@Francesko263 That is entirely wrong. The dialect is without a doubt a high-german one. (arround the area of Fulda). Look up old continental saxon. The scribe was influenced by the scripture of Anglo-saxon runes(for the monastary Fulda was founded by a missionary from britain). Also he had scarce knowledge in real continental saxon, as can be observed by his bad transition of consonant-shifting rules. The words however are high-german, close related to old bavarian and Lombard.
Das ist falsch. Der Begriff vom Singen war in Mittelalter, Spätantike und Antike etwas anders als unser heutiger. Die meisten Lieder wurden hier mal gesungen, da mal rezitiert. Da gab es keine festen Richtlinien. Denn auch die hohe Kunst der Dichtung und des rezitierens war dem Gesang zugeordnet. ;)
ich verstehe, das warn texte mit rhythmus&melodie damit man sichs leichter merken kann aber man musste nicht unbedingt die singstimme auspacken um den feinen herrschaften einen netten abend zu bereiten.
By the Way all of you who claime to be a descendent of Hildebrand...Hildebrand was not his Family Name...and it isa proven fact that the Storyline is of Proto-Indo-Germanic Origin...at least 13000 Years ago...your claims are ridciulous...
Hildebrand is a Common Family Name...and "NO Single One " of that Family is a Descendent...
@HojoOSanagi maybe mathematically...but still not proven ( even can not be) nor is it logically prooven or provable...where is the scientific- genetic evidence....my Mother´s Maiden Name is Christ...does this mean I ´am a descendant od Jesus and God?
To everyone claiming descendance of "the Hildebrands": your claims are worth jack shit. Hildebrand was an extremely common Old High German name and doesn't indicate any descendance from a distinct Hildebrandt mentioned in some song. It's as stupid as claiming descendance from a "Miller" or "Smith".
btw, it was written in 800-900 ad, that would be about 35 generations, THAT would mean 2 to the power of 36 = 68 719 476 736 ancestors (about 69 BILLION people :) ). It would be pretty hard to find someone who's NOT descendent of one of those :)
Yeah, my whole family is of northeast German (Ostpreussen) and southern-irish decent, my parents being the first born here in the US. I still consider myself American, but I think it is great to be fascinated and to know about your heritage and family history. It is I believe over 50% of people in the US have German heritage... either way, I study middle high german and old high german, and it is incredibly interesting to me...
My family came from Mecklenburg (pre-union with Pomerania), Hamburg, and Westphalia. As far as I know, they were all dirt poor farmers (that's what they were when they came to America anyway). I'm an American, but I'm German-American, and proud of it.
wenn man den text sieht, versteht man doch ein kleines Bisschen. Sprachlich ist viel schwieriger, aber versteht man auch teilweise was. Natürlich muss man sehr gute Sprachkenntnise haben, um es nur teilweise zu verstehen.
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I AM of the Hildebrand line thru my father: (Grandpa) Heinrich Reimer married (Grandma) Marie Hildebrand. I have been fascinated by this poem ever since I discovered it.
@xaranduhr I read somewhere once that the -brand in the names of this lay are of Langobardic origin. As far as I know, there aren't really any descendants of them. There's also no evidence that the Hildebrand in this lay ever existed.
Hildebrand is a character from Germanic legend. Hildebrand is the modern German form of the name: in Old High German it is Hiltibrant and in Old Norse Hildibrandr. The word hild means "battle" and brand means "sword". The name itself is very likely of Langobard origin.[1]
Hildebrandslied is not only old high german, but a mixture of old high german and old saxon. There are many words from norse origin and some elements of longobardic language and gothic language. Old high german is very different from this lied
As old high german is a germanic language, similarities in vocabulary and grammar with other germanic languages (especially gothic, which is very close to the common old germanic language) are not that surprising.
It is true though that the Hildebrandtslied is a rather crude mixture between old bavarian and old saxon (maybe because the old saxon writer wasn't very comfortable with the high german languages).
