Edwin Pope and Bill Nack's distinct quotes, "After starting a little slow, Pat Day decided to do NOTHING and settled EG 12 lengths back.Then, Day cost EG a full head of steam down the backstretch.He put out the fire of a splendid champ in full flame(Day said he gave him "breathers" on the far turn in both the Preakness&Classic).If Day&McCarron switched mounts,or Bailey or Cordero rode Easy Goer, EG never loses by a desperate neck and inch in 2 races."
Pat Day's riding was so despicably bad that even the unbiased Californian expert Bill Christine stated the obvious. It surely wasn't just Day admitting his riding was "absolute jockey errors", or all the eastern experts, that is for sure.
Easy Goer won 14 races in a hand ride, who really cares. But the official charts say "won driving" and the reason is because McCarron was throwing crosses,shaking him up,shaking the reins and showing the horse the whip. And more importantly,Whittingham gave him the order to not hit the horse.
Clearly the better horse head to head??? Noor beat Citation 4 of 5 head to head. Beau Purple beat Kelso 3 of 4 head to head. Dr Fager lost 2 of 4 to Damascus head to head. Formal Gold beat Skip Away 4 of 6 head to head. Big Spruce beat Forego 2 of 3 head to head. Interco beat John Henry 2 of 3 head to head.Get over it.
But Easy Goer was always undoubtedly a top ten all time thorobred in talent,ability,constitution, record speed-stamina combo, with the clear evidence of this coming from his many,many top ten all time performances in his life at every distance, 6.5F,7F,8F,9F,10F,12F, but the 2 typically atrocious Pat Day rides that got him beat a nose and desperation neck in 2 races vs. an also great in ss, sent him into the thirties where ss always belonged. There is nothing wrong with the thirties, yes.
Surprises you? They all deserve and get credit. Well Citation lost 4 of 5 races to Noor. Kelso lost 3 of 4 to Beau Purple. Dr Fager lost 2 of 4 to Damascus. Skip Away lost 4 of 6 to Formal Gold. John Henry lost 2 of 3 to Interco. Forego lost 2 of 3 to Big Spruce.
Sunday Silence is AMAZING! For crying out loud....give credit where credit is due!! He beat Easy Goer where it counted, on the track! To say Easy Goer is clearly the better horse SURPRISES me!! They are both tremendous animals and that Preakness was phenomenal!! I'm not saying Pat Day didn't ride bad but it doesn't change what Sunday Silence did. He is one of the GREAT's and always will be.....as will Easy Goer. Both great animals :)
Andy Beyer: "Easy Goer is ran FASTER and BETTER at the ages of two and three years old than AFFIRMED, Seattle Slew and Spectacular Bid.".....Andy Beyer: On the anddownthestretchtheycome website, said after Pat Day's career was over and Beyer was interviewed, he lamented Day's riding on EG and in general of the man he called Pat "wait all" Day.
There is nothing unusual about great jockeys getting replaced. Steve Cauthen got replaced on Affirmed. Bill Shoemaker got replaced on Dr Fager etc. The Phipps stable could have any jockey they wanted on EG. They had millions of dollars riding on his success in races. They stuck with Pat Day for EGs entire career. Evidently they didn't think he was so "horrible" & neither did the numerous winners he produced in Triple Crown races & BC's that compares favorably with Bailey/Cordero/Stevens.
Andy Beyer continues: "No conditions seem to faze him. When he encountered an unfamiliar muddy track at the Kentucky Derby, he handled it successfully--while Easy Goer didn't. When he was stopped cold at a critical stage of the Preakness--trouble that would have spelled certain defeat for almost any other horse--he recovered immediately and rushed back into contention."
Andy Beyer: "SS is the most adaptable champion since Affirmed. He has raw speed that enables him to be a front-runner if his jockey chooses. He can sit behind the leaders and use that speed to accelerate sharply at a crucial stage of the race--as he did when he out-kicked Easy Goer on the turn at the Breeders' Cup."
If Pat Day was "typically atrocious" as you claim, he NEVER would have been given the opportunity to ride in and win so many triple crown races, breeders cup races etc. The fact that he competed at this level in so many races for decades underscores the fact that he was one of the great jockeys of all time. Owners & trainers aren't such complete fools that they would consistently & for so long rely on a typically atrocious jockey, a clear indication that Pat Day is nothing of the kind.
Pat Day's(who calls his own riding "total &absolute pilot error in one race & I didn't ride my best race in the other",&because of his stats could not ride awful &bad races in his career, funny) start & stop, start &stop, start &stop,start & stop,stop & start "Total & absolute pilot error", and "I didn't ride my best race" cost EG by a nostril&desperate neck in two outs vs.another great in SS.But despite them,like Top 100 states,"Easy Goer will always be mentioned in same breath with all timers
@EASYGOER4LIFE Great point.When a book,"Race for the Triple Crown" written by Joe Drape and quoted many trainers, including Lukas,etc,has the majority of a whole chapter devoted to Pat Day's "deliberate,passive,horrible" riding and where "Lukas replaced Day numerous times with Bailey,Cordero,Stevens, and most insulting of all with Donna Barton." "What frustrated Lukas and every other trainer that used Day was he "waited,waited and waited more and it cost many of his mounts, top and bottom ones."
Funny again! So due to the fact that Cordero won TRIPLE the amount of Kentucky Derby's then Day did, &won 13 riding titles at Saratoga to Day's zero,that must then make Cordero better than Day?Due to the fact that Bailey won more Derbies and won more B.C. races from less mounts & won 3 more eclipse titles & 4 more earning titles than Day did, that makes Bailey automatically better than Day?&due to the fact that Pincay won 5 more jockey earning titles and more eclipse titles,must be stats?
@EASYGOER4LIFE I agree 100%,&could not have put it any better!t was never about comparing stats of jockey's,&I never once ever compared there stats.Who cares that Cordero won more Derby's or won 14 more riding titles atSaratoga than Day,orBailey won more Derby's,more Cup's,more eclipse awards&more earn.titles thanDay,orPincay won more jockey titles&eclipse awards than Day?OrDay won more Preakness', the supposed king of KY,rode his only Derby winner when AP Indy had to scratch&Arazi had knee surg
@DELMARCLUB1 I also agree 100% with this hilarious thing that because of Day's many wins in big races, that must mean that Day didn't ride typically atrociously and cost so many top horses eclipse awards and big races?Well, Day's typically atrocious riding cost so many top horses eclipse awards and huge races- Java Gold in 87',Easy Goer,Sky Classic in 92',Turkoman in 86',Forty Niner in 88',Menifee in 99',Heavenly Prize in 94'.95',Seeking the Gold in 88',89',Paradise Creek,Surfside,Banshee Breeze
@DELMARCLUB1 I also agree 100% with this hilarious thing that because of Day's many wins in big races, that must mean that Day didn't ride typically atrociously&cost so many top horses eclipse awards and big races?Well,Day's typically atrocious riding cost so many top horses eclipse awards and huge races- Java Gold in 87',Easy Goer,Sky Classic in 92',Turkoman in 86',Forty Niner in 88',Menifee in 99',Heavenly Prize in 94'.95',Seeking the Gold in 88',Paradise Creek,Surfside,Banshee Breeze
Funny again! So due to the fact that Cordero won TRIPLE the amount of Kentucky Derby's then Day did, and won 13 riding titles at Saratoga to Day's zero,that must then make Cordero better than Day? Due to the fact that Bailey won more Derbies and won more B.C. races from less mounts and won 3 more eclipse titles & 4 more earning titles than Day did, that makes Bailey automatically better than Day?&due to the fact that Pincay won 5 more jockey earning titles and more eclipse titles,must be stats?
Put Laffit Pincay,Angel Cordero or Jerry Bailey on Easy Goer and EG NEVER gets beat a nose and desperation neck in 2 races due to typically atrocious Pat Day riding, and being totally outridden and beaten with race riding and antics.
@DELMARCLUB1 If Laffit Pincay, Angel Cordero, and Jerry Bailey are so superior to the "typically attocious" Pat Day, why is it that Pat Day has won more Preakness Stakes races than all three of them combined? If Pat Day is so "typically attrocious, why did he win more triple crown races than any of the above? If Pat Day was really "attrocious" as a jockey, why was he so successful in these most prestigous of horse races? Why did he even get to ride in any of these races???
Kind of like Noor shaking out of fear beating Citation 4 of 5. Or Damascus beating Dr. Fager 2 of 4. Or Beau Purple beating Kelso 3 of 4. Or Big Spruce beating Forego 2 of 3. Or Mehmet beating John Henry 2 of 3. Pat Day's typically atrocious riding got so many top horses beat,not just Easy Goer in 2 races. Java Gold,Turkoman,Sky Classic,Forty Niner,Heavenly Prize,Seeking the Gold,Paradise Creek,Surfside,Banshee Breeze and so many more feared being ridden by the typically atrocious Pat Day.
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LOL SS ,if he could have understood math,he would have been shaking out of fear. LOL Head to head those 120+ beyers sure didn't do EG any good vs SS!! LOL you guys will still be whining about what SS did to EG when your 80+ years old!
"Easy Goer was the better, more phenomenal,extraordinary horse, but was defeated by a whisker and desperate neck in two races because Pat Day rode him like the exposed end of a live wire,rode him horribly." So true and correct, and many of the racing experts stated it. Heck, even Pat Day did.
LOL! It is not a hand ride when the jockey is throwing crosses, shaking him up, and showing the horse the whip, and the trainers tells the jockey not to hit him with the whip! Easy Goer's Belmont romp was a hand ride
Easy Goer was simply the vastly faster racehorse, Easy Goer ran seven or eight 120+ or higher beyers in his career(that is double more than any horse since Bid, including Ghostzapper,Alysheba,John Henry,Cigar,Holy Bull,Skip Away,Curlin,Zenyatta,etc) while SS ran ONE!!ONE!. Easy Goer was the vastly,faster horse and was over deeper,slower eastern tracks, but two despicable rides is what cost him by an inch and desperate neck in two races.
@EASYGOERFLIES Easy Goer was not "simply" the vastly faster racehorse. It is not that SIMPLE. Ray Paulick notes, even though EG had devastating power in the straights, SS was the more nimble of the two, could accelerate much more quickly, and was faster in tight turns. Paulick explains that when EG pulled alongside of SS entering the far turn of the BC, Chris McCarron felt he had a big advantage. He did not believe EG possessed SS's ability to accelerate in the turns. Events proved him right.
But the dramatic difference between all those typically atrocious Pat Day rides was that Easy Goer was always no doubt a top ten all timer in talent,heart,ability,constitution,speed-stamina combo, with the clear proof of that comin from his many,many top ten all time performances in his career at every distance, but the 2 typically atrocious Pat Day rides that got him beat a nose and desperation neck in 2 races put him down into the thirties where ss always belonged.
