@ DocHoliday1882 "You got some mouth on you Mister! You say Intelligent debate! What makes you think you are intelligent? As it goes I am educated enough to know not to place my trust in the teaching in the Church Council of Nicaea 325 AD"
EDUCATED? i believe the correct word would be GULLABLE enough or IGNORANT or even BRAINWASHED. the trinity was taught well b4 325 proving u r totally CLUELESS! u don`t even know what an ANALOGY is an u hurl out insult at me ROFL.
First, you are using an inanimate, physical object to describe God. God is a Spirit and the bible says that He as an individual cannot be compared to anything of our imagination.
John 5:37 And the Father that sent me, he hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his form.
Isaiah 40:18 To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him?
@DocHoliday1882 "John 5:37 And the Father that sent me, he hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his form."
jn 14:9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me?
You got some mouth on you Mister! You say Intelligent debate! What makes you think you are intelligent? As it goes I am educated enough to know not to place my trust in the teaching in the Church Council of Nicaea 325 AD. Following tradition, you fail to use reason and think for yourself .So you appear rather weak, ignorant and shallow! Also by your writing in captials, proves you are not thinking rationally but are replying in anger.
Plus, as I have alreaddy explained, when Jesus speaks of our Father in heaven he is referring to Yahweh(YHWH).
Jesus is never called "GOD the Son." Being the Son of GOD, and being GOD the Son are two very different statements!!! The phrase "GOD the Son" does not exist in the Bible!!!
The living(true GOD) is the Father(Yahweh), not Jesus!!!
Jesus is the Son of the Most High, and the Father(Yahweh) is the Most High!!! Please read Revelation.1:1 and 1:6!!! Jesus has a GOD!!!
Plus, as I have alreaddy explained, when Jesus speaks of our Father in heaven he is referring to Yahweh(YHWH).
Jesus is never called "GOD the Son." Being the Son of GOD, and being GOD the Son are two very different statements!!! The phrase "GOD the Son" does not exist in the Bible!!!
The living(true GOD) is the Father(Yahweh), not Jesus!!!
Jesus is the Son of the Most High, and the Father(Yahweh) is the Most High!!! Please read Revelation.1:1 and 1:6!!! Jesus has a GOD!!!
@epic103 "Jesus is the Son of the Most High, and the Father(Yahweh) is the Most High!!! Please read Revelation.1:1 and 1:6!!! Jesus has a GOD!!!"
SO IS JESUS A TRUE GOD OR A FALSE GOD? WHAT U TEACH IS AN ANTI-CHRIST TEACHING. THE RELIGION U FOLLOW MOST LIKELY ORIGINATED IN THE USA. THE USA IS THE GREAT BEAST IN REV 13 AND IT IS NO WONDWER SO MANY FALSE RELIGIONS HAVE COME FROM THE US.
@epic103 "Remember, GOD gave the revelation to Jesus to pass down. Jesus has a GOD and is in subjection to GOD, even when he is in heaven!!!"
WHO`S SPIRIT IS THE HOLY SPIRIT?
OH U BETTER START ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS OR ELSE OUR DEBATE IS OVER. ARE U A JW? IF UR RELIGION COMES OUT OF THE BEAST EVERYTHING U SAY IS A LIE AND I`M JUST WAISTING MY TIME. I HAVE DEBATED MANY LIKE U SO IF U DON`T ANSWER MY QUESTIONS THE DEBATE IS POINTLESS AND U R NOT INTRESTED IN THE TRUTH.
However, Jesus is the Christ(Anointed) and represents GOD!!! So he is GOD in terms of representation!!! Jesus represents the Most High just as the Prophets did before him. Because Jesus as the Christ of GOD is greater than all the other Prophets!!!
When Jesus prayed, he prayed to his GOD(Yahweh, Father), not a trinity!!! GOD is the Father(Yahweh)!!! The GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the Father!!! Jesus has a GOD!!!
No, the anti-christ is the one who teaches something different or against what Christ did!!!
Those that don't remain in the teachings of Christ don't have GOD!!! 2John.1:9
The trinity doctrine is not something Jesus taught!!! Nowhere does Jesus teach that GOD is 3 persons!!! No one knew anything about GOD Almighty being a trinity, that concept was foreign to the Jews!!!
Jesus was clear, our GOD is the Father!!! The Father is greater than ALL!!!
@epic103 RIGHT LETS SETTEL THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL. TELL ME WHO IS UR JESUS. IS HE MICHAEL, IS HE ABADDON. AND I WILL WARN U ONE MORE TIME. START ANSWERING MY QUESTIPON OR ELSE I`LL HAVE TO BLOCK U COS UR IN LOOP MODE AND R JUST REPEATING THE SAME THINGS WITHOUT SUBSTANTIATING THEM.
SO START ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS. IM NOT INTRESTED ABOUT UR CUTE MIND CONTROLLED CATCH PHRASES I`M INTRESTED IN LOGIC AND TRUTH.
Arnie, I have already told you 10 times who Jesus is!!!
Jesus is the Christ(Messiah) of the living GOD!!! The LIVING GOD is the Father(Yahweh). The LORD of heaven & earth and the only true GOD is the Father(Yahweh).
Christ taught that the Father is the true GOD!!! Christ never taught that the true GOD is three persons!!!
The trinity is not a teaching of Christ!!!
The GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is Yahweh(the Father), not Jesus!!!
@epic103 "Arnie, I have already told you 10 times who Jesus is!!!Jesus is the Christ(Messiah) of the living GOD!!! The LIVING GOD is the Father(Yahweh). The LORD of heaven & earth and the only true GOD is the Father(Yahweh)."
pls stop being a TWIT! i asked u WHAT RELIGION DO U BELONG TO??? i also believe Christ is the messiah and that the Father is the only true God but clearly ur Jesus is different to mine. so AGAIN answer my questions or i`ll be force to BLOCK u for being DISHONEST.
any bet ur religion was founded by an american. is it not amazing how many CULTS and FALSE religions have come from america. ur avoiding my questions cos u r part of a LYING false religion with a FALSE Jesus and a FALSE gosple. gal 1:9 saya u r ANATHAMA!!!!
It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city from that day shall be, the LORD(Jehovah) is there. Ezekiel.48:35
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my GOD, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my GOD, and the name of the city of my GOD, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my GOD. Rev.3:12
The Father(Yahweh) is the GOD of Christ, and the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!!
@epic103 "No, the anti-christ is the one who teaches something different or against what Christ did!!!Those that don't remain in the teachings of Christ don't have GOD!!! 2John.1:9"
ppphahahaha my religion has lasted for 2000 yrs urs sprang up 150 - 50 yrs ago SO IS THE ONE TEACHING SOMETHING DIFFERENT?
@epic103 "No one knew anything about GOD Almighty being a trinity, that concept was foreign to the Jews!!!"
if there is ONE true God and Jesus is GOD and Jesus is ALMIGHTY matt 28:18 who is Jesus? only a blind fool would deny that He is not God. the jews didn't know alot of things that is why JESUS CAME DOWN TO E X P L A I N IT TO THEM!!!
Who is the Father??? Who is the GOD and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ???
Why would Jesus claim to be Yahweh in John.8:58, but in John.7:16 say that the teachings(doctrine) is NOT HIS???
Why would Jesus deny the teachings are his, if he's Yahweh??? In other words, why would Jesus admit to being Yahweh, but then turn around and say that what he teaches is not his own??? Unless he's not Yahweh!!!
@epic103 I HAVE TOLD U TIME AND TIME AGAIN , LOOK UP THE OFFICIAL EXPLINATION OF THE DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY. STOP ACTING FOOLISH. I AM TIRED OF REPEATING MYSELF OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN SO IF U REALLY WANT TO KNOW THEN LOOK IT UP. IF U JUST WANT TO BE A CHOP THEN PLS STOP COMMENTING ON THIS VIDEO.
1st. John.8:58 doesn't say that Jesus is Yahweh!!! You are talking that verse out of context, like all trinitarians do!!! Read John.8:40-54, where it shows a distinction between GOD and Jesus!!!
Jesus said, what I teach is NOT MINE, but belongs to the One that sent me. John.7:16 - Belongs to WHO???
2nd. Jesus said, I and the Father are ONE, not I and the Father are the same(equal). Being ONE with GOD doesn't mean EQUALITY!!!
Arnie, with all due respect, you never answer any questions!!!
Who is the Father??? Who is the GOD and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ???
Answer this, why would Jesus claim to be Yahweh in John.8:58, but in John.7:16 say that the teachings(doctrine) is NOT HIS???
Why would Jesus deny the teachings are his, if he's Yahweh??? In other words, why would Jesus admit to being Yahweh, but then turn around and say that what he teaches is not his own???
@epic103 "Arnie, with all due respect, you never answer any questions!!!
Who is the Father??? Who is the GOD and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ???"
that is becos u did`nt do what i told u to. i asked u to research what the trinity doctrine teaches. it tells u who the Father is and who the Son is etc. look it up!
"Answer this, why would Jesus claim to be Yahweh in John.8:58, but in John.7:16 say that the teachings(doctrine) is NOT HIS"
"Why would Jesus deny the teachings are his, if he's Yahweh??? In other words, why would Jesus admit to being Yahweh, but then turn around and say that what he teaches is not his own???"
There isn't one verse in the Bible where GOD ALMIGHTY says that He is three(trinity)!!! It never happened!!! The word "trinity" or the doctrine of the trinity was never taught by Jesus or anyone else!!!
According to Jesus, the one true GOD(Most High, Yahweh) is the Father!!!
It doesn't matter what Bible you want to use, the fact remains the GOD of the Lord Jesus Christ is Yahweh(Father, LORD).
@epic103 "There isn't one verse in the Bible where GOD ALMIGHTY says that He is three(trinity)!!! It never happened!!! The word "trinity" or the doctrine of the trinity was never taught by Jesus or anyone else!!! "
mat 10:20 (Father), mark 13:11(Holy Spirit) and lk 21:15 (Son)
ALL 3 VERSES R TALKING ABOUT THE SAME GOD. JESUS IS ALMIGHTY COS HE IS THE ALPHA AND OMEGA AND JESUS SAID I AND THE FATHER R ONE. THE ABOVE VERSES SHOW HOW HE WAS ONE. VIA THE HOLY SPIRIT.
@epic103 "It doesn't matter what Bible you want to use, the fact remains the GOD of the Lord Jesus Christ is Yahweh(Father, LORD).The trinity is a fallacy!!!"
WHAT RELIGION DO U BELONG TO? WATCH MY LATEST VIDEO ABOUT THE BEAST AND THEN ASK URSELF DOES UR RELIGION COME FROM THE BEAST?
Wrong!!! The context of John.4:23,24 is THE FATHER(Yahweh).
GOD(Father, Yahweh) is a Spirit, and those that worship GOD must worship Him in spirit and in truth!!!
The true GOD(Father, Yahweh) is a Spirit!!! The context of John.23,24 is THE FATHER, not Jesus!!!
Plus, Jesus makes clear that the LORD of heaven & earth and the only true GOD is THE FATHER!!! Jesus never said that GOD is a trinity(3). The true GOD is one(1), not three(3).
You ask the Holy Spirit of God for guidance to make the trinity understandable, yet what you should be doing is asking for the truth. Asking God to make everyone believe what you believe is the truth is ridiculous, it should be the other way around. Jesus is Gods sun, Yahweh is Gods name forever, Yehoshua(Jesus's name in Hebrew) means Yahweh is our salvation.
