The big problem is that if rape and incest didn't exist in the world you would still be "pro choice". You use rape/incest victims as pawns in your ignorant arguments for why it's okay to snuff out the heart beat of an innocent child. Now that's disgusting and cruel!
you may be for keeping abortion legal, you may be for making it illegal--but the sad thing is that politicians only use the issue to keep americans divided rather than united. the ones who say they're against it--they don't care either way. if their wife or sister is raped, that woman's getting an abortion no matter what the laws are. they're smart enough to appeal to the stupid and scared people who think god gives a flying f to help keep them in power, and the country divided.
JESUS SHOWED THIS YOUNG MAN HOW HE SPENDS TIME WITH EACH ABORTED BABY.AS HE SAID "woe unto the world for its offences"accept him while theres time of grace
He has "belief" in Roe vs. Wade. I have Knowledge in the developing & growing Human life that is a Fetus.
Strange non-existent entity it is, that has its own DNA & Blood Supply!
Strange to kill it because it hasn't grown up fully or is dependent on it's Mom. I guess everyone is born 100% fully adult & fully grown, independent of their Moms at day 1, no?
@Polisanity says: Strange non-existent entity it is, that has its own DNA & Blood Supply!
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Why are you people always screaming " It has its own DNA"? It is absolutely irrelevant in the realm of legal abortions. It Might have its own DNA, but its mom owns it. Its her personal and private property do with as she chooses. Its NOT yours!
@Polisanity A fetus is dependant on a woman as in, if it's removed, it won't survive. A born individual can survive and live its life, is the point. Someone other than the mother can care for a born child. A fetus needs the womb to incubate if it's going to continue to develop further. It has no mind, is only a potential person, and has no right to be in the womb. The functioning human being in whose body it's in chooses whether it stays or goes. Women arent mindless incubators.
@Polisanity "Baby born is dependent on some adult for food, warmth."
What the hell is your point? Did you not read my last post to you? See how I said exactly that? You missed the entire point of my statement, that a fetus is NOT a baby, and women are not obligated to incubate unwanted fertilizations against their wills. The issue of abortion is foremost an issue of human rights--women's rights to choose whether to breed or not, children's rights to be wanted, valued, cared for..
Fetus is not a baby? So does passing via a woman's vagina magically make it a baby? Does it become a baby automatically after 20 weeks, when it is viable?
Fetus, Baby, Toddler, Child, Teenager, Adult - they're names for the same Organism that grows continuously from Conception until Death.
@Polisanity A major fallacy perpetrated by the anti-choice is their interchangeable use of the word "person" with the terms "human", "humanity" or "human being". These terms are not synonymous. For example, anti-choicers often confuse the adjective "human" and the noun "human being," giving them the same meaning. I'm struck by the question they often pose to pro-choicers: "But isn't it human?" - as if we think a fetus is really a creature from outer space.
@Polisanity We all have our own opinions about what the moral status of the fetus might be. Some people believe a fertilized egg is a full human being with an absolute right to life that supercedes any right of the woman. Others believe that a fetus attains moral value only after it becomes viable, or upon birth. But that's all these beliefs are - opinions. There's no way to decide between them, because they're entirely subjective and emotional.
@Polisanity Therefore, the only opinion that counts is that of the pregnant woman. The status of her fetus and any moral value accorded to it is entirely her call. A fetus becomes a human being when the woman carrying it decides it does.
@FongioHELS Funny, since a Mother who dies with a viable fetus in her - well, when the "fetus" is taken out of her, it won't have a mommy to tell it when its a human being! Oh no! It will never be a human! Btw, viability begins at week 20, thanks to new advances in Science.
@Polisanity If you point out that a fetus consists of human tissue and DNA, anti-choicers triumphantly claim you just conceded it's a human being. Now, a flake of dandruff from my head is human, but it is not a human being, and in this sense, neither is a fertilized egg.
@Polisanity Anti-choicers will respond that a fertilized egg is not like dandruff, because the egg consists of a unique set of chromosomes that makes it a distinct human being. But with cloning, a cell from my dandruff is enough to create a new human being. Although it would have my identical genetic make-up, it would still be a unique individual, because human beings are much more than our genes.
A flake of Dandruff will never grow into a Human being, unless genetically manipulated beyond its nature.
A Fetus grows by it's own mechanisms, although it is dependent on oxygen & food from its mother, so are the vast majority of kids up to the age of probably 4 or 5.
@Polisanity a flake of my dandruff contains an entire set of my DNA. so with the appropriate technology, it has the potential to be a human being. again, potential does not make it so. a fetus is totally and completely reliant on the mother. a 4 or 5 year old child can be taken care of by any number of people, but a fetus is physically inside the mother.
@FongioHELS A flake of Dandruff requires extensive genetic manipulation to grow into a Human body. In fact, if Methylation of DNA sequences is permanent, its impossible.
I am Physically inside a House, that doesn't mean anything what you are inside of.
If a child was all alone on an island with its mother, it would then be fully reliant on its Mom
@Polisanity "I am Physically inside a House, that doesn't mean anything what you are inside of."
No matter where you are, you have been born, and now function as a developed human being. Of course it matters where a fetus is! As a non-viable life form, it cannot survive outside of the womb, soooooo, the whole issue is where the fetus is! Since it lives off a woman's body, and is not yet a being with rights, the person who owns that uterus has every right to decide what to do with it.
@loathedanabhorred@loathedanabhorred What about a 5 month old baby clinging to it's mothers breast. Or what about siamese twins. A patient inside a hospital doesn't mean the hospital management can kill the patient.
1) It has Brain development by week 9 gestation, so wrong. Also, we don't kill mentally retarded people who have no mind
2) A fetus needs its mother, so do most kids up to age 7 or 8
3) "not yet a being with rights" - not an argument, your restating the conclusion
@Polisanity What ABOUT a baby clinging to a breast? What about siamese twins? What makes you think hospital staff should be able to kill patients as long as women have human rights? What do any of these individuals, or anyone else who has been born, have to do with the topic of abortion? What about these people? What are you asking me?
@Polisanity "A fetus needs its mother, so do most kids up to age 7 or 8"
Duuuhh, born babies can be cared for by someone other than their mothers. A fetus lives off a woman's body. Meaning, if it is removed, it dies. Big difference. A non-viable fetus is physically attached and dependant on her survival. It has no right to be in that woman against her will. She has every right to remove it or continue incubating it. Her uterus belongs to her , not to you.
@loathedanabhorred What if everyone in the entire world refused to care for a 7 year old, does that entitle them to kill it too? I mean, it would have no one left to help it, just like a fetus has no one either.
@loathedanabhorred It's not a matter of understanding. You keep using the conclusion in your argument, which makes your argument circular. You can't say "the fetus is not yet a being with rights" to prove that it is not yet a being with rights.
Do you understand my friend? Its called begging the question.
@Polisanity a fetus grows because the mother allows it to do so. the only thing a fetus uses to grow are the air and food provided by the mother and those are the only functions it performs.
@Polisanity Also, both a fertilized egg and a cloned cell represent a potential, not an actual human being. It's a worn cliché, but it bears repeating - an acorn isn't an oak tree and the egg you had for breakfast isn't a chicken. So the only objective scientific fact we have is that fertilized eggs are human (the adjective) - not that they are human beings (the noun).
Acorn is the same organism as an Oak Tree. It hasn't grown into one yet. Like a newborn is a human, it just isn't an adult yet. No one classes acorns as different species
However, egg vs. Chicken example is flawed, with respect. If you mean unfertilized eggs that we fry into tasty omelets, then your example is irrelevant, being unfertilized (unlike a full zygote, 2n)
If however you mean a fertilized egg is not a chicken, then that is a circular argument; we're debating just that
@Polisanity i never said fetuses were a separate species. it's not like a think fetuses are creatures from outer space, they are just as 'human' as i am. although you could call a fetus a "potential person," a potential person cannot have personhood rights either, in the same way that a 6-year old cannot obtain a driver's license just because he's a potential 16-year old. Potential persons have only potential rights, not actual rights.
@FongioHELS Its not a potential person. Whats the difference between a 9 month old Fetus ready for birth & a baby born? Scientifically, materialistically, none.
Then the difference between 1, 2 , 3, 8, 9 months etc, is just a difference of growth. Much like how you were just as Human 9 months ago as a Newborn was 9 months ago.
An egg & sperm are not a human, because neither can ever grow into a Human. But combine them, 2n DNA, grow non-stop till death.
@Polisanity yes, i am saying that the human-ness of a fetus doesn't change. of course a sperm and egg are not a human (noun) but they are human (adjective)
@Polisanity "Its not a potential person. Whats the difference between a 9 month old Fetus ready for birth & a baby born? none."
Of course a fetus is a potential person! It is not yet a person, but if left to incubate, may become one. You should know this, it's very basic. You ask how is a 9 month old "fetus" different from a newborn?? Not sure if you're aware, but it's ready to be born at that stage! Abortions aren't legally carried out at that point.
@Polisanity "Abortions are legal upto any point in this country"
Laws differ according to location, but that is good to hear. I would never ever wait any longer than I possibly had to to have an abortion, but I know ppl who are not me, in circumstances I know nothing about, do different things than me, and I respect that.
