Хатти - Адыгэ Къафэ / Hatti - Circassian Dance

[didgori1]

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[MegaHitman666]

I was watching a clip about KUBAN COSSACKS dance and song!

Frankly those cossacks are RIDICULOUS when they try to IMMITATE CIRCASSIANS!

When they try to play SHASHKA ,they atre PITIFUL!

KAVKAZ belong to CIRCASSIANS! COSSACKS,CLOWNS,GO back to RUSSIA !

[SuperKeruak]

повесьте кто-нибудь убыхский танецДУМАНИШЕВСКОГО состава Кабардинки 94-95 года

[kabardinpshi]

Dan u guys hear ourselves??? Is Chechen their name?? They are noxchi!!! Chechen is a name given to them must like Circassian was given to all of us..

[kabardinpshi]

Dominated by kabardin then we stole ur dance stole ur moves! WTV man get a life

[kabardinpshi]

Sorry to burst your bubble horaypa?? Did u ever read history?? The Chechens with all due respect have always been an insignificant people in the kafkas just like the Turks, Iranians now called balker, malkar, karachay, Ossetian. The kabsrdins dominated and that's a fact if u read any history book and i guess this is where all your ideology comes from u think just cause all Caucasian peoples weresubgi

[MegaHitman666]

@kabardinpshi ,SHAPSUGS,BESELENIANS,... are not circassians!?

Only KABARDIANS are SIGNIFICANT? With this kind of DISINFORMATION,is not a surprise that RUSSIANS and particularly COSSACKS are so BOLD and confident that they can rule KAVKAZ for ever! UNITED,circassians win,SEPARATED ,russians will stay for ever!

[2807madina]

это танец абхазских махаджиров в турции

[aslanshakua]

По многочисленным просьбам название видео изменено:)

[Pshashechka]

Very nice, but it's not abkhazian, согласна это не абхазский, больше похоже на убыхский

[Kazamuh]

Это не абхазский танец!!!!!!!!

[GoodMoo]

I'm loving it

[budman62]

very beautiful but I don't understand what is Abkhazian in this dance? They don't dance anything Abazin or Abkhazian in this choreography

[Horaypa]

If you ever go to Abhaz-Adighe wedding in Turkey. They start the dance with kafa (Adigha) then turn into Apsua (start watching 1:20 than Apsua starts 1:32. This dance originates from Adapazari. Valeri Tarba put this dance to Sakarya Ansamble and took them to Kavkaz for a show. Rest is history. They (Adigha) call it Hatti dance, Thleperush anything but Apsua just like Georgians. If you look at how they dressed (costumes) that should tell you.

[AndyNapso]

I don't know about Turkey, but i know Abkhazians from Abkhazia don't dance Thleperush and call it Apsua, I asked some Abkhazians about it, it is Adyghe dance, Thleperush means in Adyge leg kick or something like that, and saying Apsua Koshara means Apsua dance.

here people used to dance Thleperush psicha which means fast Thleperush, i don't think it is Abkhazian dance, the Abkhaz dance is well known among Caucasians and it is different from Thleperush.

Where is Adapazari located?

[AndyNapso]

Thleperush psicha isn't danced here anymore, because nobody tried it for years nor learned it, and only one old man remembers it now and it is really shamefull not to dance it anymore in weddings.

my grandmother remembers how only men used to dance it here when she was young in the1930's.

[Horaypa]

Adapazari is in Turkey, Very large Abhaz and Adigha Diaspora live in this area. Kandit Tarba trained Adapazari(Sakarya) ansamble. He is the one first one to put this dance in a show. It is really simle. All our dances start with Kafa and ends with Apsua in our wedding. I never saw Adighe "leg kick" in our communities, it is all Apsua. Adigha renamed Chechen dance as Sheshen as if it was a different dance. They must be related to Georgians, stealing dances and renaming them. Sad bunch

[AndyNapso]

wait are you an Abkhaz?

do you think that this dance started in Adapazari?

first put on stage show is something else, but this dance is 100% Adyghe dance, you can ask Sharatyn dance master (Abkhazia's ensemble) and Nalmes dance master too.

and about Chechen thing, it is not Chechen, Chechen dance is different, well here in Kfar Kama we call it Shishan or Sheshan which means horse character or behavior, even some call it Shushan (mostly the Abadzekh) which means horseman character.

[AndyNapso]

Do you know that there are alot of Adyghe people in Turkey who dance Thleperusha? not only in Adapazari area, but in Duzje and Kaysiri and others, i met them and some moved to live here they said something like Abaza call to Thleperush "Apsua Koshara" but it ain't right, Abaza dance is different, it is the known Abkhaz dance not Thleperush.

and I don't think Georgians steall dances, why you say bad things about Adyghe and Georgians? what did they did to you?

[AndyNapso]

And this Kandit or Valeri Tarba guy, in what years you talk about exactly?

[meccana]

@Horaypa Adigha "stole" the dance from Chechen culture?