(Jesus's prayer)
John 17:3 This is eternal life, that they may know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
@oO0Briggs0Oo "John 17:3 This is eternal life, that they may know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."
and that is the precise reason u have no life in u cos u DON`T know the Son nor the Father. 2 thes 2:
10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie
@arnie365 Sir, I pray for help every day. I do my best to find the truth by believing what is spoken in the bible without any non-biblical doctrines added on, please show me a verse that says if I don't believe in the trinity that I am not saved.
The bottom line is, nowhere in the Bible is the EXPLICIT and CLEAR teaching that says GOD is a trinity(3).
Jesus taught that the true GOD and the LORD of heaven and earth is the Father(Yahweh). The trinity doctrine was never taught by Jesus or the Apostles!!! They understood that the only true GOD is Yahweh(Father, Most High). The trinity doctrine was foreign to the Jews!!!
Jesus is the Son of the Highest, NOT the Most High!!!
Blessed be the GOD and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. 1Peter.1:3 - THIS WAS WRITTEN AFTER THE RESURRECTION!!!
Grace, mercy, and peace, from GOD our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord. 1Timothy.1:2 - WHO is GOD our Father???
Jesus said, I ascend to your GOD and to my GOD. John.20:17 - WHO's GOD???
@epic103 bud u have the wrong idea of the trinity. educate urself in this department ie find out what the trinity docrine actually teaches then tell me how u understand it and i`ll help u with any querries u may have. but u first have to understand the concept of the trinity.
1st. Jesus is not the Alpha and Omega!!! His GOD and Father is!!!
2nd. Jesus is not part of a trinity!!! Jesus never mentions GOD being a trinity(3)!!! The word trinity, or the doctrine of the trinity is not found in the Bible!!! Nowhere in the Bible does GOD claim to be three!!!
3rd. All of the the verses after the resurrection show Jesus still has a GOD!!! Even in his exalted state in heaven Jesus still has a GOD and is in subjection to GOD. 1Cor.11:3, 15:27,28 etc...
@epic103 "1st. Jesus is not the Alpha and Omega!!! His GOD and Father is!!!"
wow u know very little about the bible don`t u? rev 21:"6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life."
@epic103 "2nd. Jesus is not part of a trinity!!! Jesus never mentions GOD being a trinity(3)!!! The word trinity, or the doctrine of the trinity is not found in the Bible!!! Nowhere in the Bible does GOD claim to be three!!!"
ACCORDING TO U BUT U DON`T EVEN KNOW THE BIBLE SO WHAT U SAY IS...WELL ... WORTHLESS.YES JESUS DID AND YES THE DOCRINE IS FOUND IN THE BIBLE AND YES BOTH JESUS AND GOD CLAIM TO BE THREE.
@epic103 "3rd. All of the the verses after the resurrection show Jesus still has a GOD!!! Even in his exalted state in heaven Jesus still has a GOD and is in subjection to GOD. 1Cor.11:3, 15:27,28 etc..."
I HAVE ALREADY EXPLAINED TO U THAT THE SON OF MAN HAD A GOD BUT JESUS` SPIRIT IS THAT GOD BUT I BET UR A JW COS U SEEM TO SHARE THEIR BRAINWASHED RATIONAL.
JESUS IS THAT GOD 1 PT 1:11 THAT IS Y YHWH CALLS HIM GOD AND Y THE WTS HAS TO MISTRANSLATE THAT VERSE.
@epic103 DOES UR RELIGION COME FROM AMERICA? IF IT DOES U MIGHT WANT TO WATCH MY LATEST VIDEO AND ASK URSELF HOW CAN ANYTHING THAT COMES OUT OF THAT WICKEDNESS BE THE TRUTH.
Ok verse 18 and 20, the "all things" indisputably refers to believers where Jesus is the "FIRSTBORN" of a new creation, the church or ecclesia (gk called out ones) and he is the HEAD.
v 15 is talking about the same thing, the firstborn of every creature (gk kitisis formation or creation) so Jesus is the firstborn of every creation in the ecclesia.
Like it or not that is the context.
therefore v16 by him or because of him the ecclesia was CREATED.
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. (Hebrews 1:2)
U R ANATHAMA ACCORDING TO GAL 1: 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
U PREACH A DISTORTED FALSE GOSPLE AND THERE4 ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES U R ANATHAMA
Mat 27:24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I AM innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
Act 10:21 Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said, Behold, I AM he whom ye seek: what is the cause wherefore ye are come?
By your reasoning Pilate and Peter are also God.
The name of God is first stated in ex 3v15 can you find it ?
Look seriously, You have been a good catholic lad upholding the triune God dogma,believing everthing the clergy says,afterall they have the theology qualification.
One day you might read the scriptures without the bias of the church dogma.
Think about this question.
Did Jesus come in the flesh? in the flesh means "as a human being.
So the question is, was Jesus a human being?
Have a look in the greek at the term "Come in the flesh" before you answer and be very careful what you say.
yes so did the pharasees find Jesus coments rude and insulting when He was teaching them the TRUTH.
"If there is one thing we can learn from Jesus its humility and some degree of toleration"
Jesus did NOT tolerate heretics and those who oppose the TRUTH and neither did His deciples go read what paul sid to the FALSE prophet bar-jesus and what Jesus said to the pharacees.
Try and get some credibilty in your argument by getting rid of the nonsence analogies,unsubstantiated claims about DNA and your simple mathematical logic.
Why dont you just read and quote the Bible?
First of all show us where the word TRINITY is found in the Bible.
Try to explain how Jesus died for our sins if he was in fact an IMMORTAL GOD?
If the ONE GOD died then WHO raised him from the dead.
Why is Jesus to be SUBJECT to his FATHER in the future? see 1 cor 15v28
@CamdenChristadelphia "Try and get some credibilty in your argument by getting rid of the nonsence analogies,unsubstantiated claims about DNA and your simple mathematical logic"
WHY ? cos u don`t have any logic? the anlogiies r there to help stuborn ppl like urself understand the trinity better.
"Why dont you just read and quote the Bible?"
i have also quoted the bible bt a blind person can`t c the obvious. come to the LIGHT of the world and u will c the truth.
@CamdenChristadelphia "First of all show us where the word TRINITY is found in the Bible."
sure no problem i`ll do so imidiatly after u show me the word bible in the scriptures. trinity discribes something just like bible does but if u lack logic u will never understand that.
@xu1997 "Great cop out arnie! You like many other theologians cannot explain the trinity so you resort to evasive answers.Well done"
what r u talking about? i have explained it. it`s like ur teacher talling u 1x1x1=1 and u say i don`t understand there r three 1`s how can it = 1. ur lack of understanding reflect on ur mental capacity not on my ability to explain.
@CamdenChristadelphia "Try to explain how Jesus died for our sins if he was in fact an IMMORTAL GOD?"
Jesus was both mortal man and immortal God. He died in His HUMAN nature which is MORTAL bt His Spirit , which is also the Spirit of the Father NEVER DIED!!!!!!!!!
"If the ONE GOD died then WHO raised him from the dead."
JESUS raised HIMSELF from the dead according to the scriptures. and God raised Him again PROVING Jesis IS GOD!!!
@CamdenChristadelphia "Your statement "Jesus is and was 100% man and 100% GOD!" is ridiculous at so many levels"
says someone who follows a CULT. it`s in the bible , it`s rediculous to u cos u follow fallable men and ignore the scritures. go read 2 thes 2 :10-11 it`s talking about YOU!!!
"Man is MORTAL and God is IMMORTAL. You cant be both,its a contradiction in terms"
Jesus was Son of MAN and Son of GOD. it`s a contradiction only to those that lack logic and understanding
@CamdenChristadelphia "Jhn 8v 58 I am is not the name of God. In chp9 v5 same I am"
according to u bt ur a CULT member so what u say hold NO water. there is a very clear link between jn 8:58 and ex 3:14 only a dishonest person would deny that. the jews even knew Jesus was making that association that is y they tried to stone Him.
@CamdenChristadelphia "Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, I am he. jn9v9 Same heb word in both instances which simply mean I am or I exist. It has nothing to do with the name of Godcheck the Hebrew dictionary!"
the same HEBREW word hey. wow no wonder u r a christdelphian. u r totally ignorant of the bible. the new testiment was witten in GREEK not hebrew. tell me y did they try to STONE Jesus when He said I AM in jn 8:58?
You are right!!!!!! I should have said Greek dictionary.Congratulations you caught me out.
But how about addressing the issue.
John 8.58 and john 9v9 do not show the name of God they simply mean "I am" and it is impossible to prove otherwise.
One other thing,can you try to improve your spelling.My 8 year old daughter was looking over my shoulder at this post and thought I was coresponding with a child.
@CamdenChristadelphia "John 8.58 and john 9v9 do not show the name of God they simply mean "I am" and it is impossible to prove otherwise"
NO it NOT. bud use a bit of comon sense, try reading things IN CONTEXT!!!! Ego eimi means I AM so there r many examples of ego eimi in the NT BUT the context in which Jesus used it in implied He was calling Himself YHWH. that is y they TRIED TO STONE HIM!!!! the jews KNEW what He was saying.
@CamdenChristadelphia "Thats your context.The real plot as to why the jews sought to kill Jesus because he was a threat."
THAT IS A LIE! the jews were very religious and were very concerned with obeying the law of moses now u show me where in the law of moses does it say that they can murder someone if they feel he is a "threat"?
THAT WOULD BE UNJUSTIFIED MURDER. WHERE IS UR LOGIC? also u say he was a threat for saying I AM hahahahahaha that rediculous come on.
@CamdenChristadelphia "The next point is ,he DIED, the MORTAL man DIED. The grave could not hold him as he was sinless."
THERE4 HE IS IMMORTAL!!! U LACK LOGIC WHICH IS VERY TYPICAL OF CULT MEMBERS
"His FATHER raised him and crowned him with immortality"
HE RAISED HIMSELF JN 2:19 AND JN 10:18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again.
@CamdenChristadelphia "The dead man raised himself, and you feel I lack logic!!!!????"
ur quite IGNORANT for someone who insults ppl about their intelligence. jn 2:
19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I ,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I ,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,Iwill raise it again in three days.” JESUS PROVES UR IGNORANCE
Act 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole
When someone is DEAD they are dead. They cant raised themself from the dead.
The verse above states that his FATHER raised him from the dead.
@CamdenChristadelphia "When someone is DEAD they are dead. They cant raised themself from the dead."
SO R U CALLING JESUS A LIAR? JN 2:19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I ,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I ,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I will raise it again in three days.”
@CamdenChristadelphia "Acts 4 v10 clearly states that "whom God raised from the dead""
AND JN 2:19 CLEARLY PROVES THAT JESUS IS A TRIUNE GOD
"Im not saying anything other than what is written. So what is being perverted here other than your responses?"
LIAR! WHAT IS WRITTEN IS THAT JESUS AND GOD RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD AND U R SAYING ONLY THE FATHER DID THERE4 U R PERVERTING THE TRUTH AND U R A FALSE TEACHER!!! AN ANATHAMA!!!
"Wrong again arnie,Jesus and his FATHER are NOT the same being."
SO THEN Y DO THEY SHARE THE SAME LIFE GIVING HOLY SPIRIT? 1 PT 1:11 JN 14:23 , ROM 8 AND GAL 4:6 ACTS 16:6,7 AND MANY MANY MORE VERSES SAYING THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD IS THE SPIRIT OF JESUS!!!!!!!!
"Jesus did NOT raise himself from the DEAD, HE SAYS his FATHER brought him back to LIFE."
UR QUITE THICK FOR SOMEONE WHO INSULTS PPL ABOUT THEIR INTELLIGENCE ARN`T U?
