American 77 Flight Path

[antoniodavirbrito]

NTSB shuold release the COCKIPT VOICE RECORDER of American flights 11and 77 , United flights 175 and 93

[megamogx]

/watch?v=j5FhQc-LJ-o

/watch?v=5qFsjdymqSk

[revolutionaryact11]

it was a cruse missile for sher

[dennisjo88]

muchadoaboutnoting is that hardevidnce to onclude theat only because you think they dont ??

you are not an expert and a engeneer and you redecule all these evidence , and if you say there is no than you have not spend any time and are just not word to have a discusion with

[vkuhlem]

Why is the time seen in the video not matching the time as the plane hit the pentagon?

[muchadoaboutnoting]

Wow, I think that all the 911 Conspiracy people should spent their time and energy on REAL conspiracy's. Anyone who thinks that a gov't...especially the Bush gov't, could fake all of this and no one would ever come out and give it all up, is really really unwise and misguided.

[7digitalSunday]

It is just one more fact that doesnt match the "official story"

[turo63]

Why in the world would a terrorist in his right mind take this flight path  into the side of the pentagon.. Simply continue flying at more or less the original altitude and as you approach very close to the building simply drop vertically down into pentagon. .What am i missing here?

[muchadoaboutnoting]

@turo63 Because it's easier? These guys weren't experienced dive-bomb pilots. What way would you fly into a short building? Do you know the tell-tale signs of a false conspiracy theory? All facts and data diverge. Watergate? Converged. Fake moon mission? Diverges. 911? You should watch Noam Chomsky's 911 conspiracy response on Youtube.

[CarnivoreEschelon]

1.The Flight Data Recorder (FDR) of Flight 77 supports the official flight path

2.The Animation could not exist without the FDR data. The Flight animation is supposed to be a "reconstruction" based on the black box data (FDR), and yet it does not match the data found in the FDR for Flight 77.

[CarnivoreEschelon]

Pilots for turth recived preliminary FDR data that was not finalized and therefor any caulations from it are incorrect. It simply is not accurate and violates NSTB Aircraft Crash investigation standards to release theses sets as if they represent the tru path of flight 77.

[johndoeXLC]

@CarnivoreEschelon - The NTSB makes no such claim the data they are distributing through the FOIA to the public is incorrect or not complete. If they do, please show us where the NTSB makes such a claim. No such claim exists in their Flight Path Study nor FOIA Cover letters. The NTSB data does not support the govt story of an impact. The NTB/FBI refuse to comment.

[mythicshadowz]

fat lady sings

[howitzer24]

This animation shows it's impossible that the plane hit the light poles.

[onesliceshort]

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[unikron2001]

Then you are either blind or have had your eyeballs removed.

[Healtone]

It says "This animation is provided by the NTSB".

Is THIS animation provided by them. Or is the animation made by Johndoex based on the data from the Flight Data Recorder?

[CarnivoreEschelon]

@Healtone CIT and pilotsfor911truth misrepresented preliminary FDR data.

youtube com/watch?v=LkKR3Vg6d14

[Realizalize]

false, wrong, false, wrong;

we better find out. I think they hide their aces,

what evildoers should not know, and general

secrets, but not one of us, would get away with such a sloppy defense and a twisted explanation, not to talk about the investigation, not in such

in a competitive world and such sofisticated

electronic and technic.

[Rennpanzer]

Where is the victim DNA? Where is the attacker DNA? What happened to the tail, wings & 6 ton engines? Why didn't photos, taken shortly after the event, show building damage where the tail, wings, and 6 ton engines would have hit?

[revtrst]

Try harder next time. Lots of pictures of aircraft parts at the Pentagon.

[Rennpanzer]

Yes, there are pictures of airplane parts at the Pentagon. However, the only ones I've been able to find are of parts that were either small enough to be placed there by hand, or they were shots of parts from planes other than a 757. The fact still remains that NEVER have I or anyone I know seen or heard any accounts of passenger or hijacker DNA being recovered from that site. If you can provide a link to any info regarding this, I'd imagine A LOT of people would be interested.

[revtrst]

Show me which parts were not from a 757.

