Jeff Loomis Young Guitar [Ascending Atonal Lick]

[venkutu92]

this fucked my brain.....



[6672rock]

It has a sort of diminished feel to it.

[rickyvangooberblat]

@6672rock atonal has no tonal feel it's pretty much chromatic.

[HorusHeresy50]

Maybe a whole step scale, no ?



[KARVAKY]

@HorusHeresy50 No, those are called Tritones.

[lukechalaudio]

this sounds more like a sequence than atonal though the notes in the motif are very atonal sounding themselves Though the only harmonic context that will fit each motif are polychords. After concluding this I'd have to say it's a atonal sequence that fits into a harmonic polychord structure.

[ZurabMelua]

@lukechalaudio NNNEEERRRRDDDD!

[elmingodotcom]

@ZurabMelua roflmao true

[maynrdjkeenan]

not atonal.

[RyanMartinIsForYou]

Yes, the tone sucks.... but when you can play like that, who cares?!!

[mrsaganscosmos]

@RyanMartinIsForYou who cares if you can play like that if the tone sucks haha jp

[aero3132]

It's good to learn things like this even if you won't use them imo. Mostly because it gets your hands used to doing things of that nature and also helps develop more fretboard freedom. It's why I started learning sweeps and other things. Since then my fingers have felt "lighter" and it's easier to do things like stronger bends and all that on non-neoclassical-type things.

[xxxwilcoxxx]

anyone have tabs?

[AngryLlamaz]

this shit sounds so out of this world.

[Poltergeist232]

Yes, this scale was used in 'Born' solo.

[soitupapy]

no es atonal...es la escala simetrica "octafona", compuesta solamente de intervalos de a un tono("whole tone" scale en ingles)

[danielrrjd]

@soitupapy where's the tonal center in a whole tone scale, may I ask? ;)

[soitupapy]

no tonal center...whole tone scale is a symetrical scale..like diminished scale, but diminished scale have 2 modes and the whole tone sacale have just one.

[chillichomper]

Don't get me wrong, Loomis is awesome, but I just don't know when I would use this. At least mustaines spider pattern has more applications.

[wrokjon]

he uses it and accually this doesnt look that hard to use

[SeeThroughDreams]

Hey, I get what your saying about about Mustaine's spider pattern, and I have have written a few riffs of my own that use it. However, I also see how this could be applied, as alot of metal bands use chromatics, so I think that the application is not just this particular lick, but rather the idea behind it.

[xEXSEIGEx]

when youre playing the solo for born

hahaha

[HuberttXXX17]

it was used in second part of Born solo I guess or something similar:)

[REDTEARS667]

im sure he woud find a way tho...

[WeBelieve2008]

whether or not you can find a way to use it, it's good to learn many different patterns and licks on the guitar. It's always great being a versatile player. It makes you a better player in general

[johnnythemonster]

he probly scooped the mids so you can hear the difference between the notes more clearly. Mids add power and tone to a guitars sound, but blur notes together.

[CreeCore94]

is it just me..or the tone is really fucken bad..i hope its me

[mongobongoman]

yeah its really bad lol far tooo scooped honestly turn up your mids people!

[LessthanJake14]

It is you.

[pantera1281]

the tone sucks on all the young guitar videos for every guitarist

[bastardsofdecent92]

Except the 2007 Young Guitars for Arch Enemy, check out no.11

[InsideYoFeebleBrain]

@pantera1281

Haha, not on this one, dude.

[DJspin88988]

@pantera1281 what about John Petrucci's??

[Femicide09]

Definitely not just you. I was going to say that before I saw your comment. Sounds horrible.

[mightyzeus1987]

i have his guitar and i fuckin love it.

[panteraman44]

does the headstock look half decent?

[mightyzeus1987]

standard schecter headstock. badass

[mRtReMeLo]

It basically sounds like a diminished whole tone scale. Is that what this is? Sounds very useful.

[mariorachid]

is thwere a diminished whole tone? as far as i know there diminished and whole tone or heaxaphonic scale, and the vidoe sounds like whole tone

[PestVic]

yeah im sure its wholetone. didnt know you can do a diminished wholetone. i guess. hmm good thought

[wizardofmadness]

A major second is a wholetone. A minor second is a half tone and a diminished second (or wholetone) is unison.

[benjie616]

What does Atonal mean?

[silverkobra]

a scale that does not fit any of the diatonic scales, and does not have a tonal center

[benjie616]

Thanks xD

[krakhaid]

It means it uses so many chromatic notes it doesn't have a scale or a center note.