JN 10:17 The reason my Father loves me is that I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again
JN 10:17 The reason my Father loves me is that I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up but I lay it down of my own accord. I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again
JN 10:17 The reason my Father loves me is that I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again
I ASKED U IF U HONOUT THE SON LIKE THE FATHER? I WILL DELETE ALL UR FOLLOWING RESPONSES IF U DON`T ANSWER THIS QUESTION NEXT.
Wrong again arnie,Jesus and his FATHER are NOT the same being.
Jesus was MORTAL and he DIED. His FATHER is IMMORTAL and when Jesus DIED (DED-dead-meaning no longer alive) his FATHER who was ALIVE when Jesus was DEAD, RAISED him from DEATH back to LIFE.
Jesus did NOT raise himself from the DEAD, HE SAYS his FATHER brought him back to LIFE.
It was up to Jesus whether he was obedient unto death or exercised his OWN WILL (not his FATHERS will) and rebelled.
JN 10:18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I, have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again.
AGAIN JESUS DEBUNKS UR ANATHEMOUS AND HERETICAL BELIEF. U R AN ANTICHRIST AND A FALSE TEACHER AND SOON U WILL C THAT WHAT I SAID WAS TRUE, SOON , VERY SOON.
@CamdenChristadelphia "One other thing,can you try to improve your spelling.My 8 year old daughter was looking over my shoulder at this post and thought I was coresponding with a child."
thank u 4 the insult bt i am DYSLEXIC so just deal with it.
@CamdenChristadelphia "People were killed in the past because they didnt believe the flawed dogma of the trinity."
bud WAKE UP, the only ones that agree that the trinity is "flawed" are FALSE PROPHETS like the jw`s and those like them and FALSE teachers and cults like the one u r in. if the trinity is flawed then y did God allow it to be taught for 2000 yrs? it`s in the bible and only ppl who hate the truth like urself will deny this by TWISTING and DISTORTING the scriptures. jn 1:1, jn 8:58
@CamdenChristadelphia "Psa 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth"
THAT GOES WITH Through him [Jesus] all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. (John 1:3)
For by him [Jesus] all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. (Colossians 1:16)
Im really impressed at the grown up adult way you handle you replies.
If you take away you insults then there is not much intelligent discussion happening here.
I used to wonder how trinity believers could add verses to the Bible to enhance believability and then murder innocent people for not accepting the herecy.
Your attitude towards me shows me exactly how it could have happened.
These murderers also claimed to be true christians..
@CamdenChristadelphia ur such a HYPOCRITE! u complain about my insults yet u constantly insult me.
tell me where were christadelphians in history? NOWHERE !!!! they sprang up when darwinism, the occult and many cults sprang up. THEY R THE WEEDS JESUS TOLD US THE ENEMY WOULD PLANT AMONGST THE WHEAT. they r the birds (devil) Jesus told us would perch themselves in the branches of the mustard tree of christendom.
ur close to finding out how decieved u have been, u c in a few short years
Interestingly enough, the adoption of the Doctrine of the Trinity marks an tremendous change in Christian history. Prior to 325 A.D. Christians were persecuted by pagans, and others who rejected the exclusive Deity of Jesus Christ as God manifest in flesh. Within fifty years of the adoption of the doctrine of the Trinity, Trinitarian Christians were persecuting anyone who would not accept the doctrine of the Trinity. It seems to me like something went wrong.
"Christians were persecuted by PAGANS,AND OTHERS who REJECTED the exclusive Deity of Jesus Christ as God manifest in flesh."
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT U R DOING NOW SO U R PART OF THE "PAGANS AND OTHERS" WHO PERSECUTED THE EARLY CHURCH THAT CONFIRMING WHAT I`VE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG!
"Trinitarian Christians were persecuting anyone who would not accept the doctrine of the Trinity"
@CamdenChristadelphia u follow a man made truth rejecting cult repent for the LORD and GOD (jn 20:28 ) is coming and if u continue rejecting Him and hating Him u will be condemed to HELL.
i`m done debating with u, i`ve said what i have to say and i've showed u to be a HYPOCRITE and a FALSE teacher so that`s it. u follow a cult of about 50000 strong or should i say WEAK which is contray to the prophecy of Jesus which says His church will be the LARGEST in the garden !!!
@CamdenChristadelphia "He is saying, as Paul later confirms in Gal 3v 16, that he is the seed promised to Abraham.Therefore he is greater than Abraham.They didnt like that"
sorry but that is simply DAFT!!! the jews would not just stone someone for saying something they "did`nt like" that is against the LAW of moses bt they were within the law if they stoned someone for BLASPHEMY ie Jesus calling Himself God.
@CamdenChristadelphia "Did Jesus come in the flesh? in the flesh means "as a human being.So the question is, was Jesus a human being?Have a look in the greek at the term "Come in the flesh" before you answer and be very careful what you say."
Yes He did so what is ur point? and y r u ignoring me question about who is the word?
If Jesus came in the flesh then he was NOT immortal.
Jesus actually died,yes died,he gave up his life and by that I dont mean immortal soul.
Immortal soul, like trinity is not scriptual.
The idea of an "immortal soul" long predates the founding of today's major religions. The ancient Greek historian Herodotus (5th century B.C.) tells us in his History that the ancient Egyptians were the first to teach that the soul of man is separable from the body, and immortal.
@CamdenChristadelphia "Jesus prayed to HIS FATHER. It is a nonsence to pray to yourself"
that comment shows ur ignorance about the trinity.
"John 1 v1 says The word was God v 14 States that Jesus is NOT the word BUT the word made Flesh"
that is ur FOOLISH interpretation ALL credibale bible scholars admit that jn 1:1 and jn 1:14 are talking about Jesus. it`s only brainwashed cult member that come up with foolish interpretations like urs
@CamdenChristadelphia "Isaiah 9v6 says his name SHALL BE CALLED the mighty God not that he is almighty God. "
oh foolish, foolish blind one, matt 28:18 says Jesus has ALLLLLLL power and that is what almighty means ALL powerful. Jesus is also the Alpha and Omega who is ALMIGHY. the only other being called Mighty God is YHWH.
ur argument show u to be totally ignorant of the scriptures that is y ur a follower of the christedelphian CULT
Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is GREATER than I.
Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do NOTHING of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
WOW U R THICK! the dictionary does not say only if someone does not give all the power will that person be almighty it simply says ALL POWERFUL . what is wrong with u?
"because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is GREATER than I."
again showing ur biblical ignorance. hebrews 2 EVEN THE ANGELS WHERE GREATER THAN JESUS FOR A SHORT TIME. why cos He humbled Himself and became a lowly man.
"then Jesus who was dead raised himself from the dead....Does that make any sense to you arnie?"
what does it say in jn 2: 19 FOOL? who will raise Jesus in that verse? again proving ur biblical ignorance. what about jn 10 where Jesus says HE raises HIMSELF.
"It wasnt just his body Jesus GAVE UP HIS LIFE. SEE Matt 20V28"
what? His life what r u on about? when His body died He gave His life so what is ur point?
did His Spirit die? NO cos His Spirit is the IMMORTAL Holy Spirit of GOD! 1 pt 1:11
"If Jesus didnt actually die then we are still in our sins."
who said he did`nt die? ur spirit does not die the body dies.
"Amighty God is Spirit and does NOT have DNA. Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit"
so einsein tell me where did the other half of Jesus chromosomes come from? half where from Mary and the other half?????? How does Jesus look EXACTLY like His Father????
@CamdenChristadelphiaacts 13:8 But Elymas the sorcerer (for that is what his name means) opposed them and tried to turn the proconsul from the faith.9 Then Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked straight at Elymas and said, 10 “You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord?
YOU AND THE SORCERER R THE SAME I REBUKE U AS ST PAUL DID HIM
@CamdenChristadelphia "These are suppose to be spritual discussions not a forum for you to belittle people with your acid tongue."
UR PERVETING THE WORD OF GOD. U CALIM THE WORD WAS NOT JESUS U CLAIM THAT ISA 9:6 IS NOT SAYING JESUS IS GOD U R A LIAR AND A FALSE PROPHET JESUS WARNED US ABOUT. U HATE THE TRUTH AND THAT IS Y GOD HAS SENT HIS JUDGEMENT ON U.
The Almighty God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob is NOT a pen. He is NOT ice,steam and water and he is not a mathematical equation (1x1x1=1)
Stick to what he reveals himself as in Isa 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me.
He was Jesus God as well as his FATHER
Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me
@CamdenChristadelphia pls b4 u embarass urself any further go look up what an ANALOGY is. I never said He was a pen did I?
"Stick to what he reveals himself as in Isa 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me."
EXACTLY! so how do u explain isa 9:6 where Jesus is THE MIGHTY GOD and jn 1:1 where the scripture says Jesus IS GOD? if the scriptures say there is ONLY one God and it says Jesus IS God then Jesus has to be THAT ONLY GOD!!!! simple logic !1x1x1=1 GOD!
shame! typical for a non triniterian. u have NO clue as to what the trinity is. 3 persons in ONE God!!!
u mighty want to read 1 pt 1:11 where is says that God`s Spirit is Jesus` Spirit there4 they are ONE GOD!!!
Jesus is God see JN 1:1 , 8:58, 20:28, 10:?,isa 9:6, rev 1:8,21:6,22:12 titus 2:13. Jesus is and was 100% man and 100% GOD! think in terms of DNA? His man dna comes from Mary and His God DNA comes from His FATHER
@CamdenChristadelphia AS 2 THES 2:10-11 SAYS U PERISH COS U FAIL TO BELIEVE THE TRUTH AND THAT IS Y GOD SENDS U A POWERFUL DELUSION THAT U BELIEVE A LIE!!!!!!
Satan is having a great time creating chaos here. Let's stay focused on the word of God. Thank you for the great pen analogy, I loved it. I also loved the H2o analogy of water, steam and ice. Continue to deliver the one true word, Thank you, Father God, for leading me to this great link.
@ DocHoliday1882 "You got some mouth on you Mister! You say Intelligent debate! What makes you think you are intelligent? As it goes I am educated enough to know not to place my trust in the teaching in the Church Council of Nicaea 325 AD"
EDUCATED? i believe the correct word would be GULLABLE enough or IGNORANT or even BRAINWASHED. the trinity was taught well b4 325 proving u r totally CLUELESS! u don`t even know what an ANALOGY is an u hurl out insult at me ROFL.
arnie365 4 days ago
First, you are using an inanimate, physical object to describe God. God is a Spirit and the bible says that He as an individual cannot be compared to anything of our imagination.
John 5:37 And the Father that sent me, he hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his form.
Isaiah 40:18 To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him?
DocHoliday1882 1 week ago
@DocHoliday1882 "First, you are using an inanimate, physical object to describe God"
i would kindly advise u 2 look up what an ANALOGY is so that u avoid looking dumb.
"God is a Spirit and the bible says that He as an individual cannot be compared to anything of our imagination."
well what is that problem cos i did`nt COMPARE Him to anything i simply made an ANALOGY to discribe the trinity in simple terms.
arnie365 6 days ago
@DocHoliday1882 "John 5:37 And the Father that sent me, he hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his form."
jn 14:9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me?
arnie365 6 days ago
@DocHoliday1882 "Isaiah 40:18 To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him?"
if u would like to have an intelligent debate pls EDUCATE urself about what an ANALOGY is or else u run the risk of looking IGNORANT.
arnie365 6 days ago
You got some mouth on you Mister! You say Intelligent debate! What makes you think you are intelligent? As it goes I am educated enough to know not to place my trust in the teaching in the Church Council of Nicaea 325 AD. Following tradition, you fail to use reason and think for yourself .So you appear rather weak, ignorant and shallow! Also by your writing in captials, proves you are not thinking rationally but are replying in anger.
