept them we are not the same or even similar as you.
@Bountylicious If I were you, and as a fellow Somali, I advise you to take a closer look. We should really be concerned about European whites, not fellow Africans as they are under the same oppressive system we are subject to.
So please do not seek alienate us from other Africans. By all means all Africans should accept their differences and diversity, but we should never give white supremacy the satisfaction of witnessing the seed of their hate inflame within us.
I was not claiming we are not native. We are more Native then you. Furthermore most reliable sources confirm that East and West, split at least 35 years old. only few will claim 20, believe it b/c you want to. It is not only Somalis who are different from west africans/hausa/central african, and the countless west African ethnic groups, it is all North and North-east Africa.
I don't need your to reply, But MOST Somalis/horner, like bother Askari will tell you the same facts. Give up, lmao.
@Bountylicious Please STFU you don't even what you are talking about everybody knows including Askari that "race" doesn't exist so why do you keep pushing disproved "Hamitic" theory? Capoid, hamitic and congoid were terms created before modern biology, genetics and only adress features.
Now if you want to be taken seriously link me proof from REAL REPUTABLE SCIENTSTs.
You already have been embarrased enough espically after your temper tantrum now please have a nice day.
@Bountylicious Cont. Not wikipedia and not from youtube videos. Somalis are african and are related very closely to other east africans and not to far from west africans. Now e3a and e3b split 20k years ago and west africans left Egypt were e3 started 9-15kyrs ago and I showed you the proof from real scientists.
PS bantu come from central Africa and are not west africans. west/east africans were both the same people before the split and still are genetic sisters after it.
You really need to understand that we are Africans through and through. Don't believe in the fake caucasoid theories spread by white racists who claim to be anthropologists. The problem here is that there are two opposing problems. The greater problem is white supremacy, and then you have Afrocentric rhetoric as an opposite reaction. Both these groups undermine the reality of Africa and the ethnic variations within this ancient continent in terms of human history and antiquity.
FOR THE last time people need to know, WEST AFRICANS ARE SO CALLED BANTU, they speak bantu languages. The current Bantu East Africans, came recently from WEST AFRICA, whilst invading our region, and killing many of our people. It is part of history- THE BANTU EXPANSION. frikking some people don't know jack, not the slightest. they pretend they do. East and West split much more then 15 thousands years ago lol, up to 40/ 50, 000 thousand years ago or more. Im done I ask for blacks not to reply.
@Bountylicious Well whether you want to use the Bantu expansion as a vocal argument is probable, but when we deal with the nile valley or the Sahara the M2 (e1b1a) originated in East Africa, E3b-N35, E3b-M78 as well as the P2-M2 were all present in Egypt. In matter of fact these are the three most common haplogroups in Egypt.
Upper Egypt (IV) M2 variant at 27.9% in Lower Nubia its 38.1% its low in Upper Egypt at 1.2%. (Keita 2005)
@Bountylicious lol ignorant ass Bantu come from central Africa, west Africans are not bantus. East/west africans split 20k yrs ago and they migrated from each other 9k-15yrs ago that is a fact.
The black american is young /naive. He probably has never been to africa. The most diverse continent in the world, in every way including genetically. He doesn't realize that even close Somali relatives like Oromo, we don't see ourselves same or similar, though we are same N/e hamitic/afro asiatic race. Even Southern Somali tribes and Northern Somali tribes, are very different, (dialect, customs) though both Somali. And he dares to associate us with West afros, if they hear this they'll laugh.
@Bountylicious He doesn't agree with your white supremacy. I have been to Africa I lived in egypt for 2 years and I lived in Ethiopia for 6 months. So speak what you know!!!
Or what you would call Northeast or North African skull. Anthropologist still till this day don't fully understand phenotype variation in the Horn so they are then able to mislabel what the skull truly is, which is Elongated East African.
East Africans don't differ much from West Africans from a genealogy standpoint, but the features like I said can be indicated from the "dry hot climate" in those regions. A reason why the Tutsi who are predominately E1b1a cluster to a so-called Caucasoid type
You refer to nasal science, which is basically strawman. Somalians have narrower noses and different nose appetures from Europeans, other than that the skull it self shows greater variability with other Sub-Saharan Africans. A reason why Euro's like classifying them as mixed or Caucasoid is because of their noses.
That is considered a hybrid cranial, which was noted in Susan Anton (American anthropologists) when she examined King tut's skull. It is what would call "Elongated African"
Bountylicious Africans differ in appearances is most likely due to the climate rather than ancestry, although ancestry does play apart in some cases in vice versa, but it is best to note that it is most likely due to climate.
Also note that Somalians cluster with other Africans before they even cluster with Europeans or Middle Easterners, they cluster with West Africans (Mandeka) and African-Americans before they cluster with so-called Euro's on cranial studies.
@yungpar3 stop stalking me, I know you are, but people coming on to this and reading this will also know you are a delusional and obsessive stalker. peace out, I'm done.
ps: If I were you David I would try to preserve the dignity of this vid by removing this tired waste of space, your video will have no relevance when people read his pathetic comments. God Almighty.
@Bountylicious I'm not stalking you what are you going on about you make claims and expect everybody to respect your opion? The world doesn't work like that.
lol you say im lying but you have presented no proof only lip service you yourself admited you don't what you are talking about but are quick to say i'm lying lol.
Everything I have said is true and I can provide the sources from reputable scientist not people who make videos on youtube nor outdated theories. Good bye sister
@yungpar3 goodbye sister?, I sense Deju VU, I remember after the almost never ending argument last time, I said Goodbye Brother first, you followed.. but you started all this again. you are no brother of mine, I dont care even if you are half Somali. fucking black bastard, I hope God Forsakes you, you will get whats coming to you.
@Bountylicious lol I'm no bastard both my parents are married happily.
God loves me like he loves you so no need to invoke the wrath of allah on me because i'm his child just like you so that makes you my sister in eyes.
Whats with the hostility?
Also whats coming to me? I'm a good man and I help all people, My deepest hope is for somalis (and all other Africans) to become great like they once were
Black people don't do those things in any more mass then any other group of people so stop with that white man racism you are spewing besides Somal's aren't angels they kidnap people who try to help them and they beat women for wearing bra's
@yungpar3 , try to prove so hard that Somalis are black. Okay here goes, Somalis are black, we are originally from west africa, we have negriod noses and lipe, we have prognathism, we have low brows , short and stocky like blacks.fact we were slaves like blacks too. we have nappy hair like blacks, we dont call ourselves Somalis but we call ourselves niggers, just like blacks. we behave like blacks, walk, talk and at like them. we produce bastard offspring like blacks too. reverse psych. haha
@Bountylicious Lol stupidity the cradle of humanity is in east Africa, west africans left there 20k yrs ago so nobody is really native to west Africa.
Phenotypes have nothing to do with genetic relationships and biology. but fun fact kinky hair is a trait in non- mixed somalis.
no you aren't stocky like them but you are long limbed like them, tropically adapted with african cranial cavity, prognathism in buckteeth and sickle cell.
The rest of your comment is straw man racist lies
@Bountylicious phenotype doesn't neccessarily correlate with ancestry. You have Southeast Asians who inhabit the Adaman islands who look like typical sub-tropical Africans (Central/Wesr Africans) these people carry the oldest and most divergent Eurasian lineages on the planet, and they look nothing like their more recent relatives of Western, and Eastern Eurasia, or even in India (the country they roam in).
Also note some Africans who carry R clade look sterotypically Negroid ect.
"The 3 race theory was debunked, when the English met the Somalis and rightly so".
^^^^^
You are refering to "hamitic" theory which was written in the 1800's before modern DNA tests and biology . "Hamitic" theory was debunked in the 60s and any self respecting antropologist/genticsist label Somalis as Sub-Saharan Africans because phenotype doesn't mean anything its genetics and body plans/cranial cavity that counts.
You know "hamitic" theory claims black ass dinkas as white also lol
@yungpar3 Listen you have been harrasing me everywhere for months. I really wish you would stop replying to me. I dont know what Sickle cell is., nor would I care. What kind of question is that, It's like me sating why do most black people act like animals, rape women, or have AIDS? lmao
Somalis are not Negroid, Bantu, Black, Tropical, Congoid, call it whatever, fact is it won't change your race. We are Hamitic(or Meditid), again, call it whatever won't change our blood, DNA, facial etc...lol
@Bountylicious Stop constructing straw mans this is about the way black people act this is about the race of Somalis, Also really somalis kidnap people who were giving them aid during the drought and many are criminals her in America.
Sickel cell is a trait that blacks developed to prevent malaria and Somalis have that trait.
lol you really love to make claims and call it fact with no proof.
But everything I have said is backed up by REAL SCIENTIST not things I come up with in my head
There are 18 known haplogroups or top level clades labeled A thru R. Clades have sub clades - which are children of their respective top level clade. The children are known as sister clades in terms of their relationships to each other. Those children in turn have children and so on.
E3a and E3b are sister haplotypes and children of of E3 (pn2 clade). E3, E3a and E3b all originate in Africa. The Pn2 clade is the dominment Y chromosome type in Africa.
FACT is Somalis are tropical adapted darkskinned native africans with a african cranial cavity(brain size) = who only split from ethiopians 5k years ago.\
Now Somalis history isn't that great we aren't the only descendents of the AE's the nubians, beja, ethiopian, tanaznians, wolof and cameroonians are the descendents also so kill that AE= only Somali bull. Plus somali's never had a great empire we were trading city states on the silk road we never ruled more then were our borders end now.
@yungpar3 I disagree with all the misguided white supremacy mumbo jumbo Bountylicious spews.
However she does have a point in some places. For instance, Somalis and many other Cushitic and Semitic peoples in the Horn of Africa have had strict clan based marriage rituals, and rarely ever mixed with other African tribes including the Nilotic tribes. The Bantu Kenyan groups are also quite recent in that whole region. This is why you have a strong genetic boundary between these groups.