@Polisanity "You still haven't defined when it becomes a human. Either it is a human, or it never is, because its just a continuum of growth."
Who said a human fetus was of any other species?? The point is that it is not a human being yet, and will not gain rights until it's born. The womb it's in belongs to a human being who has human rights and freedoms, is capable of making her most important life choices. Should you tell ppl what to do with their bodies, how to live their lives?
@Polisanity "Much like how you were just as Human 9 months ago as a Newborn was 9 months ago."
You're speaking to an adult. 9 months ago, this adult was, an adult. Concerning a newborn, 9 months previous it was an embryo. How are you not understanding this?
@Polisanity "Many Born individuals, like those w/risomy 18 don't survive on their own, you can't kill them"
Obviously, what is this in respnse to ?? Who said anything about killing someone who's been born? Because I sure didn't.. I was commenting on ABORTION, someone who's already born clearly can't be aborted, removed from the womb. Pull your head out of your rear, stay on topic.
@Polisanity "Fetus needs a womb, a child needs care givers."
Women are not mindless incubators, they are free to decide whether their fertilization is a blessing or a horrible mistake. They are not obligated to incubate a fetus against their wills, that they don't want, can't care for. Stop being selfish and try considering the rights of the ppl involved here rather than your own overemotional little reaction to this often needed procedure. Guess who suffers most when kids are unwanted???
@Polisanity "Actually its Neurological development begins at 10 weeks gestation. But mentally retarded people also have a right to live"
BEGINS at 10 weeks? Who cares? How about when it IS DEVELOPED? Which is at least twice that length of time...And who said anything about mentally retarded people not having rights? Because I sure didn't. You're making things up. Abortion has nothing to do with retarded people who HAVE BEEN BORN. How are you not understanding this??
@Polisanity And what ABOUT paralyzed young babies? What about them? What do they, or anyone else who has been born, have to do with women's rights to abort unwanted fertilizations? People have human rights for a reason, have control over their most personal property--their bodies, their organs, to the point where you cannot use someone's organs w/o their consent after their death. Yet you think women should be forced to give their uterus to something they don't want, can't or won't care for?
My friend was raped when she was 11 by her father he got her pregnant & forced her to carry the baby when she had it, it almost killed her it tore her up inside & she cant have kids anymore I'm pro choice rape is wrong & its even more wrong to shove ur goddamn beliefs down people's throat's by forcing them to have their rapists child is disgusting & cruel if they don't want to
Basically the pro-choice argument is The fetus isn't a person,but even it it were it doesn't matter because the woman's right to control her body is more important than the fetus's right to exist. The pro-life argument is that abortion is immoral and promotes immoral behavior BUT even if it doesn't the unborn babies RIGHT to exist temporarily outweighs the woman's right to absolute control of her body. So far I find the pro-life argument more compelling, But I'm still somewhat open minded.
@SDavidAndrew "Not making a decision casually does not make killing your child justifiable…"
No justification is required. Women's personal choices, their bodies, sex lives, and personal circumstances are nobody's business. This video is about abortion, not killing people, don't try to compare the two, it only makes you look dumb.
lmao He said "i am pro choice no pro abortion" he does no matter how you word it you still are ok&let women kill their kids with no punishment.Abortion&all those for it can go to hell. That being said abortion will never go away.Women have to much power&itsonly going 2 get worse.Iam soory to say this because i like that wome ahve rights but i thik women having rights has gone for the worse.Women control this world now because we let them take it.its over let them kill all the babies they want
~~~~~~~~~~ its a dmaned shame that your angry because the government will let us do things to our OWN bodies and our OWN fetuse...BUT... they wont let YOU have control of them???Lololol
@frosty7001 says: Women control this world now because we let them take it
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I see a jealous MAN, jealous of womens freedom to abort when they dont have HIS permission. Sounds like you have a touch of womb envy, frosty! Do you want to have babies like women do? is that why youre so obsessed withtis subject and so angry at women and their magnificant job of populating the earth?
@Sueezee2 Im jealous?No i has a girl friend kill my fucking bAby with out even telling me.Its such bull shit Women kill their own babies and yet nothing happnes to them. You want to use the argument of "its their body" ok well then lets make crack&meth legal if kids want to use it its their body why should they go to jail over it?Do you have kidsThen let them cut themselves&do drugs& plaz dont getmad its their body how dareyou say its wrong!THE ARGUMENT DOES NOT MAKE SNSE&YOU KNOW IT
I know why Christians oppose abortion. If there were no abortions then many of these unwanted babies would wind up in childrens homes where Christian clergy could sexually abuse them. We all know that happened before during the 20th century.
For anyone who says Pro-choice is pro-abortion. I suppose that means that if you believe in the right to bear arms, that your also pro-murder.I mean since if you give a guy a gun, he'll DEFINITELY in his ignorant state of mind choose to shoot anyone he thinks he has the right to.
News-flash people: MOST people for Pro-choice still want a strict time-table or WHEN an abortion can be done. Don't claim to understand the mind of a woman who aborts a baby. It's sickening.
"herp derp being pro-choice means you are pro-abortion and that means you love to kill babies in your spare time"
Put a fucking sock in it. Imagine giving a woman no control over her body, stuck with this fetus, not being able to support herself, let alone her future child and become impoverished and end up fucking over her life. Imagine having to look at the moment of your rape every second of your life, constantly reminded of that traumatic experience. Being pro-choice does not mean you enjo
Obama is Pro-choice, not proabortion?Well that means that he is pro abortion because he lets it happen.Which also happens to means he is ok with people killing babies that did nothing to deserve being killed.Pro choice?So you choose to kill?This is why i fucking hate liberals!Why dont women come out with the real reason for all of this?Its not about the baby or anything like that its all about women saying F U everybody for not having rights for a 100 years&they are willing tokill kids to do it
When he was asked "When does life begin?" his answer was "That's above my pay scale" So, either he does not have the education to determine the answer, or the financial resources.Or maybe, just maybe, that is his way of avoiding the most direct question regarding this issue So, this question is just begging to be asked. ---How can a man that says that he doesn't know when life begins, be an advocate to aborting a baby? Because if life truly begins at conception, then it really is murder.
Did you know that the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a devout racist who created the Negro Project designed to sterilize unknowing black women and others she deemed as undesirables of society? The founder of Planned Parenthood said, "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated."
what a MORON! Pro-Choice IS Pro-Abortion. Most women that have abortions do NOT wrestle with it, their consciences are seared, they just want to play, but not pay. They want to fuck, then reset for a buck. They just want to thrill and then make the kill.
It also be noted that it's foolishly high and mighty of people to say no to abortion when the alternatives aren't much better. The livelihood of children put on adoption by and large is horrible. And if a mother through her own mistake(or being victimized) becomes pregnant but has the baby anyway, is prone to not having the financial strength to care for the baby and assumes an unfortunate downward spiral for both parent and child.
@Lostbymydreams Not only that but as all these millions of extra unwanted babies could not get possibly get adopted the chances are tens of thousands of them would wind up in care homes. Many of these would be funded by charity and the people running them would be members of churches. I think the levels of physical and sexual abuse in them would be endemic. That`s what happened before when vunerable kids were placed in the "care" of the religious.
@crazyability That is fairly simple. It's a cold hearted choice steeped in simple logic. In some cases as Obama vaguely highlighted above. A women having an abortion is a health concern because if she takes the baby to term she could die. It's easy to preach the moralistic view that the mother should be willing to die to give birth. But it's a lot wiser for mothers to survive so that they may gain another chance at creating life.
@Sueezee1 Ok, so tell me then, how is it that taking the life of a human being with a beating heart, who can move, and think on it's own, is not murder?
@crazyability says: then, how is it that taking the life of a human being is not murder?
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Do you find it odd that YOU didnt tell ME how it IS murder? That would prove your right and you'd be the winner. Come on,show me the legal defintion of murder and how aboriton fits that defintion, THEN, tell me how & why the women, who supposidly committed murder, are not in prison for the crime. Bet you dont post to me again..lolol
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I couldn't have said it better! Women in general do need to continue taking into consideration the choice that they're making for a future child. However, in the early stages of pregnancy, the child is not yet an actual child! It doesn't have its own individual personality at all yet! And that, I think, is the basis of humanity. By having an abortion, I don't believe that you're being inhumane, but rather you might be doing the best thing depending on the situation you're in.So much to be said:P
@c00kiem0nster95 My problem with that is that there is a very good chance that the child will develop further and be born. And you are killing a living process and erasing that chance all together. Who are we to say that a certain child shouldn't have that chance to live?
@meer8 Who are you to say that a woman should have to carry out pregnancy, which carries tons of potential risk, for somebody else's life that she does not want?
Do you have to donate organs to save peoples' lives? Are you forced to donate blood to save peoples' lives?
@ImFlareonBitch I think a life > pain. Pregnancy and delivery is a very safe process these days. Statistical data show that barely more than 1% of abortions are done because the mother's life is in danger. That scenario is extremely rare and therefore should not carry any weight. No, but I have chosen to be an organ donor and a blood donor. Those arguments are fallacious and therefore not valid.
