Martin Kippenberger at MoMA Part II The Paintings

[LawrenceCharlesMille]

Das meine ich auch. Weil er verstanden kunstpolis. Und obwah ich nicht wie Installation oder konzeptioneller Kunst ich vertehe seine. Ich mochte Martin fur die Verwendung unserer geistigen Grenzen als Werkzeuge in seinem Werk.

[MrWowforever]

impressive use of German sir, i'm jealous :)

[LawrenceCharlesMille]

kippenberger got into academics' cubicles and stealthily made love to their minds.

[chandru1103]

and impregnated their eyes.

[MrWowforever]

@LawrenceCharlesMille made me smile:)

[LawrenceCharlesMille]

What can I say - I live among the Amish

MrWow, long time no read!

[MrWowforever]

i admire folks who do things i can't, i admire lots of folks:) i love German Art and would love to read Kant in German:)

[artistkeith3]

Why does he get such praise for eclecticism yet others get damned for it? It's an interesting world. Thanks for bolstering my confidence, Mr. Kalm!

[claureic]

You can be eclectic and pointless, or eclectic and relevant. Kippenberger is praised not because he is merely eclectic. He makes a statement that disturbs people.

[artistkeith3]

I wasn't disturbed, rather inspired actually.

[claureic]

Isn't that the same?

[artistkeith3]

Hardly.

[chandru1103]

damn straight!

[godoter]

He despised Richter & rightly so, Polke was the main self confessed influence (in reality others) in the earlier years but he surpassed Polke quickly though he diidn't realize it for a while.

[slaytonj5]

he is good, but no polke- at least for me //j

[robertgz]

Great commentary, as always.

Poons? Where is Poons?? Poons is the show in NYC now.

Next Poons??

Thanks

[jameslour]

Thank you for your insightful comments. I am most impressed with the range and variety of this artist's work. He seems interested in both concept and formalism. A truly nice blend of both.

[MrWowforever]

thanks mr kalm.........hes one of my favorites:)

[LawrenceCharlesMille]

yes.

Thank you Mr. Kalm.

Best

[garyreef]

Looking at such wonderful art makes you want to paint paint paint

[richiecathrew]

James can you wangle me a couple of tickets to fly to NY and check out this show and tour Brooklyn with you? I can fly economy.

[claureic]

Mix Polke, Baselitz and Clemente and blow the whole mixture up...you may get close to Kippenberger's genius...

[jameskalm]

Other people have thrown Picabia into the mix too. Saltz, (who I ran in to at the preview ) presents him as Germany's Rauschenberg.

[claureic]

Picabia inspired almost everybody who came after him (not that I am a Picabia fan, though).

[MrWowforever]

some of the first abstract artists (Malevich, Rodchencko, Picabia) all had a crisis(?) involving their abstract iconography....they all began to paint almost traditional figurative paintings (not so reproduced). A lot of the figurative work was criticized by purists of abstraction (this was in the 30's). the figurative paintings cast doubt on the earlier abstracts and the new figurations were not wholly accepted because of perceived purity of the abstracts. this paradox created Kippenberger

[claureic]

Hey MrWowforever. It is an interesting point you are making here. Kippenberger may have been the only artist to find a solution to this kind of "mid-career crisis" that many abstractionists encountered . You could also have mentioned Picasso in the 20's, Guston in the 60's and also late De Chirico (no abstractionist, but returning to traditional figure and ridiculed for that). Would you say they all experienced the same self-doubt?

[MrWowforever]

excellent point about decherico. a lot of people think kippenberger is just a 'bad boy'. my point was that he is reflecting a general atttitude in Art. i think abstraction had a 'spiritual' beginning (kandinsky, etc.)...the world wars crushed this 'optimism'.....then Dada.....and now 'doubt' is a constant theme in so much art of the latter half of the 20th cen. and today. Kippenbergers stylistic meanderings, for me, represent a condition of asking questions instead of providing answers. IMO

[claureic]

My opinion is that there is no "progress" in art, that going back to the figure is neither a regression, nor a progress. It is, as you say, asking a new kind of question, and also disturbing people. I hope I am not being pompous by thinking that the role of the artist is to ask the questions that cannot be asked by others, and with means that only he possesses.

[MrWowforever]

...or she. great points. Progress is a historical idea, by that i mean it is seen retrospectively. Duchamps readymades are the cornerstone of the artist as philosopher vs. prophet (picasso). :)

[claureic]

The drawings at 1.12 remind me of Pettibon. I wonder if he was influenced by Kippenberger.

[candeaguilar]

great painter!!

[bobwilsonray]

Makes me wish I were living in NYC so the experience of this art could be direct, but thank you again for being a window into the art scene in New York City. I will have to see this one more than once.

[gilraen789]

Kippenberger is new to me.  Thanks for the intro to a really interesting artist.