@AskariWaryaa But that still doesn't mean we aren't the same people besides west Africans spilt from East africans only 15k-9kyrs from now and west africans aren't bantu they come from central africa and somalis closet relatives are other africans. So I strongly belive we shouldnt seperate or disconnect from each other because a outsider thinks we look a little different its nothing but double standards whites can be indians but two groups from the same contient
@AskariWaryaa cont' can't be related or the same even though we have more similarities then differences? I know Somali culture looks down on marrying outside of the ethnic group but that doesn't get rid of the shared genetics that existed before the ritual came about (even my grandma(somali) told my father(somali) don't bring home a white women).
Also I belive we need a term like Sub-saharan or "black" to show we are all the same people and are all africans.
@yungpar3 You cannot paint Africans as one big group. That is false and misleading.
Yes all Africans share a common ancestry and origins, but they are also the most diverse group of humans on planet Earth. I think many people fear this diversity because of the white supremacy and colonialism. Africans are not like Europeans, inbred and all similar, hence they can all group themselves into a single group. But that starts to fall apart when you enter southern Europe.
@AskariWaryaa Yes we are diverse but we are diverse in features not genetics 73% of Africans are hap group E, most africans have a tropical bodyplan, most africans have the same skull excluding noses and most africans are dark skinned. Phenotypes don't really count for "race" or genetics thats the game eurocentrics play, but it doesn't change the fact that a Somali has more in common with a african then we do with any other group so we should be classified under the same umbrella.
@yungpar3 But we (Africans) are also diverse genetically. Don't confuse haplogroups with autosomal genetic diversity.
This is normal for Africa. You should read around the human genome project. They found that one village in Africa has more genetic diversity than the whole of Eurasia.
As for Somalis and other Horn Africans, we are genetically different to west and even among ourselves, as are west Africans within themselves. That's what makes Africa special!
@yungpar3 Remember I am not in anyway denying that we Africans share the same ancestors, this is a fact for the whole of Africa including the North.
What I am stating is that our ancestors retained great genetic diversity and passed it onto us. Meaning that despite the fact that we are all quite recently related, we still show this tremendous diversity.
Yes Africans have tropical body plans, which is often even more pronounced among groups like us Somalis. We are slim with thin long limbs.
@AskariWaryaa Don't get me wrong im not trying to place every African into one big category I was just simply stating the fact that trying to place one group of Africans outside of the rest like bounty is doing is wrong. I know their are diffrences genetic wise but that doesn't make one group any less native like Bounty trying to claim. I wasn't making all of us one group but showing that their is more relation to each other then that stupid hamitic theory she was pushing.
@AskariWaryaa But I thank you for your insightful input brother.
PS I don't think the boundry is to strong because E31b isn't only present in Somalia and the only group I can say that has a strong boundry in Africa are the san people but even they share a very deep linkage to ethiopians
@yungpar3 Bro Africa is very diverse. There is great genetic diversity, cultural diversity and languages.
When I say there are genetic differences and boundaries, I say this because it's true. However this just shows the beauty of Africa, and how it represents the cradle of humanity. Our diversity and differences is nothing to hide, but it should be celebrated as African greatness.
The only problem is that we should never use these differences as a way of creating hate and division.
@AskariWaryaa Yes I AGREE with everything you have said, but I don't hate. But the problem is brother as you know) when these black people put Somalis/horn Africans in the same so called black race as them and try to label us. We have nothing in common with black people, they think we have superior mentality or something. There is absolutely no way Somalis are the same/similar as Black so called Bantu/west african people lol. Everyone knows this, but of course there will always be the desperate.
lol this women is funny she admits she doesn't know anything about biology or gentics but she still claims Somalis are a different race based on what? Youtube and wikipedia lol like I said phenotype has nothing to do with "race" like the fulani who are bantu but look like Somalis. She even denies accepted fact that somalis have a super tropical body plan and african cranial cavity (said by Kieta) and brings up southern europeans who only have e31b because of moorish invasions.
video is wrongly titled, Caucasian not white. We are Caucasoid (meaning we similar skull-type, bone structure), as Eurasians, but we're not Caucasian. Big difference. Furthermore we are not black or white.
The 3 race theory was debunked, when the English met the Somalis and rightly so. You previously enslaved black Americans, now want to distort facts, so you can somehow form a connection with us. Impossible. ans then claim our great civilizations. Desperate. Even West Africans laugh at you.
@Bountylicious Caucasoid doesn't exist nor does negroid you know why? because race doesn't exist but Africans are more related to other africans and phenotype doesn't mean anything with that oid game you are playing. Fulani looks like elonglated east africans but are e3a and the san people have asian eye flaps but they still our black. Plus 70k yrs ago is when the europeans left west africans and east africans split 20k yrs ago.
@Bountylicious There is no such thing as race in the first place.
Also there's no reason for your misguided hate for Afro-Americans and other African peoples. As Somalis we have more grievances with the white supremacist western governments, and their stupid puppets, who ever they might be.
I also personally don't believe in a black race. The title black was created by whites to destroy culture and paint all Africans and Africa as the dark continent. Our colour as Somalis is reddish brown.
It is this SIMPLE, Africa consists of 3 races, Hamitic (North, Horn, North East)......Congoid (West, Central africa)...and Capoid (Southern Africa). So Bantu (a set of languages) is used by many in regarding Congiod, whether Senegal, Nigeria , Congo, Rwanda Tutsi, Uganda, Kenya....all Bantu and all so called Congoid.
you can change the term "Congoid", but still it would NOT make a difference, the people would still similar, belong to similar DNA, blood, languages, facial feature, etc etc.
@Bountylicious lol that oid game is played out because race doesn't exist but africans cluster togther with other Africans besides hamitic theory was debunked in the 60's so was congoid and capoid.
So in other words Bountylicious M2/Pn1 and M215/M35/P2 all come from the P2 marker M2 is actually older than M215/M35 at the approximately in a range from 30-22 k and E-M215/E-M35 dates around 22,000.
E3 clade which is the P2 or Pn2 clade arose 40,000 years ago.
Both West and East Africans descend from this cluster. They have a common ancestor which is the P2 clade. So its not to say all these Africans who share the P2 share common male ancestry. So in other words they are related
@yungpar3 You are black negriod, accept it. we are not, I think by now most of the world will tell you, we have similar skin colour but that's where the similarities END, lmao. MANY types of people will come on to any east, horn, Somali, Ethiopian people video/forums, to witness our God given beauty, culture, interact with our people.
The closest people come to knowing or caring about black people, are your famous celebs, singers and sportstars. lol.
There are 18 known haplogroups or top level clades labeled A thru R. Clades have sub clades - which are children of their respective top level clade. The children are known as sister clades in terms of their relationships to each other. Those children in turn have children and so on.
E3a and E3b are sister haplotypes and children of of E3 (pn2 clade). E3, E3a and E3b all originate in Africa. The Pn2 clade is the dominment Y chromosome type in Africa.
The sister clades themselves do not determine phenotype. No clades do. There are elongated and broad African types of E3a and E3b
Elongated and broad Africans likely diverge based on morphological adaptation to dry and humid tropical climates respectively. Accordingly both types are Black. The haplotypes originate after the base european asian and australian populations migrated out of Africa and so are not indigenous to those regions.
@yungpar3 cont .E3a and E3b appear to have split geographically with E3a carriers generally traveling central west and south, and E3b carriers traveling east north and west.
Haplotypes do not determine language [of course], but E3b is most closely associated with the Afrasan speakers an E3a with Bantu speakers - for instance.
And none of this has anything to do with European peoples [self labeled caucasians] other than that they inherit ithe haplotypes as African admixture either directly or indirectly thru either the Levantine corridor; Egypto/Nubian colonisation in the Agean and Southwest Europe from across the Maghreb during the Moorish occupation.
Stop wasting my time, and do not bother to comment to me ever again, fucking delusional desperate nutcase. you keep on embarrassing your black american, I have never met one as obsessed with you though. God Almighty.
@yungpar3 FYI Southern Europeans you speak of, have up to 40% of the E1b1b1 (M35), Somali, north and north east African DNA marker, BUT many have the SPECIFIC E1b1b1a (Somalid Marker). If that was a bantu marker like you think then they would look half bantu, they would essentially be half black, and they and we are certainly not.
You cannot try to change scientific facts to win an argument, even if you post 1000 comments. It is what it is. Somalis other NE african populations are not negroid.
@Bountylicious Southern Europeans don't have up to 40% E3b-M35 Europe only has 6% of E lineages majority of them are E3b-M78 which didn't leave Sudan until 10.8 kya which means most Western Asians have recent sub-clades of E3b and majority isn't from North Africa it is from the Horn (D/E3b-M78 d/E3b-M81--Berber marker)
Europeans and Asians have very recent sub-clades of E.
E spread in Middle East through demic diffusion and middle eastern agriculturalist and then spread into Europe
@Bountylicious And E3b-M35 is not dominant in Europe it is E3b-M78 which is what the Somalians carry. and I made mistake this is the most dominant European E lineage this is 6% in Europe, then it is E3b-M81 which is even less than 6^.
E-M78 peaks in the Balkans and Greeks around 50%, it appears throughout Europe in minor frequencies outside those two groups which don't even make up 4% of Europe population.
then it is E-81 which peaks in Spain 30% and in Sicily and is absent everywhere else
If you want to play that card Southern europeans have hap group A which is only found in west africa and they have e1b1b1a which you called bantu so are they the same race as west africans now? plus Southern europeans only have e31b at 5%-30% and that was introduced in the last 1000yrs. Plus west africans split from east Africans only 20kyrs ago and they still mixed and trade with each other after the split lol and modern day somalis split from ethiopians 5000yrs ago.
@yungpar3 You do not make sense. I dont know why you are so obsessed with my race. LMAO E1b1b1a is not West african, if you had any clue about genetics, you woul know that is the SPECIFIC haplogroup of Somali people (M78), haha, you are a dumb half black/half Somali person. we do not accept Negro mixed Somalis, as you know. So just leave my race and people alone. Embrace your black race.hahha. funny!!1
@Bountylicious E1b1a is a sub-clade of the M2 marker which defines E1b1a SNP marker) M2 arose in East Central Africa but the distribution of M2 (E1b1a) is frequent in West Africa and is most common among West Africans. As for the so-called Somalian marker, some place E-M78 as arising in either Sudan or Somalia but given the greatest diversity factor it would seem probable it gave rise in Somalia.