@Sueezee1 VERY few of them would die or not make it to birth these days. They all won't live, of course. But, because the vast majority would live, abortion should not take all of those lives because very few wouldn't live. Think about what you are saying. You are proposing that millons of babies should be killed because a few of them wouldn't make it anyway.
@meer8 says: VERY few of them would die or not make it to birth these days.
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WHAT??? That has NOTHING to do with my question which you conveniently DIDNT answer. YOU ask "us", who we are to say certain child shouldnt live (meaning being aborted), i respond with, who are YOU to say that all WILL live, and THAT is your response. Why dont you answer my question & stop ranting w/ somehting thats meant to get my mind OFF it?
@meer8 Not with my tax money. In the UK where I live we have way too many single mothers living on welfare benefits and their offspring usually wind up as serial criminals because most don`t have an adult male role model. Abortion should be encouraged for certain types of people by which I mean the underclass. No apologies for being politically incorrect about this.
@hmwm67 Do I sense a slippery slope? You can't link abortion to serial crime. You are saying that human life has no value because its economically inconvenient.
@meer8 Sorry but I don`t believe I should finance the degenerate lifestyles of the underclass, Abortion has no link to serial crime, in fact it allievates it by stopping many of these underclass criminal trash from being born in the first place. But I suppose my views offend your liberal sensabilities. Of course you are a young 20 something student..and your professors brainwash you into embracing every PC dogma under the sun! Wake up and smell the coffee!
Most people are prochoice for the right reasons -- women's individual freedom and liberty. Someone like you comes along and well, shit happens, but if yer a vote for pro choice, hexl aint gonna holler that much, elections are about numbers.
@Hexl702 I am very pro choice at least during the first trimester. I do think however by the time of late pregnancy unless there are health issues the woman has already had enough time to make up her mind. I believe the majority of women would agree with me on this point. But women who can`t afford to financally support their baby should be actively encouraged to abort. The religious "pro life" wingnuts are in no moral position to whine about it due to all these clerical child sex abuse scandals
@hmwm67 PC dogma? I'm not pro choice. I'm pro-life. There is absolutely zero evidence that suggests that unwanted pregnancies are linked to crime. That was my point. Don't act like the underclass are the only ones who have unwanted pregnancies. Sure, they do have unwanted pregnancies. But in my experience, the middle class are just as bad.
@meer8 The middle class teenagers tend to be more careful. My 16 year old neice has had a steady boyfriend for a year now and she is not pregnant. Every couple of months she and her boyfriend visit my town to see me and I put them both up in the spare bedroom in my apartment. The underclass are more likely to have their babies because it helps claim more welfare and they get free housing from the government. My middle class neice wants to finish school get a degree and a nice job. Clever girl.
@hmwm67 part 2 And members of the underclass raised in single parent households are most likely to drift into crime. So the less of them that exist, the lower our welfare costs and the lower the crime rates will be. Returning to my neice, she knows everything about contraceptives and is way too smart to get pregnant because she has had a steady decent middle class 2 parent upbringing.
@meer8 It's not a child yet. It doesn't have a life to live yet. And if the mother is unprepared, that life could be disastrous or even traumatic for the child although that's not highly likely. I don't support abortion in the cases where there isn't safe sex or there's just plain carelessness. However, in the off chance that a woman is raped or the father leaves or any other relative situation, if she isn't ready to handle it, that's no life to live. We are the essential hosts to decide.
GO PRO-LIFE ! PRO- LIFE Is About Making Abortion ILLEGAL ! "Every Child Deserves A LIFE" STOP Killing Innocent Babies That Never Even Sall Daylight ! YOU Should Start Being PRO-LIFE. If Your Reading This, Yo Momma Went PRO-LIFE ! ACT, BE, THINK, PRO-LIFE !
@Younggiesss My mother didn't go pro-life. She thought about her options (pro-choice) and decided that having me was what she wanted and what she was ready for.
LOL what a loser of a strategery --digging a rotted corpse out of her grave!
Hell, why arent you pulling this racist crap onto Sarah Weddington or Linda Coffey - I bet you dont even know who they are. They argued and won Roe. LOL if there was some
diabolical plot to "exterminate blacks" - it wasnt Sanger who made abortion legal,
they did!
Roe was nver the law in Sanger's lifetime, and she was actually ANTI abortion - y'all
Obama's arguments apply to all kinds of things where he *opposes* people carefully thinking out their own decisions regarding what affects them. Consider his opposition to gun rights (where people take resp. for self-defense) or Obamacare (where people can no longer shop around for the best health plan for them) or School Choice (Obama opposes private schools that offer parents a choice in something as important as education!)
It's the empty rhetoric of an insincere pro-abortion propagandist.
Obama defends late-term abortion for any reason by including the loophole "for the mother's health".
Now if the pregnancy needs to be terminated for medical reasons, birth can be induced and the child delivered. There's nothing gained from sticking a pair of scissors into its partially delivered body and sucking its brains out, as in PBA.
The very existence of late-term abortion proves the blood thirsty desire of abortions and evil women to kill even into the THIRD TRIMESTER.
@Hexl702 You'll admit Sanger is an embarrassment. Perhaps because you feel embarrassment at her backward notions and disproven anti-scientific notions, but mainly because it's she's no longer useful to your cause - except by whitewashing her views, as in any pro-abortion pamphlet where you're forced to mention the origins of the abortion movement. You'd rather not, but abortion is built on lies and you're happy to lionize her nonetheless.
@Hexl702 quit ur "clowning"..."We dont hate an entity on account of its bad beginnings, hell, we would have to hate
America herself because she began with killing Indians and slavery" Uh, no...Actually America started based on FREEDOM. If you had an ounce of education on the matter you would know that slavery is as old as time, and the ones who BEGAN SLAVERY, with regards to America, WERE THE AFRICANS THEMSELVES! Blacks traded blacks in, much like Obama is doing with Blacks...
LOLsilly - if you could read, you'd see I never said America invented slavery - i said
slavery was part of America's beginnings. Geo. Washington , the "father of our country" LOL more like " the owner of a hundred slaves". America didnt begin in freedom for blacks, did it?
You clucks are just ASKING for it, when ya'll compare abortion to slavery. So having a pro choice president, is pretty much the equivalent of having a slave owning president, eh?
And yet, Obama's pro-choice on almost no other issue - other than homogamy and abortion. He's anti-choice when it comes to everything else, so he obviously doesn't really believe in the principle of choice. Obama's using a nice sounding word like "pro-choice" to avoid the facts about abortion. This smug, hypocritical weasel doesn't even believe in his own label.
He's also happy than black women have 5 TIMES more abortions than whites. That must be a measure of how empowered they are, right?
lol Silly! Roe is the law of the land. Obama HAS to enforce the right to choose, he cant NOT do it. So did Bush 41 and Bush 43.
This crap about "Obama is happy about abortion " is your juvenile, infantile projection of your emotions onto him. But then, thats about all the proloafers have.
@Hexl702 Obama has been a speaker at Planned Parenthood, and spoke to them in glowing terms. PP is the #1 abortion provider and its clinics are overwhelmingly in minority and poor neighborhoods. See the blackgenocide website
Obama's use of "pro-choice" functions to substitute for facts, since he's anti-choice on almost every issue: A sleazy hypocrite who exploits others' respect for an American-sounding ideal of "choice" to cover the reality of abortion. He doesn't apply it elsewhere.
lol SILLY -- 63% of clinics s are in WHITE neighborhoods. Only some 9% are in so called black neighborhoods, and some 12% in Hispanic and 15% in mixed.
You guys have to lie and play the RACE card because you're desperate.
lol, putting whites on the defensive for black behavior -- on any realm besides abortion,
Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned parenthood was quoted writing, "“The minister’s work is also important, and also he should be trained, perhaps by the Federation, as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea" She was talking about black ministers....Obama is such a minister...sad
@xcolompapi ""we do not want the word to go out"""
LOL not THIS crap again! When you hate her, nothing's too ugly to accuse her of,eh?
Hell, it could mean she simply didnt want to be misunderstood. She thought birth control would be beneficial for black women, seeing how they died in childbirth at higher rates than whites at the time. If she could curtail that,
it wold be a good thing.
She thought other blacks could tell them better than she could. Whats wrong with that?
A white woman was a racist in 1916 -- WHO, which one, could you be a little more
GENERAL, please? lol
If Sanger was this big fat giant racist - having a black president and black woman in charge of her organization would really PISS HER OFF, wouldn't it? I think
@Hexl702 "Women dont get abortions for "group" reaons, silly!" You're right...pro-abort women get abortions, with silly reasons, from a "group"...LOL
The worst for of racism, against blacks, is to kill them....I never heard of anyone dying from the N-word...This is black on black violence....Mother on child violence...
How come there's never been a black president of Natl Right to Lite, or The American Lite League? Are they a bunch of bigots ? White leadership, all of them, white
@Hexl702 and how come you can't answer a simple question? But anyway, to address your ignorance Rev Childress, Walter Hoye, and many others including Alveda King are head of organizations in support of the black community, and defending it's children...See, even if you were hypothetically speaking, right that it was only white leaders, it still would not matter, because your ideology comes directly from the KKK and nazis...Pro-life ideology does not turn a profit killing children =)
@xcolompapi says: there is evidence that abortion was a product of eugenics, in this country....