[TuonelanJoutsen616]

"tone" means a certain registry of note in which you play in.

the A before "tonal" means "without". So "atonal" means "without a precise tone".

[therox68]

With no specific key.

[PestVic]

its whole tone.

[Sudoke94]

out of the key centre

[PestVic]

whole tone

[FatSlim666]

shitty sound

[korinthios1000]

Reminds me Death and chuck scale or smthg.!

[catapei]

i didnt find it very clean on the beggining of the lick, but i like him anyway.

[WetFart8000]

No floyd rose? must be a prototype or something :P

[englundisgod]

no his design was specificallly created no floyd he says in one of the other vids it is offerred with a floyd there are two versions

[krankank]

Actually, the model with the TOM bridge has been discontinued... for the U.S market at least. I'm not sure how it is for the rest of the world.

[englundisgod]

no it is discontinued none here in canada either maybe ebay

[krankank]

Ahh, they don't fetch all that much money on ebay so it is something to consider.

[englundisgod]

possibly oh well

[XMetaLxManiacX]

nope..some of them are like that, my friend has the exact same one.

[Striker9233]

does anyone have the tab for this?

[pandy445]

just look for the born tab this is part of the solo

[mjonesy58]

you shouldnt need the tab, he plays it slowly

[guitar4evr30]

hes playing the notes of the diminished 5th interval through octaves

[Laiho60]

he plays it in the neck pickup?

[fedfyr]

Yes, I think he plays through the neck pickup. People almost always use the neck pickup for sweeps. It's hard to see in this video, though. But you can hear it, although his tone/setting is so sharp, that it almost sounds like bridge pickup :)

[supersax92]

hes just taking tri-tones and moving them over a string and up a fret everytime he completes a cycle

so basically

ITS HARD AS FUCK!!!!!!!!

till youve played it enough

then its not too bad

[1979canadian]

I have to agree, Rusty is wicked fast.....but who wants to listen to an 8 minute guitar solo? After 3 minutes of shreding it's boring

[ChildOFtheVoid]

can anyone tell me what atonal means? i'm kinda new to this... thnx

Loomis is

God

[followthereaper12345]

I was wondering the same thing, but I know that it's a type of melody that is meant to add tension.

kind of like how diminished chords get added into a chord progression to add tension...

now, don't ask me how to fret that ;)

[surfingdark2]

it means it doesnt have a tone centre.

[SoftShredding]

I think it means (correct me if I'm wrong), that its a scale that doesn't have a key signature. Not like C major or anything but all the notes in the riff aren't supposed to like meld together, very dissonant sounding. My explaining skills suck :D

[Alphantis]

its more of a broken chord. i cant explain for shit either. its a scale that he has changed around. haha

[brandon5pennies]

a broken chord is an arpeggio

[Alphantis]

i know, ive done piano for 7 years, i was saying the way the arpeggio is formed is not the standard arpeggio form its a broken chord arpeggio instead, read what i was replying to.

[espltd12]

Kind of indissernable note tones like you can't tell what the note is.

[nlo13]

this isn't really atonal. I'm hearing too much diminished I could pick out a tonal center

[Walls1441]

what about the augmented sections?

[viperabs]

Its diminished descending then whole tone ascending. Per 3 notes.

[DivebombJ]

I wouldn't exactly call it atonal. It sequences itself and has a tonal center.

[GutiarFag]

Yeah, its actually based around a broken diminished arpeggio. If you tab it out it almost fits perfectly into a diminished arpeggio. The second half of the lick (when he gets onto the high 3 strings) actually IS a diminished arp. but the first part is a broken arp.

[untitledundefined]

Well thats the idea! Its atonal, and a lick like this is applied to add tension to a section.

[rok420]

Well, I can't argue with that logic. It certainly IS atonal, and it would add tension to any piece of music that it was in...

Eh, still don't think it's a great lick, but I'm not going to go on about how shitty of a musician the guy is because of it.

And hey, thanks for being mature about responding to my comment instead of acting like some twelve year old fanboy.

[jd36]

writing something atonal wouldn't make you a shitty musician, if it's done purposefully. i find atonal stuff hard to write. if you do it accidently, that's never good...

[rok420]

Oh, I didn't mean to imply that I thought he was a shitty musician, it was only meant to be an example of how some comments just talk about how bad someone is at their chosen instrument because they play something that the commenter doesn't like.

He's got plenty of talent, but his style of playing just doesn't fit my tastes.

[bodomx61x]

loomis beats cooley but isk bout romeo

[GitarrPwnz]

lol no he doesn't. read loomis's comments on rusty's videos. he cant play like cooley can.