E-M78 is a subclade of E-M35 both M2 and E-M215/E-M35 descend and come from the P2 (E3 cluster)
@Bountylicious lol typo I meant e1b1a But lets not resort to ad hominen. lol that is a straw man now you seem to dodge my questions and state the same bs over and over I gave you proof from REAL scientists not people racists on utube.
Now e1b1a is only 20k years old and somalis only spilt from other east africans 5kyrs ago way after the european and australians left explain that.
ALso Somalis have sickel cell explain that, along with their tropical body plans and african skull cavity.
@yungpar3 Somalis would resemble Nordic skulls and bone structure, not low brow, highly prognathism black people. Even our feet are different. lmao. we are differnt in every way, apart from skin colour and inhabitants of the same continent.
@Bountylicious lol show me the proof from REAL scientist not info you gathered from youtube vids and what you learned from white nationlist websites or wikipedia. Everything I said is backed up by fact and science and I should you my sources with the name of the people who said who are respected in their field. Now somali's are have a tropical body plan, a African cranial cavity and prognathism in the form of buckteeth. You cant prove anything you say but I have time and time again. You lose
cont. please stop using out dated debunked scientific racism like "hamitic" and "coon" which was written in the 1930's and 1800s and debunked in the 60s. Every scholar, genetist and anthropologist agree they are a black native African with the typical tropical african appearance.
Are really gonna continue to use debunked "hamitic" theory? Because anyself respecting antropologist would life you out the room.
Are you really saying Somali's cluster more with southern europeans even though they have it through admixture from when the moor's invade in the last 1000yrs? They aren't even native to it was introduced through invasion.
Are you really gonna deny Somalis relation with other Africans? Like their tropical body plan and african skull cavity .
This is a qoute from a very noted sceintist. "the difference between East (as in horn) and west Africa is just like the difference between Europe and Asia"....we are in no way alike, and E1b1a and E1b1b is as different as Europe and Asia, and have split 70,000 years ago. get yourself educated.
.....Somalis do not have any Prognathism (unless mixed with bantu)....As a matter of FACT Somalis in general are known to have the least prognathism anywhere in the world, even less then the many Europeans. Apart from having over 80% Hamitic E1b1b1 (M35) DNA, Ethnic Somalis have 3% Bantu DNA, and 15% Eurasion genes. Quit being obsessed with my race. Stop wasting my time, spreading lies, and messaging me at every opportunity. you need help lmao.
@Bountylicious Yes Somali's do have it Overbite/buckteeth are prognathism besides not all bantu's or other african types have it. Now explain the tropical body plan and african skull cavity they have? try your best. Hamitic theory was debunked in the 60's now quit that scientific racism. Also why do call all of Africa bantu? the san people aren't, nilothic aren't and certain tribes in western Africa aren't. lol you are the one obessesd with seperating black people and that cancer must be cut out
lol and antropologist don't use the term caucasiod for Somli's they use elongated east african, and Somali's do have a for of prognathism( buckteeth/ overbite) and Somali's face are different but their brain shape/size clusters with other Africans and they are long limbed like other tropical Africans explain that because whites are cold adapted not tropical adapted like Somali's. So are you gonna deny Somalis being related to other African groups? and please don't bring europeans into this
@yungpar3 Oh not You again, mate you are not Somali, you are a half Somali half black person. You don't know anything about my race. This is the one and last time I will speak with Somalis have DNA marker E1b1b1 (M35) up to 80%, that runs through all of Somalia, North Africa, Ethiopia and Southern Europe have up to 50% - Italy, Greeks, Balkan Nations.
This is not a Negroid marker, none of the populations mentioned are in any way Negroid, half or a quarter. It would make no sense. GET OVER IT.
@Bountylicious E1b1b1b isn't only in east/north africa it is in central Africa from the huasa and tutsi. It appears in west Africa in cameroone and it shows up in AAs and south africans in way higher percentage then those white countries. Now explain the fulani who look like us but are bantu and belong to e3a? lol phenotype has nothing to do with race somalis do have so 'called' negro feature just not facially they have tropical body plans and african skull cavity you can't deny it.
lol for a person who studies egypt you should know that antropologist cluster Somalis with other sub-saharan groups. Also phenotypes don't mean anything for example look at fulani's they are e3a but they look very similar to Somalis and to say somalis aren't black you must say the say about "bantu"s because they are the somali's closet genetic relation ship because e1b1b1a (bantu) e1b1b1b(somali) belongs to the exact same sub clade of E.
Before we start this debate don't show me europeans with e31b because I will laugh at you, because they have it a low frenquecies while somalis and other africans (e3b appears in west/south Africa also) have it in high frenquecies which means they are a african/ european mix from when the moors invaded them.
Also do not resort to Ad hominen (insults) or straw mans like bringing they way AAs' and west africans carry themselves this is about the Somalis being native tropical africans= black
Somalis are Elongated East Africans, period, just as the Tutsi, Oromo, and Masai does. According measurements comparing them to OTHER Elongated East Africans...
Now being black doesn't make you any less Somali or remove you from your culture,being black doesn't mean you are west african or african american it is our race not our ethnicty. Just like a spaniard and russian are both whites even they have different cultures, languges and phenotypes but they still are both white.
Europeans used the word Hamitic to refer to black Africans in general. When Eurocentrism and racism was born, they began to associate it with the curse of Ham and that all black people are cursed to be slaves. Later on when it was discovered that Hamitic people like the Egyptians were the founders of the earliest and most sophisticated civilizations, Western scholars changed the definition again to say that Hamites were black-skinned caucasoids whereas others in SubSahara were just negroids
Hold it right there! I just seen a somali not too long ago, he had very large lips and a broad forehead. So he's not a real somali then? What is a ethnically pure somali? If there are any left that is.. What does an ethnic somali look like? I'm not from africa so from my observation I would say that though somalis don't look like their black african neighbors, they show a slight african appearance. Get real!
@MagicMutilator6000 did i not tell you some people in somalia are not real somalis there are many tribes in somali who have different ancestry and they are only 5% of the population.95% of the population are ethnic somalis (Real Somalis). 5% of the population are not real somalis they either mixed with somali or have nothing to do with somalis hence why they look bantu or arab anywayz the guy you saw was a somali bantu they like to claim us alot while the arabs hate to claim us its funny
@MagicMutilator6000 Somali's are black the reason we look they way we do because we come from a arid climate while other africans are from a jungle like enviroment so certain traits they have we didn't need since we come from the sahara/savanna. Plus Somali's have a African skull cavity, a tropical bodyplan, buck teeth which is a form of prognathism, dark skin and are from hap group E which is a black hap group.
@yungpar3 She's gonna scream when I detect her IP address, find her home address and send somebody to forcibly put an HIV diseased dick in her ass hole. :)
@Bountylicious Psh hamitic theory was debunked in the 60's drop that scientfic racism thats whites used to claim egypt they even said the dinka were white, now you know thats entirely stupid.
It seems, black africans and white europeans have been for decades trying claim Somalis for their black and white races. not only b/c of our god given beauty, but mostly for our incredible history, and our close family ie ancient egypt,north africa. truth is we are not a part of the same race as the Europeans or the congoid africans. dna and science have proved that as everyone knows by now.
@Bountylicious I invite you to debate me on the "race" of Somalis because you are firmly stuck on debunked "hamitic and " coon" theory which was debunked in the 60's. Bottom line Somali's cluster more with tropical Africans and retain a tropical bodyplan (long limbed), African skull cavity (brain shape/size), Prognathism( buckteeth/overbite is a form of it now only big lips) and they belong to haplo group E which is native to Africa. Somali is a ethnic group not a race!!! go educate yourself.
@yungpar3 A study done in Human Heredity examined blood groups of Somalis, an East African population. They found little evidence of much Caucasoid admixture and found Somalis are much more related to other Africans, than Europeans or Middle Easterners.
The Somalis showed high levels of Type O, a pattern similar to many other African populations. It also showed small frequencies of blood type A2, supposedly a "special" type confined only to Europeans.
@yungpar3 cont. . In Africa however, A2 is anything but "special", and appears in Bantu and other black populations as well. Africa has the highest variant distribution of blood type A. In comparison with East Africans and other groups, the Somalis clustered closer to other Africans
There are no "white" africans, stop that! There are Indigenous Africans and then there are european and asiatic invaders. Other than that, you have the occasional albinos born to African parents, but they are still, genetically African, not "white" people.
I am definitely clever, but that is not always a bad thing.
davidcici11 22 hours ago
best not to argue or act clever with the very people you are making videos about. we know more then you. you know little about Somalia, you probably know even less about west africa where your ancestors are from haha. I have a habit of always hitting several nails right on the head. please don't start. of course you are American and not west African, like you mentioned. good. bye.
Bountylicious 1 day ago
The more and more I talk to you @bounty the more and more I see how denial you are.
davidcici11 2 days ago
curious to see why you are so strucken from reality Bantu languages are spoken all over Africa mostly in the West
davidcici11 4 days ago
to be honest this video does not make any sense. being a Somali when I first saw the title and watched the video, it was amusing but does not make sense. I would take it down if I were you. We are not white, of course we are not. we are just cushitic people of north east africa, we don't understand or appreciate these strange titles that black americans and europeans like to label us.
Bountylicious 4 days ago
@Bountylicious I never labeled Somalians anything other than East African Cushitic, with also in Southern Somalia they speak Bantu Swahili but nevertheless I never said they were West African in origin.
They share common ancestry with West Africans, but they are not West Africans. This title does not pertain to you, it pertains to the Euro's claiming you as being white or descending from European stock. Somalians are African in origin.
davidcici11 4 days ago
@davidcici11 Another things that is incorrect. There is no such noun as "somalian", it is Somali. if you knew anything you should know that. Southern Somalis do not speak bantu/swahili. lol. only some African travelers/bantu. not ethnics. Europeans actually think that we are a lost tribe of Europe, the french announced this in their own parliament in the 1800s. we are just Muslim, Somali Cushitic. we don't want to be labeled same as West Africans or Europeans, only other north/east Africans.