[Rennpanzer]

I asked you first. . . . .

[Mubble]

I love a good conspiracy theory but the idea that a plane didn't hit a pentagon is false. For every bit of evidence hinting that a plane wasn't invloved, there are a dozen pieces of evidence that prove it there was.

[911reset]

@freqeist1

still bigger than yours. it hurts, doesn't it?

when you're thinking, that is. right? dumbass.

[sowhatsthatthere]

I keep reading that there was no lawn damage. There WAS lawn damage. It's just that it ocurred before the plane hit. Like the debris pattern and the clock on the video.....out of chronological order. You guys keep forgeting that you are dealing with quantum physis. I'm talking about the brown strip on the lawn that you can see on google earth 4 days before 911.

[freqeist1]

conspiricists:

God bless their tiny little minds.

[Airportchris2]

The Pentagon was not hit by a plane simple as that, my discussions with 757 pilots, and copilots have proven that, they say this whole 757 hitting the Pentagon is a load of shit.

[Airportchris2]

Yea, none show a 757, my dad works on aircraft, he says that none of them show a 757, at all.

[jizzmonger]

You and I both know that you have never talked to, let alone have access to any "757 pilots".

[Airportchris2]

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

[jizzmonger]

And make sure you explain the lime-green primer on the inside of the hull of the 707 that I posted.

Thanks Argahsa!

[jizzmonger]

Argahsa.

I found this picture of 707 fuselage piece and it has lime-green primer in it.

When did Boeing discontinue building the 707 and when did they start building the 767 and when was the 767 in question here built?

h t t p : / / farm1 . static . flickr .c o m / 164/432082659 _ 3bbc73366e . j p g?v=0

[jizzmonger]

Ah, so the pieces were planted in malaise after the crash?

What about the videos of the plane striking the pentagon, the huge fireball and all the pictures of engines and such inside the pentagon?

And of course the eyewitness accounts of the flyover and plane striking it.

[jizzmonger]

Ah, so you are saying the coating on the inside of the fuselage was not used at the time the plane was supposedly built.

Ok good, evidence.

What is the build date of those particular pieces of the plane and when did they start using that coating?

[jizzmonger]

Ah of course, so no Plane must have hit the Pentagon.

Great work!

What about all the Plane parts found inside, the huge fireball and videos, eyewitness accounts and videos of the plane hitting the building?

[callumserberus]

the simple fact is is that it is the most guarded building possibly in the world. no fighter planes were scrambled up there, there's no way a plane can fit in that size hole and none of the videos of the alleged 'crash' have been released to the public. geee 8 )

[badger634]

How does the FDR note altitude? Do they just use the plane's altimeter? If so, it could be off by a bit, since I'm guessing that the hijackers didn't take the time to update their altimeter for the atmospheric pressure in Washington.

[jizzmonger]

What the fuck did this video show?

[CausticLogic911]

it shows the flight path accurately playing out acc. to the FDR of 77, but over a ground map that's all wrong. The grid is oriented to magnetic north and the final map is placed wrong and rotated 7 deg CCW from the grid, which is why it APPEARS to pass north of the Citgo. The data shows it ending about a mile before the pictured location on a heading of 70 mag. The dial is right, the visual path wrong. It is NTSB, and who knows why they did it this way...

[jizzmonger]

Am I supposed to have an epiphany or something?

[CausticLogic911]

If you believe JDX's interpretation that this is the real data on-screen and the rest faked, I think you're supposed to.

JDX: "The animation heading (instrument reading) was altered to show a southern approach. If the heading wasnt altered it would show 090 Mag or 080 True. Just as the plot shows to the north of Citgo."

He's got it backwards and since he's always yammering about his expertise, then I doubt it was accidental.

[djjimi]

"The dial is right, the visual path wrong. It is NTSB, and who knows why they did it this way..."

Because they didn't, that's why. You truly believe that the NTSB would make an error this blatant in regards to any FDR simulation, let alone this one?

[zzoot]

"particularly the Pentagon and Shanksville"

Of course you feel that way since there is scant video of it. The WTC however was filmed in multiples.

