Reform or Revolt: The Mass of Pope Paul VI-Pt 2

[ohnopumpkin]

Well done. Very informative. Thank you.

[2biofan]

I know it shouldn't bother me but as what "fatimamovement" said is nothing but a naive if not utterly a childish heresy. the virgin mary can't be in the trinity UNLESS SHE IS A PART OF THE GODHEAD. having mary as GOD with the JC and the holy ghost as god, sounds nothing more than a neo-egyptian religion (Ex. ISIS, HORUS, and SEB, I think). Such an invention is not Christianity and only insane anti-Catholics and/or agnostic scholastic theorists bother to hold or suggest such a claim. Thank You

[Dangerous1966]

Like all movements they is a need for change, as we enter a new era the old sometimes has to give way to the new.

Like all movements they are those for and against it. What the initial movement was striving to change and what the change ended up being.

Just as martin Luther did not want to divide the church but move the church forward, history tells us different.

[Badtothebones100]

Well done, clearly stated, well researched, and almost TOO "fair" in presenting both sides. But you managed to say, without actually pointing too many fingers (where they might actually belong) just why the TLM is the TRUE "Mass of ALL TIME", and the novelty of the NO is a sham and a disgrace, and an occasion of sin to people who have no idea they are not practicing the TRUE Catholic faith. Excellent video, well worth my time. I will share this one, for sure.

[AndreasAntoniusMaria]

Result for the Netherlands, W. Europe: Decline of Church attendance by 95% since 1965 (figures diocese Haarlem-Amsterdam), and further decline is expected. So the 1960s reforms cannot be called a succes? Reluctantly the bishop of Haarlem-Amsterdam gave the basilica St. Agnes to the FSSP, every day a tridentine mass in this Church. Sunday masses are well attended. See the vids I uploaded.

[cambycam]

you go a bit to far equating the Latin Missal to NO....

[Jitpring]

I congratulate you on this video. Excellent work.

Perhaps you should include a list of suggested readings in the side panel>>>>>>>>>

[SAYYOURROSARY]

I'm not jumping ship !!! I'm here fighting

for the Church and you are right the real

Church is still all over ! NOT in the V-2

Masonic temple type "church" you go to

with goofy flags saying peace with a dove

made out of felt on it...AHH you are going to a "messe" that was created and approved by PROTESTANTS and you say sure there have been heresies? What is THAT? If you wear pants outside in public and you are female YOU are MODERNISTIC ! No Scapular ? NOT EVEN CATHOLIC ! wake up

[NativeNewYorkGuy]

The Scapular is pure superstition

[SAYYOURROSARY]

It's not hate ! Why would I waste my time pointing out heresi? Because we are commanded to by St Peter! Many V-2 sect catholics DO NOT KNOW what happend

I am of few elect and do not want to be accused of not trying to convert heretics like yourselg who will accept anthing modern and novel. You are one of the 47% that voted for Obama, birth control?

Abortin O,k, 37%of V2 sect say its ok only 50% believe in the eucharist! Oh yes V2 has done its job...but he Church lives on ask me how ! God Bless

[labota51]

Of course the Church lives on because Christ said it would, "I will be with you even to the end of the world". So your Sede Vacante argument falls apart. Who are you to say that Benedict XVI is not a valid pope? Did someone vote you in as Pope or do you follow the supposed "pope" Pius XIII?

[sundrop1974]

I agree. I think that these people must think that they are Christ. They decide who is a hereitic and what is wrong witht he Church. These sede vacantists are the hereitics, they are the ones in peril. Why don't they just band up behind Pope Pius XIII in montana, I think they deny the working of the Holy Spirit.

[labota51]

There is a crisis in the Church sure, that is readily visible, but dont put yourself out of the barque of Peter and jump ship just because we have had recent Popes who may have been weak and been influenced or tainted by modernism. The Church will correct itself eventually, stamping out ALL the heresies as it always has done. The Church has many enemies, otherwise it would not be Divine, established by Christ.

[labota51]

You assume too much. I did not vote for Obumma, nor attend touchy feely NO services nor would I ever approve of abortion. Modernism has indeed infected the hierarchy and we must fight it from within because thats where the enemy is now. If you leave the Church, then we loose warriors of the true Faith who would rather start up their own "elect" church with no jurisdiction whatsoever grante by Our Lord.