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LOl, legal abortion took place in this country (US) in the days of the pilgrims, and there was no desire for eugenics. But, that was great propaganda!!
@Hexl702 Yeah you're right...it won't resonate but only with the paranoid "whitey-preaching" black racists out there...the majority of the educated ones will consider the words....They're not stupid, right? Ok, then...Let them see the stats for themselves...So because I love blacks and all ethnicities, that I don't want their numbers low or I don't want to see them dead...THAT makes me a "racist"!!???? HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! BTW I am a minority myself..LMBO!!!!!
@Hexl702 "LOL silly --Your post says ""Black women are STUPID. Too stupid to see theyve been manipulated. Its up to WHITE people to set em straight." really? When did I write that? or are you that paranoid that anyone who disagrees with your idiocy is a "whitey"??? Based on skin color you stereotype??? You racist....You're making us look bad...Just hush. This is why "whitey" thinks we're stupid....
Abortion is not murder. How about quality of life/rights? You have an abortion because you cannot and will not RUIN lives(Your own, and every other person on the planet bc its another unwanted mouth to feed). I bet you anti-abortion people do not want to help pay for food stamps, care for an unwanted child, you eat meat, and are FOR the death penalty. The day a fetus can walk around on its own, able to contribute to society the way a full grown woman can, I'll weigh it as competition as you do.
@somethought "I bet you anti-abortion people do not want to help pay for food stamps, care for an unwanted child, you eat meat, and are FOR the death penalty" Do that, do that, do that, (why not? I ain't no tree-hugging hippie!), and the last one is just an ignorant stereotype....If you are not carrying a baby in the womb, then you are NOT pregnant either....What is the need to make abortion "rare" if it is in FACT not a baby you carry???? Lotta things that make no sense...
@Hexl702 this "tactic" is designed to show the failed argument that, "because it is a difficult decision, etc it should be left up to the women and no one else should judge her". Simply because something is a difficult choice does not make the decision right. Personally I prefer to focus on what the baby is in debates though; if it is a person than abortion is murder, if it isn't then pro-lifers should get a life and leave others alone.
I'm pro-choice, not pro rape. And the reason I say this is, I don't believe the man enters into this decision lightly. We don't know all that he is going through when making this decision and how difficult it is. So while I personally would not choose to rape, I can respect the choice of other to do so. I think we should be focused on simply reducing unwanted sexual encounters by providing resources and other options to men faced with this decision.
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The big problem is that if rape and incest didn't exist in the world you would still be "pro choice". You use rape/incest victims as pawns in your ignorant arguments for why it's okay to snuff out the heart beat of an innocent child. Now that's disgusting and cruel!
TJETROCKET 2 days ago
Obama can talk. But he can't walk.
blueshorts1222 4 days ago
you may be for keeping abortion legal, you may be for making it illegal--but the sad thing is that politicians only use the issue to keep americans divided rather than united. the ones who say they're against it--they don't care either way. if their wife or sister is raped, that woman's getting an abortion no matter what the laws are. they're smart enough to appeal to the stupid and scared people who think god gives a flying f to help keep them in power, and the country divided.
AMC2283 5 days ago
JESUS SHOWED THIS YOUNG MAN HOW HE SPENDS TIME WITH EACH ABORTED BABY.AS HE SAID "woe unto the world for its offences"accept him while theres time of grace
IdigAponyONtheROOF 1 week ago
He has "belief" in Roe vs. Wade. I have Knowledge in the developing & growing Human life that is a Fetus.
Strange non-existent entity it is, that has its own DNA & Blood Supply!
Strange to kill it because it hasn't grown up fully or is dependent on it's Mom. I guess everyone is born 100% fully adult & fully grown, independent of their Moms at day 1, no?
Polisanity 1 week ago
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@Polisanity says: Strange non-existent entity it is, that has its own DNA & Blood Supply!
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Why are you people always screaming " It has its own DNA"? It is absolutely irrelevant in the realm of legal abortions. It Might have its own DNA, but its mom owns it. Its her personal and private property do with as she chooses. Its NOT yours!
Sueezee2 6 days ago
@Polisanity A fetus is dependant on a woman as in, if it's removed, it won't survive. A born individual can survive and live its life, is the point. Someone other than the mother can care for a born child. A fetus needs the womb to incubate if it's going to continue to develop further. It has no mind, is only a potential person, and has no right to be in the womb. The functioning human being in whose body it's in chooses whether it stays or goes. Women arent mindless incubators.
loathedanabhorred 5 days ago
@loathedanabhorred
1) A Baby born is dependent on some adult for food, warmth.
2) Many Born individuals, like those w/risomy 18 (Santorum's 3-yr old daughter) don't survive on their own, you can't kill them
3) A Fetus needs a womb, a child needs care givers. Point?
4) Actually its Neurological development begins at 10 weeks gestation. But mentally retarded people also have a right to live
5) What about paralyzed, young babies, etc.
6) Women aren't mindless incubators, who said they were?
Polisanity 5 days ago
@Polisanity "Baby born is dependent on some adult for food, warmth."
What the hell is your point? Did you not read my last post to you? See how I said exactly that? You missed the entire point of my statement, that a fetus is NOT a baby, and women are not obligated to incubate unwanted fertilizations against their wills. The issue of abortion is foremost an issue of human rights--women's rights to choose whether to breed or not, children's rights to be wanted, valued, cared for..
loathedanabhorred 5 days ago
@loathedanabhorred
Fetus is not a baby? So does passing via a woman's vagina magically make it a baby? Does it become a baby automatically after 20 weeks, when it is viable?
Fetus, Baby, Toddler, Child, Teenager, Adult - they're names for the same Organism that grows continuously from Conception until Death.
Polisanity 5 days ago
@Polisanity A major fallacy perpetrated by the anti-choice is their interchangeable use of the word "person" with the terms "human", "humanity" or "human being". These terms are not synonymous. For example, anti-choicers often confuse the adjective "human" and the noun "human being," giving them the same meaning. I'm struck by the question they often pose to pro-choicers: "But isn't it human?" - as if we think a fetus is really a creature from outer space.
FongioHELS 3 days ago
@FongioHELS So then when does it become a human? When it passes via the vagina? Thats magical!
Or you can be scientific, and observe its continuous growth from Conception to Death, so it must be the same living organism.
Polisanity 1 day ago
@Polisanity We all have our own opinions about what the moral status of the fetus might be. Some people believe a fertilized egg is a full human being with an absolute right to life that supercedes any right of the woman. Others believe that a fetus attains moral value only after it becomes viable, or upon birth. But that's all these beliefs are - opinions. There's no way to decide between them, because they're entirely subjective and emotional.
FongioHELS 1 day ago
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@FongioHELS I'm sorry you think that way.
Polisanity 21 hours ago
@Polisanity Therefore, the only opinion that counts is that of the pregnant woman. The status of her fetus and any moral value accorded to it is entirely her call. A fetus becomes a human being when the woman carrying it decides it does.
FongioHELS 1 day ago
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@FongioHELS Funny, since a Mother who dies with a viable fetus in her - well, when the "fetus" is taken out of her, it won't have a mommy to tell it when its a human being! Oh no! It will never be a human! Btw, viability begins at week 20, thanks to new advances in Science.
Polisanity 21 hours ago
@Polisanity If you point out that a fetus consists of human tissue and DNA, anti-choicers triumphantly claim you just conceded it's a human being. Now, a flake of dandruff from my head is human, but it is not a human being, and in this sense, neither is a fertilized egg.
FongioHELS 3 days ago
@Polisanity Anti-choicers will respond that a fertilized egg is not like dandruff, because the egg consists of a unique set of chromosomes that makes it a distinct human being. But with cloning, a cell from my dandruff is enough to create a new human being. Although it would have my identical genetic make-up, it would still be a unique individual, because human beings are much more than our genes.
FongioHELS 3 days ago
@FongioHELS
A flake of Dandruff will never grow into a Human being, unless genetically manipulated beyond its nature.
A Fetus grows by it's own mechanisms, although it is dependent on oxygen & food from its mother, so are the vast majority of kids up to the age of probably 4 or 5.
Polisanity 3 days ago
@Polisanity a flake of my dandruff contains an entire set of my DNA. so with the appropriate technology, it has the potential to be a human being. again, potential does not make it so. a fetus is totally and completely reliant on the mother. a 4 or 5 year old child can be taken care of by any number of people, but a fetus is physically inside the mother.
FongioHELS 3 days ago
@FongioHELS A flake of Dandruff requires extensive genetic manipulation to grow into a Human body. In fact, if Methylation of DNA sequences is permanent, its impossible.
I am Physically inside a House, that doesn't mean anything what you are inside of.
If a child was all alone on an island with its mother, it would then be fully reliant on its Mom
Polisanity 2 days ago
@Polisanity "I am Physically inside a House, that doesn't mean anything what you are inside of."