Pat Day ONLY rode Easy Goer atrociously bad in 2 races? No, not in the least. Pat Day's atrocious riding cost so many top horses eclipse awards,breeders cup races,derby's,awards- Sky Classic,Easy Goer,Java Gold,Turkoman,Forty Niner,Menifee,Heavenly Prize,Seeking the Gold,Paradise Creek,Surfside,Banshee Breeze and so many others
Not just Crist, but like the Bloodhorse top 100 book in the Easy Goer article also, "Easy Goer will ALWAYS be mentioned in the same breath with the GREATEST of ALL TIME", despite the two awful kid gloves and baby hands rides that cost him by a nostril and desperate neck in two outs.
Same thing just in different words from Steve Crist, "If not for the 2 typically atrocious rides that got him beat a nose and desperation neck in 2 races, Easy Goer would be mentioned in the same reverential breath as Man O'War,Secretariat and Citation, and his campaign acclaimed the greatest in racing history."
Sunday Silence 3 Easy Goes 1 in head to head races enough said... SS also had 2 different jockeys during those meetings . I wonder if the comentator hadn't used the term desperate neck if the race would've been looked at different? SS was under a hand ride.EG needed the longer distance like his only win in the Belmont.SS rules on
Like many of the racing experts from all parts of the country stated, but stated the most correct by Paul Moran of Espn, "Easy Goer was the better and more extraordinarily and remarkable talented horse, but was defeated by an inch and desperate neck in two races because Pat Day rode him like the exposed end of a live wire, rode him horribly." So true and correct.
Easy Goer was always undoubtedly a top ten thoroughbred in talent,ability,speed,stamina, with the glaringly clear proof of that coming from his many,many top ten thorobred performances in his career at all distances, but the two ridiculously bad typical Pat Day rides that got him beat a nose and neck in two races, sent him down into the thirties where ss always belonged.
I think drfager01 mentioned it, and I agree wholeheartedly, Easy Goer was a Hall of Fame horse who had record speed at a mile(1:32.2) and shorter distances, and superb and fabulously brilliant stamina to run the second fastest Belmont of all time, and run many superb performances at all other distances, but Pat Day rode him with "kid gloves and baby hands", rode him awful to get him beat a nostril and desperate neck in two races. I agree
Easy Goer will always be mentioned in the same breath with the greatest of all times, in spite of the two appalingly awful rides that got him beat a nostril and desperate neck in two races. SS was never nor will ever be mentioned with the Dr. Fager's, Secretariat,Kelso,Forego,Buckpasser,Damascus,etc.
Easy Goer was no doubt at all a Top 5 or 10 all time thoroughbred in talent and ability, but the two atrocoious rides that got him beat a nose and neck, put him down where ss always belonged in the thirties
Edwiin Pope said it greatly on Day's extremely bad riding, Paul Moran said it greatly as well. So did Nack, Crist, Watchmaker and many others besides Day.
I SAID, black kettle, "DON'T scoff at what Valenzuela STILL says about Arazi being the best horse he ever rode and better than SS. Valenzuela was the rider for both horses, he was on both horses.
Scoff at what McCarron said, but don't scoff at what Valenzuela always said and STILL says. Arazi's own trainer Boutin admitted that one mile turf prep for the Derby gave " HIM NO CHANCE" to win the Derby. But I would say SS was better at three obviously, but Valenzuela still says Arazi was better.
Pat Valenzuela was the REGULAR rider of BOTH SS and Arazi, and he STILL says Arazu was better and the best horse he ever rode in a 2007 interview! Is that recent enough. His own rider says Arazi was better than SS! His own regular rider.
Robert if you disagree go back and look at Arazi's 3 yr old record,and compare it to his 2 yr old record. Then look at SS at age 3,and tell me who would have won at 9F and up? LOL!
Easy Goer was undoubtedly a top 5 or 10 all time horse in ability and talent, but the two extremely atrocious rides that got him beat a nose and neck, put him down where SS always belonged in the thirties
Easy Goer will always be mentioned with the greatest thoroughbreds of all time, in spite of the two awful awful rides that got him beat a whisker and neck.
I don't need Pat Day to tell me Easy Goer was the better racehorse, and that his terrible riding got him beat. Or for all the racing journalists as well.
Black kettle, if you want to say that that's fine, go right ahead. It will never change the fact that Valenzuela was the regular rider of SS, and he still says and has always said that Arazi was better than SS, "he could do way more than SS." That is coming from Valenzuela who rode him his whole career, except for one or two races.
Easy Goer was always a Top 5 or 10 all time racehorse in talent and ability, but the two atrocious rides that got him beat a nose and neck, put him down where s.s. always belonged in the thirties.
@DELMARCLUB1 Where did I scoff at what McCarron said? Can you read? Robert said he understood why McCarron didn't rate SS as high as some of the other horses he rode,because he wasn't SS's regular rider! In contrast I have always said it was no surprise that Day thought EG was better because he was EG's ONLY RIDER! Do you get it? LOL!
@DELMARCLUB1 That some of your "friends" take everything Day says as holy gospel. Was why I mentioned it is no big shock Day still thinks EG was better,because he was EG's only rider. Robert just contradicted himself. I suggest you get some reading lessons,if you think I was scoffing at McCarron!
Valenzuela knows and knew SS as well as Day knew EG. And Valenzuela will always say that Arazi was better than SS. In fact, just recently, he said, "Arazi had way more ability than SS, he could do much more than SS." So take it from his regular rider, Valenzuela.
@flyrobertfly45 Well Robert,using your :logic", that means Arazi should have been able to wipe the floor with EG as well. Because we do know EG had trouble dealing with SS! Since you want to play stupid little games here it goes! LOL! So here you are cornered by your own comment. Let me hear all this EG woulda rolled Arazi..............! LOL!
LOL! Black kettle. Pat Valenzuela was the REGULAR rider of SS. And he still says, and has always said, and has never changed, that Arazi was better than SS!! That is ALOT more telling to me, what Valenzuela says, much more tham McCarron! LOL
@flyrobertfly45 Once again Robert,anyone with any sense(and if you asked PVAL he have to agree with this) could see Arazi was obviously a much better 2 yr old than SS. SS on the other hand was clearly superior to Arazi at 3. To debate that is evidence of your being clueless! Arazi in the K-Derby,made a big surging move,but he flattened out in the stretch. Why? Because 10 furlongs was too far for him. 10F wasn't too far for SS now was it Robert? LOL!
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Wow Robert,without even realizing it you proved what I had been saying all along on why Day felt EG was better than SS,despite losing 3 of 4 to him! When you said McCarron favored JH,ALY,FH,etc. over SS. You said you understand that because McCarron was the regular rider of those horses and not on SS! What??? and you guys scoff when I mentioned that Day feels that way because he was the ONLY rider on EG! LOL
Easy Goer was NO doubt whatsover a Top five or ten all time thoroughbred in ability and talent, but the two extremely bad bad rides that got him beat a nose and neck, put him down where SS always belonged in the thirties.
WE ALL know why Easy Goer will be mentioned in the same breath with the greatest of all time in spite of the the two atrocious rides that got him beat a nose and neck, like Kelso, Secretariat and Dr. Fager. I wonder? Lol
Easy Goer will always be mentioned with the likes of Secretariat, Dr Fager and Kelso, despite the two awful awful rides that got him beat a nostril and neck. Always and forever, I wonder why.
Pat Valenzuela still says and will always say that Arazi was better than SS. Heck, McCarron still says and puts John Henry, Alysheba, Tiznow, Free House ahead of SS, but I can understand that, as McCarron was not SS regular rider.
SS got destroyed by Easy Goer, got beat in a G2, lost three times at Hollywood Park, and his own jockey still states that Arazi was a better horse than SS. EG only got beat by two terrible rides by a nose and neck.
Easy Goer was no doubt whatsoever a Top 5 or 10 all time racehorse in talent and ability, but the two atrocious rides that got him beat a nose and neck, put him down where SS always belonged in the thirties.
@DELMARCLUB1 Your horse had his chances to put SS where he belonged,as you like to put it. LOL! thank God races are not run on paper,or EG would have been undefeated and hailed as the next Man O' War,Secretariat,etc. BUT the reality of what happened is evidently just too hard for you guys to handle. So we get all this BS about how EG would have crushed SS if only this,that,or the other had or hadn't happened! Do you not see the pattern? LAUGH OUT LOUD CLOWNS!
Easy Goer will always be mentioned with the best of all time, Dr. Fager, Secretariat, Kelso, and he will always be, despite the two awful rides that got him beat a whisker & neck.
Easy Goer-Hail and tribute to the TRUE and REAL Hall of Fame champion great who could run any distance, from sprint to mile to classic to marathon, and run any distance brilliantly and SS could NOT!! NOT!! EG only got beat by two atrocious rides by a nose and neck.
The better racehorse always was and always will be Easy Goer. Easy Goer died very young after siring just a few crops and had no chance at stud, but still is sire and broodmare sire of Corinthian, Storm Flag Flying, Will's Way, My Flag,Magical Fantasy,etc. SS was the leading sire in Japan, he did nothing in Europe and USA.
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I bet Sunday Silence 4 races in a row and got paid in all. Kent/Preak/ Belmont/Classic. He was a much better horse and stud too. Give up EG lovers. Give up.
That is true, we wake up everyday and know exactly why Easy Goer lost by a nose and neck. It was clear as Day(no pun intended)! Two nimwit and very bad rides is why! And plenty plenty of those DRF people said and still say the same thing. Even the legendary Bill Nack
Indeed, every horse behind on the scoreboard has to be the lesser horse! Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer,Whirlaway, Round Table, Forego, John Henry, Ancient Title, Native Diver, Skip Away,Unbridled, Pleasant Colony, Kotashaan,etc..! They all are, the scoreboard tells YOU so! LOL
Well, I had to go back and watch the tape myself of the Gotham mile. And the tape does not lie at all. That is exactly how far back Easy Goer was in this race. All u have to do is watch the race. Heck, the video is now in your favorites, it will show you.LOL
No, we wake up everyday knowing that EG got beat by by two atrocious rides by a nose and neck. Heck, even Pat Day admits to one being atrocious, and still states it. Although this ride was just as atrrocious.
You got watch the video of the Gotham, and you tell me if I am wrong. Better yet, go on there and watch and you tell me how far back EG was in the Gotham with 6F to run, and with 4F to run! You tell me black kettle.
Funny thing about all this,in the end you clowns still have wake up everyday and realize SS DID win those races vs EG,and you still have to deal with the fact that EG didn't put SS in his place,as you guys love to say,well I guess he did in your dreams! 20 years later and the EG woulda shoulda coulda BS is still being spewed out by a bunch of whining sore loser fans! LOL!!! Thats beyond dispute boys! LOL!!!
