Grave of Mary Jane Kelly, St Patrick's Cemetery

[billymoon1965]

Mary Ann Nichols AKA Polly Nichols Mary Ann Kelly. AKA Catherine Eddows Mary Kelly AKA Mary jane Kelly Is this all just coincidence ? Annie chapman & Liz Stride both lived at 35 Dorset street , Mary Kelly was at 26 dorset st , Polly lived across the street at 18 thrawl st . Catherine Eddows was less than 100 yards away in flower & dean street . 80.000 prostitutes living in London . Still just coincidence ? Wake up people !

[Kaffyboy]

Seriously, they didn't have much of her to bury. That sick bastard really made a mess of this poor lady. Here's hoping JTR is burning in Hell now!

[blakey66]

i have made a comment on here a few mths ago .please tell me if anyone can hear a voice

[baraxor]

More reasons for Mary Kelly's continuing popularity:

Her story is a microcosm of Jack's...just as we cannot ID her murderer, we have virtually no confirmable facts about the personal history of "Mary Jean/Jeannette/Jane Kelly",

The gruesome photo is a JtL icon; because it's the only "crime scene" shot it invites people to play detective and try to find clues about the killer and his (or her) victim. It's also a keyhole look at the sad, squalid life of a typical LV prostitute

[blakey66]

did any one hear a voice 

[tomslemenfan]

I'll tell you who killed her at last. Jack the Ripper - Secret Service. Please Google this.

[criticalsmithy]

That's right freacls.

None of them deserved this.

[rockstarcaden]

I hear a female voice at 0:32 say "it was Sickert!"

[Xena111Vit111]

@rockstarcaden I finally heard it took me about 10 tries.

[trimas3]

@Xena111Vit111 Did you hear a name?

[Xena111Vit111]

@trimas3 Yeah. It was Sickert.I searched Sickert and it came up with Walter Sickert so..hes pretty much Jack The Ripper from my guess.

[trimas3]

@Xena111Vit111 I hear Sickert too. I'm really surprised that someone else hears the name Sickert. Yay!!

[trimas3]

Besides rockstarcaden, who is my grandson. I accidentally posted while he was logged in. So that was me who posted under his account.

[criticalsmithy]

R.I.P Mary Jane Kelly. You did not deserve this.

[freacls]

@criticalsmithy none of the poor women deserved it and i hope their all in a better place now and Jack who ever he was rots in hell

[MsnHacker2010]

is this cemetery haunted?

[funkyjeffyg]

is jack a ghost or ohh nvm just remebered

[MetaplaceDixi]

How Do we know This is Her? Theres Probably 40 million Mary Jane Kelly's around the world -.-

[GuildfordGhost]

@MetaplaceDixi This is a truly bizarre comment. Firstly, we have no idea her real name WAS Mary Jane Kelly as it is simply the name she gave to people in the last months of her life. Of COURSE we know it is the woman who was killed by Jack The Ripper because her funeral was covered in immense detail and her grave site known then and now. You might as well ask if it's President John F Kennedy buried in Arlington Cemetery because there's millions of John Kennedys in the world!

[shauna76]

@GuildfordGhost You're right, but there's another video about her which shows a different grave. Anyways, may she rest in peace. :)

[pdjbuzz51]

RIP mary.

[joannalexus1]

Very sad.....:(

[masifali100]

POOR KELLY MAY GOD REST YOUR SOUL IN PEACE .AMIN

[JGGreyhound]

My Great-Grandad is buried but 4 graves away from Mary's Grave !!!

[Totaly14]

Its so sad seeing the graves of victims to terrible murders like the JTR murders. It boils my blood knowing that the sicko got away with it and was never found! =/

[ultradumbass]

@Totaly14 how do you know? many serial killers on death row for other murders insisted they were the ripper but the police did not have enough evidence to confirm. another serial killer just before he was about to be hanged for murdering 2 people by poison was said to have said "i am jack the" but the gallows then left loose before he said everything. however the police say serial killers generally don't change the method of their kills so even serial killers making claims can't be proven.

[Totaly14]

@ultradumbass I know she was a prostitute and I look down on prostitudes, I have no respect for them. but that was a different time. No one disveres a death like that

[maddragonz189]

she was a prostitute. and even though she may not deserve it, a lot of people look down on that. its like disrespecting her body, herself, and to people. if she wasent a prostitute he wouldent have bruttally killer her.@Totaly14

[trimas3]

@maddragonz189 A lot of people are murdered and they are not prostitutes. Why do men kill babies and children? They aren't prostitutes. If Jack had not chosen these women, he would have chosen someone else. He's just an evil S.O.B.