That the old saxon writer was not very comfortable with the high german languages would explain why he wrote letters, which were not usual in high german, especially in a high german copy of the 10th century. I'd rather doubt that the writer just used for example the W-rune of the original.
Hildebrandlied is not written in old high german, but in old saxon.
Francesko263 4 months ago
@Francesko263 That is entirely wrong. The dialect is without a doubt a high-german one. (arround the area of Fulda). Look up old continental saxon. The scribe was influenced by the scripture of Anglo-saxon runes(for the monastary Fulda was founded by a missionary from britain). Also he had scarce knowledge in real continental saxon, as can be observed by his bad transition of consonant-shifting rules. The words however are high-german, close related to old bavarian and Lombard.
000000AEA000000 2 weeks ago
aber dieses lied ist GESUNGEN worden und nicht rezitiert - der urheber lächte sich sicher nen ast ab wenn er dem professor zuhören könnte
petercrusoe 11 months ago
@petercrusoe
Das ist falsch. Der Begriff vom Singen war in Mittelalter, Spätantike und Antike etwas anders als unser heutiger. Die meisten Lieder wurden hier mal gesungen, da mal rezitiert. Da gab es keine festen Richtlinien. Denn auch die hohe Kunst der Dichtung und des rezitierens war dem Gesang zugeordnet. ;)
MadHog 9 months ago
@MadHog
ich verstehe, das warn texte mit rhythmus&melodie damit man sichs leichter merken kann aber man musste nicht unbedingt die singstimme auspacken um den feinen herrschaften einen netten abend zu bereiten.
petercrusoe 8 months ago
@petercrusoe Sehr richtig, ja. Es war halt wild durcheinander zwischen Rezitieren und Singen. Beides war gut möglich.
MadHog 8 months ago
ThePhilipski 1 year ago 7
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kronabch 1 year ago
Meine güte was flache Kommentare!
Nibelungenlied = middle high german
Hildebrandslied = old saxon without norse influences.
Mal bischen forschen Leute!
peterhilterhaus 1 year ago
I forgot to mention that Nibelungenlied is written in old high german.
Francesko263 1 year ago
Hildebrandlied is not written in AHD. It is written in old saxon with norse influences.
Francesko263 1 year ago
ib.hu-berlin.de/~hab/arnd/
da habt ihr eine übersetzung vom hildebrandlied
elSuicidio 1 year ago
Herr Professor Ehrentölpel.
PROSPE78 1 year ago
niemals latein gelernt aber ich hör es raus
dz1ne11pott 1 year ago
@dz1ne11pott Wo willst du hier "Latein" heraushorchen?
HamitVucutcu 1 year ago
@dz1ne11pott
Da ist gar kein Latein bei.
MadHog 9 months ago
kann es fast verstehen(und ich bin ami)
MrMarxwasright 1 year ago
Darth Vader war der erste Hildebrand - er sagte dem Luke: "I am your father!"
Wedneswere 1 year ago
Hochinteresssant ich habe mir garnie so Gedanken über die Herkunft der deutschen Sprache geemacht danke fürs hochladen :)
Helvetiapro 1 year ago
viel schöner als das heutige Deutsch..
austrianboy91 2 years ago
schade, dass ich eigentlich nichts verstehe...
Cephaeus 2 years ago
musste googlen gib einfach dies ein "menhir-hildebrantslied übersetzung" da müsstes du was finden
Hardstyle89666 1 year ago
ich danke dir
Cephaeus 1 year ago
kein ding^^
Hardstyle89666 1 year ago
@Cephaeus
Nein. Das wird man nicht verstehen. Das ist sicherlich eine vollig andere Sprach.'
shirleystemple 1 year ago
ja cih weiß um was es geht...wir hams ja schließlich "überstezt"
ich kanns mir einfach nciht merken=(
MrsHonigkuchenpferd 2 years ago
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so ein scheiß...den müll darf ich bis zeile 22 auswendig lernen:(
ich hasse die 11.
