JESUS SHOWED THIS YOUNG MAN HOW HE SPENDS TIME WITH EACH ABORTED BABY.AS HE SAID "woe unto the world for its offences"accept him while theres time of grace
He has "belief" in Roe vs. Wade. I have Knowledge in the developing & growing Human life that is a Fetus.
Strange non-existent entity it is, that has its own DNA & Blood Supply!
Strange to kill it because it hasn't grown up fully or is dependent on it's Mom. I guess everyone is born 100% fully adult & fully grown, independent of their Moms at day 1, no?
@Polisanity says: Strange non-existent entity it is, that has its own DNA & Blood Supply!
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Why are you people always screaming " It has its own DNA"? It is absolutely irrelevant in the realm of legal abortions. It Might have its own DNA, but its mom owns it. Its her personal and private property do with as she chooses. Its NOT yours!
My friend was raped when she was 11 by her father he got her pregnant & forced her to carry the baby when she had it, it almost killed her it tore her up inside & she cant have kids anymore I'm pro choice rape is wrong & its even more wrong to shove ur goddamn beliefs down people's throat's by forcing them to have their rapists child is disgusting & cruel if they don't want to
Basically the pro-choice argument is The fetus isn't a person,but even it it were it doesn't matter because the woman's right to control her body is more important than the fetus's right to exist. The pro-life argument is that abortion is immoral and promotes immoral behavior BUT even if it doesn't the unborn babies RIGHT to exist temporarily outweighs the woman's right to absolute control of her body. So far I find the pro-life argument more compelling, But I'm still somewhat open minded.
lmao He said "i am pro choice no pro abortion" he does no matter how you word it you still are ok&let women kill their kids with no punishment.Abortion&all those for it can go to hell. That being said abortion will never go away.Women have to much power&itsonly going 2 get worse.Iam soory to say this because i like that wome ahve rights but i thik women having rights has gone for the worse.Women control this world now because we let them take it.its over let them kill all the babies they want
~~~~~~~~~~ its a dmaned shame that your angry because the government will let us do things to our OWN bodies and our OWN fetuse...BUT... they wont let YOU have control of them???Lololol
@frosty7001 says: Women control this world now because we let them take it
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I see a jealous MAN, jealous of womens freedom to abort when they dont have HIS permission. Sounds like you have a touch of womb envy, frosty! Do you want to have babies like women do? is that why youre so obsessed withtis subject and so angry at women and their magnificant job of populating the earth?
@Sueezee2 Im jealous?No i has a girl friend kill my fucking bAby with out even telling me.Its such bull shit Women kill their own babies and yet nothing happnes to them. You want to use the argument of "its their body" ok well then lets make crack&meth legal if kids want to use it its their body why should they go to jail over it?Do you have kidsThen let them cut themselves&do drugs& plaz dont getmad its their body how dareyou say its wrong!THE ARGUMENT DOES NOT MAKE SNSE&YOU KNOW IT
I know why Christians oppose abortion. If there were no abortions then many of these unwanted babies would wind up in childrens homes where Christian clergy could sexually abuse them. We all know that happened before during the 20th century.
For anyone who says Pro-choice is pro-abortion. I suppose that means that if you believe in the right to bear arms, that your also pro-murder.I mean since if you give a guy a gun, he'll DEFINITELY in his ignorant state of mind choose to shoot anyone he thinks he has the right to.
News-flash people: MOST people for Pro-choice still want a strict time-table or WHEN an abortion can be done. Don't claim to understand the mind of a woman who aborts a baby. It's sickening.
"herp derp being pro-choice means you are pro-abortion and that means you love to kill babies in your spare time"
Put a fucking sock in it. Imagine giving a woman no control over her body, stuck with this fetus, not being able to support herself, let alone her future child and become impoverished and end up fucking over her life. Imagine having to look at the moment of your rape every second of your life, constantly reminded of that traumatic experience. Being pro-choice does not mean you enjo
Obama is Pro-choice, not proabortion?Well that means that he is pro abortion because he lets it happen.Which also happens to means he is ok with people killing babies that did nothing to deserve being killed.Pro choice?So you choose to kill?This is why i fucking hate liberals!Why dont women come out with the real reason for all of this?Its not about the baby or anything like that its all about women saying F U everybody for not having rights for a 100 years&they are willing tokill kids to do it
When he was asked "When does life begin?" his answer was "That's above my pay scale" So, either he does not have the education to determine the answer, or the financial resources.Or maybe, just maybe, that is his way of avoiding the most direct question regarding this issue So, this question is just begging to be asked. ---How can a man that says that he doesn't know when life begins, be an advocate to aborting a baby? Because if life truly begins at conception, then it really is murder.