[Nightwithe]

who puts all these flowers on the grave? it's kinda weird

[KiwieCake]

@Nightwithe

not really. the victims from jack the ripper are famous like celebrities. poor woman :(

[baraxor]

@Nightwithe

Mary Kelly's grave probably gets more attention because 1) her death was the most horrific, and 2) the belief that she was a beauty and/or whore with a golden heart.

[patjoethebaker]

@baraxor its ironic you should say that, her heart was missing from the crime scene. poor girl

[baraxor]

@patjoethebaker

Quite so!

[patjoethebaker]

@baraxor the jack the ripper story is so brutal and helpless that when i first saw pictures and read the accounts of the killings i wasnt able to sleep for about a month without the tv on or being able to hear people talking downstairs. so even 123 years on its still one of, if not THE most shocking murder story ever. i suppose i should have known better than to be researching things like that when i was 12!

[burnt62]

Rest in peace you poor woman

[fc231]

I shall look up to reading that book, thank you for the suggestion : ) As far as JTR being Kosminski, highly inconclusive. JTR could have been anyone. I do agree that he had to be some kind of cannibal in order to do what he did or even some necrophilic. Just two questions for you GuildfordGhost being this is a Mary Kelly room. What's your opinion/theory on who could have possibly shouted "Murder!" from Mary's room that night? Lastly, do you think Mary was beautiful? May she R.I.P. @}-}----

[GuildfordGhost]

Hi again. The 'Murder!' cry is still a subject of much debate. Anyone being killed would shout "No!", "Stop!" or "Help!". It was also said by Prater to have been not that close - Mary was literally a few feet away. Do I think MJK was beautiful? No one knows. No one. I certainly feel she is almost worshipped to the point of ghastliness. She was no more or less worthy than any of the other women who had their lives taken away from them.

[cha5]

@GuildfordGhost I wonder do you think The Ripper wore an Inverness or some sort of outer clothing/covering to hide what must have been blood covered clothing especially after the Mary Kelly killing? I think if he hadn't someone would surely have noticed him on the streets after a bloody killing unless he either A. vanished into thin air

B. Made his way through the London sewer system by way of man holes around Whitechapel and Spitafields.

[GuildfordGhost]

Hello - B has actually been researched and discounted. A is just for the movies. It's a long explanation, but he could easily walk around unlit, very dark streets in the middle of the night in a dark suit and not been noticed. He cut the victims throats before mutilating them, so there would not be any spurting blood except for the throat injuries. He would probably only have blood on his hands and his sleeves.

[cha5]

@GuildfordGhost

thanks for answering my question, that idea certainly makes more sense than some theories I've heard about JTR being a butcher "Look out my dear,

 Leather Apron's going to get you"

or a midwife who would never have been noticed in bloody clothing, Thank you Dr Conan Doyle, you gave us a great fictional detective, but you weren't much help with the real life mystery of JTR LOL.

[GuildfordGhost]

Welcome you are. I've had people on the tour ask me - halfway through the evening - if Sherlock Holmes was real and Jack the Ripper was fictional.

[cha5]

@GuildfordGhost

Yeah I'm sure you've heard every question out there, If I ever get over to the UK again I'll be sure to look your tour up,

I've read quite alot about JTR from factual work like 'The Complete Jack The Ripper' to some fictional things Alan Moore & Eddie Campbell's 'From Hell' which does a great job of recreating Victorian London even though it brings up the old Royalty/Dr Gull being behind everything and 'Dust and Shadow' IMHO probably the best SH/JTR story ever done

[cha5]

@cha5 Cont To the half assed theorizing JTR books like that "Maybrick Diary"

and Pat Cornwall's 'Case Closed' and way too many others,

I always try to check whenever someone claims they've got final concrete proof of JTR's ID (Yeah right) just out of curiousity more than anything, and I check up on 'Casebook' whenever I can, Anyways I went to London about 10 years ago and wanted to check out Whitechapel on my own using a London A to Z map,

[cha5]

@cha5 Cont

but it was getting towards nighttime and I decided against it,

It's probably a good thing I didn't go there on my own, I've heard Whitechapel and Spitafields can be a pretty hairy neighborhood if you don't know them.

Sorry about the length my response here,

Anyways I'll be sure to look up your tour if I get up back up to London,

Thanks again.