[goodfellatn]

Shit's insane. Look at his face, it's like he's watching bob ross painting about to fall asleep while he does that part...he's beyond great.

[mizoreXSymphony]

and loomis vs romeo?

[yootubematt]

Jeff Loomis VS Rusty Cooley.

Opinions?

[edgecrushers]

loomis for the fact that he has more variety in his playing styles... cooley generally sticks to pure speed..... usually... still great mind you... but yeah, as far as feeling goes loomis>cooley imo.

[tamboid12]

2 of my favorite players and 2 very original shredders, thats a tough one. Musically i'd have to go for Loomis but rusty always makes my jaw drop.

[6Vital6Remains6]

Are you serious? Neither are really completely 'original' original is like Allan Holdsworth or George Lynch. I love Loomis's playing, same with Rusty's.

[Joshplaysinstruments]

LOL George Lynch isn't original. He's a rip off of Eddie Van Halen.

[espChris93]

no way its the other way around

just kidding just kidding ... haha

[Violencedefined666]

Wow, thats a tough one, I gotta go with jeff but rusty never fails to amaze me.

[JonnEh243]

jeff, easily. he has much more diverse playing then rusty, but, rusty is a pretty amazing player

[GitarrPwnz]

I don't really think he's more diverse. I think the stuff on youtube is more diverse, but rusty is a jazz player, not a shredder. I'm pretty sure he plays shred because that's what he likes and is good at, but I'm pretty sure Nevermore's album's vs Rusty's, rusty covers a wider range of music.

[xelad1]

I love rusty and everything but how exactly is he a jazz player? He's not even what I would call fusion, he just uses some shawn lane and holdsworth licks in his metal playing.

[followthereaper12345]

nothing against rusty, because no one could teach anyone how to shred better than rusty, but loomis is 20x better of a MUSICIAN because he focuses on composition as a strength as oppose to just how fucking fast you can play.

rusty blows anyone away as far as speed goes, but if you listen to his solo album... it's compositional qualities are almost non existent.

[espChris93]

idk rusty's fast but i still dont know if hes the fastest, because you'd have to compare the excact same lick between two guitarists to see who played it faster. but in the end speed wont get you anywhere anyway without musicality which is why i prefer loomis too.

[danuu2]

Shawn Lane was probably a huge influence in that. Of course, Shawn played faster than anyone today can.

[Deconstrukt666]

i'm definitely not dissing shawn, i love his music, but tiago della vega is now officially the fastest. but you can hardly call it music lol

[danuu2]

That guy can't play a song other than "Flight Of The Bumblebee", therefore, he is negated.

[demigod325]

@danuu2 don't forget jason beckar i'm sure he did some crazy shit like this during rehearsals and before he became a mannequin :(

[TokaCola]

@danuu2  agreed

[ChaosAngel092]

@danuu2

Can't Buckethead beat him?

Just a question, It's not my intention to start a flamewar.

[TheWhocares233]

@ChaosAngel092 no. Not even rusty cooley can beat shawn lanes speed.

[acdcislaw]

@TheWhocares233 whats Shawn lanes fastest nps count?

[TheWhocares233]

@acdcislaw now, don't quote me on this but somewhere i heard he pulled off 28 nps alternate picking no sweeping or tapping. All i have to say about his speed is "drum and guitar solo shawn lane" just type that into youtube and looka t that solo XD its killer.

[espChris93]

@acdcislaw haha oh boy... music is music, its not about who has the highest NPS count. Come on seriously

[acdcislaw]

@espChris93 you seem to assume i was randomly basing who's better guitarist on NPS count, i was simply wondering what was lanes fastest, no it does not matter in way of music nor did i infer that it did.

[SaintNate1]

@danuu2 what are you smoking rusty cooley is so much faster than him hahaah

[espChris93]

@SaintNate1 not at all haha, when Rusty plays simple string skipping patterns he's still barely as fast as Lane when he's destroying licks at mach 1

[SaintNate1]

@espChris93 who is this lane you speak of

[espChris93]

@SaintNate1 idk if your being sarcastic but its Shawn Lane

[SaintNate1]

@espChris93 So, your telling me that michael romeo want to be is faster than rusty boy?

[espChris93]

@SaintNate1 speed doesnt matter anyway romeo is incredible theres no denying that but anyone that discredits shawn lane is a fucking idiot. But then again you'd be an idiot to try and compare and over analyze guitar players that just make music. its not a competition

[SaintNate1]

@espChris93 if it wasn't a competition every guitarist would all be paid the same ha. Idk, i haven't really looked into Shawn all to much to be quite honest. If you don't analyze music/musicians then it's kinda jsut nothing. But i do see what your saying, you can't really put them all together for a good comparison.