Did you know that the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a devout racist who created the Negro Project designed to sterilize unknowing black women and others she deemed as undesirables of society? The founder of Planned Parenthood said, "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated."
what a MORON! Pro-Choice IS Pro-Abortion. Most women that have abortions do NOT wrestle with it, their consciences are seared, they just want to play, but not pay. They want to fuck, then reset for a buck. They just want to thrill and then make the kill.
It also be noted that it's foolishly high and mighty of people to say no to abortion when the alternatives aren't much better. The livelihood of children put on adoption by and large is horrible. And if a mother through her own mistake(or being victimized) becomes pregnant but has the baby anyway, is prone to not having the financial strength to care for the baby and assumes an unfortunate downward spiral for both parent and child.
@Lostbymydreams Not only that but as all these millions of extra unwanted babies could not get possibly get adopted the chances are tens of thousands of them would wind up in care homes. Many of these would be funded by charity and the people running them would be members of churches. I think the levels of physical and sexual abuse in them would be endemic. That`s what happened before when vunerable kids were placed in the "care" of the religious.
@crazyability That is fairly simple. It's a cold hearted choice steeped in simple logic. In some cases as Obama vaguely highlighted above. A women having an abortion is a health concern because if she takes the baby to term she could die. It's easy to preach the moralistic view that the mother should be willing to die to give birth. But it's a lot wiser for mothers to survive so that they may gain another chance at creating life.
@Sueezee1 Ok, so tell me then, how is it that taking the life of a human being with a beating heart, who can move, and think on it's own, is not murder?
@crazyability says: then, how is it that taking the life of a human being is not murder?
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Do you find it odd that YOU didnt tell ME how it IS murder? That would prove your right and you'd be the winner. Come on,show me the legal defintion of murder and how aboriton fits that defintion, THEN, tell me how & why the women, who supposidly committed murder, are not in prison for the crime. Bet you dont post to me again..lolol
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I couldn't have said it better! Women in general do need to continue taking into consideration the choice that they're making for a future child. However, in the early stages of pregnancy, the child is not yet an actual child! It doesn't have its own individual personality at all yet! And that, I think, is the basis of humanity. By having an abortion, I don't believe that you're being inhumane, but rather you might be doing the best thing depending on the situation you're in.So much to be said:P
@c00kiem0nster95 My problem with that is that there is a very good chance that the child will develop further and be born. And you are killing a living process and erasing that chance all together. Who are we to say that a certain child shouldn't have that chance to live?
@meer8 Who are you to say that a woman should have to carry out pregnancy, which carries tons of potential risk, for somebody else's life that she does not want?
Do you have to donate organs to save peoples' lives? Are you forced to donate blood to save peoples' lives?
@ImFlareonBitch I think a life > pain. Pregnancy and delivery is a very safe process these days. Statistical data show that barely more than 1% of abortions are done because the mother's life is in danger. That scenario is extremely rare and therefore should not carry any weight. No, but I have chosen to be an organ donor and a blood donor. Those arguments are fallacious and therefore not valid.
@Sueezee1 VERY few of them would die or not make it to birth these days. They all won't live, of course. But, because the vast majority would live, abortion should not take all of those lives because very few wouldn't live. Think about what you are saying. You are proposing that millons of babies should be killed because a few of them wouldn't make it anyway.
@meer8 says: VERY few of them would die or not make it to birth these days.
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WHAT??? That has NOTHING to do with my question which you conveniently DIDNT answer. YOU ask "us", who we are to say certain child shouldnt live (meaning being aborted), i respond with, who are YOU to say that all WILL live, and THAT is your response. Why dont you answer my question & stop ranting w/ somehting thats meant to get my mind OFF it?
@meer8 Not with my tax money. In the UK where I live we have way too many single mothers living on welfare benefits and their offspring usually wind up as serial criminals because most don`t have an adult male role model. Abortion should be encouraged for certain types of people by which I mean the underclass. No apologies for being politically incorrect about this.
@hmwm67 Do I sense a slippery slope? You can't link abortion to serial crime. You are saying that human life has no value because its economically inconvenient.