No matter where you are, you have been born, and now function as a developed human being. Of course it matters where a fetus is! As a non-viable life form, it cannot survive outside of the womb, soooooo, the whole issue is where the fetus is! Since it lives off a woman's body, and is not yet a being with rights, the person who owns that uterus has every right to decide what to do with it.
loathedanabhorred 1 day ago
@loathedanabhorred @loathedanabhorred What about a 5 month old baby clinging to it's mothers breast. Or what about siamese twins. A patient inside a hospital doesn't mean the hospital management can kill the patient.
1) It has Brain development by week 9 gestation, so wrong. Also, we don't kill mentally retarded people who have no mind
2) A fetus needs its mother, so do most kids up to age 7 or 8
3) "not yet a being with rights" - not an argument, your restating the conclusion
Polisanity 1 day ago
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@Polisanity """A fetus needs its mother"'
Hell its a lot more than that - it is literally NOTHING apart from the woman , it wouldnt last
3 or 4 minutes apart from her. You cant make that equivilance between any other two people. Fetuses ARE different, and its not illogical
to treat different things differently.
Hexl702 1 day ago
@Polisanity What ABOUT a baby clinging to a breast? What about siamese twins? What makes you think hospital staff should be able to kill patients as long as women have human rights? What do any of these individuals, or anyone else who has been born, have to do with the topic of abortion? What about these people? What are you asking me?
loathedanabhorred 1 day ago
@Polisanity "A fetus needs its mother, so do most kids up to age 7 or 8"
Duuuhh, born babies can be cared for by someone other than their mothers. A fetus lives off a woman's body. Meaning, if it is removed, it dies. Big difference. A non-viable fetus is physically attached and dependant on her survival. It has no right to be in that woman against her will. She has every right to remove it or continue incubating it. Her uterus belongs to her , not to you.
loathedanabhorred 1 day ago
@loathedanabhorred What if everyone in the entire world refused to care for a 7 year old, does that entitle them to kill it too? I mean, it would have no one left to help it, just like a fetus has no one either.
Polisanity 1 day ago
@Polisanity ""not yet a being with rights" - not an argument, your restating the conclusion"
"Restating" what "conclusion?" What don't you understand now??
loathedanabhorred 1 day ago
@loathedanabhorred It's not a matter of understanding. You keep using the conclusion in your argument, which makes your argument circular. You can't say "the fetus is not yet a being with rights" to prove that it is not yet a being with rights.
Do you understand my friend? Its called begging the question.
Polisanity 1 day ago
@Polisanity a fetus grows because the mother allows it to do so. the only thing a fetus uses to grow are the air and food provided by the mother and those are the only functions it performs.
FongioHELS 3 days ago
@Polisanity Also, both a fertilized egg and a cloned cell represent a potential, not an actual human being. It's a worn cliché, but it bears repeating - an acorn isn't an oak tree and the egg you had for breakfast isn't a chicken. So the only objective scientific fact we have is that fertilized eggs are human (the adjective) - not that they are human beings (the noun).
FongioHELS 3 days ago
@FongioHELS
Acorn is the same organism as an Oak Tree. It hasn't grown into one yet. Like a newborn is a human, it just isn't an adult yet. No one classes acorns as different species
However, egg vs. Chicken example is flawed, with respect. If you mean unfertilized eggs that we fry into tasty omelets, then your example is irrelevant, being unfertilized (unlike a full zygote, 2n)
If however you mean a fertilized egg is not a chicken, then that is a circular argument; we're debating just that
Polisanity 3 days ago
@Polisanity i never said fetuses were a separate species. it's not like a think fetuses are creatures from outer space, they are just as 'human' as i am. although you could call a fetus a "potential person," a potential person cannot have personhood rights either, in the same way that a 6-year old cannot obtain a driver's license just because he's a potential 16-year old. Potential persons have only potential rights, not actual rights.
FongioHELS 3 days ago
@FongioHELS Its not a potential person. Whats the difference between a 9 month old Fetus ready for birth & a baby born? Scientifically, materialistically, none.
Then the difference between 1, 2 , 3, 8, 9 months etc, is just a difference of growth. Much like how you were just as Human 9 months ago as a Newborn was 9 months ago.
An egg & sperm are not a human, because neither can ever grow into a Human. But combine them, 2n DNA, grow non-stop till death.
Polisanity 2 days ago
@Polisanity yes, i am saying that the human-ness of a fetus doesn't change. of course a sperm and egg are not a human (noun) but they are human (adjective)
FongioHELS 2 days ago
@Polisanity "Its not a potential person. Whats the difference between a 9 month old Fetus ready for birth & a baby born? none."
Of course a fetus is a potential person! It is not yet a person, but if left to incubate, may become one. You should know this, it's very basic. You ask how is a 9 month old "fetus" different from a newborn?? Not sure if you're aware, but it's ready to be born at that stage! Abortions aren't legally carried out at that point.
loathedanabhorred 1 day ago
@loathedanabhorred
1) Abortions are legal upto any point in this country
2) You still haven't defined when it becomes a human. Either it is a human, or it never is, because its just a continuum of growth.
Polisanity 1 day ago
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@Polisanity "Abortions are legal upto any point in this country"
Laws differ according to location, but that is good to hear. I would never ever wait any longer than I possibly had to to have an abortion, but I know ppl who are not me, in circumstances I know nothing about, do different things than me, and I respect that.
loathedanabhorred 1 day ago
@Polisanity "You still haven't defined when it becomes a human. Either it is a human, or it never is, because its just a continuum of growth."
Who said a human fetus was of any other species?? The point is that it is not a human being yet, and will not gain rights until it's born. The womb it's in belongs to a human being who has human rights and freedoms, is capable of making her most important life choices. Should you tell ppl what to do with their bodies, how to live their lives?
loathedanabhorred 1 day ago
@loathedanabhorred thats what we do to murderers. We tell them not to use their bodies (their hands, specifically) to murder people
Polisanity 1 day ago
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@Polisanity "Much like how you were just as Human 9 months ago as a Newborn was 9 months ago."
You're speaking to an adult. 9 months ago, this adult was, an adult. Concerning a newborn, 9 months previous it was an embryo. How are you not understanding this?
loathedanabhorred 1 day ago
@loathedanabhorred i totally agree. well said.
FongioHELS 3 days ago
@Polisanity "Many Born individuals, like those w/risomy 18 don't survive on their own, you can't kill them"
Obviously, what is this in respnse to ?? Who said anything about killing someone who's been born? Because I sure didn't.. I was commenting on ABORTION, someone who's already born clearly can't be aborted, removed from the womb. Pull your head out of your rear, stay on topic.
loathedanabhorred 5 days ago
@Polisanity "Fetus needs a womb, a child needs care givers."
Women are not mindless incubators, they are free to decide whether their fertilization is a blessing or a horrible mistake. They are not obligated to incubate a fetus against their wills, that they don't want, can't care for. Stop being selfish and try considering the rights of the ppl involved here rather than your own overemotional little reaction to this often needed procedure. Guess who suffers most when kids are unwanted???
loathedanabhorred 5 days ago
@Polisanity "Actually its Neurological development begins at 10 weeks gestation. But mentally retarded people also have a right to live"
BEGINS at 10 weeks? Who cares? How about when it IS DEVELOPED? Which is at least twice that length of time...And who said anything about mentally retarded people not having rights? Because I sure didn't. You're making things up. Abortion has nothing to do with retarded people who HAVE BEEN BORN. How are you not understanding this??
loathedanabhorred 5 days ago
@Polisanity And what ABOUT paralyzed young babies? What about them? What do they, or anyone else who has been born, have to do with women's rights to abort unwanted fertilizations? People have human rights for a reason, have control over their most personal property--their bodies, their organs, to the point where you cannot use someone's organs w/o their consent after their death. Yet you think women should be forced to give their uterus to something they don't want, can't or won't care for?
loathedanabhorred 5 days ago
Your not killing the child, it isn't even developed yet.
jsibify 1 week ago
@jsibify Neither is a baby born. When exactly can we kill a human organism, considering it grows continuous from Zygote to 18 years from birth?
Polisanity 1 week ago
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@Polisanity says: When exactly can we kill a human organism, considering it grows continuous from Zygote to 18 years from birth?
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Sueezee2 6 days ago
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@Polisanity "When exactly can we kill a human organism, considering it grows continuous from Zygote to 18 years from birth?"
Before it starts its life, pretty straight forward. Before it's a being. The earlier the better. The laws differ depending on where you live.
loathedanabhorred 5 days ago
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My friend was raped when she was 11 by her father he got her pregnant & forced her to carry the baby when she had it, it almost killed her it tore her up inside & she cant have kids anymore I'm pro choice rape is wrong & its even more wrong to shove ur goddamn beliefs down people's throat's by forcing them to have their rapists child is disgusting & cruel if they don't want to
sk8terdiva 1 week ago
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Basically the pro-choice argument is The fetus isn't a person,but even it it were it doesn't matter because the woman's right to control her body is more important than the fetus's right to exist. The pro-life argument is that abortion is immoral and promotes immoral behavior BUT even if it doesn't the unborn babies RIGHT to exist temporarily outweighs the woman's right to absolute control of her body. So far I find the pro-life argument more compelling, But I'm still somewhat open minded.
sobriquet1999 1 week ago
Not making a decision casually does not make killing your child justifiable…
SDavidAndrew 1 week ago
@SDavidAndrew Just calculated & cold.