Bountylicious 4 days ago
@Bountylicious I am a American, my native language is English which derivative of Latin.
Greeks called people from Kemet Egyptians. Which is not the original name for them or Nubia which originally another Greek derivative of the original name. The reason put the "ans" at the end of Somali because as a American I am used to putting that after the name of an ethnic group.
Swahill is spoken in Southern Somalia if it is not then I must be talking to a mule.
davidcici11 4 days ago
@davidcici11 I still don't see your point, or why you are calling Somali people "somalians".no such noun. Please don't act clever with me. My country Somalia, anywhere in the country, the bantu language swahili is not spoken, only by Bantu people, or Somalis from Kenya/Tanzania Bantu countries. lol. Our language is Somali second is Arabic. You wouldn't know a clue about these things, yet you make videos about my Cushitic people. best to stick to what you know.
Bountylicious 2 days ago
@Bountylicious perhaps you should update the and do research of the languages spoken in your nation.
As a American their is only a few language besides English that are spoken in this country all three are Latin (English:Primary Spanish and French Secondary languages).
You will have that a lot in many countries with diverse ethnic backgrounds. Of course there are many more but those are the most common.
In Southern Somalia it is Bantu Swahilli or am I lying? Because I know I am not.
davidcici11 2 days ago
@davidcici11 I don't see why you are still talking like you know my country and people. Swahili is spoken by many people in africa, it's a bantu language. Somalia we speak cushitic and afro asiaitic language Somalia and Arabic. however there are some bantus in somalia who may speak it, or Somalis from bantu countries. this is like maybe a few hundred people. there are like 11 million people in Somalia. I know more about my country then you ever could. stick to what you know like I said.
Bountylicious 1 day ago
@Bountylicious if you know so much about your own language then it confuses me why you didn't know there are Bantu Swahilli speakers in Somalia. I mean its not hard to know this if you just google it lol
davidcici11 22 hours ago
@davidcici11 are you that stupid. I don't have to google about my country to know anything. We Somalis know all about our country unlike many others.we have 6 Somali satelite channels, thousands of websites, not too mention we discuss/follow/share everything constantly. it's how we are. Swahili is not a prevalent language in Somalia, like I said so many times, the very few bantus in southern somalia there speak it, or some Somali people from bantu countries. lets drop this.
Bountylicious 20 hours ago
@Bountylicious you must live in a bubble in a small section of Somalia then. I guess countless of people who collected Anthropological data their are always idiots. Let me guess they mistaken Bantu Swahilli for Spanish?
GTFOH
davidcici11 17 hours ago
@davidcici11 mate you don't know nothing about my country. an idiot calls us "somalians". we don't speak bantu languages, only small minority in somalia, that were brought as slaves from bantu countries. that's how they got there. I would advise you to stop talking nonsense to me. I don't even know you posted a video about cushitic people, perhaps you should just concentrate on your ancestors in west africa. typical black american,you're all the same.
Bountylicious 6 hours ago
That's like me differing E1 from other various clades of E1 or E2. Their different subclades the most earlest of the E branch, but they share more relation to each other then lets say anything that comes off the M89 Branch, I wouldn't say E1 and E2 are closely connected to haplogroup R, and many Euro's would hate that sense these basal lineages show up in South and East Africa among Bantu speakers.
And E1 which shows up in Mali. Stop trying to place one far from the other
davidcici11 3 weeks ago
I did not say that West and East Africans are not related, we are just like all different races of this world. We are just not the same race or people.
Bountylicious 3 weeks ago
@Bountylicious Sorry to break it to ya but their is no such thing as a pure race, or a pure racial group. Their is biological African and their is biological non-Africans, the other half descending from the other
davidcici11 3 weeks ago
I would advise you before the truth makes you go crazy. Mix with the black side of your family, and not the Somali side, and be more concerned about them not us. American lunatic.
Bountylicious 4 weeks ago
@Bountylicious lol The same rhetoric over and over.
1st I was raised in Somali culture(also AA) from birth
2nd who gives you the authority to decide who can be Somali or not? You're not god.
You are in denial about everything you spew BS but can't back it up.
Besides I know the truth I doubt that you know it. You still cling to silly disproved theories that were created by racists.
Like I said you are a idiot and you can't prove one thing that you have said.
yungpar3 4 weeks ago 2
Quote from Noted American Scientist : "The difference between East and West Africa is like the difference between Asia and Europe"
One Small Village in Africa has more Genetic diversity then all of Eurasia, like Askari told you and most people know. Give up, you cannot change facts however much you try. Africa is not one big family, never has and probably never will be.
Bountylicious 4 weeks ago
Somalis have the genes of the half the world in very small amounts. The MTDNA M1 which makes up almost 50%, runs throughout Eurasia, and is though to have started in Asia, though could have been Africa too. the point is not that we are mixed, but our people traveled a lot built great civilizations and then many back migrated...ie, Egypt, Mesopotamia, Tunisia etc....Yet Somalis are Y DNA 80% Hamitic E1b1b1 (m35), which makes us very indigenous to Africa. get educated and quit wasting my time.
Bountylicious 4 weeks ago
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Who cares who is labeled as "Caucasoid" = bogus term. Ethiopians, Somalis, Nubians, Dinka, Maasai, Tutsi, etc were ALL labled as "Caucasoid" or "Hamitic."
What is the homeland of "Caucasoids"?
What was the language of invading "Caucasoids"
What are Gene markers of "Caucasoids"?
Why do you let people beat you over the head using these old terms? Why do people like you always make arguments based on non-scientific sources and terms no longer in use? Your argument belongs in 1909 not 2012
yungpar3 4 weeks ago
Also bounty that is the basis of "hamitic theory" it claims Eafricans are whites who back migrated from europe and brought "light to the dark contient". So when you claim "hamitic" theory you are saying east/north africans aren't natives.
PS if Somalis are "meditid" why don't they look like other people from around the Mediterranean? Like greeks' romans and people from the middle east. Do you even know what migration does to culture and gentics their is no proof that Somalis never left Africa.
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@yungpar3 GENETIC DIVERSITY IS NOT GENETIC DISTANCE. Africans and Non-Africans have genetic distance but Africans have diveristy. Think of a tree and each branch is a haplo group (A,B&E) and each twig and leaf an sub group(e1b1a&e1b1b) that is diversity and distance is another tree altogther.
Another example majority of Africa is clade E but E has many differen't subgroups which are different that means E is diverse because of the differences. E and J have distance you understand?
yungpar3 4 weeks ago
@yungpar3 ....Need I remind you Africa is the oldest continent in the world, and cradle of humanity. It is also the most GENETICALLY DIVERSE continent in the world. dont compare. Sure everyone in the world has same common ancestry. But you are being overly desperate as per usual. SOMALIS ARE NOT THE SAME AS BLACK AFRICANS. lmao. we have not got the same genes obviously. Any educated person will agree with me, Like Askari told you. and no you are definitely not more intelligent then me.
Bountylicious 4 weeks ago
@Bountylicious lol I guess denial isn't only a river in Egypt. Somalis never left Africa you twat we originated in Egypt with every other clade of E and we went south. Not north our culture reflects that. the somali languge is native to Africa and our culture was very similar to other african cultures before the rise of islam in Africa.
PS somalis do share the same fucking genes with other Africans we a recent reletives to each other with in the last 20k yrs.
yungpar3 4 weeks ago
@yungpar3 Africa is unique in that our genetic diversity can me misunderstood as distance. Scientists speculate that this tremendous diversity proves the origin of humanity in Africa.
Think of it like this. Africa is the big pot of genes that all Humans come from. Eurasia is a spoon from this pot.
Groups like us Somalis are similar to those Africans that left the continent to sire so called Caucasian looking Asians and Europeans. This is why we resemble each other!
AskariWaryaa 4 weeks ago
@AskariWaryaa what you said is very true but I think people like bounty confuse diversity with distance, she thinks because somebody looks like you then they are your most related group which isn't the case. Africa is diverse in gentics but being diverse isn't being distanst like your cousin my look different from you but he more related to you then a person from another country who looks just like you.
I really appreciate talking to a fellow somali only who isn't like bounty
yungpar3 4 weeks ago
@yungpar3 Yes indeed, genetic diversity and difference does not mean distance. It just means having diverse, and funnily enough superior genes. As diversity = good!!
So is your father Somali? or your mother?
AskariWaryaa 4 weeks ago
@AskariWaryaa My father is Somali he is Yusuf Darod
yungpar3 4 weeks ago
@yungpar3 Yusuf Darod yes I know them
They are also called Awrtable
I think us East Africans are not only fast, but we have high endurance, we can run for long long distances.
West Africans are can run short distances much faster than us however. Something to do with fast twitch muscles. But these are just general stereotypes with some elements of truth. We are after all as Africans very diverse in our abilities.
AskariWaryaa 4 weeks ago
@yungpar3 Do you realise that if your father is Somali then you are Somali.
I am Darod also, from the Majerteen clan of Puntland.
AskariWaryaa 4 weeks ago
@AskariWaryaa oh I know tha i'm somali. I claim my fathers ancestry, heritage and I consider my ethnicty Somali. Lol I have a big Somali flag in my house on the wall.
I even look Somali, most of my dad's family and friends who vist America from Africa they think im full Somali. But i'm very proud of both my heritages and but I consider my African above all.
PS yea I know they are called Awrtable but I couldn't type it because Im still learning how to read and write in somali.
yungpar3 4 weeks ago
@yungpar3 okay lets agree to disagree. I know that Somalis are related to other Africans, ie N/e Africans. duh that would make sense. we are also related to north africans more then we would be to wet africans. Im not sure why I have to say these well known facts over again. its really not a big deal. There are facts and then there is wishful thinking, and you a prone to the latter. Embrace your african american people, and leave our people to us. you are only half remember that.
Bountylicious 4 weeks ago
@Bountylicious Lol ok lets agree to disagree but you are still in great denial on basic genetics and the only person who has wishful thinking is you.
