God is everywhere, Hell is not the absence of God. merely the punishment created for the Devil and his angels......you say can't have divine plan and freewill......you're wrong ....it is our freewill given by God to choose his divine plan for our lives or live the way we want and step off into the same hell intended for Satan and his angels.....it's that simple
8. I don't agree that God can't exist. I don't think your argument follows a logical path. You jumped from He is not in hell, to not all powerful. There is something missing in between those two conclusions. I would ask those who say that Hell is the absence of God where they find that in the Bible. I think it is just their belief, which does not make it true. If you base your argument off the belief of someone and not what the Bible teaches, you will come to faulty conclusions.
5. I don't believe Hell is the absence of God. I believe it is a physical place of torment. The other place being referred to on this board, is Hades or death. Hades and Hell are two different places. Just because God chooses not to go to Hell, doesn't mean He cannot.
6. I don't know how any of that leads to God not being all powerful.
7. I do agree that if He is not all powerful, He does not fit the description of what God must be.
3. God created all of us knowing what would happen.
4. Yes, I believe God has a plan, but it is brought about by our free will. Just because He knows our decision, doesn't mean He made it for us. He knows out decision and uses it for His plan.
and if he knows everything and planned everything out wouldnt that just mean we are an experiment for him?no the universe is random the the simple answer of god needs to be swept aside if we are to move forward as an modern human scociety
you must all relize that once you die your dead and you dont have to worry about it because you will be dead you have anymore thoughts the bible was based on primative assumptions of the people of that time just people 2000 years from now will be saying about our scientific theories of the universe if there is a god and our lives were pre planned out and we are bound to that path then life is pointless because nothing you do is of your doing but a plan laid out before the universe theres no god
But hell just means a grave. That's why Job prayed to go there when he was in pain, and why the Bible says that Jesus went there. So God didn't create it as such because it's an abstract concept - any bit of soil can be a grave, or be hell, if you put a body in it.
And since the Bible never says that God has any foreordained plan for everyone, the 'you can't have both' argument doesn't matter - we're not trying to have both, only the free will.
hell may mean the grave, but i have a feeling 14mm2 is making a reference to the infinite lake of fire mentioned thereabouts somewhere in your bible. revelations, 21:8, perhaps? "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" i don't think this is what Job was talking about, john.
But we know the lake of fire to be symbolic (like the book of Revelation in general) because in Revelation 20:13,14, death itself is said to be hurled there (hell may be hurled in there too, depending on your translation). Since death is not a tangible object, it clearly not be hurled into any literal place. The lake of fire is rather a symbol of destruction - death is eliminated forever, as therefore is the grave (from which men can be resurrected), and all the bad people mentioned later on.
omg, i hate it when bash the fossil record. not you, cuz you didnt. and you dun mean too. but christians doo. tell me, any christian watching this. IF THERE IS A GOD, and by default, all animals came into being at EXACTLY THE SAME TIME, how come there are no 200 million year old giraffe fossils???? O: pwnt cuz they evolved, i dare you to prove otherwise =P
How does there being a god imply that all animals came into being at the same time? Bit of a strawman argument isn't it?
In any case, if you want to make life without creation seem reasonable, the part you have to explain is the beginning of life. There's no evolution as such until life has begun, and I've yet to hear a plausible theory as how that is possible without a creator.
well, as far as i can tell, the only supporting evidence, -if you want to call it evidence- your god has is the bible, no? what does it say on the subject? what about abiogenesis? we've found numerous complex amino acids in friggen comets, for "christs sake". and i want you to tell me how an infinite god that has existed forever is more plausible than a universe that spawned itself. how, in the hell did you come to that conclusion. aren't you supposed to be the one supporting YOUR ideas???
write back soon, I've been waiting years for someone to explain how the big bang is less likely than an infinite god. to many people have told me it has to have had a beginning. the same can be said of god!!!
The Big Bang happening spontaneously isn't necessarily any less likely than an infinite God.
But if it did happen spontaneously, and there were no intelligence guiding what happened in the universe, the chances of life developing are minute. Whereas if there's a God creating things, that makes it to be expected that life will develop. Both theories may be possible, but one makes life much more probable, and the observation is that life does exist, suggesting the second theory is correct.
highly improbable doesn't mean much in the face of the universe. their are hundreds of billions of galaxies in our observable universe, and hundreds of billions of stars in every one. this makes for tens, even hundreds of sextillions of stars. how DARE you state that your god is any more plausible.