MrsHonigkuchenpferd 2 years ago
Ist doch schön! Wäre mir allemal lieber gewesen als der Blödsinn, den wir statdessen gemacht haben.
Verstehst du überhaupt, worum es da geht?
AndreR241 2 years ago 2
das darf ich für die schule lernen, 11. klasse oberstufe - geil -.-
urdanien 2 years ago
thx
MDGsoldieroffortune 2 years ago
vielen Dank für´s hochladen !
DieYnge 2 years ago
ich versteh nur en paar wörter^^
TheObscurio 2 years ago
GENIAL! GENIAL! GENIAL! Kein weiterer Kommentar mehr nötig!
orthoff123 2 years ago 3
Danke fürs hochladen!
arktischeSonne 2 years ago
By the Way all of you who claime to be a descendent of Hildebrand...Hildebrand was not his Family Name...and it isa proven fact that the Storyline is of Proto-Indo-Germanic Origin...at least 13000 Years ago...your claims are ridciulous...
Hildebrand is a Common Family Name...and "NO Single One " of that Family is a Descendent...
ThomasRenneis 2 years ago 5
@ThomasRenneis
Actually, mathematically nearly all European peoples would be related to Hildebrand so all of their claims are probably right.
HojoOSanagi 3 days ago
@HojoOSanagi maybe mathematically...but still not proven ( even can not be) nor is it logically prooven or provable...where is the scientific- genetic evidence....my Mother´s Maiden Name is Christ...does this mean I ´am a descendant od Jesus and God?
ThomasRenneis 3 days ago
by the way...I´ve got a cross...a Bible....AND A FISH to prove that!*lol*
ThomasRenneis 3 days ago
Sommersemester wird mit SS abgekürzt da den Studenten als Einzigen erlaubt wurde, nach dem 2ten Weltkrieg dieses Kürzel zu verwenden.
(Diese Abkürzung für das Sommersemester hat nichts mit Schutzstaffel zu tun)
......................
Habe die Infos über das Tonband nicht gelesen, da sie nicht am Anfang kam und ich nur den Ton angehört habe!
Robwik 2 years ago
@Robwik
Schutzstaffel ? rofl, SS= Schwarze Sonne und NICHT Schutzstaffel.
AshtarKommando 1 year ago
@AshtarKommando :D
Nein, es heißt Schutzstaffel, du Flachpfeife.
MadHog 9 months ago
Der vorgelesene Text entspricht der althochdeutschen Lautung. Leider wird nicht die ursprüngliche Lautung vorgelesen.
Ouzomeister 2 years ago
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Ouzomeister 2 years ago
To everyone claiming descendance of "the Hildebrands": your claims are worth jack shit. Hildebrand was an extremely common Old High German name and doesn't indicate any descendance from a distinct Hildebrandt mentioned in some song. It's as stupid as claiming descendance from a "Miller" or "Smith".
Gonnakillyou 2 years ago
abgesehen davon dass es ne sage is....
soNervig 2 years ago
btw, it was written in 800-900 ad, that would be about 35 generations, THAT would mean 2 to the power of 36 = 68 719 476 736 ancestors (about 69 BILLION people :) ). It would be pretty hard to find someone who's NOT descendent of one of those :)
soNervig 2 years ago
Oh pretty much, but you're actually just reinforcing my statement.
Gonnakillyou 2 years ago
that was my intention
soNervig 2 years ago
Oh, well then. It was a bit unclear.
Gonnakillyou 2 years ago
I am a Hildebrand and desendent of the original line. I have the family coat of arms to prove it.