DocHoliday1882 6 days ago
which bible version you read?here on this video?
jason9528 2 months ago
@jason9528 niv.
arnie365 1 month ago
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Plus, as I have alreaddy explained, when Jesus speaks of our Father in heaven he is referring to Yahweh(YHWH).
Jesus is never called "GOD the Son." Being the Son of GOD, and being GOD the Son are two very different statements!!! The phrase "GOD the Son" does not exist in the Bible!!!
The living(true GOD) is the Father(Yahweh), not Jesus!!!
Jesus is the Son of the Most High, and the Father(Yahweh) is the Most High!!! Please read Revelation.1:1 and 1:6!!! Jesus has a GOD!!!
epic103 5 months ago
Plus, as I have alreaddy explained, when Jesus speaks of our Father in heaven he is referring to Yahweh(YHWH).
Jesus is never called "GOD the Son." Being the Son of GOD, and being GOD the Son are two very different statements!!! The phrase "GOD the Son" does not exist in the Bible!!!
The living(true GOD) is the Father(Yahweh), not Jesus!!!
Jesus is the Son of the Most High, and the Father(Yahweh) is the Most High!!! Please read Revelation.1:1 and 1:6!!! Jesus has a GOD!!!
epic103 5 months ago
@epic103 "Jesus is never called "GOD the Son." Being the Son of GOD,"
YHWH CALLS JESUS "OH GOD!!!".
U CONSTANTLY HIDE UR RELIGION, WHY? COS U R IN A CULT. AN ANTI-CHRIST CULT THAT IS Y U CAN`T EVEN BOLDLY PROCLAIM UR FAITH.
"The living(true GOD) is the Father(Yahweh), not Jesus!!!"
JESUS IS THE ALPHA AND OMEGA AND TYE ALPHA AND OMEGA IS ALMIGHTY GOD PERIOD! ANYTHING ELSE IS DECEPTION FROM SATAN.
arnie365 5 months ago
@epic103 "Jesus is the Son of the Most High, and the Father(Yahweh) is the Most High!!! Please read Revelation.1:1 and 1:6!!! Jesus has a GOD!!!"
SO IS JESUS A TRUE GOD OR A FALSE GOD? WHAT U TEACH IS AN ANTI-CHRIST TEACHING. THE RELIGION U FOLLOW MOST LIKELY ORIGINATED IN THE USA. THE USA IS THE GREAT BEAST IN REV 13 AND IT IS NO WONDWER SO MANY FALSE RELIGIONS HAVE COME FROM THE US.
arnie365 5 months ago
@arnie365
Jesus is the Son(Christ) of the true GOD!!!
The true GOD is the Father(Yahweh, Most High).
The kings of the earth take their stand, and the rulers gather together against the LORD(Yahweh), and against his Christ(Jesus). Acts. 4:26
In other words, Jesus is the Christ of THE LORD!!! The Father(Yahweh) is THE LORD!!!
epic103 5 months ago
@epic103 is Jesus a TRUE God or a FALSE god? and tell me y is Jesus ALMIGHTY and the Alpha and Omega?
arnie365 5 months ago
@arnie365
No, Jesus is not the Alpha and Omega!!! His GOD is!!!
The Father is Yahweh(GOD)!!! This is clearly established throughout the Scriptures!!!
The Father is THE LORD, the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!!!
Jesus is the Son of the Highest, but the Highest is Yahweh(Father).
Plus, Revelation.1:1, and 1:6 show a distinction between GOD and Jesus!!!
Remember, GOD gave the revelation to Jesus to pass down. Jesus has a GOD and is in subjection to GOD, even when he is in heaven!!!
epic103 5 months ago
@epic103 "No, Jesus is not the Alpha and Omega!!! His GOD is!!!"
TELL ME WHO IS IT THAT GIVES THE WATER OF LIFE IN REV 21:6? B4 U ANSWER PLS GO READ JN 4:14.
TELL ME WHAT DOES ALPHA AND OMEGA MEAN? AND IS JESUS THE FIRST AND THE LAST?
arnie365 5 months ago
@epic103 "The Father is THE LORD, the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!!!"
THERE IS ONLY ONE LORD AND IT`S JESUS!!! 1 COR 8 :and there is but ONE LORD, Jesus Christ.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Plus, Revelation.1:1, and 1:6 show a distinction between GOD and Jesus!!!"
NO IT SHOWS WHAT UR TOO SCARED TO LOOK UP. IT SHOWS EXACTLY WHAT THE TRINITY TEACHES THAT THE FATHER AND SON R SEPARATE PEOPLE.
TELL ME ACCORDING TO JN 2:19 WHO RAISES JESUS FROM THE DEAD?
arnie365 5 months ago
@epic103 "Remember, GOD gave the revelation to Jesus to pass down. Jesus has a GOD and is in subjection to GOD, even when he is in heaven!!!"
WHO`S SPIRIT IS THE HOLY SPIRIT?
OH U BETTER START ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS OR ELSE OUR DEBATE IS OVER. ARE U A JW? IF UR RELIGION COMES OUT OF THE BEAST EVERYTHING U SAY IS A LIE AND I`M JUST WAISTING MY TIME. I HAVE DEBATED MANY LIKE U SO IF U DON`T ANSWER MY QUESTIONS THE DEBATE IS POINTLESS AND U R NOT INTRESTED IN THE TRUTH.
arnie365 5 months ago
@epic103 I`M GOING TO ASK U ONE LAST TIME IS JESUS A TRUE GOD OR A FALSE GOD?
arnie365 5 months ago
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epic103 5 months ago
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@arnie365
I have said many times, Jesus is NOT GOD!!!
However, Jesus is the Christ(Anointed) and represents GOD!!! So he is GOD in terms of representation!!! Jesus represents the Most High just as the Prophets did before him. Because Jesus as the Christ of GOD is greater than all the other Prophets!!!
When Jesus prayed, he prayed to his GOD(Yahweh, Father), not a trinity!!! GOD is the Father(Yahweh)!!! The GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the Father!!! Jesus has a GOD!!!
epic103 5 months ago
@arnie365
No, the anti-christ is the one who teaches something different or against what Christ did!!!
Those that don't remain in the teachings of Christ don't have GOD!!! 2John.1:9
The trinity doctrine is not something Jesus taught!!! Nowhere does Jesus teach that GOD is 3 persons!!! No one knew anything about GOD Almighty being a trinity, that concept was foreign to the Jews!!!
Jesus was clear, our GOD is the Father!!! The Father is greater than ALL!!!
That's what Jesus taught!!!
epic103 5 months ago
@epic103 RIGHT LETS SETTEL THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL. TELL ME WHO IS UR JESUS. IS HE MICHAEL, IS HE ABADDON. AND I WILL WARN U ONE MORE TIME. START ANSWERING MY QUESTIPON OR ELSE I`LL HAVE TO BLOCK U COS UR IN LOOP MODE AND R JUST REPEATING THE SAME THINGS WITHOUT SUBSTANTIATING THEM.
SO START ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS. IM NOT INTRESTED ABOUT UR CUTE MIND CONTROLLED CATCH PHRASES I`M INTRESTED IN LOGIC AND TRUTH.
arnie365 5 months ago
@arnie365
Arnie, I have already told you 10 times who Jesus is!!!
Jesus is the Christ(Messiah) of the living GOD!!! The LIVING GOD is the Father(Yahweh). The LORD of heaven & earth and the only true GOD is the Father(Yahweh).
Christ taught that the Father is the true GOD!!! Christ never taught that the true GOD is three persons!!!
The trinity is not a teaching of Christ!!!
The GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is Yahweh(the Father), not Jesus!!!
I can't get any clearer than that!!!
epic103 5 months ago
@epic103 "Arnie, I have already told you 10 times who Jesus is!!!Jesus is the Christ(Messiah) of the living GOD!!! The LIVING GOD is the Father(Yahweh). The LORD of heaven & earth and the only true GOD is the Father(Yahweh)."
pls stop being a TWIT! i asked u WHAT RELIGION DO U BELONG TO??? i also believe Christ is the messiah and that the Father is the only true God but clearly ur Jesus is different to mine. so AGAIN answer my questions or i`ll be force to BLOCK u for being DISHONEST.
arnie365 5 months ago
any bet ur religion was founded by an american. is it not amazing how many CULTS and FALSE religions have come from america. ur avoiding my questions cos u r part of a LYING false religion with a FALSE Jesus and a FALSE gosple. gal 1:9 saya u r ANATHAMA!!!!
arnie365 5 months ago
@arnie365
What did I lie about, and what did say that's false???
epic103 5 months ago
@epic103 i think i gave u more than enough chances. i did warn u. cheers.
arnie365 5 months ago
@epic103 "The GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is Yahweh(the Father), not Jesus!!!
I can't get any clearer than that!!!"
JESUS = YAHWEH saves. JESUS IS YAHWEH THAT IS Y HE SAID HE WAS YHWH IN JN 8:58 AND HE HAS THE NAME ABOVE ALLLLLLLLLLL NAMES .
arnie365 1 month ago
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@arnie365
It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city from that day shall be, the LORD(Jehovah) is there. Ezekiel.48:35
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my GOD, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my GOD, and the name of the city of my GOD, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my GOD. Rev.3:12
The Father(Yahweh) is the GOD of Christ, and the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!!
epic103 1 month ago
@epic103 "No, the anti-christ is the one who teaches something different or against what Christ did!!!Those that don't remain in the teachings of Christ don't have GOD!!! 2John.1:9"
ppphahahaha my religion has lasted for 2000 yrs urs sprang up 150 - 50 yrs ago SO IS THE ONE TEACHING SOMETHING DIFFERENT?
arnie365 1 month ago
@epic103 "The trinity doctrine is not something Jesus taught!!! Nowhere does Jesus teach that GOD is 3 persons!!!'
MATT 10:20 20 for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your FATHER speaking through you
MK 13:11Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the HOLY SPIRIT
LK 21:15. For I(JESUS) will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict.
3 PERSONS DOING THE SAME THING!!!!!!!!!!!
arnie365 1 month ago
@epic103 "No one knew anything about GOD Almighty being a trinity, that concept was foreign to the Jews!!!"
if there is ONE true God and Jesus is GOD and Jesus is ALMIGHTY matt 28:18 who is Jesus? only a blind fool would deny that He is not God. the jews didn't know alot of things that is why JESUS CAME DOWN TO E X P L A I N IT TO THEM!!!
arnie365 1 month ago
Arnie, answer my questions first!!
WHO did Jesus claim was his GOD???
Who is the Father??? Who is the GOD and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ???
Why would Jesus claim to be Yahweh in John.8:58, but in John.7:16 say that the teachings(doctrine) is NOT HIS???
Why would Jesus deny the teachings are his, if he's Yahweh??? In other words, why would Jesus admit to being Yahweh, but then turn around and say that what he teaches is not his own??? Unless he's not Yahweh!!!
That makes more sense!!!
epic103 5 months ago
@epic103 I HAVE TOLD U TIME AND TIME AGAIN , LOOK UP THE OFFICIAL EXPLINATION OF THE DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY. STOP ACTING FOOLISH. I AM TIRED OF REPEATING MYSELF OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN SO IF U REALLY WANT TO KNOW THEN LOOK IT UP. IF U JUST WANT TO BE A CHOP THEN PLS STOP COMMENTING ON THIS VIDEO.
arnie365 5 months ago
@arnie365
Arnie, you're not making any sense!!!