[stillirise83]

Even if the flight path for the data recorder was the same as the official story, the plane would have still been too high to have hit those poles. I for one believe that planes were hijacked and crashed, its just that the so called 'information' about them is so crappy. Particularly the Pentagon and Shanksville.

[elladomtender]

No he is suggesting that the data shows a completely different course than the "official story" which exposes yet another lie. He hasnt once said it was the FDR from the American airliner because he does not believe it hit the Pentagon. It was most likely the FDR from a millitary aircraft. Rolls Royce have admitted that the parts found at the scene wre NOT parts from their 757 engines they nanufacture! Digest that!

[PoetryHoundisashill]

"The system, known as the Joint Precision Approach and Landing System, or JPALS, works with the Global Positioning System (GPS) satellite constellation. JPALS is a joint Department of Defense (DoD) development to provide an all weather, all mission, all user capability for the U.S. Air Force, Navy, Army and Marine Corps."

[Raistlen007]

I'm sorry that you know next to nothing about aircraft navigation and FMC. The INS (nav system) is completely independent. All you need is to type in the coordinates into the FMC which can be prepared weeks in advance, punch it in, hit LNAV and the autopilot will take you there.

[tjf4375]

wouldn't even have had to do that. Just inserting the ICAO for La Guardia or JFK would have taken them straight to within visual range

[Raistlen007]

The FMC differentiates between airport ICAOs and other nav markers. Punching in the ICAO would require you to pick a runway and an approach pattern. Putting in any VOR, NDB or station waypoint marker would be simpler, and if you put in an altitude constraint the VNAV would build a descent path.

[Zulu424]

wow, there are so many dumb people commenting on this, first of all the pilot's name was Hani Hanjour. He was a shitty pilot. I want to know where you got the info that he had 5 years commercial flight experience. Second, planes can pierce through steel and concrete, if there going fast enough which they were.

if you have any other questions go to the facebook group-> 9/11:What Really Went On

and for the love of god, do some research before you post shit on here

[teamspirit2012]

A jetliner's wings colliding with light poles would immediately rip the wings from the fuselage exploding in a massive fireball. Besides, only a laser guided missile could have hit the Pentagon with such pin-point accuracy. Same as with the Towers; planes cannot pierce through steel and concrete. Any questions?

[BoeingRules]

Hell no! the pilot hijacker (I'm still looking for his name) for American 77 was the best pilot Osama Bin Laden can offer, he was already trained by commercial airlines and had over 5 years of experience. Unlike the other pilots like Jarah, Atta, etc. whom received only private experience in flight schools. By the way, the towers are extremely easy targets, they are tall, wide, and can be seen from miles away on clear day like 9/11. Any questions now Loose Brains?

[martic1280]

great job

[chrissarns]

Oops!

[MarkB1ngham]

FBI have released the confiscated 9/11 gas staion CCTV security film? has its authenticity been verified by more than 2 independent labs? otherwise I'm not buying it.

[johndoeXLC]

Gas station video was released. Very poor quality and shows nothing. Supposedly they are going to release a video from the Doubletree hotel soon. Should be able to find it through google.

[MarkB1ngham]

Over five years and they STILL refuse to release the gas station, Sheraton hotel, freeway or Pentagon CCTV footage of whatever hit the Pentagon 9/11. Enough said really.

[BoeingRules]

They did idiot, but their angles cannot get the view of the crash. The videos were released when that Massaoui dude was on trial.

[johndoeXLC]

Also, if you need proof that it came from the NTSB, follow the link in the decription to the pilotsfor911truth forums (found on main page) American 77 section to see the NTSB cover letters posted via The Freedom Of Information Act.

[johndoeXLC]

I didnt plot the animation. The NTSB did. Based on the Flight Data Recorder, Radar reconstruction, and ATC transmission recordings.

[daytraderaz]

Where is the proof that you have plotted this animation correctly?

[JaneDoex911]

Thanks JDX, good stuff. It seems the "officials" in government land can't get the official story straight after 5+ years.

[jtt4071981]

Debunkers want solid evidence, well, here it is.

[FenderHighway1]

astounding!