Cont-Fact that EG demonstrated unreal stamina BEFORE the Preakness,and he showed it AFTER the Preakness. But somehow he was lacking stamina in the Preakness? Wow the intense desire to discredit SS for having something to do with it is very very petty by you guys. Hey I guess the beat just goes on doesn't it Champ? LOL!
Wow Champ it is very convenient to use the names of DRF people like Crist,Watchmaker,and yet you guys are running around claiming the DRF screwed up royally on the 89 Gotham past performance chart. One day the DRF is inept,and the next they are end all say all to everything! Which way is it Champ? Once again your all over the map on this DRF thing! Funny how you guys contest the DRF's chart call as far as where EG was at all points of the race. All in an attempt to explain away the solid,Cont-
Easy Goer was absolutely no doubt a Top 5 or 10 racehorse in talent and ability, but the two atrocious rides that beat him a nose and neck, put him down where SS always belonged in the thirties.
Two awful rides cost the better thorouhgbred by a nose & neck. And if Pat Day only admits to one ride being awful and costing him, that is o.k. This one was awful awful, and plenty more people than just Pat Day can see that and saw it.
I don't really care about all the others, but Easy Goer was back then, and will always be the better racehorse, but two nimwit and very bad rides got him beat a nostril and neck.
Besides all the horses that were behind on the scoreboard. I agree with Steve Crist, Bill Nack, Pat Day, Mike Watchmaker, Joe Hirsch, Haskin, Finley, Paul Moran, and many others on feeling another horse behind on the scoreboard was better.
LOL! Just like every horse that was behind on the scoreboard wasnt better, right DOC BE109?? Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Round Table,Forego, John Henry, Ancient Title, Unbridled (lost 4 of 6 to Summer Squall),Whirlaway, Native Diver, Skip Away, Pleasant Colony, Kotashaan, Ferdinand- ALL were NOT better than the horses that were ahead of them on the scoreboard! RIGHT?
Pat Day still says his Preakness ride was absoluite rider error, and he was right 100%!! If he doesn't say his Classic ride was bad, then so be it. It was. He was on cloud nine early on sleeping indeed.
Pat Day sent Easy Goer through an insanely premature 21 and change quarter in the Preakness..His 23 1/5 quarter in the Classic was not similar at all. Was the Whitney similar? NO. Was the Belmont move similar? NO. The Travers? NO
No comparison at all from the move in the Preakness to his 23 2/5 move in the Classic..Or for that matter to his Whitney, his Belmont, his Travers. None at all.
According to you, EVERY single horse ahead on the scoreboard has to better than the other horse because the SCOREBOARD says so! That is what you said many times starting 3 YEARS ago.
I can feel EG is better than SS all I want, and all anybody else wants to. His amazing final times and gallop outs prove how great Easy Goer was. It doesnt out right mean that he was better. Just hif final times and gallop out times buy themselves. ALOT more factors than just that.
Cont- That EG was the clearly superior horse DESPITE losing 3 of 4 to SS! Your BS about it IS ALL OVER THE EG,and or SS videos! LOL! This is clear proof I have you rattled big time! Whats wrong, having a hard time coming up with a reason on how EG had LEGENDARY stamina in all his races BEFORE the Preakness,and had it again in all of his races AFTER the preakness? Yet you want us to accept that somehow EG was magically absent of that VAUNTED LEGENDARY STAMINA in the Preakness? Sorry its an excuse
Champ you have been backtracking ever since I brought up this strange phenomena of yours,and your "friends", known as the "EG MAGICALLY HAD NO STAMINA IN THE PREAKNESS,YET HE DID EVERYWHERE ELSE!" EVERYTHING you say has the odor of "SS was just a lucky horse",and thats something you have no chance of getting out from under! Like I said,I have once again allowed you to trap yourself with your very own bragging. And now all of a sudden your crying U never was saying all these things to show,CONT-
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And Champ I guess when you constantly bring up if not for Days bad rides EG woulda rolled SS,you were not denigrating SS's greatness? How about all the other endless excuses? Like how EG had race compromising slow starts? How about him being compromised by running in the 12 F. JCGC? Or how about Day's cocking of EG's head in the preakness was a reason he lost? How about your friends claim the K-Derby track was peanut butter for EG,and somehow not for SS? You have always said things to knock SS!
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I see Champ is now trying to say he never was trying to point out EG was superior to SS,when he mention endlessly that EG ran 8F. in 1:32 2/5,galloped out 9F. in 1:45 3/5,ran the 2nd fastest Belmont in 2:26,and how he just DESTROYED SS by 8,so I guess you never ever were saying EG was clearly superior after endlessly bringing all that up? Champ don't feed me this pathetic BS! Your chained to your very own endless examples of EG's Superiority to SS,and lord knows there is have years of proof!
Easy Goer was gunned and fired through an insanely premature 21 second quarter from the 6f to the 4f pole in the Preakness.....In the Classic, EG ran a 23 2/5 quarter from the 6f to the 4f pole! Do you see the big difference yet??
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What you fail to see is the clear fact that EG did make a big move down the backside in the Classic,and he ran in about 24 seconds flat going that last 1/4 mile in the 10 furlong Classic! This exposes this "early move cost EG the Preakness", evidently you just do not understand the impact that a 24 sec. final 1/4 has? Coming in at 25 is still considered pretty damn sharp,and yet you guys make no mention of how fast EG's final 1/4 was! Now thats totally out of character for you guys! LOL!
Now he doesn't want to talk about the comparisons from the Whitney to the Preakness?? And in the Classic, EG ran for an 1/8 down the backstretch, and an 1/8 down the homestretch. Instead of a 6F MOVE. There was no real "breather" at all in the Preakness for EG from about 6F out.
Was EG sent through an insane way way premature early move through a 21 second 1/4 in the Whitney???? No...And even in the Classic, he wasn't, because if he was sent through a 21 sec. 1/4 in the Classic, he would have the lead going into the turn of the Classic just like the Preakness.
And Easy Goer ran a 21 second third quarter in the race, NOT 24. People are talking about Easy Goers amazingly early move. Not 24 fraction of the race.
I have never said that Easy Goers mind boggling gallop outs were proof as to him being better, that is the biggest crock, and you know it. I never said that. I think that Easy Goer's amazing times and gallop outs are proof at how great and brilliant EG was, period.
Cont- in the Preakness,the evidence when one compares the ironic similarities between EG's runs in BOTH races tells the true reason why EG lost the preakness! His name was Sunday Silence! So go on ahead and tell me EG's OBVIOUS LEGENDARY STAMINA doesn't matter anymore,tell me to quit comparing a 9 1/2 F. race to a 10 F. race,and all the other BS you guys wail about! Guess what? I'll just sit back and watch you guys skitter aimlessly about with your lame responses! LOL GOTCHA AGAIN!
Why is the Preakness move excuse lame? Because you expect us to believe that with the slow start,the early move ,with a split between the 6f. and 8F. points that was IDENTICAL in both races,that EG was somehow magically a "spent" horse going into the stretch in the Preakness,yet ironically in the Classic,after again making A HUGE EARLY MOVE,EG then UNCORKING A 2ND HUGE MOVE DOWN THE STRETCH Well why didn't the same thing happen in the Classic? The answer is real easy guys,EG wasn't "spent",Cont
Champ and Delmar you guys need to look at the ironic similarities between EG's runs in the Preakness and the Classic! You ask why? Well first of all EG got off slowly in BOTH races right? Therefore he was forced to play catch up right? Pat Day did move EG VERY EARLY IN BOTH RACES right? The 1/4 mile time between 6F and 8F. was IDENTICAL ,right? It was 24 3/5 guys,that and the fact that Day roused EG to A BIG EARLY MOVE IN BOTH RACES reveals just how lame your "early Preakness move excuse" is!
Wow Champ you still want to focus on your small mistake instead of the topic at hand? Champ I do not give a damn if you made a mistake,you still ran around always hailing how EG ran this fast here,there,and everywhere as proof that EG was clearly superior to SS! The point I have made is the fact that EG demonstrated he had Secretariat like stamina! Back before I hit you with the galloping out times,thats exactly what you guys were crowing about Funny how things have changed in such a short time
Easy Goer was NOT NOT NOT sent through an insane insane 21 second way way premature move in the WHITNEY. He sat off an extremely slow pace and cannoned home his last 1/8 of a mile, and another 1/8 gallop out,which the gallop still meant nothing anyway,even though he obliterated that 10F Sar TR with it. Now where is the comparsion from the Whitney!! LOL
No doubt at all that Pat Day rode Easy Goer awful awful in the Preakness and Classic with his terrible start and stop stop and startm start and stop rides. Those gallop outs mean nada indeed, he was gunned so so early in the Preakness it was terrible, to be gunned with six furlongs to run to have the lead with 4f to run, and have to be sent that early to get a lead with 4f to run.I could see if he didn't have to be gunned through a 21 quarter to get the lead with 4f to run
Those gallop out times mean nothing, nothing at all, to being moved way way prematurely through a 21 second quarter with 6f to run! Nothing at all. And the Whitney, the pace was so so slow, and Day tried to get him in enough trouble to get him beat, but EG rockteted home off that slow slow pace.
I could care less about meaningless gallop outs anyways. Pat Day knows and says it was absolute rider error, and tons of others say the same exact thing.
And being moved that early through that suicidal earlt move in the Preakness still has nothing to do with gallo outs anyway. You should look at the Whitney and the dawdling pace.
Now, as you can see, Im not changing anything at all. HIs Whitney and Gotham 10F gallop out times was what I mistook and mixed the two up, that is all! Not changing anything at all.
Easy Goers gallop out times had a small mistake. It was the Whitney 10F gallop out time that Watchmaker had in 1:58 3/5, the BH had it in 1:59 2/5. His Gotham 9F gallop out time of 1:45 3/5 was also in the BH. But the mistake was mistaking the Whitney and Gotham 10F Gallop out times. That is all
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Oh by the way your fearless leader ruffchamp is the one who actually brought up his Whitney galloping out time for 10F.! Not to mention he claims he isn't so sure now about EG's 10F. split after winning the Gotham! Funny how he is not sure after I have nailed you clowns on this issue of EG's obvious legendary stamina! He was the flagbearer for bragging on it for years! LOL you guys are just skittering around aimlessly now and I love every minute of it! The truth hurts don't it?? LOL!