1st. John.8:58 doesn't say that Jesus is Yahweh!!! You are talking that verse out of context, like all trinitarians do!!! Read John.8:40-54, where it shows a distinction between GOD and Jesus!!!
Jesus said, what I teach is NOT MINE, but belongs to the One that sent me. John.7:16 - Belongs to WHO???
2nd. Jesus said, I and the Father are ONE, not I and the Father are the same(equal). Being ONE with GOD doesn't mean EQUALITY!!!
epic103 5 months ago
@epic103 "1st. John.8:58 doesn't say that Jesus is Yahweh!!! You are talking that verse out of context, like all trinitarians do!!"
NO I`M TAKING IT IN CONTEXT LIKE ALL TRUTH BELIEVING CHRISTIANS DO. IT THE CULTS LIKE THE ONE U R IN THAT TAKE IT OUT OF CONTEXT,
" Read John.8:40-54, where it shows a distinction between GOD and Jesus!!!"
LOOK U R WASTING MY TIME . I TOLD U TO LOOK UP WHAT THE TRINITY DOCTRINE TEACHES. IT TEACHES THAT THE FATHER AND THE SON R SEPERATE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!
arnie365 5 months ago
@arnie365
Arnie, with all due respect, you never answer any questions!!!
Who is the Father??? Who is the GOD and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ???
Answer this, why would Jesus claim to be Yahweh in John.8:58, but in John.7:16 say that the teachings(doctrine) is NOT HIS???
Why would Jesus deny the teachings are his, if he's Yahweh??? In other words, why would Jesus admit to being Yahweh, but then turn around and say that what he teaches is not his own???
That makes no sense!!!
epic103 5 months ago
@epic103 "Arnie, with all due respect, you never answer any questions!!!
Who is the Father??? Who is the GOD and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ???"
that is becos u did`nt do what i told u to. i asked u to research what the trinity doctrine teaches. it tells u who the Father is and who the Son is etc. look it up!
"Answer this, why would Jesus claim to be Yahweh in John.8:58, but in John.7:16 say that the teachings(doctrine) is NOT HIS"
look up what i told u and u`ll have ur answer
arnie365 5 months ago
"Why would Jesus deny the teachings are his, if he's Yahweh??? In other words, why would Jesus admit to being Yahweh, but then turn around and say that what he teaches is not his own???"
let me ask u, who`s spirit is the Holy Spirit?
arnie365 5 months ago
@epic103 "2nd. Jesus said, I and the Father are ONE, not I and the Father are the same(equal). Being ONE with GOD doesn't mean EQUALITY!!!"
JESUS IS ALMIGHTY SO THEN HE IS EQUAL. MATT 28:18. IF U DENY THIS THEN U R LYING. TELL ME WHATR CULT DO U BELONG TO?
arnie365 5 months ago
@arnie365
The word ONE in John.10:30 does not mean the same(equal)!!! Look it up in the Greek Interlinear Bible!!!
If Jesus meant that they were equal(same), he would said I and the Father are EQUAL!!!
Being ONE with GOD, and being THE SAME(equal) as GOD are 2 different statements!!! You can be ONE with GOD, and not equal with GOD!!!
In John.17:21-23 Jesus said, all those who believe are ONE with he and GOD. Does that mean we are equal to GOD because we are ONE with Him???
epic103 5 months ago
@epic103 THE WORDS ALPHA AND OMEGA MEAN FIRST AND LAST!!!Look it up in the Greek Interlinear Bible!!!
JESUS IS THE ALMIGHTY ALPAH AND OMEGA THERE4 HE IS EQUAL TO GOD AND THERE4 WHAT U BELIEVE IS NOT THE TRUTH BUT MAN MADE!!!!
MATT 28:18 JESUS SAID HE WAS ALMIGHTY!!!!!
"Does that mean we are equal to GOD because we are ONE with Him???"
HOW WHERE THEY ONE? WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF JESUS. JESUS SHARES GOD`S SPIRIT. THE SPIRIT OF JESUS IS GOD`S SPIRIT!!!
arnie365 5 months ago
@arnie365
If Jesus is the First and Last, what does that make his GOD and Father???
epic103 5 months ago
@epic103 "If Jesus is the First and Last, what does that make his GOD and Father???"
ALSO the FIRST ALPHA and LAST OMEGA. drum, drum ,drum INTRODUCING ..... THE TRINITY!!!!!
arnie365 5 months ago
@epic103 U MIGHT WANT TO WATCH MY LATEST VIDEO AND THEN ASK URSELF FROM WHIC CONTRY DID UR RELIGION ORIGINATE FROM?
arnie365 5 months ago
@arnie365
Sorry arnie, but your not making any sense!!!
There isn't one verse in the Bible where GOD ALMIGHTY says that He is three(trinity)!!! It never happened!!! The word "trinity" or the doctrine of the trinity was never taught by Jesus or anyone else!!!
According to Jesus, the one true GOD(Most High, Yahweh) is the Father!!!
It doesn't matter what Bible you want to use, the fact remains the GOD of the Lord Jesus Christ is Yahweh(Father, LORD).
The trinity is a fallacy!!!
epic103 5 months ago
@epic103 "There isn't one verse in the Bible where GOD ALMIGHTY says that He is three(trinity)!!! It never happened!!! The word "trinity" or the doctrine of the trinity was never taught by Jesus or anyone else!!! "
mat 10:20 (Father), mark 13:11(Holy Spirit) and lk 21:15 (Son)
ALL 3 VERSES R TALKING ABOUT THE SAME GOD. JESUS IS ALMIGHTY COS HE IS THE ALPHA AND OMEGA AND JESUS SAID I AND THE FATHER R ONE. THE ABOVE VERSES SHOW HOW HE WAS ONE. VIA THE HOLY SPIRIT.
arnie365 5 months ago
@epic103 DID U KNOW JESUS SHARES GOD`S SPIRIT? THERE4 THAT MAKES JESUS EQUAL TO GOD AND THERE4 GOD ALMIGHTY.
"According to Jesus, the one true GOD(Most High, Yahweh) is the Father!!!"
JESUS IS YHWH!!! JN 8:58!!! JESUS MEANS YHWH SAVES SO JESUS LITARALLY IS YHWH. JN 17:11 JESUS SAYS HE HAS YHWH`S NAME.
arnie365 5 months ago
@epic103 "It doesn't matter what Bible you want to use, the fact remains the GOD of the Lord Jesus Christ is Yahweh(Father, LORD).The trinity is a fallacy!!!"
WHAT RELIGION DO U BELONG TO? WATCH MY LATEST VIDEO ABOUT THE BEAST AND THEN ASK URSELF DOES UR RELIGION COME FROM THE BEAST?
arnie365 5 months ago
@arnie365
Wrong!!! The context of John.4:23,24 is THE FATHER(Yahweh).
GOD(Father, Yahweh) is a Spirit, and those that worship GOD must worship Him in spirit and in truth!!!
The true GOD(Father, Yahweh) is a Spirit!!! The context of John.23,24 is THE FATHER, not Jesus!!!
Plus, Jesus makes clear that the LORD of heaven & earth and the only true GOD is THE FATHER!!! Jesus never said that GOD is a trinity(3). The true GOD is one(1), not three(3).
epic103 5 months ago
You ask the Holy Spirit of God for guidance to make the trinity understandable, yet what you should be doing is asking for the truth. Asking God to make everyone believe what you believe is the truth is ridiculous, it should be the other way around. Jesus is Gods sun, Yahweh is Gods name forever, Yehoshua(Jesus's name in Hebrew) means Yahweh is our salvation.
(Jesus's prayer)
John 17:3 This is eternal life, that they may know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
oO0Briggs0Oo 5 months ago
@oO0Briggs0Oo son*
oO0Briggs0Oo 5 months ago
@oO0Briggs0Oo "John 17:3 This is eternal life, that they may know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."
and that is the precise reason u have no life in u cos u DON`T know the Son nor the Father. 2 thes 2:
10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie
applies 2 everyone like u.PRAY 4 HELP
arnie365 5 months ago
@arnie365 Sir, I pray for help every day. I do my best to find the truth by believing what is spoken in the bible without any non-biblical doctrines added on, please show me a verse that says if I don't believe in the trinity that I am not saved.
oO0Briggs0Oo 5 months ago
@arnie365
Plus, the Son of Man and GOD(Yahweh, LORD) are not the same thing!!!
In Daniel.7:13,14 the Son of Man appears before the Ancient of Days!!! The Ancient of Days is Yahweh(GOD).
GOD is not a man, nor a son of man!!!
GOD is a Spirit, and those that worship GOD must worship in spirit and in truth!!! GOD is not man, and man is not GOD!!!
epic103 6 months ago
@epic103 "Plus, the Son of Man and GOD(Yahweh, LORD) are not the same thing!!!"
THE TRINITY TEACHES THAT THEY R THE SAME GOD BUT SEPARATE PERSONS. SON OF MAN IS HUMAN BUT HYIS SPIRIT IS GOD!!! SEE 1 PT 1:11
"GOD is a Spirit, and those that worship GOD must worship in spirit and in truth!!! "
EXACTLY AND JESUS IS GOD ALMIGHTY BECOS HE HAS THE SAME SPIRIT AS THE FATHER ALSO SEE JN 14:23
arnie365 5 months ago
@arnie365
The bottom line is, nowhere in the Bible is the EXPLICIT and CLEAR teaching that says GOD is a trinity(3).
Jesus taught that the true GOD and the LORD of heaven and earth is the Father(Yahweh). The trinity doctrine was never taught by Jesus or the Apostles!!! They understood that the only true GOD is Yahweh(Father, Most High). The trinity doctrine was foreign to the Jews!!!
Jesus is the Son of the Highest, NOT the Most High!!!
epic103 6 months ago
@epic103 "The bottom line is, nowhere in the Bible is the EXPLICIT and CLEAR teaching that says GOD is a trinity(3)."
WRONG!!!
MATT 10:20 for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your FATHER speaking through you.
MK 13:11... Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the HOLY SPIRIT
LK 21: 15 For I(JESUS THE SON) will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict.
3 IN ONE GOD!!!
arnie365 5 months ago
@arnie365
Then WHO is the GOD of the Lord Jesus Christ???
Blessed be the GOD and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. 1Peter.1:3 - THIS WAS WRITTEN AFTER THE RESURRECTION!!!
Grace, mercy, and peace, from GOD our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord. 1Timothy.1:2 - WHO is GOD our Father???
Jesus said, I ascend to your GOD and to my GOD. John.20:17 - WHO's GOD???
epic103 5 months ago
@epic103 bud u have the wrong idea of the trinity. educate urself in this department ie find out what the trinity docrine actually teaches then tell me how u understand it and i`ll help u with any querries u may have. but u first have to understand the concept of the trinity.
arnie365 5 months ago
@epic103 " 1Peter.1:3 - THIS WAS WRITTEN AFTER THE RESURRECTION!!!"
u r awear that the bible tells us that Jesus resurrects HIMSELF aswell? jn 2:19 and jn 10.
here is a nice verse for u. titus 2:13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,
OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
arnie365 5 months ago
@epic103 " Grace, mercy, and peace, from GOD our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord. 1Timothy.1:2 - WHO is GOD our Father???"
IF JESUS IS THE ALPHA AND OMEGA THEN HE IS PART OF THE TRINITY AND IS ALMIGHTY GOD. IS JESUS THE ALPHA AND OMEGA?