[SAYYOURROSARY]

It was the V-2 anti popes who allowed the homos in and shipped them around. The Freemasonis anti popes were the one who started the ecuminism and made agreements with Jews and Lutherans!

V-2 anti popes were the ones to invite Protestant Ministers to creat and approve of the new Order mess. New order they are telling you it's a new religion. If you consider b16 a valid Pope you are a heretic my friend. I will send you the 101 heresies of B16 don't make a few mistakes pius popes made the reason!

[heartofmygod]

do you have anything better to do than spreading hate go and make a rosary bead and pray for forgiveness. Make reparation like keep silent and stop this hate campain.

[SAYYOURROSARY]

You dinn't point out that the Pre vatican II Popes were not heretics like the Vatican II alleged 'popes" have been. You slid right over the fact the V-2 anti popes did things against the teaching of previous valid pius Popes! Nothing heretical went on before vatican II

[SAYYOURROSARY]

It is NOT O.K. to attend the Protestant approved "New Order" "messe" to approach a doubtful Sacrament (fake "priests" fake "Mass") is a Mortal Sin. Once a Catholic "figures" out Who, What,When,Where..and WHY they can no longer attend the "New Order"(THEY ARE TELLING YOU)

Lukewarm "catholics" will say it's fine, look and see how they live. By their fruits you will know!

[cathcom]

It is also gravely sinful, and delusional, for one to claim magisterial authority when one does not have it.

[SAYYOURROSARY]

I agree the last five alleged popes (must know)they have no authority after breaking SO MANY ex cathedra dogmas. Any Catholic with half a brain is also culpable for not seeing the OBVIOUS EVIL taking place in the Vatican and around the world. All the information NO PROOF is easily available. Either holy Traditional Saints (Popes) were lying or these NEW ORDER (God makes them tell) anti pope of evil are lying....I know who is lying.God Bless You

[hiroshi2020]

@cathcom Exactly!

[21scuderia]

@cathcom you don't have to have magisterial authority to speak out against wrong doing

[21scuderia]

@SAYYOURROSARY well said

[SAYYOURROSARY]

This is a nice video. I learned some things. This video proves this messe was a plan that took awhile to get into place. Who knew so many "Catholics" would just deny their faith for novilty......so sad for the children who know no better ixtoc999 says it all. WE need to fill these poor lost souls in on the truth

work on the New Order "catholics' first and protestors second. The Protestors are too happy being "saved" and are are hard nut to crack...they won't even face the truth or history Thanx

[monktogod]

u welcome n God bless u.Pax

[monktogod]

u welcome.I dont know where u r located but around the world still u can find some catholic churches with the traditional latin mass.Just go to google n search for a church with the old mass in u country.Pax

[richardquartimain]

Hi! by the way I'm from the Philippines.And thanks for the infos!!!

[monktogod]

richardquartimain:U right Novus Ordo Misae of Paul Vi is not valid because never ever was approved by the council.They even changed the words of the consecration in the mass too.Truly catholics do not participate of this novus ordo mass-religion-protestand services from vatican II.Pax

[richardquartimain]

Thanks for agreeing w/ me! yes this Novus Ordo thing was not approved by the council fathers,because it is declining from the true Catholic Doctrine! And now i fear in going to mass.

[monktogod]

John XXIII,Paul VI and John Paul II were guilty of heresy.Pax.

[richardquartimain]

now what?! if this "NOVUS ORDO MISAE" of Paul VI is not valid, so were just saying this mass in VAIN!!! I mean this is useless!

[ixtoc999]

As long as you participated in good faith in the Novus Ordo, you do not have anything to fear. We can see the effects in the priests, the homosexual scandals, the frauds, the lack of seminarians, the slow decline of our church. Now is the time to step up and work together with the good priests and rescue the Catholic Church.

[richardquartimain]

but some of the rituals being used in this new mass of Paul VI was condemned by Pope Pius V & the Council of Trent. such as using vernacular language,using a free standing altar,changing the words of consecration.And to make things worse, this new mass was made w/ the help of 6 Protestant ministers.How can we participate W/ good heart in this mass? were supposed to use our own Catholic mass our very own ritual in the Catholic Church. But here we are acting like heretics in this protestant mass.