PS I can embrace anybody I damn please and you are not the authority to tell me i cant be because im half.
yungpar3 4 weeks ago
@yungpar3 Also Somalis are only close to other people in e1b1b and it sub groups but once you come out of e1b1b you have say hello to the rest of Africa and Somalis cluster more with Africans and the dispora before any Arab and european. Also you really haven't said any facts you were wrong on many things about genetics and biology but you are right Somalis are more related to n/e africans who have e1b1b then a west african with e1b1a but you are still genetically very close.
yungpar3 4 weeks ago
@yungpar3 whatever dude, you'll realise the real truth one day anyway, you're too obsessed with us.
Bountylicious 4 weeks ago
@Bountylicious lol okay I guess people can't handle the truth so they run away from it and deny , but ignoring it doesn't make it any less true.
yungpar3 4 weeks ago
@Bountylicious Your not getting it. Both West and East Africans descend from P2 (E1b1 cluster) also known as E3. You have the same father, that is like me claiming my own brother is not my kin or is not blood related to me. We are actually genealogy more closely connected to each other then we are to our parents.
davidcici11 4 weeks ago
@davidcici11 no David I understand my people's genetics, but you have to understand doesn't mean we're the same people/same race. it's like saying everyone is from Adam and Eve and that we are all related. Yes, but very distantly so. Especially in regards to the oldest continent in the world, and East and West Africans have been split for at least 40,000 years.
Noted American scientist, "East and West Africans are like the difference between Asia and Europe" people need to accept facts.
Bountylicious 3 weeks ago
@Bountylicious I get what you are trying to say but what you are not getting is that you are apart of the same branch as those West Africans (E3-P2) and East Africans as well as 73% of all Africans descend from P2 which arose about 35,000 years ago, but we are all apart of the E*96 familia.
And then we got to consider A, B which is present all over Africa. This is most ancestral African lineages, of course everyone got different mixtures of variants, but it explains diversity.
davidcici11 3 weeks ago
@davidcici11.... you're right. But still does not mean we are the same people and race. As the traits of West African and Horn African DNA markers, are very different as already scientifically proven. we are not the same. Genes mutate and become different, like I said especially over long periods of time, we are talking about Ancient Africa not recent Europe or Asia.
Bountylicious 3 weeks ago
@Bountylicious How is it is scientifically proven? LOL it actually shows the connection between various African groups, and why certain Afro-Asiatics have certain Nilo-Saharan lineages, and how Nilo-Saharans have various Niger Congo lineages.
Of course language, as well as phenotype, skin color, is not an indicator of genetic markers or race
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davidcici11 3 weeks ago
@Bountylicious Their are people in Brazil who had more West African ancestry and were lighter than the darker one's who had less ancestry. Same can be postulated with some Berbers who are majority are African in origin (E1b1b) who are lighter then their majority non-African parts or ect.
Facial features has been proven also in East Africa among the Tutsi who are majority M2(E1b1a) who have so-called Caucasoid features.
ICaucasoid features are nothing but environmental adaptations
davidcici11 3 weeks ago
@davidcici11 yes, but everything you've just said I already know. I constantly share and try to convince people of those facts. people wrongly think that race/ethnicity is the same as skin colour. some think that b/c certain dark skinned people have aquiline so called caucasoid features that they are mixed. I know it's down to envoirmental/climate adaptations. you know a lot I salute you. N-E-S-W africa, we are all African. what we don't agree with is people associating with a black race :¬)
Bountylicious 3 weeks ago
@Bountylicious Their is no such thing as race
davidcici11 4 days ago
@davidcici11 exactly, no such thing as race. but there are genetic races, and thats what separates different ethnicities into groups.
Bountylicious 4 days ago
@Bountylicious Lineages represent 0.01% of human genome (DNA). Most of all humans share virtually identical dna 99.9% Lineages only tell you where and when a population arose, non-Africans (Europeans, Asians, Native Americans) have a subset of the diversity present in Africa. Africans are more identical on the genetic level then they are too non-Africans and vice versa.
Although non-Africans don't have as much diversity that Africans carry.
davidcici11 4 days ago
@Bountylicious I wouldn't categorize it a split due to the fact West Africans M2 variant peaks in East/Central Africa around 60% and some of it is apart of the Bantu expansion and some of its older than that.
M2 most likely arose in East Africa as did E1b1b.
Whether it split or not what did both groups of Africans come from? You can't make an argument for them being unrelated, its not like its outside of the E3 cluster their in the same patrineally cluster.
davidcici11 3 weeks ago
@yungpar3 I think African Americans and west Africans have some of the best genes in the world.
They are usually muscular and athletic with strong bones.
Unfortunately white supremacy has made people think the opposite!
AskariWaryaa 4 weeks ago
@AskariWaryaalol AA's were bred to be strong during slavery but I think east Africans are the fastest runners.
yungpar3 4 weeks ago
@yungpar3 Somalis did leave Africa, you frikking nobody. Any Scientist will tell you that. That's why we have the genes of half the world, in small amounts. The people who left Africa into Arabia and North Africa were Somali/hamitic people, and many back migrated. This is like basic stuff, anyone will tell you. like I said so many times before most Somalis (and others) will tell you we are nothing like blacks congoid people. Hamitic is not European made or theory it is a race.
lmao desperate.
Bountylicious 4 weeks ago
Most Bantus came to Hamitic region East/North from the WEST = The Bantu Expansion. fact. haha. clueless. but believe what you want you are only one person, a half Somali and half black. so you are a very confuses child. most blacks have more sense then you, and know at least a about a quarter of the things I know. Au Revior.
Bountylicious 4 weeks ago
@Bountylicious Also my age has nothing to do with anything stop constructing straw mans to deflect the issue because i'm old enough to be in college and from what i've seen more intellegent then you are lol. You admit you don't know anything about genetics or biology but yet you still spew the same trash, I guess people see what they want because Askari is agreeing with me but he is saying Somalis aren't the exact same as other ethnic groups which is true.
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here are Genetic races, and in Africa there are 3. Capoid (Southern Africa), Hamitic/Meditid (Horn/North Africa), and Congoid (West/central). These are all facts you lunatic. accept them we are not the same or even similar as you.
Bountylicious 4 weeks ago
@Bountylicious If I were you, and as a fellow Somali, I advise you to take a closer look. We should really be concerned about European whites, not fellow Africans as they are under the same oppressive system we are subject to.
So please do not seek alienate us from other Africans. By all means all Africans should accept their differences and diversity, but we should never give white supremacy the satisfaction of witnessing the seed of their hate inflame within us.
AskariWaryaa 4 weeks ago
I was not claiming we are not native. We are more Native then you. Furthermore most reliable sources confirm that East and West, split at least 35 years old. only few will claim 20, believe it b/c you want to. It is not only Somalis who are different from west africans/hausa/central african, and the countless west African ethnic groups, it is all North and North-east Africa.
I don't need your to reply, But MOST Somalis/horner, like bother Askari will tell you the same facts. Give up, lmao.
Bountylicious 4 weeks ago
@Bountylicious Please STFU you don't even what you are talking about everybody knows including Askari that "race" doesn't exist so why do you keep pushing disproved "Hamitic" theory? Capoid, hamitic and congoid were terms created before modern biology, genetics and only adress features.
Now if you want to be taken seriously link me proof from REAL REPUTABLE SCIENTSTs.
You already have been embarrased enough espically after your temper tantrum now please have a nice day.
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@Bountylicious Cont. Not wikipedia and not from youtube videos. Somalis are african and are related very closely to other east africans and not to far from west africans. Now e3a and e3b split 20k years ago and west africans left Egypt were e3 started 9-15kyrs ago and I showed you the proof from real scientists.
PS bantu come from central Africa and are not west africans. west/east africans were both the same people before the split and still are genetic sisters after it.
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@Bountylicious
You really need to understand that we are Africans through and through. Don't believe in the fake caucasoid theories spread by white racists who claim to be anthropologists. The problem here is that there are two opposing problems. The greater problem is white supremacy, and then you have Afrocentric rhetoric as an opposite reaction. Both these groups undermine the reality of Africa and the ethnic variations within this ancient continent in terms of human history and antiquity.
AskariWaryaa 4 weeks ago
FOR THE last time people need to know, WEST AFRICANS ARE SO CALLED BANTU, they speak bantu languages. The current Bantu East Africans, came recently from WEST AFRICA, whilst invading our region, and killing many of our people. It is part of history- THE BANTU EXPANSION. frikking some people don't know jack, not the slightest. they pretend they do. East and West split much more then 15 thousands years ago lol, up to 40/ 50, 000 thousand years ago or more. Im done I ask for blacks not to reply.
Bountylicious 4 weeks ago
@Bountylicious Well whether you want to use the Bantu expansion as a vocal argument is probable, but when we deal with the nile valley or the Sahara the M2 (e1b1a) originated in East Africa, E3b-N35, E3b-M78 as well as the P2-M2 were all present in Egypt. In matter of fact these are the three most common haplogroups in Egypt.
Upper Egypt (IV) M2 variant at 27.9% in Lower Nubia its 38.1% its low in Upper Egypt at 1.2%. (Keita 2005)
Their wasn't just one type of African on the nile
davidcici11 4 weeks ago
@Bountylicious lol ignorant ass Bantu come from central Africa, west Africans are not bantus. East/west africans split 20k yrs ago and they migrated from each other 9k-15yrs ago that is a fact.
yungpar3 4 weeks ago
The black american is young /naive. He probably has never been to africa. The most diverse continent in the world, in every way including genetically. He doesn't realize that even close Somali relatives like Oromo, we don't see ourselves same or similar, though we are same N/e hamitic/afro asiatic race. Even Southern Somali tribes and Northern Somali tribes, are very different, (dialect, customs) though both Somali. And he dares to associate us with West afros, if they hear this they'll laugh.
Bountylicious 4 weeks ago
@Bountylicious He doesn't agree with your white supremacy. I have been to Africa I lived in egypt for 2 years and I lived in Ethiopia for 6 months. So speak what you know!!!
yungpar3 4 weeks ago
Or what you would call Northeast or North African skull. Anthropologist still till this day don't fully understand phenotype variation in the Horn so they are then able to mislabel what the skull truly is, which is Elongated East African.