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How about EG's win the Whitney? He ran on a notoriously deep track at Saratoga(You guys have said so yourself by the way),and went 9F. in 1:47 2/5,and galloped out 10F. in 1:59 2/5,which means he went that final furlong in 12 seconds flat after running 9F. in a wicked time for Saratoga ON A DEEP TRACK and he had the stamina to go an extra furlong in 12 flat! Just another example of EG's virtually limitless stamina,oh yeah thats right only if SS wasn't beating him,LOL! You guys are big ass hypos
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Those fractions around a one turn race,which makes his 9F. and 10F. even more impressive by the way,because EG had to RUN FASTER FRACTIONS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE RACE,than what is generally the norm in a 2 turn race! Fractions of 22 2/5 - 44 1/5 - 1:08 3/5 - FT of 1:32 2/5 - & 9F. galloping out in 1:45 3/5 - 10F. galloping out in 1:58 3/5 scream legendary stamina something akin to Secretariat,yet he was used up by Day in the Preakness???? LOL what a bunch of BS!
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How many times do I have to say I am not comparing a 8F race to a 10F. or a 10F. to 12F. race! I am mentioning what EG did in ONE RACE! GOT THAT? LOL! I was talking about fractions from 2 furlongs all the way to 10F. in ONE DAMN RACE! Quit avoiding the issue here guys,this is so hilarious to see you guys squirming around like this!
There is no similarity at all from a mile race to a 1 1/4 race, and from a 1 1/4 race to 1 1/2 race. Pat Day sure knows that, and Pat Day knows what everybody else sees, and Pat Day still says the same thing he said back then, that his ride was atrocious
Pat Day must not know anything? Is that correct? The jockey knows his total pilot error. And there is NO comparison at all between those races, and estimated gallop out times, which are total estimates anyway. Pat Day says and knows his rides were very bad, everybody can see that though
GO ASK PAT DAY is correct!! Pat Day knows his awful ride beat him. Ask him. And the Preakness and Classic awful rides have ZERO at all to do with the Gotham, and that is around any amount of turns!! Once again go ask Pat Day
It has NOTHING to do with whether it was around one turn or two!!! There in NO comparsion at all from the way way too premature move in the Preakness to the Gotham. Zero. Go ask Pat Day. You should take some lessons from Pat Day
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Cont-Around 1 turn,2 turns,3 turns,or around a figure 8 pattern! If EG had it on Gotham day,well he sure as hell had on Preakness day! I'm sorry the 9F and 10F times he ran after winning the Gotham in NEAR RECORD TIME prove beyond any shadow of a doubt,EG's stamina was not the problem in the Preakness,or the Classic for that matter! Remeber stamina is the same whether on 1 turn,2 turns,or anything else! You guys are nailed by your very own bragging! Gotcha! LOL!!!
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Cont- Remember he did it easy,and then here is the telling proof,he then went 9F. in NEAR WORLD RECORD TIME in 1:45 3/5,and went an unbelievable 1:58 3/5 for 10F. EG did all this while he was being geared down after winning the race,that makes it clear he could have gone much much faster if he had to! Thats 100% proof that he had almost unlimited stamina,and it shoots up the excuse that he lost the Preakness because Day used him too much too soon! Guys stamina is stamina whether it is run,Cont-
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You guys are in so deep,and I know it because you go off on this tangent that a 1 mile race is much different than a 1 1/4 or even a 1 3/16 race(thats not a revelation guys). What your not getting(or maybe you are! LOL!) is I'm talking about the fact that EG showed the world his virtually unlimited stamina IN ONE RACE,THE GOTHAM,IT IS QUITE IRRELEVANT THAT IT WAS A MILE RACE ,WHY YOU ASK?After going blazing sprint fractions he ran 8F. in a NEAR WORLD RECORD of 1:32 2/5! Which he did in hand,CONT
A one mile race is much different than a 1 1/4 or 1 3/16 races!!! Same thing with a 1 1/4 race being much different than a 1 1/2 race!! Do YOU understand that????? I don't think you do, but Pat Day sure does by calling his ride atrocious
Easy Goer was given awful rides in the Woodward and Whitney and Preakness and Classic. Not many debate those facts, but he could not overcome the very awful rides vs. the nose and neck of ss. SS took adavantage of those two very awful rides
I like that one- Go ask Pat Day why he called his ride so Horrendous and Absolute Rider Error!! YOU are saying that Day doesnt KNOW what HE is talking about!!!!
LOL! EG was ELEVEN lengths off the pace in the Classic!! OMG. NO comparison is right!! The Preakness and Classic bad rides are ZERO comparison to the Gotham-GO ASK PAT DAY!!
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Cont- There,and that fast everywhere. Well he romped in the Gotham,the Wood,Whitney,etc. Yet when he tangled with SS,a horse who was his great foe and equal,he lost 3 of 4 to SS! This comparison of these two races shows it,as does the preakness! GOTCHA BOYS AND GIRLS! I can't wait to hear the BS of well there is no comparison between a 1 turn race and a 2 turn race! 1:58 3/5 going 10F. after running 8F. in 1:32 2/5 is proof of UNGODLY stamina whether one goes 1 or 2 turns! I love it!! LOL!!
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Cont- So in the Classic the fractions were as follows: 1/4: 22 2/5 1/2: 46 1/5 3/4: 1:10 2/5 8F.: 1:35 10F. 2:00 1/5! In comparison to the blistering fractions in EG's Gotham,WHERE REMEMBER HE WAS CLOCKED GOING 10F in 1:58 3/5,the fractions in the classic,though quick were not even as taxing Right there your excuse is exposed for all to see,heck it is plain as day! I have saved this little surprise for you guys for years. I wanted you to just keep carping about how EG ran this fast here,Cont-
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I know you guys moan about EG's so-called HORRIBLE starts in the Preakness and the Classic. But where he was later in those races indicate they had no relevance whatsoever,especially given EG's PROVEN stellar stamina! You guys can't have it both ways! Lets look at the fractions of the Classic,which was run around 2 turns! Slew City Slew went out and blazed 22 2/5(Remember EG was right on top of a 22 2/5 first 1/4 in the Gotham,in which he was timed going 10F. in 1:58 3/5! in a gallop! ),Cont-
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Hey everytime you guys complain about how PD used up EG's stamina in the preakness and in the Classic,just remember EG's Gotham victory: 22 2/5 - 44 1/5 - 1:08 3/5 - 1:32 2/5 FT,and his gallop out times of 1:45 3/5 for 9F. - 1:58 3/5 for 10F. Remember he lost the preakness and the Classic going around 2 turns,and those Gotham S. fractions were around 1 turn. Where he was running much faster fractions than he would if the race was 2 turns! The moved too early excuse just falls apart! LOL!!
Edwin Pope and Bill Nack's distinct quotes, "After starting a little slow, Pat Day decided to do NOTHING and settled EG 12 lengths back.Then, Day cost EG a full head of steam down the backstretch.He put out the fire of a splendid champ in full flame(Day said he gave him "breathers" on the far turn in both the Preakness&Classic).If Day&McCarron switched mounts,or Bailey or Cordero rode Easy Goer, EG never loses by a desperate neck and inch in 2 races."
EASYGOERFLIES 3 days ago 5
Pat Day's riding was so despicably bad that even the unbiased Californian expert Bill Christine stated the obvious. It surely wasn't just Day admitting his riding was "absolute jockey errors", or all the eastern experts, that is for sure.
EASYGOERFLIES 3 days ago 3
Easy Goer won 14 races in a hand ride, who really cares. But the official charts say "won driving" and the reason is because McCarron was throwing crosses,shaking him up,shaking the reins and showing the horse the whip. And more importantly,Whittingham gave him the order to not hit the horse.
EASYGOERFLIES 3 days ago 3
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Sunday Silence in a hand ride.
grandcosmo 4 days ago
Clearly the better horse head to head??? Noor beat Citation 4 of 5 head to head. Beau Purple beat Kelso 3 of 4 head to head. Dr Fager lost 2 of 4 to Damascus head to head. Formal Gold beat Skip Away 4 of 6 head to head. Big Spruce beat Forego 2 of 3 head to head. Interco beat John Henry 2 of 3 head to head.Get over it.
DELMARCLUB1 2 months ago 3
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enough all ready....Sunday Silence was clearly the better horse head to head. get over it!
cowhanson 2 months ago
But Easy Goer was always undoubtedly a top ten all time thorobred in talent,ability,constitution, record speed-stamina combo, with the clear evidence of this coming from his many,many top ten all time performances in his life at every distance, 6.5F,7F,8F,9F,10F,12F, but the 2 typically atrocious Pat Day rides that got him beat a nose and desperation neck in 2 races vs. an also great in ss, sent him into the thirties where ss always belonged. There is nothing wrong with the thirties, yes.
DELMARCLUB1 2 months ago 5
Surprises you? They all deserve and get credit. Well Citation lost 4 of 5 races to Noor. Kelso lost 3 of 4 to Beau Purple. Dr Fager lost 2 of 4 to Damascus. Skip Away lost 4 of 6 to Formal Gold. John Henry lost 2 of 3 to Interco. Forego lost 2 of 3 to Big Spruce.
DELMARCLUB1 2 months ago 4
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Sunday Silence is AMAZING! For crying out loud....give credit where credit is due!! He beat Easy Goer where it counted, on the track! To say Easy Goer is clearly the better horse SURPRISES me!! They are both tremendous animals and that Preakness was phenomenal!! I'm not saying Pat Day didn't ride bad but it doesn't change what Sunday Silence did. He is one of the GREAT's and always will be.....as will Easy Goer. Both great animals :)
RickNS21 2 months ago
I thought that the quotes of Crist,Beyer,Nack,Haskin,Joe Hirsch,Edwin Pope,Pal Moran mean "nothing"? Which is it?
flylion132 4 months ago 2
Andy Beyer: "Easy Goer is ran FASTER and BETTER at the ages of two and three years old than AFFIRMED, Seattle Slew and Spectacular Bid.".....Andy Beyer: On the anddownthestretchtheycome website, said after Pat Day's career was over and Beyer was interviewed, he lamented Day's riding on EG and in general of the man he called Pat "wait all" Day.
flylion132 4 months ago 3
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There is nothing unusual about great jockeys getting replaced. Steve Cauthen got replaced on Affirmed. Bill Shoemaker got replaced on Dr Fager etc. The Phipps stable could have any jockey they wanted on EG. They had millions of dollars riding on his success in races. They stuck with Pat Day for EGs entire career. Evidently they didn't think he was so "horrible" & neither did the numerous winners he produced in Triple Crown races & BC's that compares favorably with Bailey/Cordero/Stevens.
sl7293 4 months ago
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Andy Beyer continues: "No conditions seem to faze him. When he encountered an unfamiliar muddy track at the Kentucky Derby, he handled it successfully--while Easy Goer didn't. When he was stopped cold at a critical stage of the Preakness--trouble that would have spelled certain defeat for almost any other horse--he recovered immediately and rushed back into contention."
sl7293 4 months ago
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Andy Beyer: "SS is the most adaptable champion since Affirmed. He has raw speed that enables him to be a front-runner if his jockey chooses. He can sit behind the leaders and use that speed to accelerate sharply at a crucial stage of the race--as he did when he out-kicked Easy Goer on the turn at the Breeders' Cup."