"Sheshen" sounds a lot like "Chechen". The reason behind that might be because that's how it's pronounced in Adigha, thus relating the dance to the Chechen people.

Why are you antagonizing Adigha in front of Chechens? We're true brothers.

You have to relax man, too much negative energy, not a suitable atmosphere for Circassian / Chechen dances.

[AndyNapso]

no it is not related to chechen brother, you see shishen means horse behaving or acting like a horse in adyghe language, i know it souds like chechen but it is a coincidence only, here we never saw chechens neither our grandfathers, and we danced ever Qafa, Shishen and Tleprefie psicha.

the classic Shishen is not like chechen dance at all, only in these days it become more similar to the known lezginka but still it gots its own style, like every caucasian nation got its own style

[Horaypa]

I don't know about stealing but it is Chechen dance and this Sheshen or what ever you are calling it have every element of the moves Chechen dance have. You copied it and called it Adigha dance just like Georgians making up names for the dances from different parts of the Kavkas they present . They modernize it maybe but cultural aspects are foreign to Original Georgian culture.

I am relaxed by the way. Don't distort cultures, learn from it that is all am saying

Cheers

[AndyNapso]

if only you knew our language, simple saying Shshen or Shishen means horse move or horse character, and i told you the Abzakh elders call Shushan which it means horseman character.

nobody steal dances, chechen dance in different style, just like Dagestan dance in different style and even the Abkhaz dance is like Lezginka moves too, only they add the part of side movings, but the main move is just like the so called "Lezginka", so how you explain that? there is no copy here it is simply common

[Horaypa]

If you think Lezginka and Apsua Koshara look the same, I ve nothing to say to you. Islamey on the other hand is another story. Watch both and tell me difference.

Islamey-Lezginka

Shushan-Chechen

Hatti / Thleperush- Apsua

catch my drift :-)))

[AndyNapso]

First of all the known and so called Lezginka is not the reall dance of Lezgins, Lezgins doesn't dance like that at all.

Apsua Koshara i ment is the original one, not what you think as the Tleperush, you live in a little bubble, to tell you the truth no wonder why Georgians think that Abkhazians are descendents of Adyghe :)

Tleperush is 100% Adyghe dance not Apsua Koshara and it is worldwide known, only in your little Adzapari little bubble surrounded area you dream it is yours, you diggg??

[AndyNapso]

and what exactly Apsua Koshara means??? translate it plz, we call our dances in names that mean something, not just like that we call "Adyghe dance" Adyghe Koshara :))

everything you got came from Adyghe and Georgians

[AndyNapso]

you mean here in this clip? all are adyghe parts, only different dances, the first one is Tleperife the other is Shishen.

there is no an Abkhaz dance here at all.

[Horaypa]

Stop the video at 00:11 and tell me what it says. Since when Adighas wear head scarfs like this one. This was staged as Diaspora dance first, it was Sakarya ansamble. Watch all the old Kavkaz ansambles clips 25 years or older from homeland you will not see ONE clip of this dance not ONE. I dare you. Yes I am full blood Abhaz, grew up in this culture/music. There is no such dance Sheshan i is CHECHEN. Only thing horse charecter in this dance is the made up name.

Cheers

Hora-Ipa

[AndyNapso]

i don't care what it says, you think the russian who sat in the edit room knew what he was seeing??

this is Shapsugh dance, Shapsugh live in black sea coast district, just like Abkhazians and they too wear head scarfs.

the Georgian Adjarians and Mengrelians were those head scarf too because they too live in black sea coast, so maybe it is georgian dance???

[Horaypa]

Abhazians and Georgians have 2,000 yrs of common history. It is normal to have cultural exchange. More than half of the Abhazians have Georgan relatives. There are no more than 10000 Shapsugh left in Kavkas and not one of them have pictures of head scarves. They are historically from Sochi area. Diaspora Sapsughs in Turkey dance Kafa,Wuich and some CHECHEN and NO head scarfs. By the way Russian didn't edit that video. Same dance called Hatti. Which ne is it. You call it Anyhing but Apsua

[AndyNapso]

so you admit that Abkhazia is Georgia if you had a common history?

visit the Circassian worldwide brotherhood galleries and see some Adyghe with the HOOD on tied on their head, you don't know that it is the hood don't you?

everything that is written in your kingdom is Georgian alphabet Georgian architecture, sometime is say to my self why the hell we Adyghe try to prove Georgians that Abkhazians are Abkhazians, now i realize that georgians were right :)) you are a fake.

[Horaypa]

Abhaz flag have 7 stars,each represent tribes joined the Abhaz Kingdom back in 3rd century.We than joined Laz and Migrelians to our Kingdom. Around 14th century with kartvelians. We shared kingdom but not linguistically not related to them.We are the only mountain people joined to USSR as independent state.We are related to Adighas but didn't share common history last 2000 years. Yes we did use Georgian alphabet.None of the mountain people have written language including you Adighas...

[AndyNapso]

we had out own Alphabet too, you can find it in ICCS documents, the Kassog (Kabardians ancestors) alpahbet, the flag with seven stars represent the seven holy places for Abkhaz, what you said is new to me, i never heard it from an Abkhaz.