East Africans don't differ much from West Africans from a genealogy standpoint, but the features like I said can be indicated from the "dry hot climate" in those regions. A reason why the Tutsi who are predominately E1b1a cluster to a so-called Caucasoid type
davidcici11 1 month ago
You refer to nasal science, which is basically strawman. Somalians have narrower noses and different nose appetures from Europeans, other than that the skull it self shows greater variability with other Sub-Saharan Africans. A reason why Euro's like classifying them as mixed or Caucasoid is because of their noses.
That is considered a hybrid cranial, which was noted in Susan Anton (American anthropologists) when she examined King tut's skull. It is what would call "Elongated African"
davidcici11 1 month ago
Bountylicious Africans differ in appearances is most likely due to the climate rather than ancestry, although ancestry does play apart in some cases in vice versa, but it is best to note that it is most likely due to climate.
Also note that Somalians cluster with other Africans before they even cluster with Europeans or Middle Easterners, they cluster with West Africans (Mandeka) and African-Americans before they cluster with so-called Euro's on cranial studies.
davidcici11 1 month ago
go to Egyptsearch forums if you want to debate real antropologists, genetics and writers on the fact that Somalis are tropical africans aka black
Also if you say Somalis aren't tropical you truely don't know anything about modern accepted science
yungpar3 1 month ago
@yungpar3 stop stalking me, I know you are, but people coming on to this and reading this will also know you are a delusional and obsessive stalker. peace out, I'm done.
ps: If I were you David I would try to preserve the dignity of this vid by removing this tired waste of space, your video will have no relevance when people read his pathetic comments. God Almighty.
Bountylicious 1 month ago
@Bountylicious I'm not stalking you what are you going on about you make claims and expect everybody to respect your opion? The world doesn't work like that.
lol you say im lying but you have presented no proof only lip service you yourself admited you don't what you are talking about but are quick to say i'm lying lol.
Everything I have said is true and I can provide the sources from reputable scientist not people who make videos on youtube nor outdated theories. Good bye sister
yungpar3 1 month ago
@Bountylicious good bye sister
yungpar3 1 month ago
@yungpar3 goodbye sister?, I sense Deju VU, I remember after the almost never ending argument last time, I said Goodbye Brother first, you followed.. but you started all this again. you are no brother of mine, I dont care even if you are half Somali. fucking black bastard, I hope God Forsakes you, you will get whats coming to you.
Bountylicious 1 month ago
@Bountylicious lol I'm no bastard both my parents are married happily.
God loves me like he loves you so no need to invoke the wrath of allah on me because i'm his child just like you so that makes you my sister in eyes.
Whats with the hostility?
Also whats coming to me? I'm a good man and I help all people, My deepest hope is for somalis (and all other Africans) to become great like they once were
yungpar3 1 month ago
Black people don't do those things in any more mass then any other group of people so stop with that white man racism you are spewing besides Somal's aren't angels they kidnap people who try to help them and they beat women for wearing bra's
yungpar3 1 month ago
@yungpar3 , try to prove so hard that Somalis are black. Okay here goes, Somalis are black, we are originally from west africa, we have negriod noses and lipe, we have prognathism, we have low brows , short and stocky like blacks.fact we were slaves like blacks too. we have nappy hair like blacks, we dont call ourselves Somalis but we call ourselves niggers, just like blacks. we behave like blacks, walk, talk and at like them. we produce bastard offspring like blacks too. reverse psych. haha
Bountylicious 1 month ago
@Bountylicious Strawmans are admission of defeat
yungpar3 1 month ago
@Bountylicious Lol stupidity the cradle of humanity is in east Africa, west africans left there 20k yrs ago so nobody is really native to west Africa.
Phenotypes have nothing to do with genetic relationships and biology. but fun fact kinky hair is a trait in non- mixed somalis.
no you aren't stocky like them but you are long limbed like them, tropically adapted with african cranial cavity, prognathism in buckteeth and sickle cell.
The rest of your comment is straw man racist lies
yungpar3 1 month ago
@Bountylicious phenotype doesn't neccessarily correlate with ancestry. You have Southeast Asians who inhabit the Adaman islands who look like typical sub-tropical Africans (Central/Wesr Africans) these people carry the oldest and most divergent Eurasian lineages on the planet, and they look nothing like their more recent relatives of Western, and Eastern Eurasia, or even in India (the country they roam in).
Also note some Africans who carry R clade look sterotypically Negroid ect.
davidcici11 1 month ago
"The 3 race theory was debunked, when the English met the Somalis and rightly so".
^^^^^
You are refering to "hamitic" theory which was written in the 1800's before modern DNA tests and biology . "Hamitic" theory was debunked in the 60s and any self respecting antropologist/genticsist label Somalis as Sub-Saharan Africans because phenotype doesn't mean anything its genetics and body plans/cranial cavity that counts.
You know "hamitic" theory claims black ass dinkas as white also lol
yungpar3 1 month ago
@yungpar3 Listen you have been harrasing me everywhere for months. I really wish you would stop replying to me. I dont know what Sickle cell is., nor would I care. What kind of question is that, It's like me sating why do most black people act like animals, rape women, or have AIDS? lmao
Somalis are not Negroid, Bantu, Black, Tropical, Congoid, call it whatever, fact is it won't change your race. We are Hamitic(or Meditid), again, call it whatever won't change our blood, DNA, facial etc...lol
Bountylicious 1 month ago
@Bountylicious Stop constructing straw mans this is about the way black people act this is about the race of Somalis, Also really somalis kidnap people who were giving them aid during the drought and many are criminals her in America.
Sickel cell is a trait that blacks developed to prevent malaria and Somalis have that trait.
lol you really love to make claims and call it fact with no proof.
But everything I have said is backed up by REAL SCIENTIST not things I come up with in my head
yungpar3 1 month ago
@yungpar3 Sickle cell aneamia is non existent in Ethnic Somalis, perhaps Bantu Somalis. This is a fact, I'm not making it up.
AskariWaryaa 1 month ago
@AskariWaryaa It does but its very rare it developed because of malaria carrying misquitos
yungpar3 1 month ago
@yungpar3 I personally don't agree with the label ''subsaharan'', it is obviously a euro ploy to divide Africa.
The whole of Africa is connected genetically, from North to South.
Sub Sahara is a title they use to indirectly call us backwards Negros.
Also Sickel Cell anemia does not exist in the Horn of Africa.
AskariWaryaa 1 month ago
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There are 18 known haplogroups or top level clades labeled A thru R. Clades have sub clades - which are children of their respective top level clade. The children are known as sister clades in terms of their relationships to each other. Those children in turn have children and so on.
E3a and E3b are sister haplotypes and children of of E3 (pn2 clade). E3, E3a and E3b all originate in Africa. The Pn2 clade is the dominment Y chromosome type in Africa.
yungpar3 1 month ago
FACT is Somalis are tropical adapted darkskinned native africans with a african cranial cavity(brain size) = who only split from ethiopians 5k years ago.\
Now Somalis history isn't that great we aren't the only descendents of the AE's the nubians, beja, ethiopian, tanaznians, wolof and cameroonians are the descendents also so kill that AE= only Somali bull. Plus somali's never had a great empire we were trading city states on the silk road we never ruled more then were our borders end now.
yungpar3 1 month ago
@yungpar3 I disagree with all the misguided white supremacy mumbo jumbo Bountylicious spews.
However she does have a point in some places. For instance, Somalis and many other Cushitic and Semitic peoples in the Horn of Africa have had strict clan based marriage rituals, and rarely ever mixed with other African tribes including the Nilotic tribes. The Bantu Kenyan groups are also quite recent in that whole region. This is why you have a strong genetic boundary between these groups.
AskariWaryaa 1 month ago
@AskariWaryaa But that still doesn't mean we aren't the same people besides west Africans spilt from East africans only 15k-9kyrs from now and west africans aren't bantu they come from central africa and somalis closet relatives are other africans. So I strongly belive we shouldnt seperate or disconnect from each other because a outsider thinks we look a little different its nothing but double standards whites can be indians but two groups from the same contient
yungpar3 1 month ago
@AskariWaryaa cont' can't be related or the same even though we have more similarities then differences? I know Somali culture looks down on marrying outside of the ethnic group but that doesn't get rid of the shared genetics that existed before the ritual came about (even my grandma(somali) told my father(somali) don't bring home a white women).
Also I belive we need a term like Sub-saharan or "black" to show we are all the same people and are all africans.
yungpar3 1 month ago
@yungpar3 You cannot paint Africans as one big group. That is false and misleading.
Yes all Africans share a common ancestry and origins, but they are also the most diverse group of humans on planet Earth. I think many people fear this diversity because of the white supremacy and colonialism. Africans are not like Europeans, inbred and all similar, hence they can all group themselves into a single group. But that starts to fall apart when you enter southern Europe.
AskariWaryaa 1 month ago
@AskariWaryaa Yes we are diverse but we are diverse in features not genetics 73% of Africans are hap group E, most africans have a tropical bodyplan, most africans have the same skull excluding noses and most africans are dark skinned. Phenotypes don't really count for "race" or genetics thats the game eurocentrics play, but it doesn't change the fact that a Somali has more in common with a african then we do with any other group so we should be classified under the same umbrella.
yungpar3 4 weeks ago
@yungpar3 But we (Africans) are also diverse genetically. Don't confuse haplogroups with autosomal genetic diversity.
This is normal for Africa. You should read around the human genome project. They found that one village in Africa has more genetic diversity than the whole of Eurasia.
As for Somalis and other Horn Africans, we are genetically different to west and even among ourselves, as are west Africans within themselves. That's what makes Africa special!
AskariWaryaa 4 weeks ago
@yungpar3 Remember I am not in anyway denying that we Africans share the same ancestors, this is a fact for the whole of Africa including the North.
What I am stating is that our ancestors retained great genetic diversity and passed it onto us. Meaning that despite the fact that we are all quite recently related, we still show this tremendous diversity.
Yes Africans have tropical body plans, which is often even more pronounced among groups like us Somalis. We are slim with thin long limbs.