Polisanity 1 week ago
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@SDavidAndrew "Not making a decision casually does not make killing your child justifiable…"
No justification is required. Women's personal choices, their bodies, sex lives, and personal circumstances are nobody's business. This video is about abortion, not killing people, don't try to compare the two, it only makes you look dumb.
loathedanabhorred 5 days ago
lmao He said "i am pro choice no pro abortion" he does no matter how you word it you still are ok&let women kill their kids with no punishment.Abortion&all those for it can go to hell. That being said abortion will never go away.Women have to much power&itsonly going 2 get worse.Iam soory to say this because i like that wome ahve rights but i thik women having rights has gone for the worse.Women control this world now because we let them take it.its over let them kill all the babies they want
frosty7001 2 weeks ago
@frosty7001 says: let them kill all the babies they want
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We always have.
Sueezee2 1 week ago
@frosty7001 says: Women have to much power
~~~~~~~~~~ its a dmaned shame that your angry because the government will let us do things to our OWN bodies and our OWN fetuse...BUT... they wont let YOU have control of them???Lololol
Sueezee2 1 week ago
@frosty7001 says: Women control this world now because we let them take it
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I see a jealous MAN, jealous of womens freedom to abort when they dont have HIS permission. Sounds like you have a touch of womb envy, frosty! Do you want to have babies like women do? is that why youre so obsessed withtis subject and so angry at women and their magnificant job of populating the earth?
Sueezee2 1 week ago
@Sueezee2 Im jealous?No i has a girl friend kill my fucking bAby with out even telling me.Its such bull shit Women kill their own babies and yet nothing happnes to them. You want to use the argument of "its their body" ok well then lets make crack&meth legal if kids want to use it its their body why should they go to jail over it?Do you have kidsThen let them cut themselves&do drugs& plaz dont getmad its their body how dareyou say its wrong!THE ARGUMENT DOES NOT MAKE SNSE&YOU KNOW IT
frosty7001 1 week ago
he said inserted...lol
Indogyearsimdead 2 weeks ago
Well said.
iamghostwalrus 2 weeks ago
Amen to this.
musicalfreak1212 2 weeks ago
Thanks Obama. This is a good one. :)
tw16mock 2 weeks ago
Thanks Obama. This is a good one.
tw16mock 2 weeks ago
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tw16mock 2 weeks ago
I know why Christians oppose abortion. If there were no abortions then many of these unwanted babies would wind up in childrens homes where Christian clergy could sexually abuse them. We all know that happened before during the 20th century.
hmwm67 2 weeks ago
Thank you Obama! :)
46JacobyGirl 2 weeks ago
I like how the liberals all for abortion are the same people who attack prenant women for smoking lol
RunNeonTigerTK 2 weeks ago
For anyone who says Pro-choice is pro-abortion. I suppose that means that if you believe in the right to bear arms, that your also pro-murder.I mean since if you give a guy a gun, he'll DEFINITELY in his ignorant state of mind choose to shoot anyone he thinks he has the right to.
News-flash people: MOST people for Pro-choice still want a strict time-table or WHEN an abortion can be done. Don't claim to understand the mind of a woman who aborts a baby. It's sickening.
Lostbymydreams 3 weeks ago
Well said. Planned Parenthood would be proud!
Martinguyification2 3 weeks ago
way to go obama! he is respecting christians opinions while sharing his own .... pro choice = giving a woman a right to her uterus....
lovelaughxx1 3 weeks ago
"herp derp being pro-choice means you are pro-abortion and that means you love to kill babies in your spare time"
Put a fucking sock in it. Imagine giving a woman no control over her body, stuck with this fetus, not being able to support herself, let alone her future child and become impoverished and end up fucking over her life. Imagine having to look at the moment of your rape every second of your life, constantly reminded of that traumatic experience. Being pro-choice does not mean you enjo
AJThePwnapple 3 weeks ago
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Obama is Pro-choice, not proabortion?Well that means that he is pro abortion because he lets it happen.Which also happens to means he is ok with people killing babies that did nothing to deserve being killed.Pro choice?So you choose to kill?This is why i fucking hate liberals!Why dont women come out with the real reason for all of this?Its not about the baby or anything like that its all about women saying F U everybody for not having rights for a 100 years&they are willing tokill kids to do it
frosty7001 3 weeks ago
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frosty7001 3 weeks ago
When he was asked "When does life begin?" his answer was "That's above my pay scale" So, either he does not have the education to determine the answer, or the financial resources.Or maybe, just maybe, that is his way of avoiding the most direct question regarding this issue So, this question is just begging to be asked. ---How can a man that says that he doesn't know when life begins, be an advocate to aborting a baby? Because if life truly begins at conception, then it really is murder.
setatliberty 3 weeks ago
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Did you know that the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a devout racist who created the Negro Project designed to sterilize unknowing black women and others she deemed as undesirables of society? The founder of Planned Parenthood said, "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated."
BarbieBoy1997 3 weeks ago
what a MORON! Pro-Choice IS Pro-Abortion. Most women that have abortions do NOT wrestle with it, their consciences are seared, they just want to play, but not pay. They want to fuck, then reset for a buck. They just want to thrill and then make the kill.
BarbieBoy1997 3 weeks ago
It also be noted that it's foolishly high and mighty of people to say no to abortion when the alternatives aren't much better. The livelihood of children put on adoption by and large is horrible. And if a mother through her own mistake(or being victimized) becomes pregnant but has the baby anyway, is prone to not having the financial strength to care for the baby and assumes an unfortunate downward spiral for both parent and child.
Lostbymydreams 4 weeks ago
@Lostbymydreams Not only that but as all these millions of extra unwanted babies could not get possibly get adopted the chances are tens of thousands of them would wind up in care homes. Many of these would be funded by charity and the people running them would be members of churches. I think the levels of physical and sexual abuse in them would be endemic. That`s what happened before when vunerable kids were placed in the "care" of the religious.
hmwm67 4 weeks ago
@crazyability That is fairly simple. It's a cold hearted choice steeped in simple logic. In some cases as Obama vaguely highlighted above. A women having an abortion is a health concern because if she takes the baby to term she could die. It's easy to preach the moralistic view that the mother should be willing to die to give birth. But it's a lot wiser for mothers to survive so that they may gain another chance at creating life.
Lostbymydreams 4 weeks ago
It doesn't matter how a woman comes to decide to take her child's life, it's murder no matter what the circumstance.
crazyability 1 month ago
@crazyability
murder = "The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another".
as long as abortion is legal it cannot be called 'murder'.
Droidek74415 1 month ago
@crazyability
We KNOW -- y'all think abortion is murder. But as along as you dont actually TREAT
it like murder ( with arrest, trial , and prison) ,
all is copacetic.
Hexl702 1 month ago
@crazyability says: it's murder no matter what the circumstance
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Keep LYING, prochoice never wants you to be taken seriously. Good job
Sueezee1 1 month ago
@Sueezee1 Ok, so tell me then, how is it that taking the life of a human being with a beating heart, who can move, and think on it's own, is not murder?
crazyability 4 weeks ago
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@crazyability says: then, how is it that taking the life of a human being is not murder?
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Do you find it odd that YOU didnt tell ME how it IS murder? That would prove your right and you'd be the winner. Come on,show me the legal defintion of murder and how aboriton fits that defintion, THEN, tell me how & why the women, who supposidly committed murder, are not in prison for the crime. Bet you dont post to me again..lolol
Sueezee1 4 weeks ago
IF you guys are interested in this stuff have a look at my blog its all about pro-life/pro-choice, scientology, and politics in general! at lifeandpoliticsamerica.blogspot.com
herekamp1997 1 month ago
I couldn't have said it better! Women in general do need to continue taking into consideration the choice that they're making for a future child. However, in the early stages of pregnancy, the child is not yet an actual child! It doesn't have its own individual personality at all yet! And that, I think, is the basis of humanity. By having an abortion, I don't believe that you're being inhumane, but rather you might be doing the best thing depending on the situation you're in.So much to be said:P
c00kiem0nster95 1 month ago
@c00kiem0nster95 My problem with that is that there is a very good chance that the child will develop further and be born. And you are killing a living process and erasing that chance all together. Who are we to say that a certain child shouldn't have that chance to live?
meer8 1 month ago
@meer8 Who are you to say that a woman should have to carry out pregnancy, which carries tons of potential risk, for somebody else's life that she does not want?
Do you have to donate organs to save peoples' lives? Are you forced to donate blood to save peoples' lives?
ImFlareonBitch 1 month ago
@ImFlareonBitch I think a life > pain. Pregnancy and delivery is a very safe process these days. Statistical data show that barely more than 1% of abortions are done because the mother's life is in danger. That scenario is extremely rare and therefore should not carry any weight. No, but I have chosen to be an organ donor and a blood donor. Those arguments are fallacious and therefore not valid.
meer8 1 month ago
@ImFlareonBitch And might I add, delivery can be virtually painless in most cases today.
meer8 1 month ago
@meer8 says: Who are we to say that a certain child shouldn't have that chance to live?
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And, who the hell are YOU to say they all WILL live???