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flylion132 5 months ago
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If Pat Day was "typically atrocious" as you claim, he NEVER would have been given the opportunity to ride in and win so many triple crown races, breeders cup races etc. The fact that he competed at this level in so many races for decades underscores the fact that he was one of the great jockeys of all time. Owners & trainers aren't such complete fools that they would consistently & for so long rely on a typically atrocious jockey, a clear indication that Pat Day is nothing of the kind.
sl7293 5 months ago
Pat Day's(who calls his own riding "total &absolute pilot error in one race & I didn't ride my best race in the other",&because of his stats could not ride awful &bad races in his career, funny) start & stop, start &stop, start &stop,start & stop,stop & start "Total & absolute pilot error", and "I didn't ride my best race" cost EG by a nostril&desperate neck in two outs vs.another great in SS.But despite them,like Top 100 states,"Easy Goer will always be mentioned in same breath with all timers
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
@EASYGOER4LIFE Great point.When a book,"Race for the Triple Crown" written by Joe Drape and quoted many trainers, including Lukas,etc,has the majority of a whole chapter devoted to Pat Day's "deliberate,passive,horrible" riding and where "Lukas replaced Day numerous times with Bailey,Cordero,Stevens, and most insulting of all with Donna Barton." "What frustrated Lukas and every other trainer that used Day was he "waited,waited and waited more and it cost many of his mounts, top and bottom ones."
flylion132 5 months ago 2
Funny again! So due to the fact that Cordero won TRIPLE the amount of Kentucky Derby's then Day did, &won 13 riding titles at Saratoga to Day's zero,that must then make Cordero better than Day?Due to the fact that Bailey won more Derbies and won more B.C. races from less mounts & won 3 more eclipse titles & 4 more earning titles than Day did, that makes Bailey automatically better than Day?&due to the fact that Pincay won 5 more jockey earning titles and more eclipse titles,must be stats?
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
@EASYGOER4LIFE I agree 100%,&could not have put it any better!t was never about comparing stats of jockey's,&I never once ever compared there stats.Who cares that Cordero won more Derby's or won 14 more riding titles atSaratoga than Day,orBailey won more Derby's,more Cup's,more eclipse awards&more earn.titles thanDay,orPincay won more jockey titles&eclipse awards than Day?OrDay won more Preakness', the supposed king of KY,rode his only Derby winner when AP Indy had to scratch&Arazi had knee surg
DELMARCLUB1 5 months ago
@DELMARCLUB1 I also agree 100% with this hilarious thing that because of Day's many wins in big races, that must mean that Day didn't ride typically atrociously and cost so many top horses eclipse awards and big races?Well, Day's typically atrocious riding cost so many top horses eclipse awards and huge races- Java Gold in 87',Easy Goer,Sky Classic in 92',Turkoman in 86',Forty Niner in 88',Menifee in 99',Heavenly Prize in 94'.95',Seeking the Gold in 88',89',Paradise Creek,Surfside,Banshee Breeze
DELMARCLUB1 5 months ago
@DELMARCLUB1 I also agree 100% with this hilarious thing that because of Day's many wins in big races, that must mean that Day didn't ride typically atrociously&cost so many top horses eclipse awards and big races?Well,Day's typically atrocious riding cost so many top horses eclipse awards and huge races- Java Gold in 87',Easy Goer,Sky Classic in 92',Turkoman in 86',Forty Niner in 88',Menifee in 99',Heavenly Prize in 94'.95',Seeking the Gold in 88',Paradise Creek,Surfside,Banshee Breeze
DELMARCLUB1 5 months ago 2
Funny again! So due to the fact that Cordero won TRIPLE the amount of Kentucky Derby's then Day did, and won 13 riding titles at Saratoga to Day's zero,that must then make Cordero better than Day? Due to the fact that Bailey won more Derbies and won more B.C. races from less mounts and won 3 more eclipse titles & 4 more earning titles than Day did, that makes Bailey automatically better than Day?&due to the fact that Pincay won 5 more jockey earning titles and more eclipse titles,must be stats?
EASYGOER4LIFE 5 months ago
Put Laffit Pincay,Angel Cordero or Jerry Bailey on Easy Goer and EG NEVER gets beat a nose and desperation neck in 2 races due to typically atrocious Pat Day riding, and being totally outridden and beaten with race riding and antics.
DELMARCLUB1 8 months ago 5
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@DELMARCLUB1 If Laffit Pincay, Angel Cordero, and Jerry Bailey are so superior to the "typically attocious" Pat Day, why is it that Pat Day has won more Preakness Stakes races than all three of them combined? If Pat Day is so "typically attrocious, why did he win more triple crown races than any of the above? If Pat Day was really "attrocious" as a jockey, why was he so successful in these most prestigous of horse races? Why did he even get to ride in any of these races???
sl7293 5 months ago
Kind of like Noor shaking out of fear beating Citation 4 of 5. Or Damascus beating Dr. Fager 2 of 4. Or Beau Purple beating Kelso 3 of 4. Or Big Spruce beating Forego 2 of 3. Or Mehmet beating John Henry 2 of 3. Pat Day's typically atrocious riding got so many top horses beat,not just Easy Goer in 2 races. Java Gold,Turkoman,Sky Classic,Forty Niner,Heavenly Prize,Seeking the Gold,Paradise Creek,Surfside,Banshee Breeze and so many more feared being ridden by the typically atrocious Pat Day.
DELMARCLUB1 8 months ago 5
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LOL SS ,if he could have understood math,he would have been shaking out of fear. LOL Head to head those 120+ beyers sure didn't do EG any good vs SS!! LOL you guys will still be whining about what SS did to EG when your 80+ years old!
BE109 8 months ago
"Easy Goer was the better, more phenomenal,extraordinary horse, but was defeated by a whisker and desperate neck in two races because Pat Day rode him like the exposed end of a live wire,rode him horribly." So true and correct, and many of the racing experts stated it. Heck, even Pat Day did.
flylion132 10 months ago 6
LOL! It is not a hand ride when the jockey is throwing crosses, shaking him up, and showing the horse the whip, and the trainers tells the jockey not to hit him with the whip! Easy Goer's Belmont romp was a hand ride
DELMARCLUB1 10 months ago 2
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hey guess what....Sunday Silence beat Easy goer again under a hand ride.
cowhanson 10 months ago
Easy Goer was simply the vastly faster racehorse, Easy Goer ran seven or eight 120+ or higher beyers in his career(that is double more than any horse since Bid, including Ghostzapper,Alysheba,John Henry,Cigar,Holy Bull,Skip Away,Curlin,Zenyatta,etc) while SS ran ONE!!ONE!. Easy Goer was the vastly,faster horse and was over deeper,slower eastern tracks, but two despicable rides is what cost him by an inch and desperate neck in two races.
EASYGOERFLIES 10 months ago 19
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@EASYGOERFLIES Easy Goer was not "simply" the vastly faster racehorse. It is not that SIMPLE. Ray Paulick notes, even though EG had devastating power in the straights, SS was the more nimble of the two, could accelerate much more quickly, and was faster in tight turns. Paulick explains that when EG pulled alongside of SS entering the far turn of the BC, Chris McCarron felt he had a big advantage. He did not believe EG possessed SS's ability to accelerate in the turns. Events proved him right.
sl7293 5 months ago
But the dramatic difference between all those typically atrocious Pat Day rides was that Easy Goer was always no doubt a top ten all timer in talent,heart,ability,constitution,speed-stamina combo, with the clear proof of that comin from his many,many top ten all time performances in his career at every distance, but the 2 typically atrocious Pat Day rides that got him beat a nose and desperation neck in 2 races put him down into the thirties where ss always belonged.
DELMARCLUB1 10 months ago 9
Pat Day ONLY rode Easy Goer atrociously bad in 2 races? No, not in the least. Pat Day's atrocious riding cost so many top horses eclipse awards,breeders cup races,derby's,awards- Sky Classic,Easy Goer,Java Gold,Turkoman,Forty Niner,Menifee,Heavenly Prize,Seeking the Gold,Paradise Creek,Surfside,Banshee Breeze and so many others
DELMARCLUB1 10 months ago 7
Pure and simple mathematics? Well than Citation,Kelso,Easy Goer,Forego,John Henry,Skip Away,and many others had pure and simple mathematics problems.
DELMARCLUB1 10 months ago
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sorry guys numbers don't lie, Sunday Silence won 3 out of 4 meetins with Easy Goer, pure and simple mathematics.
beast13284 10 months ago
Not just Crist, but like the Bloodhorse top 100 book in the Easy Goer article also, "Easy Goer will ALWAYS be mentioned in the same breath with the GREATEST of ALL TIME", despite the two awful kid gloves and baby hands rides that cost him by a nostril and desperate neck in two outs.
EASYGOER4LIFE 10 months ago 8
Same thing just in different words from Steve Crist, "If not for the 2 typically atrocious rides that got him beat a nose and desperation neck in 2 races, Easy Goer would be mentioned in the same reverential breath as Man O'War,Secretariat and Citation, and his campaign acclaimed the greatest in racing history."
DELMARCLUB1 10 months ago 17
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Sunday Silence 3 Easy Goes 1 in head to head races enough said... SS also had 2 different jockeys during those meetings . I wonder if the comentator hadn't used the term desperate neck if the race would've been looked at different? SS was under a hand ride.EG needed the longer distance like his only win in the Belmont.SS rules on
cowhanson 10 months ago
Like many of the racing experts from all parts of the country stated, but stated the most correct by Paul Moran of Espn, "Easy Goer was the better and more extraordinarily and remarkable talented horse, but was defeated by an inch and desperate neck in two races because Pat Day rode him like the exposed end of a live wire, rode him horribly." So true and correct.
flylion132 1 year ago 3
Easy Goer was always undoubtedly a top ten thoroughbred in talent,ability,speed,stamina, with the glaringly clear proof of that coming from his many,many top ten thorobred performances in his career at all distances, but the two ridiculously bad typical Pat Day rides that got him beat a nose and neck in two races, sent him down into the thirties where ss always belonged.