"Jesus said, I ascend to your GOD and to my GOD. John.20:17 - WHO's GOD???"
JESUS AS THE SON OF MAN HAD A GOD BUT JESUS AS SON OF GOD IS THAT GOD THAT IS Y GOD CALLS JESUS GOD!!!!
arnie365 5 months ago
@arnie365
1st. Jesus is not the Alpha and Omega!!! His GOD and Father is!!!
2nd. Jesus is not part of a trinity!!! Jesus never mentions GOD being a trinity(3)!!! The word trinity, or the doctrine of the trinity is not found in the Bible!!! Nowhere in the Bible does GOD claim to be three!!!
3rd. All of the the verses after the resurrection show Jesus still has a GOD!!! Even in his exalted state in heaven Jesus still has a GOD and is in subjection to GOD. 1Cor.11:3, 15:27,28 etc...
epic103 5 months ago
@epic103 "1st. Jesus is not the Alpha and Omega!!! His GOD and Father is!!!"
wow u know very little about the bible don`t u? rev 21:"6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life."
WHO GIVES THE WATER OF LIFE?
AND TELL ME WHAT DOES ALPHA AND OMEGA MEAN???
arnie365 5 months ago
@epic103 "2nd. Jesus is not part of a trinity!!! Jesus never mentions GOD being a trinity(3)!!! The word trinity, or the doctrine of the trinity is not found in the Bible!!! Nowhere in the Bible does GOD claim to be three!!!"
ACCORDING TO U BUT U DON`T EVEN KNOW THE BIBLE SO WHAT U SAY IS...WELL ... WORTHLESS.YES JESUS DID AND YES THE DOCRINE IS FOUND IN THE BIBLE AND YES BOTH JESUS AND GOD CLAIM TO BE THREE.
arnie365 5 months ago
@epic103 "3rd. All of the the verses after the resurrection show Jesus still has a GOD!!! Even in his exalted state in heaven Jesus still has a GOD and is in subjection to GOD. 1Cor.11:3, 15:27,28 etc..."
I HAVE ALREADY EXPLAINED TO U THAT THE SON OF MAN HAD A GOD BUT JESUS` SPIRIT IS THAT GOD BUT I BET UR A JW COS U SEEM TO SHARE THEIR BRAINWASHED RATIONAL.
JESUS IS THAT GOD 1 PT 1:11 THAT IS Y YHWH CALLS HIM GOD AND Y THE WTS HAS TO MISTRANSLATE THAT VERSE.
arnie365 5 months ago
@epic103 DOES UR RELIGION COME FROM AMERICA? IF IT DOES U MIGHT WANT TO WATCH MY LATEST VIDEO AND ASK URSELF HOW CAN ANYTHING THAT COMES OUT OF THAT WICKEDNESS BE THE TRUTH.
arnie365 5 months ago
@epic103 "The trinity doctrine was never taught by Jesus or the Apostles!!!"
IT WAS TAUGHT BY BOTH THAT IS WHY IT CAN BE TRACED TO THE VERY BEGINING OF THE CHURCH!!!
"The trinity doctrine was foreign to the Jews!!!"
ALOT OF THINGS WERE A MYSTERY TO THE JEWS, THAT IS Y JESUS CAME DOWN TO EXPLAIN THEM
JN 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and[b] is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
arnie365 5 months ago
Collosians 1v 16 continued.
Ok verse 18 and 20, the "all things" indisputably refers to believers where Jesus is the "FIRSTBORN" of a new creation, the church or ecclesia (gk called out ones) and he is the HEAD.
v 15 is talking about the same thing, the firstborn of every creature (gk kitisis formation or creation) so Jesus is the firstborn of every creation in the ecclesia.
Like it or not that is the context.
therefore v16 by him or because of him the ecclesia was CREATED.
all new to you
CamdenChristadelphia 7 months ago
Arnie I thought you would use this verse to prove once and for all the trinity is scriptural.
1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one
I mean this verse says it all !!! .....and dosent it tie John 1v1 together beautifully.
I would have thought you would have jumped at the opportunity to put us anti-triniterians (your word not mine) to the inquisition.
CamdenChristadelphia 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia CONT..
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. (Hebrews 1:2)
U R ANATHAMA ACCORDING TO GAL 1: 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
U PREACH A DISTORTED FALSE GOSPLE AND THERE4 ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES U R ANATHAMA
arnie365 7 months ago
"So you believe that everywhere the words "I am" are written in the scriptures it is the name of God?Is that what you are saying?"
THAT IS Y THE JEWS TRIED TO STONE JESUS IN JN 8:58
arnie365 7 months ago
Mat 27:24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I AM innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
Act 10:21 Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said, Behold, I AM he whom ye seek: what is the cause wherefore ye are come?
By your reasoning Pilate and Peter are also God.
The name of God is first stated in ex 3v15 can you find it ?
CamdenChristadelphia 7 months ago
Look seriously, You have been a good catholic lad upholding the triune God dogma,believing everthing the clergy says,afterall they have the theology qualification.
One day you might read the scriptures without the bias of the church dogma.
Think about this question.
Did Jesus come in the flesh? in the flesh means "as a human being.
So the question is, was Jesus a human being?
Have a look in the greek at the term "Come in the flesh" before you answer and be very careful what you say.
CamdenChristadelphia 7 months ago
Churchfellaway#p/f/55/XqI2huFgMQc
Checkout this video on youtube.
It shows why ' I am ' is NOT the name of God.
Take your time and study it carefully and you will clearly see that 'I am" simply means "I am" and nothing more.
You asked me why they would take up stones to stone him.
Look at the context.
Before Abraham, I am (he).
He is saying, as Paul later confirms in Gal 3v 16, that he is the seed promised to Abraham.
Therefore he is greater than Abraham.
They didnt like that.
CamdenChristadelphia 7 months ago
Sorry, no prize for second.
CamdenChristadelphia 7 months ago
Just one last thing arnie.
The whole reason we have an interest in these things is to find the truth and try to emulate the ways of Jesus.
I find some of your comments both rude and insulting.
I have treated them with the credit they deserve by simply ignoring them in the replies.
If there is one thing we can learn from Jesus its humility and some degree of toleration.
While i dont expect an apology I do expect you to reflect the character fo Jesus rather than your own spiteful nature.
CamdenChristadelphia 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia "I find some of your comments both rude and insulting"
yes so did the pharasees find Jesus coments rude and insulting when He was teaching them the TRUTH.
"If there is one thing we can learn from Jesus its humility and some degree of toleration"
Jesus did NOT tolerate heretics and those who oppose the TRUTH and neither did His deciples go read what paul sid to the FALSE prophet bar-jesus and what Jesus said to the pharacees.
arnie365 7 months ago
u come attacking me then u want me to be tolorarnt of ur anathomous teaching , the deciples NEVER tolorated LYING heretics so y should i?
arnie365 7 months ago
Try and get some credibilty in your argument by getting rid of the nonsence analogies,unsubstantiated claims about DNA and your simple mathematical logic.
Why dont you just read and quote the Bible?
First of all show us where the word TRINITY is found in the Bible.
Try to explain how Jesus died for our sins if he was in fact an IMMORTAL GOD?
If the ONE GOD died then WHO raised him from the dead.
Why is Jesus to be SUBJECT to his FATHER in the future? see 1 cor 15v28
No pen analogies here
CamdenChristadelphia 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia "Try and get some credibilty in your argument by getting rid of the nonsence analogies,unsubstantiated claims about DNA and your simple mathematical logic"
WHY ? cos u don`t have any logic? the anlogiies r there to help stuborn ppl like urself understand the trinity better.
"Why dont you just read and quote the Bible?"
i have also quoted the bible bt a blind person can`t c the obvious. come to the LIGHT of the world and u will c the truth.
arnie365 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia "First of all show us where the word TRINITY is found in the Bible."
sure no problem i`ll do so imidiatly after u show me the word bible in the scriptures. trinity discribes something just like bible does but if u lack logic u will never understand that.
arnie365 7 months ago
@arnie365 Great cop out arnie! You like many other theologians cannot explain the trinity so you resort to evasive answers.Well done.
xu1997 7 months ago
@xu1997 "Great cop out arnie! You like many other theologians cannot explain the trinity so you resort to evasive answers.Well done"
what r u talking about? i have explained it. it`s like ur teacher talling u 1x1x1=1 and u say i don`t understand there r three 1`s how can it = 1. ur lack of understanding reflect on ur mental capacity not on my ability to explain.
arnie365 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia "Try to explain how Jesus died for our sins if he was in fact an IMMORTAL GOD?"
Jesus was both mortal man and immortal God. He died in His HUMAN nature which is MORTAL bt His Spirit , which is also the Spirit of the Father NEVER DIED!!!!!!!!!
"If the ONE GOD died then WHO raised him from the dead."
JESUS raised HIMSELF from the dead according to the scriptures. and God raised Him again PROVING Jesis IS GOD!!!
arnie365 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia "Your statement "Jesus is and was 100% man and 100% GOD!" is ridiculous at so many levels"
says someone who follows a CULT. it`s in the bible , it`s rediculous to u cos u follow fallable men and ignore the scritures. go read 2 thes 2 :10-11 it`s talking about YOU!!!
"Man is MORTAL and God is IMMORTAL. You cant be both,its a contradiction in terms"
Jesus was Son of MAN and Son of GOD. it`s a contradiction only to those that lack logic and understanding
arnie365 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia "Jhn 8v 58 I am is not the name of God. In chp9 v5 same I am"
according to u bt ur a CULT member so what u say hold NO water. there is a very clear link between jn 8:58 and ex 3:14 only a dishonest person would deny that. the jews even knew Jesus was making that association that is y they tried to stone Him.
arnie365 7 months ago
@arnie365
Arnie there is a clear link between John 8v58 I am and John 9v 9
Lets have a look shall we arnie and lets see if Its just my interpretation as you say.
Before Abraham was, I am jn8v58
Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, I am he. jn9v9
Same heb word in both instances which simply mean I am or I exist. It has nothing to do with the name of God
check the Hebrew dictionary!
Make sure its not a Christadelphian one.
CamdenChristadelphia 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia "Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, I am he. jn9v9 Same heb word in both instances which simply mean I am or I exist. It has nothing to do with the name of Godcheck the Hebrew dictionary!"
the same HEBREW word hey. wow no wonder u r a christdelphian. u r totally ignorant of the bible. the new testiment was witten in GREEK not hebrew. tell me y did they try to STONE Jesus when He said I AM in jn 8:58?
arnie365 7 months ago
@arnie365
You are right!!!!!! I should have said Greek dictionary.Congratulations you caught me out.
But how about addressing the issue.
John 8.58 and john 9v9 do not show the name of God they simply mean "I am" and it is impossible to prove otherwise.
One other thing,can you try to improve your spelling.My 8 year old daughter was looking over my shoulder at this post and thought I was coresponding with a child.
She wasnt impressed with the spelling either.
CamdenChristadelphia 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia "John 8.58 and john 9v9 do not show the name of God they simply mean "I am" and it is impossible to prove otherwise"
NO it NOT. bud use a bit of comon sense, try reading things IN CONTEXT!!!! Ego eimi means I AM so there r many examples of ego eimi in the NT BUT the context in which Jesus used it in implied He was calling Himself YHWH. that is y they TRIED TO STONE HIM!!!! the jews KNEW what He was saying.
arnie365 7 months ago
@arnie365 Thats your context.
The real plot as to why the jews sought to kill Jesus because he was a threat.
Joh 11:48 If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.