[GuildfordGhost]

Good to hear from someone with their head screwed on. I used to be a major player on Casebook but I left the site recently and feel a lot better for it. Have you got either of the books I had a hand in?

[cha5]

@GuildfordGhost

I don't think so, what are their titles?

I'll be sure to try and order them.

[GuildfordGhost]

I co-authored THE LONDON OF JACK THE RIPPER THEN AND NOW and did THE JACK THE RIPPER LOCATION PHOTOGRAPHS myself.

[baraxor]

@GuildfordGhost

In former days, crying "Murder!" could have meant many more things than someone being, well, murdered; it could be a warning about some other calamity, and even today one could say "Oh, murder!" out deep frustration or disgust (equivalent of the f-word).

[GuildfordGhost]

@baraxor Absolutely. I maintain that saying 'Murder!' if YOU'RE about to be stabbed is bizarre. It'd be 'Stop', 'Please', 'No', 'Help', 'Don't' etc. A direct request to the assailant.

[harmonyliberty]

arron kosminski is jack the ripper. case closed

[GuildfordGhost]

Based on what? The Macnaghten memo of 1894 is viewed by all Ripper historians as being deeply flawed. For a start, no serious Ripperologist believes the Aaron Kosminski you refer you was JTR as he was a harmless schizophrenic with no history of violence and was not even taken into Colney Hatch until 1891.

[fc231]

I believe Barnett did identify the corpse to be of Mary Kelly based on the color of her eyes (which were blue) and her ears. For a man who has been with her for quite a while, I think he could not have been mistaken. However, the one man who I think could have captured the Ripper, if he only waited much longer, was George Hutchinson. He waited outside of Miller's Court after Mary walked with a "fellow" to her room.

[GuildfordGhost]

Hello. There's still some debate about HOW Joe identified MJK (and we can be fairly sure that wasn't really her name). The eyes is a definite. Some people say the other was her ears (remember they were cut off) and some say the other was her hair. In spite of Hutch and I sharing a surname, I have my concerns about him. That statement is generally accepted as being far too detailed and I do wonder sometimes!

[fc231]

Hi there. Your right about MJK not using her real name. At the time I guess they had nick names ( such with the case of "Long Liz" for Elizabeth Stride and "Dark Annie"). Jack the Ripper will always be a mystery. Some people believed him to be Walter Sickert, but for someone who knew exactly where the organs were located, it had to be a man in the medical field, perhaps? Any readings that you suggest? Thank you for replying! :)

[GuildfordGhost]

These days, it seems only Patricia Cornwell and anyone who has ONLY read her book believe the ridiculous Sickert theory. I don't go along with the medical Ripper. I feel body parts were taken randomly; there was very little skill shown. He was a trophy hunter or cannibal. The book everyone should read is Philip Sugden's COMPLETE HISTORY OF JACK THE RIPPER. There's loads of others too, but it's generally regarded by most in the field as being the best.

[viper4525]

Like i said before the last victim was so bloody mutalated that they could not really tell if it was mary jane kelly

[chrisblackfingernail]

Hi, enjoyed your 'guided tours' very much, been an armchair ripperphile for years now, and one day I promise myself to go and take a tour of the streets themselves! Going back to the victims, its a pity we cannot use modern forensics on the bodies themselves, if we could identify them, and Im sure the marks are still on them then surely we could gain more knowledge about the murders and possibly the murderer. But, perhaps we should leave them in peace, they deserved it after the last 100 years!

[GuildfordGhost]

Hi. All the bodies were buried in multiple grave sites, some of them being reburied several times over and the exact spots of none of them being known. Even if the bodies were isolated and identified - of which there is 0% chance - analysis of the bones would - and could ever - only show evidence of the wounds, which are already known in detail. The only possible use of exhumation would be identification of the woman who called herself Mary Kelly.

[chrisblackfingernail]

The murder sites have gone, the people have gone, but the interest will always be there. Do you think if the killers identity came to light that the whole ripper thing would eventually fade away? afterall its the fact that he was never caught which seems to catch the imagination! Personally i doubt it, as the killings came at a time of major social change, i suppose in some ways the killer may have inadvertly been a part of the social reforms that eventually London and its poor received.

[dkssoap]

As a few of you have said, the man (or men) may well have been drenched in blood. But in 1888 they had very poor street lighting. and, if the person was in dark or black clothing, it would be almost impossible to see the blood. Also, as the murders were commited in the small hours of the morning, very few people would have been around. And to carry home a kidney would have been as easy as carring one home during the day, in a bag, in butcher paper prehaps.