DELMARCLUB1 1 year ago 4
I think drfager01 mentioned it, and I agree wholeheartedly, Easy Goer was a Hall of Fame horse who had record speed at a mile(1:32.2) and shorter distances, and superb and fabulously brilliant stamina to run the second fastest Belmont of all time, and run many superb performances at all other distances, but Pat Day rode him with "kid gloves and baby hands", rode him awful to get him beat a nostril and desperate neck in two races. I agree
EASYGOER4LIFE 1 year ago 7
Easy Goer will always be mentioned in the same breath with the greatest of all times, in spite of the two appalingly awful rides that got him beat a nostril and desperate neck in two races. SS was never nor will ever be mentioned with the Dr. Fager's, Secretariat,Kelso,Forego,Buckpasser,Damascus,etc.
EASYGOER4LIFE 1 year ago 3
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Sunday Silence, horse of the decade. I was thrilled to see him handle Easy Goer so many times.
northernoakstable 1 year ago
Easy Goer was no doubt at all a Top 5 or 10 all time thoroughbred in talent and ability, but the two atrocoious rides that got him beat a nose and neck, put him down where ss always belonged in the thirties
DELMARCLUB1 1 year ago 2
Easy Goer will always be mentioned with the best of all times, despite the two awful rides that got him beat a whisker and neck.
EASYGOER4LIFE 1 year ago
Edwiin Pope said it greatly on Day's extremely bad riding, Paul Moran said it greatly as well. So did Nack, Crist, Watchmaker and many others besides Day.
EZGOERFLEW 1 year ago 2
No doubt at all that the best horse, Easy Goer, got beat by two extremely bad rides by a nostril and neck.
EZGOERFLEW 1 year ago
I SAID, black kettle, "DON'T scoff at what Valenzuela STILL says about Arazi being the best horse he ever rode and better than SS. Valenzuela was the rider for both horses, he was on both horses.
DELMARCLUB1 1 year ago
Scoff at what McCarron said, but don't scoff at what Valenzuela always said and STILL says. Arazi's own trainer Boutin admitted that one mile turf prep for the Derby gave " HIM NO CHANCE" to win the Derby. But I would say SS was better at three obviously, but Valenzuela still says Arazi was better.
flyrobertfly45 1 year ago
Pat Valenzuela was the REGULAR rider of BOTH SS and Arazi, and he STILL says Arazu was better and the best horse he ever rode in a 2007 interview! Is that recent enough. His own rider says Arazi was better than SS! His own regular rider.
flyrobertfly45 1 year ago
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Robert if you disagree go back and look at Arazi's 3 yr old record,and compare it to his 2 yr old record. Then look at SS at age 3,and tell me who would have won at 9F and up? LOL!
BE109 1 year ago
Easy Goer was undoubtedly a top 5 or 10 all time horse in ability and talent, but the two extremely atrocious rides that got him beat a nose and neck, put him down where SS always belonged in the thirties
DELMARCLUB1 1 year ago 2
Easy Goer will always be mentioned with the greatest thoroughbreds of all time, in spite of the two awful awful rides that got him beat a whisker and neck.
EASYGOER4LIFE 1 year ago 2
Easy Goer was always the better and more talented horse, but the two extremely bad rides got him beat a nostril and neck.
EZGOERFLEW 1 year ago 2
I don't need Pat Day to tell me Easy Goer was the better racehorse, and that his terrible riding got him beat. Or for all the racing journalists as well.
flyrobertfly45 1 year ago 2
Easy Goer got beat because of two terrible terrible rides by a nose and neck. Simple
flyrobertfly45 1 year ago
Black kettle, if you want to say that that's fine, go right ahead. It will never change the fact that Valenzuela was the regular rider of SS, and he still says and has always said that Arazi was better than SS, "he could do way more than SS." That is coming from Valenzuela who rode him his whole career, except for one or two races.
flyrobertfly45 1 year ago 2
Easy Goer was always a Top 5 or 10 all time racehorse in talent and ability, but the two atrocious rides that got him beat a nose and neck, put him down where s.s. always belonged in the thirties.
DELMARCLUB1 1 year ago 2
You can "scoff" at what McCarroon said, but then don't scoff at what Pat Valenzuela has always said. Lol
DELMARCLUB1 1 year ago 2
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@DELMARCLUB1 Where did I scoff at what McCarron said? Can you read? Robert said he understood why McCarron didn't rate SS as high as some of the other horses he rode,because he wasn't SS's regular rider! In contrast I have always said it was no surprise that Day thought EG was better because he was EG's ONLY RIDER! Do you get it? LOL!
BE109 1 year ago
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@DELMARCLUB1 That some of your "friends" take everything Day says as holy gospel. Was why I mentioned it is no big shock Day still thinks EG was better,because he was EG's only rider. Robert just contradicted himself. I suggest you get some reading lessons,if you think I was scoffing at McCarron!
BE109 1 year ago
Easy Goer, though, will always be mentioned with the greatest of all times anyway, despite the two awful rides that got him beat a whisker and neck.
EASYGOER4LIFE 1 year ago
No doubt at all, that two very awful awful rides, got the best horse beat a whisker and neck.
EASYGOER4LIFE 1 year ago
Easy Goer was always the better racehorse, two very very bad rides got the better horse beat an inch and neck.
EZGOERFLEW 1 year ago
I don't need Day to tell me he was a better racehorse. Or for that matter, Crist, Watchmaker, Nack, Pope and all the rest.
EZGOERFLEW 1 year ago
Valenzuela knows and knew SS as well as Day knew EG. And Valenzuela will always say that Arazi was better than SS. In fact, just recently, he said, "Arazi had way more ability than SS, he could do much more than SS." So take it from his regular rider, Valenzuela.
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@flyrobertfly45 Well Robert,using your :logic", that means Arazi should have been able to wipe the floor with EG as well. Because we do know EG had trouble dealing with SS! Since you want to play stupid little games here it goes! LOL! So here you are cornered by your own comment. Let me hear all this EG woulda rolled Arazi..............! LOL!
BE109 1 year ago
LOL! Black kettle. Pat Valenzuela was the REGULAR rider of SS. And he still says, and has always said, and has never changed, that Arazi was better than SS!! That is ALOT more telling to me, what Valenzuela says, much more tham McCarron! LOL
flyrobertfly45 1 year ago 3
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@flyrobertfly45 Once again Robert,anyone with any sense(and if you asked PVAL he have to agree with this) could see Arazi was obviously a much better 2 yr old than SS. SS on the other hand was clearly superior to Arazi at 3. To debate that is evidence of your being clueless! Arazi in the K-Derby,made a big surging move,but he flattened out in the stretch. Why? Because 10 furlongs was too far for him. 10F wasn't too far for SS now was it Robert? LOL!
BE109 1 year ago
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Wow Robert,without even realizing it you proved what I had been saying all along on why Day felt EG was better than SS,despite losing 3 of 4 to him! When you said McCarron favored JH,ALY,FH,etc. over SS. You said you understand that because McCarron was the regular rider of those horses and not on SS! What??? and you guys scoff when I mentioned that Day feels that way because he was the ONLY rider on EG! LOL
BE109 1 year ago
Easy Goer was NO doubt whatsover a Top five or ten all time thoroughbred in ability and talent, but the two extremely bad bad rides that got him beat a nose and neck, put him down where SS always belonged in the thirties.
DELMARCLUB1 1 year ago 3
WE ALL know why Easy Goer will be mentioned in the same breath with the greatest of all time in spite of the the two atrocious rides that got him beat a nose and neck, like Kelso, Secretariat and Dr. Fager. I wonder? Lol
DELMARCLUB1 1 year ago 2
Easy Goer will always be mentioned with the likes of Secretariat, Dr Fager and Kelso, despite the two awful awful rides that got him beat a nostril and neck. Always and forever, I wonder why.
EASYGOER4LIFE 1 year ago
Two awful awful rides got the better horse beat a nostril and neck. No doubt aboit that at all.
EASYGOER4LIFE 1 year ago
Pat Valenzuela still says and will always say that Arazi was better than SS. Heck, McCarron still says and puts John Henry, Alysheba, Tiznow, Free House ahead of SS, but I can understand that, as McCarron was not SS regular rider.
flyrobertfly45 1 year ago
SS got destroyed by Easy Goer, got beat in a G2, lost three times at Hollywood Park, and his own jockey still states that Arazi was a better horse than SS. EG only got beat by two terrible rides by a nose and neck.
flyrobertfly45 1 year ago
Easy Goer was no doubt whatsoever a Top 5 or 10 all time racehorse in talent and ability, but the two atrocious rides that got him beat a nose and neck, put him down where SS always belonged in the thirties.
DELMARCLUB1 1 year ago 3
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@DELMARCLUB1 Your horse had his chances to put SS where he belonged,as you like to put it. LOL! thank God races are not run on paper,or EG would have been undefeated and hailed as the next Man O' War,Secretariat,etc. BUT the reality of what happened is evidently just too hard for you guys to handle. So we get all this BS about how EG would have crushed SS if only this,that,or the other had or hadn't happened! Do you not see the pattern? LAUGH OUT LOUD CLOWNS!
BE109 1 year ago
Easy Goer will always be mentioned with the best of all time, Dr. Fager, Secretariat, Kelso, and he will always be, despite the two awful rides that got him beat a whisker & neck.
EASYGOER4LIFE 1 year ago
No doubt that the better racehorse, Easy Goer, got beat by two awful awful rides by a whisker and neck.
EASYGOER4LIFE 1 year ago
Easy Goer-Hail and tribute to the TRUE and REAL Hall of Fame champion great who could run any distance, from sprint to mile to classic to marathon, and run any distance brilliantly and SS could NOT!! NOT!! EG only got beat by two atrocious rides by a nose and neck.
flyrobertfly45 1 year ago 2
Even Pat Valenzuela still tells the world that Arazi was better than SS.
flyrobertfly45 1 year ago 2
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@flyrobertfly45 Yeah that has a heck of a lot of relevance to the races between EG and SS! Is this the best you got Robert?
BE109 1 year ago
Easy Goer only got beat by two terrible rides by a nose and neck. Easy Goer was the better horse.
flyrobertfly45 1 year ago
The better racehorse always was and always will be Easy Goer. Easy Goer died very young after siring just a few crops and had no chance at stud, but still is sire and broodmare sire of Corinthian, Storm Flag Flying, Will's Way, My Flag,Magical Fantasy,etc. SS was the leading sire in Japan, he did nothing in Europe and USA.
flylion132 1 year ago 3
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I bet Sunday Silence 4 races in a row and got paid in all. Kent/Preak/ Belmont/Classic. He was a much better horse and stud too. Give up EG lovers. Give up.
robthehawk 1 year ago
Two awful awful rides got the better racehorse beat by a nostril and neck. Even if Pat Day only admits to one ride being awful.