Laughingbear1960 2 years ago
americans are just hillarious: :D
c0nconc0n18 2 years ago 3
This is nothing, you should hear how many Anglo-Americans claim to be Cherokee Indian.
abstractthreat 2 years ago 3
Yeah, my whole family is of northeast German (Ostpreussen) and southern-irish decent, my parents being the first born here in the US. I still consider myself American, but I think it is great to be fascinated and to know about your heritage and family history. It is I believe over 50% of people in the US have German heritage... either way, I study middle high german and old high german, and it is incredibly interesting to me...
tazzdevil24 2 years ago
My family came from Mecklenburg (pre-union with Pomerania), Hamburg, and Westphalia. As far as I know, they were all dirt poor farmers (that's what they were when they came to America anyway). I'm an American, but I'm German-American, and proud of it.
abstractthreat 2 years ago 2
kannst du aber auch normales Deutsch? hehehe
Achimenchtung 2 years ago
oh my God Laughingbear1960 ...in another Vid you claimed to be a descendent of Charlemagne.......are you kind´a retarted?
ThomasRenneis 2 years ago
Wer liest das denn vor?°^^
Robwik 3 years ago
Bist du blind? Steht doch die ganze zeit unten.
Tonband
Prof. Jost Trier
SS 1965: mhd. Epik.
Nur wofür „SS hier steht Die einzige Bedeutung die ich kenne, gab es nacht 1945 offiziell nicht mehr. ^^
Evi1M4chine 2 years ago
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Robwik 2 years ago
nioman diutit uns cuoni doh uuîslîh lûta dera diutiscun zungun
Drrusss 3 years ago
es sollte noch uns´re sprache noch sein....man hört es suppa!
Achimenchtung 3 years ago
aber versteht man es auch? ^^
Evi1M4chine 2 years ago
wenn man den text sieht, versteht man doch ein kleines Bisschen. Sprachlich ist viel schwieriger, aber versteht man auch teilweise was. Natürlich muss man sehr gute Sprachkenntnise haben, um es nur teilweise zu verstehen.
Grüssen aus Bayern...
Achimenchtung 2 years ago
HAHAHA! Of the Hildebrand line! Go on dreaming!
BadischerDragoner 3 years ago 4
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I am,and I do...
vaygar 3 years ago
Maybe of A Hildebrand line...but not of THAT! XD
BadischerDragoner 3 years ago 4
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I AM of the Hildebrand line thru my father: (Grandpa) Heinrich Reimer married (Grandma) Marie Hildebrand. I have been fascinated by this poem ever since I discovered it.
vaygar 3 years ago
äähhh this hase nothing to say............hildebrand is a normal german name, named by the hero hildebrand.... :)
you really believed, that hildebrand is one of your ancients??
xaranduhr 3 years ago 4
Named by the hero Hildebrand?
Gonnakillyou 2 years ago
Heheheheheheeeeeeeeee....
xx'D
1aeh 2 years ago
@xaranduhr Mein Name ist Hase und ich weiß von nichts.
Gonnakillyou 1 year ago
@xaranduhr I read somewhere once that the -brand in the names of this lay are of Langobardic origin. As far as I know, there aren't really any descendants of them. There's also no evidence that the Hildebrand in this lay ever existed.
GotischOberst 8 months ago
@xaranduhr Found it. :D
en[dot]wikipedia[dot]org/wiki/Hildebrand
Hildebrand is a character from Germanic legend. Hildebrand is the modern German form of the name: in Old High German it is Hiltibrant and in Old Norse Hildibrandr. The word hild means "battle" and brand means "sword". The name itself is very likely of Langobard origin.[1]
GotischOberst 8 months ago
Übelst geil
KarabinerM1898kurz 3 years ago
Hildebrandslied is not only old high german, but a mixture of old high german and old saxon. There are many words from norse origin and some elements of longobardic language and gothic language. Old high german is very different from this lied
goodsoninc 3 years ago
As old high german is a germanic language, similarities in vocabulary and grammar with other germanic languages (especially gothic, which is very close to the common old germanic language) are not that surprising.
It is true though that the Hildebrandtslied is a rather crude mixture between old bavarian and old saxon (maybe because the old saxon writer wasn't very comfortable with the high german languages).
Klopfer666 3 years ago
That the old saxon writer was not very comfortable with the high german languages would explain why he wrote letters, which were not usual in high german, especially in a high german copy of the 10th century. I'd rather doubt that the writer just used for example the W-rune of the original.
Malachayas 3 years ago