Sueezee1 1 month ago
@Sueezee1 VERY few of them would die or not make it to birth these days. They all won't live, of course. But, because the vast majority would live, abortion should not take all of those lives because very few wouldn't live. Think about what you are saying. You are proposing that millons of babies should be killed because a few of them wouldn't make it anyway.
meer8 1 month ago
@meer8 says: VERY few of them would die or not make it to birth these days.
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WHAT??? That has NOTHING to do with my question which you conveniently DIDNT answer. YOU ask "us", who we are to say certain child shouldnt live (meaning being aborted), i respond with, who are YOU to say that all WILL live, and THAT is your response. Why dont you answer my question & stop ranting w/ somehting thats meant to get my mind OFF it?
Sueezee1 4 weeks ago
@Sueezee1 How about you stop ranting and reread what I said. I did answer your question. No, ALL unborn babies won't make it, but the majority will.
meer8 4 weeks ago
@meer8 says: No, ALL unborn babies won't make it, but the majority will.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ LOl, the insanity of prolife never ceases to amaze me.
Sueezee1 4 weeks ago
@Sueezee1 You have yet to give any solid reason why. Statistical data proves that most babies still in the womb will make it to birth.
meer8 4 weeks ago
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WHAT??? Where did I say anything like that???? Not "make it"?? Which ones wont make it and why??? What are you talking about???
Sueezee1 4 weeks ago
@meer8 Not with my tax money. In the UK where I live we have way too many single mothers living on welfare benefits and their offspring usually wind up as serial criminals because most don`t have an adult male role model. Abortion should be encouraged for certain types of people by which I mean the underclass. No apologies for being politically incorrect about this.
hmwm67 4 weeks ago
@hmwm67 Do I sense a slippery slope? You can't link abortion to serial crime. You are saying that human life has no value because its economically inconvenient.
meer8 4 weeks ago
@meer8 Sorry but I don`t believe I should finance the degenerate lifestyles of the underclass, Abortion has no link to serial crime, in fact it allievates it by stopping many of these underclass criminal trash from being born in the first place. But I suppose my views offend your liberal sensabilities. Of course you are a young 20 something student..and your professors brainwash you into embracing every PC dogma under the sun! Wake up and smell the coffee!
hmwm67 4 weeks ago
@hmwm67
Most people are prochoice for the right reasons -- women's individual freedom and liberty. Someone like you comes along and well, shit happens, but if yer a vote for pro choice, hexl aint gonna holler that much, elections are about numbers.
Hexl702 3 weeks ago
@Hexl702 I am very pro choice at least during the first trimester. I do think however by the time of late pregnancy unless there are health issues the woman has already had enough time to make up her mind. I believe the majority of women would agree with me on this point. But women who can`t afford to financally support their baby should be actively encouraged to abort. The religious "pro life" wingnuts are in no moral position to whine about it due to all these clerical child sex abuse scandals
hmwm67 3 weeks ago
@hmwm67 PC dogma? I'm not pro choice. I'm pro-life. There is absolutely zero evidence that suggests that unwanted pregnancies are linked to crime. That was my point. Don't act like the underclass are the only ones who have unwanted pregnancies. Sure, they do have unwanted pregnancies. But in my experience, the middle class are just as bad.
meer8 2 weeks ago
@meer8 The middle class teenagers tend to be more careful. My 16 year old neice has had a steady boyfriend for a year now and she is not pregnant. Every couple of months she and her boyfriend visit my town to see me and I put them both up in the spare bedroom in my apartment. The underclass are more likely to have their babies because it helps claim more welfare and they get free housing from the government. My middle class neice wants to finish school get a degree and a nice job. Clever girl.
hmwm67 2 weeks ago
@hmwm67 part 2 And members of the underclass raised in single parent households are most likely to drift into crime. So the less of them that exist, the lower our welfare costs and the lower the crime rates will be. Returning to my neice, she knows everything about contraceptives and is way too smart to get pregnant because she has had a steady decent middle class 2 parent upbringing.
hmwm67 2 weeks ago
@meer8 It's not a child yet. It doesn't have a life to live yet. And if the mother is unprepared, that life could be disastrous or even traumatic for the child although that's not highly likely. I don't support abortion in the cases where there isn't safe sex or there's just plain carelessness. However, in the off chance that a woman is raped or the father leaves or any other relative situation, if she isn't ready to handle it, that's no life to live. We are the essential hosts to decide.
c00kiem0nster95 1 day ago
GO PRO-LIFE ! PRO- LIFE Is About Making Abortion ILLEGAL ! "Every Child Deserves A LIFE" STOP Killing Innocent Babies That Never Even Sall Daylight ! YOU Should Start Being PRO-LIFE. If Your Reading This, Yo Momma Went PRO-LIFE ! ACT, BE, THINK, PRO-LIFE !
Younggiesss 1 month ago
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~~~~~~~~~~~~ Billions also went "prochoice...so whats your point?
Sueezee1 1 month ago
@Younggiesss My mother didn't go pro-life. She thought about her options (pro-choice) and decided that having me was what she wanted and what she was ready for.
it's* saw* your* Just saying.
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Younggiesss 1 month ago
LOL what a loser of a strategery --digging a rotted corpse out of her grave!
Hell, why arent you pulling this racist crap onto Sarah Weddington or Linda Coffey - I bet you dont even know who they are. They argued and won Roe. LOL if there was some
diabolical plot to "exterminate blacks" - it wasnt Sanger who made abortion legal,
they did!
Roe was nver the law in Sanger's lifetime, and she was actually ANTI abortion - y'all
cant even keep your myths straight.
Hexl702 1 month ago
And I'm pro-choice of pedofils, not pro-rape of children.
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GladiatorShield 1 month ago
Obama's arguments apply to all kinds of things where he *opposes* people carefully thinking out their own decisions regarding what affects them. Consider his opposition to gun rights (where people take resp. for self-defense) or Obamacare (where people can no longer shop around for the best health plan for them) or School Choice (Obama opposes private schools that offer parents a choice in something as important as education!)
It's the empty rhetoric of an insincere pro-abortion propagandist.
horsie111 1 month ago
Obama defends late-term abortion for any reason by including the loophole "for the mother's health".
Now if the pregnancy needs to be terminated for medical reasons, birth can be induced and the child delivered. There's nothing gained from sticking a pair of scissors into its partially delivered body and sucking its brains out, as in PBA.
The very existence of late-term abortion proves the blood thirsty desire of abortions and evil women to kill even into the THIRD TRIMESTER.
horsie111 1 month ago
lol Silly :: pats little head:: . Hexl knows you clowns, Ive seen y'all up close for all 38 years of Roe.
This idea of "if we bring down Sanger, the whole structure collapses" --
The prochoice movement has MANY heros and heroines,
well, I dont worship
Sanger in a sheeplike religious way.
We dont hate an entity on account of its bad beginnings, hell, we would have to hate
America herself because she began with killing Indians and slavery. But America changed.
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702 You'll admit Sanger is an embarrassment. Perhaps because you feel embarrassment at her backward notions and disproven anti-scientific notions, but mainly because it's she's no longer useful to your cause - except by whitewashing her views, as in any pro-abortion pamphlet where you're forced to mention the origins of the abortion movement. You'd rather not, but abortion is built on lies and you're happy to lionize her nonetheless.
horsie111 1 month ago
@horsie111
I think George Washington is an embarassment, too. He was a slaveowner.
Sanger never performed
aboriton, she was actualy ANTI abortion -- but Ol George was a
DIRECT PARTICIPANT
in the evil that is slavery. ( hell it must be evil, pro-loofas compare abortion and slavery all the time )
I think ol George should likewise be taken off his pedestal -- none of this "founding father" and "father of our country " hooey.
Hexl702 1 month ago
@horsie111
I just said pro choice movement has MANY heros and heroines.
I dont lionize Sanger, you can't read what I just said ! You trust your own
beliefs, more than what we actually say!
LOl no wonder you clowns cant get any traction!
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702 quit ur "clowning"..."We dont hate an entity on account of its bad beginnings, hell, we would have to hate
America herself because she began with killing Indians and slavery" Uh, no...Actually America started based on FREEDOM. If you had an ounce of education on the matter you would know that slavery is as old as time, and the ones who BEGAN SLAVERY, with regards to America, WERE THE AFRICANS THEMSELVES! Blacks traded blacks in, much like Obama is doing with Blacks...
xcolompapi 1 month ago
@xcolompapi
LOLsilly - if you could read, you'd see I never said America invented slavery - i said
slavery was part of America's beginnings. Geo. Washington , the "father of our country" LOL more like " the owner of a hundred slaves". America didnt begin in freedom for blacks, did it?
You clucks are just ASKING for it, when ya'll compare abortion to slavery. So having a pro choice president, is pretty much the equivalent of having a slave owning president, eh?
Hexl702 1 month ago
And yet, Obama's pro-choice on almost no other issue - other than homogamy and abortion. He's anti-choice when it comes to everything else, so he obviously doesn't really believe in the principle of choice. Obama's using a nice sounding word like "pro-choice" to avoid the facts about abortion. This smug, hypocritical weasel doesn't even believe in his own label.