EASYGOER4LIFE 2 years ago 3
That is true, we wake up everyday and know exactly why Easy Goer lost by a nose and neck. It was clear as Day(no pun intended)! Two nimwit and very bad rides is why! And plenty plenty of those DRF people said and still say the same thing. Even the legendary Bill Nack
EZGOERFLEW 2 years ago 3
Indeed, every horse behind on the scoreboard has to be the lesser horse! Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer,Whirlaway, Round Table, Forego, John Henry, Ancient Title, Native Diver, Skip Away,Unbridled, Pleasant Colony, Kotashaan,etc..! They all are, the scoreboard tells YOU so! LOL
ruffchamp1 2 years ago 3
Well, I had to go back and watch the tape myself of the Gotham mile. And the tape does not lie at all. That is exactly how far back Easy Goer was in this race. All u have to do is watch the race. Heck, the video is now in your favorites, it will show you.LOL
ruffchamp1 2 years ago 2
No, we wake up everyday knowing that EG got beat by by two atrocious rides by a nose and neck. Heck, even Pat Day admits to one being atrocious, and still states it. Although this ride was just as atrrocious.
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago 2
You got watch the video of the Gotham, and you tell me if I am wrong. Better yet, go on there and watch and you tell me how far back EG was in the Gotham with 6F to run, and with 4F to run! You tell me black kettle.
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago 3
On to the 12th video for the black kettle! LOL
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago 2
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Funny thing about all this,in the end you clowns still have wake up everyday and realize SS DID win those races vs EG,and you still have to deal with the fact that EG didn't put SS in his place,as you guys love to say,well I guess he did in your dreams! 20 years later and the EG woulda shoulda coulda BS is still being spewed out by a bunch of whining sore loser fans! LOL!!! Thats beyond dispute boys! LOL!!!
BE109 2 years ago
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Cont-Fact that EG demonstrated unreal stamina BEFORE the Preakness,and he showed it AFTER the Preakness. But somehow he was lacking stamina in the Preakness? Wow the intense desire to discredit SS for having something to do with it is very very petty by you guys. Hey I guess the beat just goes on doesn't it Champ? LOL!
BE109 2 years ago
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Wow Champ it is very convenient to use the names of DRF people like Crist,Watchmaker,and yet you guys are running around claiming the DRF screwed up royally on the 89 Gotham past performance chart. One day the DRF is inept,and the next they are end all say all to everything! Which way is it Champ? Once again your all over the map on this DRF thing! Funny how you guys contest the DRF's chart call as far as where EG was at all points of the race. All in an attempt to explain away the solid,Cont-
BE109 2 years ago
Easy Goer was absolutely no doubt a Top 5 or 10 racehorse in talent and ability, but the two atrocious rides that beat him a nose and neck, put him down where SS always belonged in the thirties.
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago 2
Two awful rides cost the better thorouhgbred by a nose & neck. And if Pat Day only admits to one ride being awful and costing him, that is o.k. This one was awful awful, and plenty more people than just Pat Day can see that and saw it.
EASYGOER4LIFE 2 years ago
I don't really care about all the others, but Easy Goer was back then, and will always be the better racehorse, but two nimwit and very bad rides got him beat a nostril and neck.
EZGOERFLEW 2 years ago 2
Besides all the horses that were behind on the scoreboard. I agree with Steve Crist, Bill Nack, Pat Day, Mike Watchmaker, Joe Hirsch, Haskin, Finley, Paul Moran, and many others on feeling another horse behind on the scoreboard was better.
ruffchamp1 2 years ago 2
LOL! Just like every horse that was behind on the scoreboard wasnt better, right DOC BE109?? Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Round Table,Forego, John Henry, Ancient Title, Unbridled (lost 4 of 6 to Summer Squall),Whirlaway, Native Diver, Skip Away, Pleasant Colony, Kotashaan, Ferdinand- ALL were NOT better than the horses that were ahead of them on the scoreboard! RIGHT?
ruffchamp1 2 years ago 3
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Champ I could care less if you want to say EG was better! He wasn't,and that is all that matters! LOL!
BE109 2 years ago
Pat Day still says his Preakness ride was absoluite rider error, and he was right 100%!! If he doesn't say his Classic ride was bad, then so be it. It was. He was on cloud nine early on sleeping indeed.
EASYGOER4LIFE 2 years ago
NO comparison at all from the Preakness 21 & change move to this Classic move in 23 and change. And neither to his other races at all.
flylion132 2 years ago
And Pat Day completely was in a fog and fell asleep early in the Classic, even your buddy Jhordanian says that!
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago
Pat Day sent Easy Goer through an insanely premature 21 and change quarter in the Preakness..His 23 1/5 quarter in the Classic was not similar at all. Was the Whitney similar? NO. Was the Belmont move similar? NO. The Travers? NO
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago
No comparison at all from the move in the Preakness to his 23 2/5 move in the Classic..Or for that matter to his Whitney, his Belmont, his Travers. None at all.
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago
And EG was never moved through an insane 21 second 1/4 in any other race! What does that tell you? Nothing at all, I guess.
ruffchamp1 2 years ago
According to you, EVERY single horse ahead on the scoreboard has to better than the other horse because the SCOREBOARD says so! That is what you said many times starting 3 YEARS ago.
ruffchamp1 2 years ago
I can feel EG is better than SS all I want, and all anybody else wants to. His amazing final times and gallop outs prove how great Easy Goer was. It doesnt out right mean that he was better. Just hif final times and gallop out times buy themselves. ALOT more factors than just that.
ruffchamp1 2 years ago
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Cont- That EG was the clearly superior horse DESPITE losing 3 of 4 to SS! Your BS about it IS ALL OVER THE EG,and or SS videos! LOL! This is clear proof I have you rattled big time! Whats wrong, having a hard time coming up with a reason on how EG had LEGENDARY stamina in all his races BEFORE the Preakness,and had it again in all of his races AFTER the preakness? Yet you want us to accept that somehow EG was magically absent of that VAUNTED LEGENDARY STAMINA in the Preakness? Sorry its an excuse
BE109 2 years ago
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Champ you have been backtracking ever since I brought up this strange phenomena of yours,and your "friends", known as the "EG MAGICALLY HAD NO STAMINA IN THE PREAKNESS,YET HE DID EVERYWHERE ELSE!" EVERYTHING you say has the odor of "SS was just a lucky horse",and thats something you have no chance of getting out from under! Like I said,I have once again allowed you to trap yourself with your very own bragging. And now all of a sudden your crying U never was saying all these things to show,CONT-
BE109 2 years ago
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And Champ I guess when you constantly bring up if not for Days bad rides EG woulda rolled SS,you were not denigrating SS's greatness? How about all the other endless excuses? Like how EG had race compromising slow starts? How about him being compromised by running in the 12 F. JCGC? Or how about Day's cocking of EG's head in the preakness was a reason he lost? How about your friends claim the K-Derby track was peanut butter for EG,and somehow not for SS? You have always said things to knock SS!
BE109 2 years ago
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I see Champ is now trying to say he never was trying to point out EG was superior to SS,when he mention endlessly that EG ran 8F. in 1:32 2/5,galloped out 9F. in 1:45 3/5,ran the 2nd fastest Belmont in 2:26,and how he just DESTROYED SS by 8,so I guess you never ever were saying EG was clearly superior after endlessly bringing all that up? Champ don't feed me this pathetic BS! Your chained to your very own endless examples of EG's Superiority to SS,and lord knows there is have years of proof!
BE109 2 years ago
Easy Goer was gunned and fired through an insanely premature 21 second quarter from the 6f to the 4f pole in the Preakness.....In the Classic, EG ran a 23 2/5 quarter from the 6f to the 4f pole! Do you see the big difference yet??
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago
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What you fail to see is the clear fact that EG did make a big move down the backside in the Classic,and he ran in about 24 seconds flat going that last 1/4 mile in the 10 furlong Classic! This exposes this "early move cost EG the Preakness", evidently you just do not understand the impact that a 24 sec. final 1/4 has? Coming in at 25 is still considered pretty damn sharp,and yet you guys make no mention of how fast EG's final 1/4 was! Now thats totally out of character for you guys! LOL!
BE109 2 years ago
Awful ride by Day in the Preakness, and an awful poorly timed start and stop ride in the Classic. All the experts saw it.
EASYGOER4LIFE 2 years ago
Now he doesn't want to talk about the comparisons from the Whitney to the Preakness?? And in the Classic, EG ran for an 1/8 down the backstretch, and an 1/8 down the homestretch. Instead of a 6F MOVE. There was no real "breather" at all in the Preakness for EG from about 6F out.
flylion132 2 years ago 2
Was EG sent through an insane way way premature early move through a 21 second 1/4 in the Whitney???? No...And even in the Classic, he wasn't, because if he was sent through a 21 sec. 1/4 in the Classic, he would have the lead going into the turn of the Classic just like the Preakness.
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago
And Easy Goer ran a 21 second third quarter in the race, NOT 24. People are talking about Easy Goers amazingly early move. Not 24 fraction of the race.
ruffchamp1 2 years ago
I have never said that Easy Goers mind boggling gallop outs were proof as to him being better, that is the biggest crock, and you know it. I never said that. I think that Easy Goer's amazing times and gallop outs are proof at how great and brilliant EG was, period.
ruffchamp1 2 years ago
LOL! When did I EVER say that Easy Goers brilliant gallop outs were PROOF of him being better than ss??????????????? The answer is never
ruffchamp1 2 years ago
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Cont- in the Preakness,the evidence when one compares the ironic similarities between EG's runs in BOTH races tells the true reason why EG lost the preakness! His name was Sunday Silence! So go on ahead and tell me EG's OBVIOUS LEGENDARY STAMINA doesn't matter anymore,tell me to quit comparing a 9 1/2 F. race to a 10 F. race,and all the other BS you guys wail about! Guess what? I'll just sit back and watch you guys skitter aimlessly about with your lame responses! LOL GOTCHA AGAIN!
BE109 2 years ago
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Why is the Preakness move excuse lame? Because you expect us to believe that with the slow start,the early move ,with a split between the 6f. and 8F. points that was IDENTICAL in both races,that EG was somehow magically a "spent" horse going into the stretch in the Preakness,yet ironically in the Classic,after again making A HUGE EARLY MOVE,EG then UNCORKING A 2ND HUGE MOVE DOWN THE STRETCH Well why didn't the same thing happen in the Classic? The answer is real easy guys,EG wasn't "spent",Cont
BE109 2 years ago
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Champ and Delmar you guys need to look at the ironic similarities between EG's runs in the Preakness and the Classic! You ask why? Well first of all EG got off slowly in BOTH races right? Therefore he was forced to play catch up right? Pat Day did move EG VERY EARLY IN BOTH RACES right? The 1/4 mile time between 6F and 8F. was IDENTICAL ,right? It was 24 3/5 guys,that and the fact that Day roused EG to A BIG EARLY MOVE IN BOTH RACES reveals just how lame your "early Preakness move excuse" is!