[GuildfordGhost]

You're right about the street lighting and clothing (indeed, I say this on my tours) but the streets would not have been quiet in the way we think of them today. People were always on the streets going to and from work at ungodly hours. The kidney was taken from Eddowes. Kelly had her heart removed.

[VlogasaurusFlex]

weren't easy to come by.. for a poor man. So he couldn't afford to throw away a coat or a pair of pants, I wouldn't think.

[GuildfordGhost]

There's occasional witness statements of a man having a parcel under his arm and sometimes a long bag. If the knife was as long and sharp as suspected, it's unlikely he'd be able to conceal it on his person. You make some very astute observations about the body parts and his clothing. I've always thought this meant he had a room to himself to clean up afterwards.

[VlogasaurusFlex]

Blood stains, though.. I would think any pocket carrying an organ freshly ripped from someone's body would be forever saturated and stained with blood. I doubt he would have walked through the streets holding them in his hand... Maybe under his deer stalker hat??

Isn't it amazing no one found this bloody clothing.. or blood stained package with a kife inside, after his death.. or incarceration.. or whatever..

[skylur44]

The fact he was able to maneuver around all the people and police on the streets is further indication he used a coach and a bag to put his souvenirs in and his knife/knives he used. The murders were done in the carriage which explains the lack of blood at the scene, they were dumped afterwards and since JTR was not on foot, he had little risk of being apprehended.

[VlogasaurusFlex]

You know, I was trying to think tonight about how the Ripper consceled his knife before and after the murder. In his pocket? Or did he carry something.. such as the parcel wrapped in newspaper one witness discribed. He had to put the organs he removed into something also.. Eddowes kidney, Kelly's heart, etc. Did he put them in his pocket?? If so, his clothing would have had alot of blood stains. Amazing those clothes were never found.. And if we presume that the Ripper was a poor local, clothes

[VlogasaurusFlex]

Were all the victims placed in mass graves? Or are any of them in single graves.. from your videos it looks like Stride and Kelly have single graves?

[GuildfordGhost]

You ain't half asking some good questions! Yes, all the victims were buried in mass graves (not in the way we'd consider them 'mass' today, though). Stride and Kelly have monuments roughly above the grave shared by other people. My great-nan, for example, is buried in a mass grave in London but her body lies under the monument for the one person in it whose family could afford one; my relative isn't named at all.

[ulpblablablabla]

o ok, that makes sense, where im from they dont do things like that

[ulpblablablabla]

its amazing how intact the tombstone is after more than a century

[GuildfordGhost]

The first tombstone was placed on the rough location by John Morrison in 1986 - this is actually the THIRD one and is less than a decade old.

[Kt087]

is this the big cemetery you see on the central line between leyton and leytonstone?

[GuildfordGhost]

Hi - I am fairly sure it is, as the times I've been there I've got off the Central Line at Leytonstone and it's about five minutes walk from there.

[091053JG]

Landlord (slumlord really) John McCarthy the owner of 26 and 27 Dorset Street, is buried nearby.

[GuildfordGhost]

Indeed. I filmed the McCarthy monument at the same time and that's also uploaded here.

[ricmilu]

The exact spot isnt known?

In proximation to her marker how far would you say is Kellys body give or take? Wasnt her plot marked the day she was originally buried? Why not?

Cheers for any help.

[GuildfordGhost]

Hello. Nope - the exact spot isn't known. It's an approximation based, I think, on records of when burials were held. Mary is buried in a common grave along with a lot of other people who have no memorial (like my great-grandmother in St Pancras Cemetery). I couldn't tell you how near or far she is to the stone - probably no more than 2 metres in any direction.

[091053JG]

I wonder if any more photos of the victims (in life or death) will ever be found.

[GuildfordGhost]

There can be no doubt others existed and that some still DO. If they'll ever be identified as such is another matter. You'll obviously know of the Annie Chapman wedding photo found by Neal Shelden but there is also a photo of a non-canonical victim in life. It's a closely-guarded secret and I've not seen it but I know who has a copy. Photos of people and places connected to the case turn up all the time - I've found some myself!

[saxm]

I wish they'd find one of Catherine Eddowes. And of course, we'd all like to see if Mary Kelly was indeed, pretty.