[ixtoc999]

TRUE! But just think of the thousands that go to the new mass without knowing better. It is our task TO WARN THEM ABOUT this huge deception. PAX.

[darcmark]

Truely and excellently researched short documentary and the most fair and balanced video I have seen on this subject.

[StealthGoblin1]

Best video I've seen on the subject. I especially appreciate the balanced approach and the point that the liturgical movement and the changes that would be made following Vatican II has roots earlier than the mid-twentieth century.

[Jm4steam]

Excellent!!! I wish more Catholics would see and hear this.

[fuzzy620]

Well done! It clarifies and reaffirms some points which I have been studing. The chronology of events helped a lot in understanding the changes in the liturgical events that have occured. Thank you for your well done video.

[cathcom]

You are most welcome - thank you for your kind words - God bless you.

[matukaze]

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[tleatherland]

The beginning of this video mentions how local languages' words change their meaning over time. A perfect Catholic example is the English word "worship." Two hundred years ago, if a Catholic said, "I worship Mary and the Saints," no one would have thought anything negative about it. It meant "to honor, pay homage to." Now, if someone were to say that, people would gasp in horror. The great thing about a dead language like Latin is that "pro multis" means "for many" today, tomorrow, forever.

[fmorgana]

It's time, isn't it, for a big post scriptum to all this?

[ixtoc999]

What ever happen to the witches? They are coming back in force. We need a new "Malleus Malleficarum" or the hammer of the witches, who truly worship the devil

[hypedup690]

thank you so much for posting these videos, as well as the others of the Traditional Mass...i intend to become a traditional priest, and i was wondering if maybe u had experience with the Intstitute of Christ the King and the FSSP?...o yeah and i agree completely with mgariepy

[cathcom]

Glad you enjoyed it.

[Oblationem]

Thank you well done. It is clear to me that good men? of Novus Ordo crucify the Lord afresh.

[bripat22]

Our Lord cannot be crucified again. Even as a euphemism and as a pious expression, that is heresy

[Oblationem]

Even piously, my my.

O my dying Jesus, I kiss devoutly the cross on which Thou didst die for love of me. I have merited by my sins to die a miserable death, but Thy death is my hope. Ah by the merits of Thy death, give me grace to die embracing Thy feet and burning with love for Thee. I commit my soul into Thy hands. I love Thee with my whole heart; I repent of ever having offended Thee. Never permit me to offend Thee again. Grant that I may Love Thee always...

[cathcom]

You will have to take that up with Fr. Faber.

[jamilmario]

can you put a video about pope John paul I please .

[chandrakavi]

If you want to know about Pope John Paul I, prior to Pope John Paul II, read IN GOD'S NAME by DAVID YALLOP, an English serious reporter asked by the vatican to investigate on Pope John Paul I life and death.The last Italian Pope. The latter have been Polish and the present one German, and probably the next will aso be a foreigner.

[mainsqueeze1977]

Only if you want to read lies and slander.

[chandrakavi]

is there any vio on Pp John Paul I,who lsted 33 days.

It seems afterPaul VI, he was never elected pope.

[Catholicguy]

Very interesting. It is tempting to blame Pope Paul VI for everything wrong in the Church.

[tomdtomd]

Can you publish the sources of your information in the video? There is nothing in the end credits. Thanks.

[cathcom]

The sources are clearly stated within the presentation - is there anything particular reference you wish to address?

[tomdtomd]

I mean all the sources from which the information in your presenation came - a comprehensive bibliography.

[cathcom]

Sorry - we have not developed a comprehensive bibliography - didn't think it would be of any particular value seeing as though the references used througout are clearly identified.

[tomdtomd]

Could you possibly put one together? I'm sure it wouldn't take long to compile a list of the books and articles you used. I am a theology major and would like to research some of the issues you raised further.

[cathcom]

Primary: "The Mass of the Future"-Ellard; "The Progress of the Liturgy"-Rousseau. Both out of print, but frequently available through book services on the internet. Rosmini's works are available online - look most closely at is "The Five Wounds of Christ." Gueranger's work, "The Liturgical Year," provides a wealth of information on authentic Catholic worship. Gamber's "The Reform of the Roman Liturgy," Wiltgen's "The Rhine Flows Into The Tiber," Davies' "Pope John's Council." I hope that helps.

[tomdtomd]

Thank you. I appreciate it.