Joh 11:49 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
Joh 11:50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
CamdenChristadelphia 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia "Thats your context.The real plot as to why the jews sought to kill Jesus because he was a threat."
THAT IS A LIE! the jews were very religious and were very concerned with obeying the law of moses now u show me where in the law of moses does it say that they can murder someone if they feel he is a "threat"?
THAT WOULD BE UNJUSTIFIED MURDER. WHERE IS UR LOGIC? also u say he was a threat for saying I AM hahahahahaha that rediculous come on.
arnie365 7 months ago
"If Jesus came in the flesh then he was NOT immortal."
is Jesus dead now? could death hold Him down? so then He IS IMMORTAL!
"The idea of an "immortal soul" long predates the founding of today's major religions."
yes according to FALSE teachers like urself
arnie365 7 months ago
@arnie365
"is Jesus dead now? could death hold Him down? so then He IS IMMORTAL!"
Cant follow you thinking here.
Jesus was born a MAN, a MORTAL HUMAN BEING.Just to be more emphatic, he had HUMAN NATURE with all its frailties.
Heb 2:17 ' made like unto his brethren"
The next point is ,he DIED, the MORTAL man DIED. The grave could not hold him as he was sinless.
His FATHER raised him and crowned him with immortality.
We are also on that path, that is the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE.
CamdenChristadelphia 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia "The next point is ,he DIED, the MORTAL man DIED. The grave could not hold him as he was sinless."
THERE4 HE IS IMMORTAL!!! U LACK LOGIC WHICH IS VERY TYPICAL OF CULT MEMBERS
"His FATHER raised him and crowned him with immortality"
HE RAISED HIMSELF JN 2:19 AND JN 10:18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again.
arnie365 7 months ago
@arnie365
He died therefore he is immortal. Well done arnie,brilliant!!!!
The dead man raised himself, and you feel I lack logic!!!!????
CamdenChristadelphia 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia "The dead man raised himself, and you feel I lack logic!!!!????"
ur quite IGNORANT for someone who insults ppl about their intelligence. jn 2:
19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I ,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I ,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,Iwill raise it again in three days.” JESUS PROVES UR IGNORANCE
arnie365 7 months ago
@arnie365
Ok then explain the contradiction.
Act 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole
When someone is DEAD they are dead. They cant raised themself from the dead.
The verse above states that his FATHER raised him from the dead.
So what did Jesus mean in John 2?
CamdenChristadelphia 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia "When someone is DEAD they are dead. They cant raised themself from the dead."
SO R U CALLING JESUS A LIAR? JN 2:19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I ,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I ,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I will raise it again in three days.”
U R A DECIEVER AND A PERVERTER OF THE TRUTH
arnie365 7 months ago
@arnie365
All the iiiiiiiii's are a very childish response,certainly not a symptom of dyslexia.
Ive already shown you that Jesus FATHER raised him from the dead.
Acts 4 v10 clearly states that "whom God raised from the dead"
Im not saying anything other than what is written. So what is being perverted here other than your responses?
Are you saying "GOD the FATHER of Jesus didnt raise him from the dead?
If you are saying that then you are the perverter.
Whats your answer?
CamdenChristadelphia 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia "Acts 4 v10 clearly states that "whom God raised from the dead""
AND JN 2:19 CLEARLY PROVES THAT JESUS IS A TRIUNE GOD
"Im not saying anything other than what is written. So what is being perverted here other than your responses?"
LIAR! WHAT IS WRITTEN IS THAT JESUS AND GOD RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD AND U R SAYING ONLY THE FATHER DID THERE4 U R PERVERTING THE TRUTH AND U R A FALSE TEACHER!!! AN ANATHAMA!!!
arnie365 7 months ago
"Wrong again arnie,Jesus and his FATHER are NOT the same being."
SO THEN Y DO THEY SHARE THE SAME LIFE GIVING HOLY SPIRIT? 1 PT 1:11 JN 14:23 , ROM 8 AND GAL 4:6 ACTS 16:6,7 AND MANY MANY MORE VERSES SAYING THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD IS THE SPIRIT OF JESUS!!!!!!!!
arnie365 7 months ago
"Jesus did NOT raise himself from the DEAD, HE SAYS his FATHER brought him back to LIFE."
UR QUITE THICK FOR SOMEONE WHO INSULTS PPL ABOUT THEIR INTELLIGENCE ARN`T U?
JN 10:17 The reason my Father loves me is that I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again
arnie365 7 months ago
JN 10:17 The reason my Father loves me is that I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up but I lay it down of my own accord. I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again
arnie365 7 months ago
JN 10:17 The reason my Father loves me is that I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again
I ASKED U IF U HONOUT THE SON LIKE THE FATHER? I WILL DELETE ALL UR FOLLOWING RESPONSES IF U DON`T ANSWER THIS QUESTION NEXT.
arnie365 7 months ago
The verse above states that his FATHER raised him from the dead.
So what did Jesus mean in John 2?
IT MEANS THAT THE FATHER AND THE SON R ONE,ONE,ONE,ONE,ONE GOD.
TELL ME DO U HONOUR JESUS JUST AS THE FATHER? ANY BET U DON`T COS THAT IS WHAT SATAN WANTS.
arnie365 7 months ago
@arnie365
Wrong again arnie,Jesus and his FATHER are NOT the same being.
Jesus was MORTAL and he DIED. His FATHER is IMMORTAL and when Jesus DIED (DED-dead-meaning no longer alive) his FATHER who was ALIVE when Jesus was DEAD, RAISED him from DEATH back to LIFE.
Jesus did NOT raise himself from the DEAD, HE SAYS his FATHER brought him back to LIFE.
It was up to Jesus whether he was obedient unto death or exercised his OWN WILL (not his FATHERS will) and rebelled.
Thats what John 2 is about
CamdenChristadelphia 7 months ago
JN 10:18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I, have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again.
AGAIN JESUS DEBUNKS UR ANATHEMOUS AND HERETICAL BELIEF. U R AN ANTICHRIST AND A FALSE TEACHER AND SOON U WILL C THAT WHAT I SAID WAS TRUE, SOON , VERY SOON.
arnie365 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia "One other thing,can you try to improve your spelling.My 8 year old daughter was looking over my shoulder at this post and thought I was coresponding with a child."
thank u 4 the insult bt i am DYSLEXIC so just deal with it.
arnie365 7 months ago
@arnie365 That's a bit rich arnie! you complaining about insults.
CamdenChristadelphia 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia "Churchfellaway#p/f/55/XqI2huFgMQcCheckout this video on youtube.It shows why ' I am ' is NOT the name of God"
not quite , it shows a fool giving his opinion as to y he thinks it`s not. all QUALIFIED and reputable scholars agree that I AM is the Name of God.
arnie365 7 months ago
@arnie365
So you believe that everywhere the words "I am" are written in the scriptures it is the name of God?
Is that what you are saying?
CamdenChristadelphia 7 months ago
@arnie365 It's heartwarming to see you have such an open mind.
Why dont you just show me where he is wrong from what he presents in the video instead of attacking his character.
You seem to spend more time attacking your critics instead of carefully and methodically showing us where we are wrong.
You have put this video up therefore you should not get angry if someone has the gall to disagree.
People were killed in the past because they didnt believe the flawed dogma of the trinity.
CamdenChristadelphia 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia "People were killed in the past because they didnt believe the flawed dogma of the trinity."
bud WAKE UP, the only ones that agree that the trinity is "flawed" are FALSE PROPHETS like the jw`s and those like them and FALSE teachers and cults like the one u r in. if the trinity is flawed then y did God allow it to be taught for 2000 yrs? it`s in the bible and only ppl who hate the truth like urself will deny this by TWISTING and DISTORTING the scriptures. jn 1:1, jn 8:58
arnie365 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia "The word is the word of God and it is from the mind of God. It is his thoughts expressed"
WRONG!!! jn 1:1 ...and the Word was,was,was,was,was,was,was, God. it`s not His thought that is ur twisted OPINION and NOT in the bible!
rev 19:13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and HIS NAME is the Word of God.
THIS IS SPEAKING OF JESUS. Y DO U PERVERT THE TRUTH?
arnie365 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia "Psa 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth"
THAT GOES WITH Through him [Jesus] all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. (John 1:3)
For by him [Jesus] all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. (Colossians 1:16)
AND CONT...
arnie365 7 months ago
@arnie365
Psalm 33 Almighty God and His Angels make his command happen in Creation, THE CREATION!
John 1 v3 Same word as Psalm 33 The Almighty spoke and it was done.
Now to Colossians, is it talking about THE CREATION?
The key phrase is "ALL THINGS" does the context of this chap. tell us what "ALL THINGS" are.
The phrase occurs 4 times in this chap.
Lets work back from verse 20.
v20 "all things" are believers who are reconciled
v18 kjv margin "among all" also believers
continued
CamdenChristadelphia 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia "We are also on that path, that is the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE."
NO u follow a FALSE christ and preach a FALSE gosple. u r the birds ie the devil perching on the branches of the mustard tree of christianity.
"all new to you"
no just foolish lies and NONSENSE to me and all TRUE christians
arnie365 7 months ago
@arnie365
Im really impressed at the grown up adult way you handle you replies.
If you take away you insults then there is not much intelligent discussion happening here.
I used to wonder how trinity believers could add verses to the Bible to enhance believability and then murder innocent people for not accepting the herecy.
Your attitude towards me shows me exactly how it could have happened.
These murderers also claimed to be true christians..
CamdenChristadelphia 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia ur such a HYPOCRITE! u complain about my insults yet u constantly insult me.
tell me where were christadelphians in history? NOWHERE !!!! they sprang up when darwinism, the occult and many cults sprang up. THEY R THE WEEDS JESUS TOLD US THE ENEMY WOULD PLANT AMONGST THE WHEAT. they r the birds (devil) Jesus told us would perch themselves in the branches of the mustard tree of christendom.
ur close to finding out how decieved u have been, u c in a few short years
arnie365 7 months ago
@arnie365
I havent complained about your insults, Im just highlighting the fact that you are a very insulting person.
There is plenty of evidence for that on this page.
Christadelphians in history ? They were the ones being tortured and killed by you compatriots for not believing in the trinity.
They were the ones who understood that Jesus was NOT his FATHER but the SON of GOD.
We were the ones who were not swayed by the Catholic dogmas.
Can you say the same?
CamdenChristadelphia 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia "I havent complained about your insults, Im just highlighting the fact that you are a very insulting person."
MAYBE U SHOULD LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND SEE HOW INSULTING U R B4 U CRITISIZE AND JUDGE OTHER. HYPOCRITE!
"They were the ones being tortured and killed by you compatriots for not believing in the trinity."
RIGHT! NOW PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE TO SHOW THEY WERE CALLED CHRISTADELPHIANS OR RUN THE RISK OF EXPOSING URSELF AS A DELUDED LIAR.
arnie365 7 months ago
@arnie365
Interestingly enough, the adoption of the Doctrine of the Trinity marks an tremendous change in Christian history. Prior to 325 A.D. Christians were persecuted by pagans, and others who rejected the exclusive Deity of Jesus Christ as God manifest in flesh. Within fifty years of the adoption of the doctrine of the Trinity, Trinitarian Christians were persecuting anyone who would not accept the doctrine of the Trinity. It seems to me like something went wrong.
Apostles didnt teach it.
CamdenChristadelphia 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia LET ME SHOW U HOW DELUSIONAL U R
"Christians were persecuted by PAGANS,AND OTHERS who REJECTED the exclusive Deity of Jesus Christ as God manifest in flesh."