[GuildfordGhost]

Hi again! To get an image of CE would not be out of the question as she has a lot of relatives. Check out Neal Sheldon's last book (the one with the Annie Chapman wedding photo on the cover). However, MJK will just not happen - not alive, anyway - as we know nothing about any family or background beyond what she told people and it's clear some of that was lies. There were other mortuary shots taken of her that have never come to light, however,

[saxm]

I have the book!

[GuildfordGhost]

Ah - good for you. I think the 1920s ones are particularly similar. Even meeting some of her distant relatives two years ago, you could see straight away certain family traits.

[infrared567]

Is this the exact gravesite? And I take it this is not the original gravestone?

[GuildfordGhost]

Hi - the site is approximate (and she's not the only body in that grave) and the stone is the third one on the spot in the LAST 20 YEARS! The first two were erected by the late John Morrison and the current one was, I believe, funded by St Patrick's.

[draughtbones]

I was at the grave site in February, whist on tour in Europe. I could feel a very strong energy there. After having read and studied the case & victims for quite a long time, it was very surreal to be here on this very spot. Your video is a very nice 'memento', as I was without a video cam on that cold, rainy day. As a sidebar, for my next visit: do you know whether the mortuary in Shoreditch where Mary was brought following Miller's Court is still in existence? Same locale & usage?

[GuildfordGhost]

Hello. The mortuary was demolished many years ago and we don't even have any pictures of it - just a plan of its shape on old maps. It lies directly behind St Leonard's Church in Shoreditch High Street. There is now a modern derelict concrete storage shed and flagstones on the actual spot.

[Scottthefish]

Why isn't the exact gravesite known?

[GuildfordGhost]

That's a fair question. Mary was buried primarily at the expense of the clerk of St Leonard's, Shoreditch, and there's other burials in the spot. It's only a rough plot - we know she's within a couple of metres of where the headstone is, but then so are a good dozen or more bodies. If there had been a headstone from the start, it'd be easier but we've no record of one prior to the mid-1980s.

[GuildfordGhost]

Just a message to the posters on this thread - the vitriolic prostitute-hating posts have been removed and the poster has been blocked. There is a point when opinion becomes instability, and I didn't like the tone of his views.

[Rosiercentral]

I quite agree, even though I was about to hit him with a nice, long, distinct quote from Paul Roland's book, "The Crimes of Jack the Ripper," about how desparate life was back then and how despicable this youtube user was acting. I was hoping to shut him up with responsible sense and decency.

Sorry that you had to suffer through our rather heated argument.

[GuildfordGhost]

Well, straight after that I had to bar the person who was doing the main argueing - the one with the Joe Barnett fixation. His posts were suddenly unpleasant as well. There are places on YouTube for childishness, and my account ain't one of them! Thanks for your reasoned and intelligent posts.

[Rosiercentral]

You're welcome, although I doubt I deserve your considerable thanks.

Anyone with a single bone of decency would've been offended by his words and have reacted in the same way. Merely, it was just that it happened to me this time.

[Rosiercentral]

Nearly forgot to add: What does vitriolic mean?

[GuildfordGhost]

Heh - I suppose one way of explaining it would be aggressive and poisonous energy. Spite with intent and purpose.

[Rosiercentral]

Very well said, then. It described his posts, for certain.

Thanks for giving the time to enlighten me.

[Rosiercentral]

Jack the Ripper will be the only one burning in hell.

And may I ask, why do you insist on calling them "prossy"?

[Rosiercentral]

The only true sinner I see is that of the killer. "Thou shalt not kill," it must be the most vivid of the Ten Commandments.

Where does it say in the Bible, "Thou not sell one's body for money, even if that means that you and/or your entire family shall starve to death"? Back in those days, it wasn't an excuse but the bottom line: You wanna eat, where and how are you going to work for it?? The unemployment rate was terrible. In many cases, to be a good parent meant you had to sell yourself.

[Rosiercentral]

Jack the Ripper probably did have a reason that was justifiable in his head, but he was an insane bastard. I remember hearing a theory that he was a woman hater, and prostitutes were simply to easiest people to kill and get away with it.

[Rosiercentral]

And society at that time had pushed her into that sin. She did what she did in order to SURVIVE, and considering the type of poverty she was in, it is quite understandable.

Even though she was a prostitute, that's STILL NO reason to murder her, nor to vandalize her grave. It is those vandals who are a disgrace to society, not her.

[lol2k20]

It's been 120 Years today that she was murdered.

[GuildfordGhost]

Indeed it was. Kudos to you for remembering and for putting up a post.