Back when attempted to calculate the probability of 1 of the 200 vital-for-life genes forming by chance, my taking into account the number of planets in the universe, even assuming 100,000,000,000 earth-like planets per galaxy, only increased the probability from 10^-691 to 10^-669 --- still comparable to the chance of picking at random a certain atom out of all the atoms in the universe 10 times in a row on your first try.
some creationalists argue that god is more probable because intelligent design seems inherently more probable than the big bang theory. but, isn't an intelligent god spawning in the midst of infinite nothingness even more unlikely than out current, observable chaotic universe?
You know as well as I do (because you stated it earlier) that the hypothesis isn't that God 'spawned', it is that he had no beginning (just as Hawking has hypothesised about the universe).
God is not expected to work by means of moving parts interacting according to physical laws like we are, there isn't expected to be any complexity in his nature, he is just considered to be an entity, an immaterial consciousness. Why should that be improbable, or even have a probability assigned to it?
You forgot to mention that God gives AIDS to babies in Africa! I mean, if you're going to make him ultimately responsible for everything...
dogchristopher 3 months ago
God is everywhere, Hell is not the absence of God. merely the punishment created for the Devil and his angels......you say can't have divine plan and freewill......you're wrong ....it is our freewill given by God to choose his divine plan for our lives or live the way we want and step off into the same hell intended for Satan and his angels.....it's that simple
castb4u 2 years ago
if their is a god he probably has videos on you tub
i9long 2 years ago
8. I don't agree that God can't exist. I don't think your argument follows a logical path. You jumped from He is not in hell, to not all powerful. There is something missing in between those two conclusions. I would ask those who say that Hell is the absence of God where they find that in the Bible. I think it is just their belief, which does not make it true. If you base your argument off the belief of someone and not what the Bible teaches, you will come to faulty conclusions.
dfjr2323 2 years ago
5. I don't believe Hell is the absence of God. I believe it is a physical place of torment. The other place being referred to on this board, is Hades or death. Hades and Hell are two different places. Just because God chooses not to go to Hell, doesn't mean He cannot.
6. I don't know how any of that leads to God not being all powerful.
7. I do agree that if He is not all powerful, He does not fit the description of what God must be.
dfjr2323 2 years ago
1. Yes God created everything.
2. Yes, God created Hell.
3. God created all of us knowing what would happen.
4. Yes, I believe God has a plan, but it is brought about by our free will. Just because He knows our decision, doesn't mean He made it for us. He knows out decision and uses it for His plan.
dfjr2323 2 years ago
@dfjr2323 That makes ZERO sense at all... You can't have both!
dogchristopher 3 months ago
It's all just energy, interacting.
ntt688 3 years ago
I am an atheistfag and i personally found that video to be the most retarded piece of shit ive ever watched
Protip: Read The Atheist Manifesto
Dfizzle2012 3 years ago
hey i see a monkey face in that stardust
jaflkbngfpnt 3 years ago
and if he knows everything and planned everything out wouldnt that just mean we are an experiment for him?no the universe is random the the simple answer of god needs to be swept aside if we are to move forward as an modern human scociety
chokeonit4563 3 years ago
you must all relize that once you die your dead and you dont have to worry about it because you will be dead you have anymore thoughts the bible was based on primative assumptions of the people of that time just people 2000 years from now will be saying about our scientific theories of the universe if there is a god and our lives were pre planned out and we are bound to that path then life is pointless because nothing you do is of your doing but a plan laid out before the universe theres no god
chokeonit4563 3 years ago
But hell just means a grave. That's why Job prayed to go there when he was in pain, and why the Bible says that Jesus went there. So God didn't create it as such because it's an abstract concept - any bit of soil can be a grave, or be hell, if you put a body in it.
And since the Bible never says that God has any foreordained plan for everyone, the 'you can't have both' argument doesn't matter - we're not trying to have both, only the free will.
johnsmithbsc 3 years ago
God made everything.
If he fits into the definition of God - he is the creator. He made EVERYTHING. And he knows EVERYTHING.
So he made the grave knowing full-well what would happen.