AskariWaryaa 4 weeks ago
@AskariWaryaa cool
yungpar3 4 weeks ago
@AskariWaryaa Don't get me wrong im not trying to place every African into one big category I was just simply stating the fact that trying to place one group of Africans outside of the rest like bounty is doing is wrong. I know their are diffrences genetic wise but that doesn't make one group any less native like Bounty trying to claim. I wasn't making all of us one group but showing that their is more relation to each other then that stupid hamitic theory she was pushing.
yungpar3 4 weeks ago
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yungpar3 1 month ago
@AskariWaryaa But I thank you for your insightful input brother.
PS I don't think the boundry is to strong because E31b isn't only present in Somalia and the only group I can say that has a strong boundry in Africa are the san people but even they share a very deep linkage to ethiopians
yungpar3 1 month ago
@yungpar3 Bro Africa is very diverse. There is great genetic diversity, cultural diversity and languages.
When I say there are genetic differences and boundaries, I say this because it's true. However this just shows the beauty of Africa, and how it represents the cradle of humanity. Our diversity and differences is nothing to hide, but it should be celebrated as African greatness.
The only problem is that we should never use these differences as a way of creating hate and division.
AskariWaryaa 1 month ago
@AskariWaryaa Yes I AGREE with everything you have said, but I don't hate. But the problem is brother as you know) when these black people put Somalis/horn Africans in the same so called black race as them and try to label us. We have nothing in common with black people, they think we have superior mentality or something. There is absolutely no way Somalis are the same/similar as Black so called Bantu/west african people lol. Everyone knows this, but of course there will always be the desperate.
Bountylicious 4 weeks ago
@AskariWaryaa lol we spoke before on another vid similar to this one and you sent me a friend request on my other account YungPar
yungpar3 1 month ago
@yungpar3 Yes blood I know we spoke before.
I recall that you were a cool kid.
AskariWaryaa 1 month ago
lol this women is funny she admits she doesn't know anything about biology or gentics but she still claims Somalis are a different race based on what? Youtube and wikipedia lol like I said phenotype has nothing to do with "race" like the fulani who are bantu but look like Somalis. She even denies accepted fact that somalis have a super tropical body plan and african cranial cavity (said by Kieta) and brings up southern europeans who only have e31b because of moorish invasions.
yungpar3 1 month ago
video is wrongly titled, Caucasian not white. We are Caucasoid (meaning we similar skull-type, bone structure), as Eurasians, but we're not Caucasian. Big difference. Furthermore we are not black or white.
The 3 race theory was debunked, when the English met the Somalis and rightly so. You previously enslaved black Americans, now want to distort facts, so you can somehow form a connection with us. Impossible. ans then claim our great civilizations. Desperate. Even West Africans laugh at you.
Bountylicious 1 month ago
@Bountylicious Caucasoid doesn't exist nor does negroid you know why? because race doesn't exist but Africans are more related to other africans and phenotype doesn't mean anything with that oid game you are playing. Fulani looks like elonglated east africans but are e3a and the san people have asian eye flaps but they still our black. Plus 70k yrs ago is when the europeans left west africans and east africans split 20k yrs ago.
Now explain why Somali's have sickle cell ?
yungpar3 1 month ago
@Bountylicious There is no such thing as race in the first place.
Also there's no reason for your misguided hate for Afro-Americans and other African peoples. As Somalis we have more grievances with the white supremacist western governments, and their stupid puppets, who ever they might be.
I also personally don't believe in a black race. The title black was created by whites to destroy culture and paint all Africans and Africa as the dark continent. Our colour as Somalis is reddish brown.
AskariWaryaa 1 month ago
It is this SIMPLE, Africa consists of 3 races, Hamitic (North, Horn, North East)......Congoid (West, Central africa)...and Capoid (Southern Africa). So Bantu (a set of languages) is used by many in regarding Congiod, whether Senegal, Nigeria , Congo, Rwanda Tutsi, Uganda, Kenya....all Bantu and all so called Congoid.
you can change the term "Congoid", but still it would NOT make a difference, the people would still similar, belong to similar DNA, blood, languages, facial feature, etc etc.
Bountylicious 1 month ago
@Bountylicious lol that oid game is played out because race doesn't exist but africans cluster togther with other Africans besides hamitic theory was debunked in the 60's so was congoid and capoid.
yungpar3 1 month ago
So in other words Bountylicious M2/Pn1 and M215/M35/P2 all come from the P2 marker M2 is actually older than M215/M35 at the approximately in a range from 30-22 k and E-M215/E-M35 dates around 22,000.
E3 clade which is the P2 or Pn2 clade arose 40,000 years ago.
Both West and East Africans descend from this cluster. They have a common ancestor which is the P2 clade. So its not to say all these Africans who share the P2 share common male ancestry. So in other words they are related
davidcici11 1 month ago
Somalis and east Africans have sickle cell explain that away bountylicious
yungpar3 1 month ago
@yungpar3 You are black negriod, accept it. we are not, I think by now most of the world will tell you, we have similar skin colour but that's where the similarities END, lmao. MANY types of people will come on to any east, horn, Somali, Ethiopian people video/forums, to witness our God given beauty, culture, interact with our people.
The closest people come to knowing or caring about black people, are your famous celebs, singers and sportstars. lol.
Bountylicious 1 month ago
There are 18 known haplogroups or top level clades labeled A thru R. Clades have sub clades - which are children of their respective top level clade. The children are known as sister clades in terms of their relationships to each other. Those children in turn have children and so on.
E3a and E3b are sister haplotypes and children of of E3 (pn2 clade). E3, E3a and E3b all originate in Africa. The Pn2 clade is the dominment Y chromosome type in Africa.
yungpar3 1 month ago
@yungpar3 cont .
The sister clades themselves do not determine phenotype. No clades do. There are elongated and broad African types of E3a and E3b
Elongated and broad Africans likely diverge based on morphological adaptation to dry and humid tropical climates respectively. Accordingly both types are Black. The haplotypes originate after the base european asian and australian populations migrated out of Africa and so are not indigenous to those regions.
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yungpar3 1 month ago
@yungpar3 cont .E3a and E3b appear to have split geographically with E3a carriers generally traveling central west and south, and E3b carriers traveling east north and west.
Haplotypes do not determine language [of course], but E3b is most closely associated with the Afrasan speakers an E3a with Bantu speakers - for instance.
yungpar3 1 month ago
@yungpar3 cont
And none of this has anything to do with European peoples [self labeled caucasians] other than that they inherit ithe haplotypes as African admixture either directly or indirectly thru either the Levantine corridor; Egypto/Nubian colonisation in the Agean and Southwest Europe from across the Maghreb during the Moorish occupation.
yungpar3 1 month ago
Stop wasting my time, and do not bother to comment to me ever again, fucking delusional desperate nutcase. you keep on embarrassing your black american, I have never met one as obsessed with you though. God Almighty.
Bountylicious 1 month ago
@yungpar3 FYI Southern Europeans you speak of, have up to 40% of the E1b1b1 (M35), Somali, north and north east African DNA marker, BUT many have the SPECIFIC E1b1b1a (Somalid Marker). If that was a bantu marker like you think then they would look half bantu, they would essentially be half black, and they and we are certainly not.
You cannot try to change scientific facts to win an argument, even if you post 1000 comments. It is what it is. Somalis other NE african populations are not negroid.
Bountylicious 1 month ago
@Bountylicious Southern Europeans don't have up to 40% E3b-M35 Europe only has 6% of E lineages majority of them are E3b-M78 which didn't leave Sudan until 10.8 kya which means most Western Asians have recent sub-clades of E3b and majority isn't from North Africa it is from the Horn (D/E3b-M78 d/E3b-M81--Berber marker)
Europeans and Asians have very recent sub-clades of E.
E spread in Middle East through demic diffusion and middle eastern agriculturalist and then spread into Europe
davidcici11 1 month ago
@Bountylicious And E3b-M35 is not dominant in Europe it is E3b-M78 which is what the Somalians carry. and I made mistake this is the most dominant European E lineage this is 6% in Europe, then it is E3b-M81 which is even less than 6^.
E-M78 peaks in the Balkans and Greeks around 50%, it appears throughout Europe in minor frequencies outside those two groups which don't even make up 4% of Europe population.
then it is E-81 which peaks in Spain 30% and in Sicily and is absent everywhere else
davidcici11 1 month ago
If you want to play that card Southern europeans have hap group A which is only found in west africa and they have e1b1b1a which you called bantu so are they the same race as west africans now? plus Southern europeans only have e31b at 5%-30% and that was introduced in the last 1000yrs. Plus west africans split from east Africans only 20kyrs ago and they still mixed and trade with each other after the split lol and modern day somalis split from ethiopians 5000yrs ago.
yungpar3 1 month ago
@yungpar3 You do not make sense. I dont know why you are so obsessed with my race. LMAO E1b1b1a is not West african, if you had any clue about genetics, you woul know that is the SPECIFIC haplogroup of Somali people (M78), haha, you are a dumb half black/half Somali person. we do not accept Negro mixed Somalis, as you know. So just leave my race and people alone. Embrace your black race.hahha. funny!!1
Bountylicious 1 month ago
@Bountylicious E1b1a is a sub-clade of the M2 marker which defines E1b1a SNP marker) M2 arose in East Central Africa but the distribution of M2 (E1b1a) is frequent in West Africa and is most common among West Africans. As for the so-called Somalian marker, some place E-M78 as arising in either Sudan or Somalia but given the greatest diversity factor it would seem probable it gave rise in Somalia.
E-M78 is a subclade of E-M35 both M2 and E-M215/E-M35 descend and come from the P2 (E3 cluster)
davidcici11 1 month ago
@Bountylicious lol typo I meant e1b1a But lets not resort to ad hominen. lol that is a straw man now you seem to dodge my questions and state the same bs over and over I gave you proof from REAL scientists not people racists on utube.
Now e1b1a is only 20k years old and somalis only spilt from other east africans 5kyrs ago way after the european and australians left explain that.