BE109 2 years ago
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Wow Champ you still want to focus on your small mistake instead of the topic at hand? Champ I do not give a damn if you made a mistake,you still ran around always hailing how EG ran this fast here,there,and everywhere as proof that EG was clearly superior to SS! The point I have made is the fact that EG demonstrated he had Secretariat like stamina! Back before I hit you with the galloping out times,thats exactly what you guys were crowing about Funny how things have changed in such a short time
BE109 2 years ago
Easy Goer was NOT NOT NOT sent through an insane insane 21 second way way premature move in the WHITNEY. He sat off an extremely slow pace and cannoned home his last 1/8 of a mile, and another 1/8 gallop out,which the gallop still meant nothing anyway,even though he obliterated that 10F Sar TR with it. Now where is the comparsion from the Whitney!! LOL
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago 2
No doubt at all that Pat Day rode Easy Goer awful awful in the Preakness and Classic with his terrible start and stop stop and startm start and stop rides. Those gallop outs mean nada indeed, he was gunned so so early in the Preakness it was terrible, to be gunned with six furlongs to run to have the lead with 4f to run, and have to be sent that early to get a lead with 4f to run.I could see if he didn't have to be gunned through a 21 quarter to get the lead with 4f to run
EASYGOER4LIFE 2 years ago 2
Those gallop out times mean nothing, nothing at all, to being moved way way prematurely through a 21 second quarter with 6f to run! Nothing at all. And the Whitney, the pace was so so slow, and Day tried to get him in enough trouble to get him beat, but EG rockteted home off that slow slow pace.
flylion132 2 years ago
I could care less about meaningless gallop outs anyways. Pat Day knows and says it was absolute rider error, and tons of others say the same exact thing.
EZGOERFLEW 2 years ago
And being moved that early through that suicidal earlt move in the Preakness still has nothing to do with gallo outs anyway. You should look at the Whitney and the dawdling pace.
ruffchamp1 2 years ago
Now, as you can see, Im not changing anything at all. HIs Whitney and Gotham 10F gallop out times was what I mistook and mixed the two up, that is all! Not changing anything at all.
ruffchamp1 2 years ago
Easy Goers gallop out times had a small mistake. It was the Whitney 10F gallop out time that Watchmaker had in 1:58 3/5, the BH had it in 1:59 2/5. His Gotham 9F gallop out time of 1:45 3/5 was also in the BH. But the mistake was mistaking the Whitney and Gotham 10F Gallop out times. That is all
ruffchamp1 2 years ago
I will repeat it on ALL the videos for you DOC Livingston BE109!!
ruffchamp1 2 years ago
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Oh by the way your fearless leader ruffchamp is the one who actually brought up his Whitney galloping out time for 10F.! Not to mention he claims he isn't so sure now about EG's 10F. split after winning the Gotham! Funny how he is not sure after I have nailed you clowns on this issue of EG's obvious legendary stamina! He was the flagbearer for bragging on it for years! LOL you guys are just skittering around aimlessly now and I love every minute of it! The truth hurts don't it?? LOL!
BE109 2 years ago
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How about EG's win the Whitney? He ran on a notoriously deep track at Saratoga(You guys have said so yourself by the way),and went 9F. in 1:47 2/5,and galloped out 10F. in 1:59 2/5,which means he went that final furlong in 12 seconds flat after running 9F. in a wicked time for Saratoga ON A DEEP TRACK and he had the stamina to go an extra furlong in 12 flat! Just another example of EG's virtually limitless stamina,oh yeah thats right only if SS wasn't beating him,LOL! You guys are big ass hypos
BE109 2 years ago
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Those fractions around a one turn race,which makes his 9F. and 10F. even more impressive by the way,because EG had to RUN FASTER FRACTIONS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE RACE,than what is generally the norm in a 2 turn race! Fractions of 22 2/5 - 44 1/5 - 1:08 3/5 - FT of 1:32 2/5 - & 9F. galloping out in 1:45 3/5 - 10F. galloping out in 1:58 3/5 scream legendary stamina something akin to Secretariat,yet he was used up by Day in the Preakness???? LOL what a bunch of BS!
BE109 2 years ago
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How many times do I have to say I am not comparing a 8F race to a 10F. or a 10F. to 12F. race! I am mentioning what EG did in ONE RACE! GOT THAT? LOL! I was talking about fractions from 2 furlongs all the way to 10F. in ONE DAMN RACE! Quit avoiding the issue here guys,this is so hilarious to see you guys squirming around like this!
BE109 2 years ago
There is no similarity at all from a mile race to a 1 1/4 race, and from a 1 1/4 race to 1 1/2 race. Pat Day sure knows that, and Pat Day knows what everybody else sees, and Pat Day still says the same thing he said back then, that his ride was atrocious
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago 3
Pat Day must not know anything? Is that correct? The jockey knows his total pilot error. And there is NO comparison at all between those races, and estimated gallop out times, which are total estimates anyway. Pat Day says and knows his rides were very bad, everybody can see that though
EASYGOER4LIFE 2 years ago 2
Yes sir. Go ask Pat Day why he called his ride Horrendous and abolute Rider Error!! Pat Day would know is right. Huge huge difference
ruffchamp1 2 years ago 2
GO ASK PAT DAY is correct!! Pat Day knows his awful ride beat him. Ask him. And the Preakness and Classic awful rides have ZERO at all to do with the Gotham, and that is around any amount of turns!! Once again go ask Pat Day
EZGOERFLEW 2 years ago 2
It has NOTHING to do with whether it was around one turn or two!!! There in NO comparsion at all from the way way too premature move in the Preakness to the Gotham. Zero. Go ask Pat Day. You should take some lessons from Pat Day
flylion132 2 years ago 2
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Cont-Around 1 turn,2 turns,3 turns,or around a figure 8 pattern! If EG had it on Gotham day,well he sure as hell had on Preakness day! I'm sorry the 9F and 10F times he ran after winning the Gotham in NEAR RECORD TIME prove beyond any shadow of a doubt,EG's stamina was not the problem in the Preakness,or the Classic for that matter! Remeber stamina is the same whether on 1 turn,2 turns,or anything else! You guys are nailed by your very own bragging! Gotcha! LOL!!!
BE109 2 years ago
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Cont- Remember he did it easy,and then here is the telling proof,he then went 9F. in NEAR WORLD RECORD TIME in 1:45 3/5,and went an unbelievable 1:58 3/5 for 10F. EG did all this while he was being geared down after winning the race,that makes it clear he could have gone much much faster if he had to! Thats 100% proof that he had almost unlimited stamina,and it shoots up the excuse that he lost the Preakness because Day used him too much too soon! Guys stamina is stamina whether it is run,Cont-
BE109 2 years ago
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You guys are in so deep,and I know it because you go off on this tangent that a 1 mile race is much different than a 1 1/4 or even a 1 3/16 race(thats not a revelation guys). What your not getting(or maybe you are! LOL!) is I'm talking about the fact that EG showed the world his virtually unlimited stamina IN ONE RACE,THE GOTHAM,IT IS QUITE IRRELEVANT THAT IT WAS A MILE RACE ,WHY YOU ASK?After going blazing sprint fractions he ran 8F. in a NEAR WORLD RECORD of 1:32 2/5! Which he did in hand,CONT
BE109 2 years ago
A one mile race is much different than a 1 1/4 or 1 3/16 races!!! Same thing with a 1 1/4 race being much different than a 1 1/2 race!! Do YOU understand that????? I don't think you do, but Pat Day sure does by calling his ride atrocious
DELMARCLUB1 2 years ago 2
Pat Day says it himself, he must not know anything heh?
EASYGOER4LIFE 2 years ago
Easy Goer was given awful rides in the Woodward and Whitney and Preakness and Classic. Not many debate those facts, but he could not overcome the very awful rides vs. the nose and neck of ss. SS took adavantage of those two very awful rides
EASYGOER4LIFE 2 years ago 2
And I THINK Pat Day knows what the difference was between his Horrendous ride in the Preakness!
ruffchamp1 2 years ago
I like that one- Go ask Pat Day why he called his ride so Horrendous and Absolute Rider Error!! YOU are saying that Day doesnt KNOW what HE is talking about!!!!
ruffchamp1 2 years ago
LOL! EG was ELEVEN lengths off the pace in the Classic!! OMG. NO comparison is right!! The Preakness and Classic bad rides are ZERO comparison to the Gotham-GO ASK PAT DAY!!
EZGOERFLEW 2 years ago
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Cont- There,and that fast everywhere. Well he romped in the Gotham,the Wood,Whitney,etc. Yet when he tangled with SS,a horse who was his great foe and equal,he lost 3 of 4 to SS! This comparison of these two races shows it,as does the preakness! GOTCHA BOYS AND GIRLS! I can't wait to hear the BS of well there is no comparison between a 1 turn race and a 2 turn race! 1:58 3/5 going 10F. after running 8F. in 1:32 2/5 is proof of UNGODLY stamina whether one goes 1 or 2 turns! I love it!! LOL!!
BE109 2 years ago
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Cont- So in the Classic the fractions were as follows: 1/4: 22 2/5 1/2: 46 1/5 3/4: 1:10 2/5 8F.: 1:35 10F. 2:00 1/5! In comparison to the blistering fractions in EG's Gotham,WHERE REMEMBER HE WAS CLOCKED GOING 10F in 1:58 3/5,the fractions in the classic,though quick were not even as taxing Right there your excuse is exposed for all to see,heck it is plain as day! I have saved this little surprise for you guys for years. I wanted you to just keep carping about how EG ran this fast here,Cont-
BE109 2 years ago
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I know you guys moan about EG's so-called HORRIBLE starts in the Preakness and the Classic. But where he was later in those races indicate they had no relevance whatsoever,especially given EG's PROVEN stellar stamina! You guys can't have it both ways! Lets look at the fractions of the Classic,which was run around 2 turns! Slew City Slew went out and blazed 22 2/5(Remember EG was right on top of a 22 2/5 first 1/4 in the Gotham,in which he was timed going 10F. in 1:58 3/5! in a gallop! ),Cont-
BE109 2 years ago
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Hey everytime you guys complain about how PD used up EG's stamina in the preakness and in the Classic,just remember EG's Gotham victory: 22 2/5 - 44 1/5 - 1:08 3/5 - 1:32 2/5 FT,and his gallop out times of 1:45 3/5 for 9F. - 1:58 3/5 for 10F. Remember he lost the preakness and the Classic going around 2 turns,and those Gotham S. fractions were around 1 turn. Where he was running much faster fractions than he would if the race was 2 turns! The moved too early excuse just falls apart! LOL!!
BE109 2 years ago