[Horaypa]

There is no need to get upset over difference of opinions. I am not here to exchange insults or try to pissing contest. What Georgians (not majority only extreme Nationalists) don't mandate anything. I have no animosity toward Georgians. i respect their culture and enjoy watching them dance. 2000 yrs of history can't be fake. Because literary side we have no written language, our sources are foreign that including our history or our literature in (Russian-Georgian). I am done on this...

[AndyNapso]

I don't get upset neither, it is you who started saying strange things.

[AndyNapso]

there are no Abkhazians in kavkaz dance Tleperush, but Shapsugh in diaspora dance it there are 3 million Adyghe in tukrey and most of them dance Tleperush, how many Abkhazians exist on this planet that you speak of?? only maybe 200,000.

Shapsugh didn't left in kavkaz because they fought those who left there are the ones who didn't fought so figure it our what it means

[Horaypa]

No Abhaz or Adigha dance in Kavkaz, NONE!!! This is why I said Diaspora Dance. It is danced in Turkish Diaspora. Not in desert countries(Jordan, Syria) either. We do our weddings with Adighas therefore we dance their dance (Kafa) they do ours Apsua. Dance start with Kafa and comletes with Apsua than dancers change do it all over again. Kafa-Apsua, Kafa-Apsua not leperush. I am done talking. There is no need for insults it is Haynapa am I right ??? (my mother is Hatukay by the way)

[AndyNapso]

Desert?? i live in Israel and i told you we had a dance here called "Tleperush psicha" psicha means "Fast" in adyghe

and there are some versions in Tleperush, just like in Qafa too, for example Kabardians dance Qafa very different in kavkaz while here we dance it different too.

your Apsua is the known Abkhaz dance, it is called in Abkhaz "Erakho" or something like that.

this is Shapsugh dance, Apsuva koshara is not a name for a dance, it is just like saying Adyghe dance or Chechen dance.

[AndyNapso]

there are 3 million Adyghe in Turkey and you are saying their only national dance that they preserved is Abkhaz dance??, you can't prove it, i don't know why the hell they named it UBYKH dance, nobody ever saw original Ubykhs dance, they are vanished and their language is dead so how come their dance is alive!??

this dance is danced by Shapsugh and Abkhaz (probably by Sadz) as you say, so maybe it is a common dance for Black sea area dwellers.

[AndyNapso]

Hatti call this Tleperife (in kabardian dialect) there is another edition of this dance that have an abkhaz part in the end, so maybe it is their mistake, but this dance is Tleperush and this name existed more than your life, while Koshara only mean simply "dance" and Tleperush means "leg kick" just like the dance itself.

the hood tie on the head is common to all black sea area tribes like Adyghe (Natuqai, Shapsugh, Ubykh) and Abkhaz and Georgians (Megrels, Adjarians and Gurians)

[AndyNapso]

you talk about 25 years ago i talk about more than 60 years ago!

you say in kavkaz they didn't danced it, i know that, even in Abkhazia they didn't danced this, how come in Abkhazia the known dance there is the known "Apsua Koshara"?? and not this Tleperush.

besided all music here are adyghe the first one is 100% shapsugh called "horashe"

and the "Shkepshine" insturment the Violin look alike here in 01:07 is Adyghe not Abkhaz

you are living in a bubble i advice you to wake up.

[Horaypa]

Watch from 1:56 on those are Apsua moves in any town Turkey. Most of the figures are more clear in Adapazari region Big Apsua population) actually copied exactly. Sharatin actually added this to their Koshara if you lsten the part with squeez box (Mizika). By the way in Turkey Adighas use accordion and Abhaz people use Mizika. One you call Shkepshine used by every Kavkas group not strictly Adigha instrument. I wish you could show one picture or video as a proof for me but I doubt it.

[AndyNapso]

I don't got Videos here, about this particular dance, and Shkepshine is authentic Adyghe instrument, it seems you don't know much about us, I know Apsua in Turkey dance this dance and call it Koshara but it is wrong this is not an Abkhaz dance at all, come here and i will arrange a meeting with my grandmother and she will tell you how people here used to dance Tleperush more than 60 years ago, the majority caucasian people in Turkey are Adyghe and they all dance this until this day.

[aslanhadiga10]

tee peshnawa he ha niceee video :)

[hollholl01]

Yasasin ABKHAZYA,

Milli oyunlarinin guzelligine,

Kulturune bak.

VIVE ABKHAZYA

[XoOxLina]

mraaaaaa

[batschch]

Адыгэхэр Алыхьым Къыухъумэ

[LisAdiga1]

wonderful!! ;)

[ahmadjawadi]

Very beautiful dancing, fantastic clothes.

[norvadin1234]

very nice dance

[madbiker53]

cool

[qrUnqestyLe]

oh my god.. im totaLLy.. inLove.. x)))

[mparmparos]

Yes,nice dance!

[AbrekGirl]

Nice:)