[espChris93]

@SaintNate1 so by those standards linkin park's guitar player is better than both Michael Romeo and Jeff Loomis because he is paid more... i definitly dont think so. Also what I mean by not comparing musicians is everyone views things differently. Of course this applies to music and everyone loves different kinds of music. Just because someone can play a note a second slightly fast than some other guitarist doesnt mean I want to hear his music. Whatever sounds good IS good.

[SaintNate1]

@espChris93 Mo, what i'm saying is, if there was no comp every guitarist would have the same income haha. And what is every is good is good. Doesn't seem right either.

[TheWhocares233]

@SaintNate1 You just called Shawn lane a michael remo want to be?....You might as well just admit you don't know what you are talking about...AT ALL

[SaintNate1]

@TheWhocares233 So, if i don't know about one guitarist i don't know anything about music and guitar ha alright ha. So, then your opinion people who don't know who muhammad suicmez they don't know anything about guitar. This new learning amazes me.

[TheWhocares233]

@SaintNate1 well, i wouldn't call muhamed suicmez a want to be. i would look him up first if i didn't know who he was to see how good he was.

[SaintNate1]

@TheWhocares233 Muhammad isn't a want a be at all he is da best hahah. Naw, i see what your saying though. I've only watch one vid of shawn guy

[TheWhocares233]

@SaintNate1 look up some of shawns technique videos... then look up some of his songs. He has the ultimate combination of technique,speed and melody

[LydianHarmony]

@danuu2 of course.... that's the least applicable comment I've seen in the last year.

[VMP007]

@danuu2 I don't know... Have you heard the new MAB's track "On The Double"?It has a part that is probably faster than everything.BTW Jeff kicks ass.

[SpaceEater1000]

@danuu2 Rusty Cooley, Francesco, Tiago?

[jonathanbenaroche]

@SpaceEater1000 took my words lol

[lukechalaudio]

@danuu2 i beg the differ check out della vega he is the fastest electric guitarist I know of

[metallica5252]

@lukechalaudio there's a difference between being fast and making music and being fast just to break speed records..

[lukechalaudio]

@metallica5252 I just provided a music theory explanation for what he is doing that's all.

[MarcusFenixtheMan]

@metallica5252 there's a difference between being not gay and you

[metallica5252]

@MarcusFenixtheMan no one asked you to chime in with your retarded immature comments you must be like 12..

[MarcusFenixtheMan]

@metallica5252 no one asked you to prove to us how gay you are with your retarded immature comments

[metallica5252]

@MarcusFenixtheMan nice you copied everything I said and repeated your old immature argument yet again to make yourself look like more like a retard on youtube, congrats!

[James0543]

@MarcusFenixtheMan someone's a homophobe?

[MarcusFenixtheMan]

@James0543 someone likes sucking big cock?

[James0543]

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[MarcusFenixtheMan]

@James0543 you be good or i'll sick young zangief on you for teh lulz

[xelad1]

Well I think Rusty had a lot of great moments on the Outworld debut album compositionally but I am a bigger fan of Loomis' playing. I do respect Rusty a lot for breaking out of the same old tired metal licks though and looking for inspiration from the jazz/fusion area.

[danuu2]

Atonality: Take all 12 notes (in this case) and play them in no particular order. Look up tone rows as well. I don't feel like explaining them over a YouTube comment box.

[oregonskateok]

That depends on the underlying harmony, I can play all 12 notes and be in C major.

[brandon5pennies]

shawn lane was much faster than rusty

[uli87]

guy should be stored away somewhere in a mental home. jesus

[Zorgorath]

No! This lick is defenitely used in "Born"! And it sounds amazingly good over the rhytm guitar of "Born"! The fact that it is atonal does not at all mean that it doesn't sound good!

[SunlessSkyGuitar]

I think it's pretty damn amazing to play atonal to begin with. It's harder than it seems.

[shredtasticbeest]

i sure have a rough time with it. ive found the better i learn to stick with traditional music theory, the better i can veer away from it at will

[guitarspectre]

isn't squeal dude, justta a bend...k

[iamrichlol]

That squeal at the end is so awesome

[arod1989]

Yes, this is in born, second to last lick in the solo.

[AnthonyParalikas]

Shit, I meant, is this in Born.

Double checking both, yeah, he does use this at the end of the solo.

[AnthonyParalikas]

Is this is Born?

[pattttttrick]

great great! That's what great atonal music sounds like!

[pattttttrick]

how*