14mm2 3 years ago
Now I'm not sure what your point is. If God did make the grave, what's bad about that? Dead bodies have to go somewhere.
johnsmithbsc 3 years ago
hell may mean the grave, but i have a feeling 14mm2 is making a reference to the infinite lake of fire mentioned thereabouts somewhere in your bible. revelations, 21:8, perhaps? "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" i don't think this is what Job was talking about, john.
XcaptainXobliviousX 3 years ago
But we know the lake of fire to be symbolic (like the book of Revelation in general) because in Revelation 20:13,14, death itself is said to be hurled there (hell may be hurled in there too, depending on your translation). Since death is not a tangible object, it clearly not be hurled into any literal place. The lake of fire is rather a symbol of destruction - death is eliminated forever, as therefore is the grave (from which men can be resurrected), and all the bad people mentioned later on.
johnsmithbsc 3 years ago
Where do you decide what's symbollic and what is literal?
You have to pick and choose.
If God inspired the Bible would it not be literal and easy to understand? Without drawing a million conclusions from any given verse?
The fact that people believe in the bible is nothing short of pathetic.
14mm2 3 years ago
omg, i hate it when bash the fossil record. not you, cuz you didnt. and you dun mean too. but christians doo. tell me, any christian watching this. IF THERE IS A GOD, and by default, all animals came into being at EXACTLY THE SAME TIME, how come there are no 200 million year old giraffe fossils???? O: pwnt cuz they evolved, i dare you to prove otherwise =P
XcaptainXobliviousX 3 years ago 3
How does there being a god imply that all animals came into being at the same time? Bit of a strawman argument isn't it?
In any case, if you want to make life without creation seem reasonable, the part you have to explain is the beginning of life. There's no evolution as such until life has begun, and I've yet to hear a plausible theory as how that is possible without a creator.
johnsmithbsc 3 years ago
well, as far as i can tell, the only supporting evidence, -if you want to call it evidence- your god has is the bible, no? what does it say on the subject? what about abiogenesis? we've found numerous complex amino acids in friggen comets, for "christs sake". and i want you to tell me how an infinite god that has existed forever is more plausible than a universe that spawned itself. how, in the hell did you come to that conclusion. aren't you supposed to be the one supporting YOUR ideas???
XcaptainXobliviousX 3 years ago 2
all this from yur number one EX Mormon! O:
write back soon, I've been waiting years for someone to explain how the big bang is less likely than an infinite god. to many people have told me it has to have had a beginning. the same can be said of god!!!
XcaptainXobliviousX 3 years ago
The Big Bang happening spontaneously isn't necessarily any less likely than an infinite God.
But if it did happen spontaneously, and there were no intelligence guiding what happened in the universe, the chances of life developing are minute. Whereas if there's a God creating things, that makes it to be expected that life will develop. Both theories may be possible, but one makes life much more probable, and the observation is that life does exist, suggesting the second theory is correct.
johnsmithbsc 3 years ago
highly improbable doesn't mean much in the face of the universe. their are hundreds of billions of galaxies in our observable universe, and hundreds of billions of stars in every one. this makes for tens, even hundreds of sextillions of stars. how DARE you state that your god is any more plausible.
XcaptainXobliviousX 3 years ago
Back when attempted to calculate the probability of 1 of the 200 vital-for-life genes forming by chance, my taking into account the number of planets in the universe, even assuming 100,000,000,000 earth-like planets per galaxy, only increased the probability from 10^-691 to 10^-669 --- still comparable to the chance of picking at random a certain atom out of all the atoms in the universe 10 times in a row on your first try.
johnsmithbsc 3 years ago
some creationalists argue that god is more probable because intelligent design seems inherently more probable than the big bang theory. but, isn't an intelligent god spawning in the midst of infinite nothingness even more unlikely than out current, observable chaotic universe?
XcaptainXobliviousX 3 years ago
You know as well as I do (because you stated it earlier) that the hypothesis isn't that God 'spawned', it is that he had no beginning (just as Hawking has hypothesised about the universe).
God is not expected to work by means of moving parts interacting according to physical laws like we are, there isn't expected to be any complexity in his nature, he is just considered to be an entity, an immaterial consciousness. Why should that be improbable, or even have a probability assigned to it?
johnsmithbsc 3 years ago