ALso Somalis have sickel cell explain that, along with their tropical body plans and african skull cavity.
yungpar3 1 month ago
@yungpar3 Somalis would resemble Nordic skulls and bone structure, not low brow, highly prognathism black people. Even our feet are different. lmao. we are differnt in every way, apart from skin colour and inhabitants of the same continent.
Bountylicious 1 month ago
@Bountylicious lol show me the proof from REAL scientist not info you gathered from youtube vids and what you learned from white nationlist websites or wikipedia. Everything I said is backed up by fact and science and I should you my sources with the name of the people who said who are respected in their field. Now somali's are have a tropical body plan, a African cranial cavity and prognathism in the form of buckteeth. You cant prove anything you say but I have time and time again. You lose
yungpar3 1 month ago
cont. please stop using out dated debunked scientific racism like "hamitic" and "coon" which was written in the 1930's and 1800s and debunked in the 60s. Every scholar, genetist and anthropologist agree they are a black native African with the typical tropical african appearance.
yungpar3 1 month ago
Are really gonna continue to use debunked "hamitic" theory? Because anyself respecting antropologist would life you out the room.
Are you really saying Somali's cluster more with southern europeans even though they have it through admixture from when the moor's invade in the last 1000yrs? They aren't even native to it was introduced through invasion.
Are you really gonna deny Somalis relation with other Africans? Like their tropical body plan and african skull cavity .
yungpar3 1 month ago
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This is a qoute from a very noted sceintist. "the difference between East (as in horn) and west Africa is just like the difference between Europe and Asia"....we are in no way alike, and E1b1a and E1b1b is as different as Europe and Asia, and have split 70,000 years ago. get yourself educated.
Bountylicious 1 month ago
.....Somalis do not have any Prognathism (unless mixed with bantu)....As a matter of FACT Somalis in general are known to have the least prognathism anywhere in the world, even less then the many Europeans. Apart from having over 80% Hamitic E1b1b1 (M35) DNA, Ethnic Somalis have 3% Bantu DNA, and 15% Eurasion genes. Quit being obsessed with my race. Stop wasting my time, spreading lies, and messaging me at every opportunity. you need help lmao.
Bountylicious 1 month ago
@Bountylicious Yes Somali's do have it Overbite/buckteeth are prognathism besides not all bantu's or other african types have it. Now explain the tropical body plan and african skull cavity they have? try your best. Hamitic theory was debunked in the 60's now quit that scientific racism. Also why do call all of Africa bantu? the san people aren't, nilothic aren't and certain tribes in western Africa aren't. lol you are the one obessesd with seperating black people and that cancer must be cut out
yungpar3 1 month ago
lol and antropologist don't use the term caucasiod for Somli's they use elongated east african, and Somali's do have a for of prognathism( buckteeth/ overbite) and Somali's face are different but their brain shape/size clusters with other Africans and they are long limbed like other tropical Africans explain that because whites are cold adapted not tropical adapted like Somali's. So are you gonna deny Somalis being related to other African groups? and please don't bring europeans into this
yungpar3 1 month ago
@yungpar3 Oh not You again, mate you are not Somali, you are a half Somali half black person. You don't know anything about my race. This is the one and last time I will speak with Somalis have DNA marker E1b1b1 (M35) up to 80%, that runs through all of Somalia, North Africa, Ethiopia and Southern Europe have up to 50% - Italy, Greeks, Balkan Nations.
This is not a Negroid marker, none of the populations mentioned are in any way Negroid, half or a quarter. It would make no sense. GET OVER IT.
Bountylicious 1 month ago
@Bountylicious E1b1b1b isn't only in east/north africa it is in central Africa from the huasa and tutsi. It appears in west Africa in cameroone and it shows up in AAs and south africans in way higher percentage then those white countries. Now explain the fulani who look like us but are bantu and belong to e3a? lol phenotype has nothing to do with race somalis do have so 'called' negro feature just not facially they have tropical body plans and african skull cavity you can't deny it.
yungpar3 1 month ago
lol for a person who studies egypt you should know that antropologist cluster Somalis with other sub-saharan groups. Also phenotypes don't mean anything for example look at fulani's they are e3a but they look very similar to Somalis and to say somalis aren't black you must say the say about "bantu"s because they are the somali's closet genetic relation ship because e1b1b1a (bantu) e1b1b1b(somali) belongs to the exact same sub clade of E.
yungpar3 1 month ago
Before we start this debate don't show me europeans with e31b because I will laugh at you, because they have it a low frenquecies while somalis and other africans (e3b appears in west/south Africa also) have it in high frenquecies which means they are a african/ european mix from when the moors invaded them.
Also do not resort to Ad hominen (insults) or straw mans like bringing they way AAs' and west africans carry themselves this is about the Somalis being native tropical africans= black
yungpar3 1 month ago
Somalis are Elongated East Africans, period, just as the Tutsi, Oromo, and Masai does. According measurements comparing them to OTHER Elongated East Africans...
Now being black doesn't make you any less Somali or remove you from your culture,being black doesn't mean you are west african or african american it is our race not our ethnicty. Just like a spaniard and russian are both whites even they have different cultures, languges and phenotypes but they still are both white.
yungpar3 1 month ago
Somali's resemble Fulani's almost exactly but they are west african and are e1b1b1a explain that?
yungpar3 1 month ago
E1b1b1a appeared 20k years ago so how did somalis split from them if it didn't even exist?
yungpar3 1 month ago
Yurco 1989;
Trigger 1978; Keita 1990.. et al.,)... The peoples of
Egypt, the Sudan, and much of East African Ethiopia
and Somalia are now generally regarded as a Nilotic
continuity, with widely ranging physical features
(complexions light to dark, various hair and
craniofacial types) but with powerful common
cultural traits, including cattle pastoralist traditions.."
yungpar3 1 month ago
@yungpar3 cont . --(Frank Yurco, "An Egyptological Review," 1996 -in
Mary R. Lefkowitz and Guy MacLean Rogers, Black
Athena Revisited, 1996, The University of North
Carolina Press, p. 62-100)
Nilotics are black people you cant deny that
yungpar3 1 month ago
Europeans used the word Hamitic to refer to black Africans in general. When Eurocentrism and racism was born, they began to associate it with the curse of Ham and that all black people are cursed to be slaves. Later on when it was discovered that Hamitic people like the Egyptians were the founders of the earliest and most sophisticated civilizations, Western scholars changed the definition again to say that Hamites were black-skinned caucasoids whereas others in SubSahara were just negroids
yungpar3 1 month ago
Hold it right there! I just seen a somali not too long ago, he had very large lips and a broad forehead. So he's not a real somali then? What is a ethnically pure somali? If there are any left that is.. What does an ethnic somali look like? I'm not from africa so from my observation I would say that though somalis don't look like their black african neighbors, they show a slight african appearance. Get real!
MagicMutilator6000 1 month ago
@MagicMutilator6000 did i not tell you some people in somalia are not real somalis there are many tribes in somali who have different ancestry and they are only 5% of the population.95% of the population are ethnic somalis (Real Somalis). 5% of the population are not real somalis they either mixed with somali or have nothing to do with somalis hence why they look bantu or arab anywayz the guy you saw was a somali bantu they like to claim us alot while the arabs hate to claim us its funny
Tubemusic99 1 month ago
@MagicMutilator6000 Somali's are black the reason we look they way we do because we come from a arid climate while other africans are from a jungle like enviroment so certain traits they have we didn't need since we come from the sahara/savanna. Plus Somali's have a African skull cavity, a tropical bodyplan, buck teeth which is a form of prognathism, dark skin and are from hap group E which is a black hap group.
yungpar3 1 month ago
@yungpar3 Yea somalis are definitely black, they just look slightly different. They're more black/african looking than eritreans and ethiopians.
MagicMutilator6000 1 month ago
@MagicMutilator6000 lol leave her alone or she is gonna scream your a stalker and pray that god abondons you.
yungpar3 1 month ago
@yungpar3 She's gonna scream when I detect her IP address, find her home address and send somebody to forcibly put an HIV diseased dick in her ass hole. :)
MagicMutilator6000 1 month ago
@MagicMutilator6000 lol best post I have read all day
chibi171 1 month ago
We are a part of the Hamitic north, north-east, horn african race. The Hamitic Race.
Bountylicious 1 month ago
@Bountylicious Psh hamitic theory was debunked in the 60's drop that scientfic racism thats whites used to claim egypt they even said the dinka were white, now you know thats entirely stupid.
yungpar3 1 month ago
It seems, black africans and white europeans have been for decades trying claim Somalis for their black and white races. not only b/c of our god given beauty, but mostly for our incredible history, and our close family ie ancient egypt,north africa. truth is we are not a part of the same race as the Europeans or the congoid africans. dna and science have proved that as everyone knows by now.
Bountylicious 1 month ago
@Bountylicious I invite you to debate me on the "race" of Somalis because you are firmly stuck on debunked "hamitic and " coon" theory which was debunked in the 60's. Bottom line Somali's cluster more with tropical Africans and retain a tropical bodyplan (long limbed), African skull cavity (brain shape/size), Prognathism( buckteeth/overbite is a form of it now only big lips) and they belong to haplo group E which is native to Africa. Somali is a ethnic group not a race!!! go educate yourself.
yungpar3 1 month ago
@yungpar3 SMDH somali's split 5000-6000 years ago when e31b was entroduced in gene pool
yungpar3 1 month ago
@yungpar3 A study done in Human Heredity examined blood groups of Somalis, an East African population. They found little evidence of much Caucasoid admixture and found Somalis are much more related to other Africans, than Europeans or Middle Easterners.
The Somalis showed high levels of Type O, a pattern similar to many other African populations. It also showed small frequencies of blood type A2, supposedly a "special" type confined only to Europeans.
yungpar3 1 month ago
@yungpar3 cont. . In Africa however, A2 is anything but "special", and appears in Bantu and other black populations as well. Africa has the highest variant distribution of blood type A. In comparison with East Africans and other groups, the Somalis clustered closer to other Africans
yungpar3 1 month ago
There are no "white" africans, stop that! There are Indigenous Africans and then there are european and asiatic invaders. Other than that, you have the occasional albinos born to African parents, but they are still, genetically African, not "white" people.
keelamwri 1 month ago