He's also happy than black women have 5 TIMES more abortions than whites. That must be a measure of how empowered they are, right?
horsie111 1 month ago
@horsie111
lol Silly! Roe is the law of the land. Obama HAS to enforce the right to choose, he cant NOT do it. So did Bush 41 and Bush 43.
This crap about "Obama is happy about abortion " is your juvenile, infantile projection of your emotions onto him. But then, thats about all the proloafers have.
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702 Obama has been a speaker at Planned Parenthood, and spoke to them in glowing terms. PP is the #1 abortion provider and its clinics are overwhelmingly in minority and poor neighborhoods. See the blackgenocide website
Obama's use of "pro-choice" functions to substitute for facts, since he's anti-choice on almost every issue: A sleazy hypocrite who exploits others' respect for an American-sounding ideal of "choice" to cover the reality of abortion. He doesn't apply it elsewhere.
horsie111 1 month ago
@horsie111
lol SILLY -- 63% of clinics s are in WHITE neighborhoods. Only some 9% are in so called black neighborhoods, and some 12% in Hispanic and 15% in mixed.
You guys have to lie and play the RACE card because you're desperate.
lol, putting whites on the defensive for black behavior -- on any realm besides abortion,
you'd rail at that for being a "lib tactic"
-- hell, youd screech like
someone was ripping YOUR arms and legs off.
Hexl702 1 month ago
@horsie111
LOL silly -- we arent for EVERY choice under the sun. But we are for this
PARTICULAR choice - the right to abort if you so choose.
If you silly bubs think abortion should be outlawed - fine, great - tell us
what the law would be and whats the punishment.
I sure dont hear any of the pro-lip candidates who want to take Obama's place,
spelling out what crime /penalty
they'd support!
Hexl702 1 month ago
Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned parenthood was quoted writing, "“The minister’s work is also important, and also he should be trained, perhaps by the Federation, as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea" She was talking about black ministers....Obama is such a minister...sad
xcolompapi 1 month ago
@xcolompapi ""we do not want the word to go out"""
LOL not THIS crap again! When you hate her, nothing's too ugly to accuse her of,eh?
Hell, it could mean she simply didnt want to be misunderstood. She thought birth control would be beneficial for black women, seeing how they died in childbirth at higher rates than whites at the time. If she could curtail that,
it wold be a good thing.
She thought other blacks could tell them better than she could. Whats wrong with that?
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702 wow...do I have a bridge to sell you...
xcolompapi 1 month ago
@xcolompapi
A white woman was a racist in 1916 -- WHO, which one, could you be a little more
GENERAL, please? lol
If Sanger was this big fat giant racist - having a black president and black woman in charge of her organization would really PISS HER OFF, wouldn't it? I think
the supposed racism has been refuted.
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702 this is exactly what she wanted, to fool, well, fools like you....mission accomplished!
xcolompapi 1 month ago
@xcolompapi
LOL - what did she "fool" me about ? Abortion is an individual choice.
Women dont
get abortions for "group" reaons, silly!
LOL - you believe black women get abortions because they hate blacks. That cracks me up.
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702 "Women dont get abortions for "group" reaons, silly!" You're right...pro-abort women get abortions, with silly reasons, from a "group"...LOL
The worst for of racism, against blacks, is to kill them....I never heard of anyone dying from the N-word...This is black on black violence....Mother on child violence...
xcolompapi 1 month ago
@xcolompapi
lol - You clucks crack me up. When blacks accused whites of "bringing AIDS into the
black community " or "crack" to turn blacks' minds against white people -- why,
Whitey was OUTRAGED! The very idea!
But "whitey brought abortion in" and you dips go "YEAH, now thats an idea I can get
behind!'
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702 Are u black? and are you ok with blacks being killed?
xcolompapi 1 month ago
@xcolompapi
How come there's never been a black president of Natl Right to Lite, or The American Lite League? Are they a bunch of bigots ? White leadership, all of them, white
as the KKK.
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702 and how come you can't answer a simple question? But anyway, to address your ignorance Rev Childress, Walter Hoye, and many others including Alveda King are head of organizations in support of the black community, and defending it's children...See, even if you were hypothetically speaking, right that it was only white leaders, it still would not matter, because your ideology comes directly from the KKK and nazis...Pro-life ideology does not turn a profit killing children =)
xcolompapi 3 weeks ago
@Hexl702 there is evidence that abortion was a product of eugenics, in this country....Not my fault that you've been brainwashed by "whitey"...lol
xcolompapi 1 month ago
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LOl, legal abortion took place in this country (US) in the days of the pilgrims, and there was no desire for eugenics. But, that was great propaganda!!
Sueezee1 1 month ago
@Hexl702 are you "uncle ruckus"?
xcolompapi 1 month ago
@xcolompapi
The fact you dont like the reasons, have no bearing on a woman's ability to get one.
LOL -- this meme "Black women are murderers out of all proportion to their numbers,
just like their men"" --
You expect THAT message to resonate with black people? Good luck with that, LOL!
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702 Yeah you're right...it won't resonate but only with the paranoid "whitey-preaching" black racists out there...the majority of the educated ones will consider the words....They're not stupid, right? Ok, then...Let them see the stats for themselves...So because I love blacks and all ethnicities, that I don't want their numbers low or I don't want to see them dead...THAT makes me a "racist"!!???? HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! BTW I am a minority myself..LMBO!!!!!
xcolompapi 1 month ago
@xcolompapi
LOL silly --Your post says ""Black women are STUPID. Too stupid to see theyve been manipulated. Its up to WHITE people to set em straight."
But black women might not cotton to a buncha white people telling em how DUMM
and MURDEROUS they are, not against a backdrop of historical white smugness
and white superiority complex.
So prolickers are scrambling around for blacks to say it FOR them. Hmm, sounds
familiar" "We get a bunch of black ministers.. .."
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702 "LOL silly --Your post says ""Black women are STUPID. Too stupid to see theyve been manipulated. Its up to WHITE people to set em straight." really? When did I write that? or are you that paranoid that anyone who disagrees with your idiocy is a "whitey"??? Based on skin color you stereotype??? You racist....You're making us look bad...Just hush. This is why "whitey" thinks we're stupid....
xcolompapi 1 month ago
@xcolompapi ""This is why whitey thinks we're stupid""
LOL silly, that IS the message of the pro-lite clucks who play the race card ! They call blacks "brainwashed".
As if they dont wanna give black women one ounce of credit for knowing exactly
what theyre doing.
Hexl702 1 month ago
Abortion is not murder. How about quality of life/rights? You have an abortion because you cannot and will not RUIN lives(Your own, and every other person on the planet bc its another unwanted mouth to feed). I bet you anti-abortion people do not want to help pay for food stamps, care for an unwanted child, you eat meat, and are FOR the death penalty. The day a fetus can walk around on its own, able to contribute to society the way a full grown woman can, I'll weigh it as competition as you do.
somethought 1 month ago
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@somethought "I bet you anti-abortion people do not want to help pay for food stamps, care for an unwanted child, you eat meat, and are FOR the death penalty" Do that, do that, do that, (why not? I ain't no tree-hugging hippie!), and the last one is just an ignorant stereotype....If you are not carrying a baby in the womb, then you are NOT pregnant either....What is the need to make abortion "rare" if it is in FACT not a baby you carry???? Lotta things that make no sense...
xcolompapi 1 month ago
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somethought 1 month ago
Thank god for Obama.
somethought 1 month ago
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@staum607 ""i would not choose to rape, i can respect the choice of others """
LOL we've seen snark from prolickers before. Its a failed tactic. Hell the class of '73
prolickers were playing this Arch Allusion bit where they pretend to support "choices".
We arent for every choice under the sun. But we are for this PARTICULAR choice-- the right to abort if you so choose.
Rape is a crime. Isnt that something - if we think something is bad enough, we make
it an actual crime.
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702 this "tactic" is designed to show the failed argument that, "because it is a difficult decision, etc it should be left up to the women and no one else should judge her". Simply because something is a difficult choice does not make the decision right. Personally I prefer to focus on what the baby is in debates though; if it is a person than abortion is murder, if it isn't then pro-lifers should get a life and leave others alone.
staum607 1 month ago
@staum607 ""the failed argument""
Well, dont be fooled by a 3 minute YT video. LOL I dont think thats his sole or main rationale.
We dont have forced pregnancy or mandatory maternity in the U.S. If the pro-loofas think we should --
tell us how youd force it.
We will stack that up against "safe, legal and rare," and see which one goes over better.
Hexl702 1 month ago
@staum607 ""i prefer to focus on what the baby is"""
Is it a person? We have circumstances where killing actual human beings, whose personhood is a given, is not a crime. Hell, sometimes its even
okay.
Hexl702 1 month ago
@mytwochildren1 says: Bottom line is that abortion is murder!
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NO, it is NOT. Why do you people LIE???
Sueezee1 1 month ago
I'm pro-choice, not pro rape. And the reason I say this is, I don't believe the man enters into this decision lightly. We don't know all that he is going through when making this decision and how difficult it is. So while I personally would not choose to rape, I can respect the choice of other to do so. I think we should be focused on simply reducing unwanted sexual encounters by providing resources and other options to men faced with this decision.
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Hexl702 1 month ago
@staum607 so you want to help, or give them the means to rape others?
xcolompapi 1 month ago