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT U R DOING NOW SO U R PART OF THE "PAGANS AND OTHERS" WHO PERSECUTED THE EARLY CHURCH THAT CONFIRMING WHAT I`VE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG!
"Trinitarian Christians were persecuting anyone who would not accept the doctrine of the Trinity"
WHERE IS THE PROOF LIAR?
arnie365 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia "Apostles didnt teach it."
YES THEY DID LIAR! THAT IS Y IT`S IN THE BIBLE!!! U HAVE TO DISTORT THE SCRIPTURES TYO PROVE UR POINT BT I DON`T TO PROVE MINE.
"All the iiiiiiiii's are a very childish response,certainly not a symptom of dyslexia."
WHAT IT IS IS AN ATTEMPT TO DRILL THRU UR THICK TRUTH DENYING SCULL.Ive already shown you that Jesus FATHER raised him from the dead."
AND I`VE SHOWN U THAT JESUS RAISED HIMSELF FROM THE DEAD THERE4 THE TRINITY IS TRUE
arnie365 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia u follow a man made truth rejecting cult repent for the LORD and GOD (jn 20:28 ) is coming and if u continue rejecting Him and hating Him u will be condemed to HELL.
i`m done debating with u, i`ve said what i have to say and i've showed u to be a HYPOCRITE and a FALSE teacher so that`s it. u follow a cult of about 50000 strong or should i say WEAK which is contray to the prophecy of Jesus which says His church will be the LARGEST in the garden !!!
arnie365 6 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia "He is saying, as Paul later confirms in Gal 3v 16, that he is the seed promised to Abraham.Therefore he is greater than Abraham.They didnt like that"
sorry but that is simply DAFT!!! the jews would not just stone someone for saying something they "did`nt like" that is against the LAW of moses bt they were within the law if they stoned someone for BLASPHEMY ie Jesus calling Himself God.
arnie365 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia "Did Jesus come in the flesh? in the flesh means "as a human being.So the question is, was Jesus a human being?Have a look in the greek at the term "Come in the flesh" before you answer and be very careful what you say."
Yes He did so what is ur point? and y r u ignoring me question about who is the word?
arnie365 7 months ago
@arnie365
The question should be "What is the word in John 1 v1 " not who?
The word is the word of God and it is from the mind of God. It is his thoughts expressed.
ie Psa 33:4 For the word of the LORD is right; and all his works are done in truth.
Psa 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
Psa 33:9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.
Word - gk logos - neuter, "who" is irrelevant.
CamdenChristadelphia 7 months ago
@arnie365
If Jesus came in the flesh then he was NOT immortal.
Jesus actually died,yes died,he gave up his life and by that I dont mean immortal soul.
Immortal soul, like trinity is not scriptual.
The idea of an "immortal soul" long predates the founding of today's major religions. The ancient Greek historian Herodotus (5th century B.C.) tells us in his History that the ancient Egyptians were the first to teach that the soul of man is separable from the body, and immortal.
Terrific !!
CamdenChristadelphia 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia "20v28 same as when Jesus cried out to the same God"
WHAT? thomas called Jesus HIS LORD and HIS GOD!!!!
"Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me."
that was when the Holy Spirit which is Jesus` Spirit left Jesus.
"Forget DNA ,its irrelevant."
WHY is it irrelivant? cos u can`t understand it? that`s lame! Jesus had DNA and His DNA was from Mary and YHWH so He was fully man and FULLY God
arnie365 7 months ago
@arnie365
So Jesus cried out to himself and then Jesus in the form of the holy spirit left himself then Jesus who was dead raised himself from the dead.
Does that make any sense to you arnie?
The whole basis of the atonement is the sacrifice of Jesus. Jesus DIED.
It wasnt just his body Jesus GAVE UP HIS LIFE. SEE Matt 20V28.
He unlike his father was MORTAL.
If Jesus didnt actually die then we are still in our sins.
Amighty God is Spirit and does NOT have DNA. Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit
CamdenChristadelphia 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia "Jesus prayed to HIS FATHER. It is a nonsence to pray to yourself"
that comment shows ur ignorance about the trinity.
"John 1 v1 says The word was God v 14 States that Jesus is NOT the word BUT the word made Flesh"
that is ur FOOLISH interpretation ALL credibale bible scholars admit that jn 1:1 and jn 1:14 are talking about Jesus. it`s only brainwashed cult member that come up with foolish interpretations like urs
arnie365 7 months ago
@arnie365
Sorry arnie you need to come up with something better than that.
The "word was God" and the "word MADE flesh" shows a difference which you cant see.
i.e. who MADE Jesus?
CamdenChristadelphia 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia "Isaiah 9v6 says his name SHALL BE CALLED the mighty God not that he is almighty God. "
oh foolish, foolish blind one, matt 28:18 says Jesus has ALLLLLLL power and that is what almighty means ALL powerful. Jesus is also the Alpha and Omega who is ALMIGHY. the only other being called Mighty God is YHWH.
ur argument show u to be totally ignorant of the scriptures that is y ur a follower of the christedelphian CULT
arnie365 7 months ago
@arnie365 Who gave him the POWER arnie?
Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is GREATER than I.
Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do NOTHING of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
Gee arnie these verses dont seem to fit do they
CamdenChristadelphia 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia "Who gave him the POWER arnie?"
WOW U R THICK! the dictionary does not say only if someone does not give all the power will that person be almighty it simply says ALL POWERFUL . what is wrong with u?
"because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is GREATER than I."
again showing ur biblical ignorance. hebrews 2 EVEN THE ANGELS WHERE GREATER THAN JESUS FOR A SHORT TIME. why cos He humbled Himself and became a lowly man.
arnie365 7 months ago
"Gee arnie these verses dont seem to fit do they"
i unlike u don`t have to twist verses and mistranslate them to believe what i believe.
"The "word was God" and the "word MADE flesh" shows a difference which you cant see."
who is the Word?
arnie365 7 months ago
"So Jesus cried out to himself and then Jesus in the form of the holy spirit left himself then Jesus who was dead raised himself from the dead"
come explain the trinity and i`ll show ur ignorance. does the trinity teach that there is only on person? NO FOOL!
does the trinity teach that Jesus is the Father ? NO FOOL!
does the trinity teach that Jesus is the Holy Spirit? NO FOOL
so ur comments show u to be very ignorant
arnie365 7 months ago
"then Jesus who was dead raised himself from the dead....Does that make any sense to you arnie?"
what does it say in jn 2: 19 FOOL? who will raise Jesus in that verse? again proving ur biblical ignorance. what about jn 10 where Jesus says HE raises HIMSELF.
"It wasnt just his body Jesus GAVE UP HIS LIFE. SEE Matt 20V28"
what? His life what r u on about? when His body died He gave His life so what is ur point?
arnie365 7 months ago
"He unlike his father was MORTAL"
did His Spirit die? NO cos His Spirit is the IMMORTAL Holy Spirit of GOD! 1 pt 1:11
"If Jesus didnt actually die then we are still in our sins."
who said he did`nt die? ur spirit does not die the body dies.
"Amighty God is Spirit and does NOT have DNA. Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit"
so einsein tell me where did the other half of Jesus chromosomes come from? half where from Mary and the other half?????? How does Jesus look EXACTLY like His Father????
arnie365 7 months ago
@arnie365 My old Grandfather always told me not to argue with fools and children.
Your outlandish statements and disgracefully rude replies remain on this post for all to see.
Im not the first person to let you know how out of line you attitude is so why dont you go and do a bit of soul searching.
These are suppose to be spritual discussions not a forum for you to belittle people with your acid tongue.
You must be a very difficult person to live with.
CamdenChristadelphia 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphiaacts 13:8 But Elymas the sorcerer (for that is what his name means) opposed them and tried to turn the proconsul from the faith.9 Then Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked straight at Elymas and said, 10 “You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord?
YOU AND THE SORCERER R THE SAME I REBUKE U AS ST PAUL DID HIM
arnie365 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia "These are suppose to be spritual discussions not a forum for you to belittle people with your acid tongue."
UR PERVETING THE WORD OF GOD. U CALIM THE WORD WAS NOT JESUS U CLAIM THAT ISA 9:6 IS NOT SAYING JESUS IS GOD U R A LIAR AND A FALSE PROPHET JESUS WARNED US ABOUT. U HATE THE TRUTH AND THAT IS Y GOD HAS SENT HIS JUDGEMENT ON U.
U SAY I`M RUDE GO AND READ UR COMMENT U HYPOCRITE
arnie365 7 months ago
The Almighty God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob is NOT a pen. He is NOT ice,steam and water and he is not a mathematical equation (1x1x1=1)
Stick to what he reveals himself as in Isa 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me.
He was Jesus God as well as his FATHER
Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me
Jesus is still a man see 1tim 2v5
CamdenChristadelphia 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia pls b4 u embarass urself any further go look up what an ANALOGY is. I never said He was a pen did I?
"Stick to what he reveals himself as in Isa 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me."
EXACTLY! so how do u explain isa 9:6 where Jesus is THE MIGHTY GOD and jn 1:1 where the scripture says Jesus IS GOD? if the scriptures say there is ONLY one God and it says Jesus IS God then Jesus has to be THAT ONLY GOD!!!! simple logic !1x1x1=1 GOD!
arnie365 7 months ago
@arnie365
Correction from my first comment.
Should have read "He was Jesus's God as well as being his FATHER.
Jesus prayed to HIS FATHER. It is a nonsence to pray to yourself.
John 1 v1 says The word was God v 14 States that Jesus is NOT the word BUT the word made Flesh
Big difference.
"isa 9:6 where Jesus is THE MIGHTY GOD" Is your statement and its wrong.
Isaiah 9v6 says his name SHALL BE CALLED the mighty God not that he is almighty God. Exod 3v4 an angel is called YAHWEH
CamdenChristadelphia 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia "He was Jesus God as well as his FATHER"
shame! typical for a non triniterian. u have NO clue as to what the trinity is. 3 persons in ONE God!!!
u mighty want to read 1 pt 1:11 where is says that God`s Spirit is Jesus` Spirit there4 they are ONE GOD!!!
Jesus is God see JN 1:1 , 8:58, 20:28, 10:?,isa 9:6, rev 1:8,21:6,22:12 titus 2:13. Jesus is and was 100% man and 100% GOD! think in terms of DNA? His man dna comes from Mary and His God DNA comes from His FATHER
arnie365 7 months ago
@arnie365 Your statement "Jesus is and was 100% man and 100% GOD!" is ridiculous at so many levels.
Man is MORTAL and God is IMMORTAL. You cant be both,its a contradiction in terms.
We all share Gods spirit, dosnt make us almighty God.
Jhn 8v 58 I am is not the name of God. In chp9 v5 same I am.
20v28 same as when Jesus cried out to the same God
Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me.
Forget DNA ,its irrelevant.
CamdenChristadelphia 7 months ago
@CamdenChristadelphia AS 2 THES 2:10-11 SAYS U PERISH COS U FAIL TO BELIEVE THE TRUTH AND THAT IS Y GOD SENDS U A POWERFUL DELUSION THAT U BELIEVE A LIE!!!!!!
arnie365 7 months ago
Satan is having a great time creating chaos here. Let's stay focused on the word of God. Thank you for the great pen analogy, I loved it. I also loved the H2o analogy of water, steam and ice. Continue to deliver the one true word, Thank you, Father God, for leading me to this great link.
lovemyboys4 8 months ago
@lovemyboys4 thank u very much :-) God bless.
arnie365 8 months ago