[Rosiercentral]

I hear that people keep vandalizing her gravestone.

Those sickos.

Rest in Peace, Mary Kelly.

[althegamefreak]

i mean find them.

[GuildfordGhost]

Ooh, you got in just in time before I posted a corrective comment! Indeed, we still don't know to this day if she had any family or even if her name really WAS Mary Jane Kelly - Census Returns have only muddied the waters rather than given us answers.

[sanjuro4]

Thanks for the videos.

Last week I went to the JTR exhibition at the Docklands Museum. It was really good IMO.

I have since borrowed a couple of books on the case.

I will have to tour the area sometime, seeing as I live in central London.

[GuildfordGhost]

You're very welcome! The Docklands exhibition has done a fine job but it's all a bit dry and too much social conditions and less/nothing on the actual people who died. They do stock my book there, though (The London Of Jack The Ripper Then And Now).

[sanjuro4]

Yeh, I think the exhibition was intended to focus on the conditions of the East End as much as the actual killings.

I did learn a bit about the women involved though, but you're right there wasn't too much specific detail about them however.

It was fascinating to see some of the actual items, such as the original letters etc.

[althegamefreak]

i saw the picture and it was very sad that jack mutilated her face and stuff.i also feel bad that the family didnt attend her funeral cause they could'nt find her.

[MitchKid432]

Jack the ripper is probably buried there as well. They just don't know.

[GuildfordGhost]

This is a bizarre assumption. All witnesses who claimed they heard suspects talking to the victims before they died claimed they sounded 'foreign' (in LVP parlence, Jewish).  Are you suggesting JTR was a Catholic Jew?

[sshakkkkkk]

i live in dat area

[Svetlanka83]

What a sad end to alife, As i understand it at her funeral no direct living relatives showed and they were never able to trace her brothers or parents or even verify their existance.

[GuildfordGhost]

That's about it. We know nothing for sure about her. Not her age, origin, family, background or even her real name (MJK is only what she TOLD people her name was).

[Svetlanka83]

Thats the thing people tend to forget about the sad squalid existance of the ripper victaims. Although with MJK i believe at her inquest her former partner Jo Barnett sad he used to read her letters from her brother who was in an Irish regiment, although that could have been a lie i suppose we shall never know i guess, unless some lost evidence turns up. Thanks for the reply by the way

[GuildfordGhost]

Not at all. Always nice to engage with someone who's done a little homework. Joe Barnett told the enquiry that he used to read the newspaper to her, though. Mary had TOLD him she had a brother in the Irish Regiment. No letters as far as I know.

[mcebe]

Great footage!!

[AhPuch1966]

haha I found it intresting that just as you said her name a breeze of wind made all of her flowers move, very nice timing

[GuildfordGhost]

Thanks - I arranged it that way. ;o)

[TobyTheTissue]

Wasn't that grave stone paid for and erected by some wannabe author that had a fixation about her? He was supposed to release a book on the killings about 17 years ago, but I never saw it released. Can't remember his name - old bloke, dodgy hair. Was mentioned in teh London Evening Standard at the time, I think. ...of course, I could be wrong about all this, but I don't think I am.

[GuildfordGhost]

You're absolutely right. His name was John Morrison and he died a little over a year ago. He wrote and published an appaling (but rare) little pamphlet called JIMMY KELLY'S YEAR OF RIPPER MURDERS. He was certainly a strange one but his heart was in the right place (no pun intended).

[TobyTheTissue]

"...but his heart was in the right place"

That's actually quite funny. Poor Mary, eh? Thanks for the confirmation. John Morrison it was.

[beckyuk2001]

It's nice to know that even after 100 years people are still laying flower. Thats nice.

[GuildfordGhost]

Yeah. I was at another of the graves the same day when a woman did just that - her own relative is buried nearby and she always brings a flower for Catherine as well. Spooky - I've just got home from the international Ripper Conference!

[mattbernabe]

Thanks for posting! What a shitie why for that woman to die.

[GuildfordGhost]

Indeed it was. More to the point, what a shite was for all those victims to have lived. There were Mary Jane Kelly's in every alleyway. We only remember the one who was pulled apart, but this countries treatment of the poor in the past was shocking. I advise getting a copy of Jack London's THE PEOPLE OF THE ABYSS to everyone. It'll make you sad and angry.

[GuildfordGhost]

Not at all. Thanks for watching. :o)

[beckyuk2001]

Thanks for sharing.