@meer8 Sorry but I don`t believe I should finance the degenerate lifestyles of the underclass, Abortion has no link to serial crime, in fact it allievates it by stopping many of these underclass criminal trash from being born in the first place. But I suppose my views offend your liberal sensabilities. Of course you are a young 20 something student..and your professors brainwash you into embracing every PC dogma under the sun! Wake up and smell the coffee!
Most people are prochoice for the right reasons -- women's individual freedom and liberty. Someone like you comes along and well, shit happens, but if yer a vote for pro choice, hexl aint gonna holler that much, elections are about numbers.
@Hexl702 I am very pro choice at least during the first trimester. I do think however by the time of late pregnancy unless there are health issues the woman has already had enough time to make up her mind. I believe the majority of women would agree with me on this point. But women who can`t afford to financally support their baby should be actively encouraged to abort. The religious "pro life" wingnuts are in no moral position to whine about it due to all these clerical child sex abuse scandals
@hmwm67 PC dogma? I'm not pro choice. I'm pro-life. There is absolutely zero evidence that suggests that unwanted pregnancies are linked to crime. That was my point. Don't act like the underclass are the only ones who have unwanted pregnancies. Sure, they do have unwanted pregnancies. But in my experience, the middle class are just as bad.
@meer8 The middle class teenagers tend to be more careful. My 16 year old neice has had a steady boyfriend for a year now and she is not pregnant. Every couple of months she and her boyfriend visit my town to see me and I put them both up in the spare bedroom in my apartment. The underclass are more likely to have their babies because it helps claim more welfare and they get free housing from the government. My middle class neice wants to finish school get a degree and a nice job. Clever girl.
@hmwm67 part 2 And members of the underclass raised in single parent households are most likely to drift into crime. So the less of them that exist, the lower our welfare costs and the lower the crime rates will be. Returning to my neice, she knows everything about contraceptives and is way too smart to get pregnant because she has had a steady decent middle class 2 parent upbringing.
GO PRO-LIFE ! PRO- LIFE Is About Making Abortion ILLEGAL ! "Every Child Deserves A LIFE" STOP Killing Innocent Babies That Never Even Sall Daylight ! YOU Should Start Being PRO-LIFE. If Your Reading This, Yo Momma Went PRO-LIFE ! ACT, BE, THINK, PRO-LIFE !
LOL what a loser of a strategery --digging a rotted corpse out of her grave!
Hell, why arent you pulling this racist crap onto Sarah Weddington or Linda Coffey - I bet you dont even know who they are. They argued and won Roe. LOL if there was some
diabolical plot to "exterminate blacks" - it wasnt Sanger who made abortion legal,
they did!
Roe was nver the law in Sanger's lifetime, and she was actually ANTI abortion - y'all
Obama's arguments apply to all kinds of things where he *opposes* people carefully thinking out their own decisions regarding what affects them. Consider his opposition to gun rights (where people take resp. for self-defense) or Obamacare (where people can no longer shop around for the best health plan for them) or School Choice (Obama opposes private schools that offer parents a choice in something as important as education!)
It's the empty rhetoric of an insincere pro-abortion propagandist.
Obama defends late-term abortion for any reason by including the loophole "for the mother's health".
Now if the pregnancy needs to be terminated for medical reasons, birth can be induced and the child delivered. There's nothing gained from sticking a pair of scissors into its partially delivered body and sucking its brains out, as in PBA.
The very existence of late-term abortion proves the blood thirsty desire of abortions and evil women to kill even into the THIRD TRIMESTER.
@Hexl702 You'll admit Sanger is an embarrassment. Perhaps because you feel embarrassment at her backward notions and disproven anti-scientific notions, but mainly because it's she's no longer useful to your cause - except by whitewashing her views, as in any pro-abortion pamphlet where you're forced to mention the origins of the abortion movement. You'd rather not, but abortion is built on lies and you're happy to lionize her nonetheless.
@Hexl702 quit ur "clowning"..."We dont hate an entity on account of its bad beginnings, hell, we would have to hate
America herself because she began with killing Indians and slavery" Uh, no...Actually America started based on FREEDOM. If you had an ounce of education on the matter you would know that slavery is as old as time, and the ones who BEGAN SLAVERY, with regards to America, WERE THE AFRICANS THEMSELVES! Blacks traded blacks in, much like Obama is doing with Blacks...
LOLsilly - if you could read, you'd see I never said America invented slavery - i said
slavery was part of America's beginnings. Geo. Washington , the "father of our country" LOL more like " the owner of a hundred slaves". America didnt begin in freedom for blacks, did it?
You clucks are just ASKING for it, when ya'll compare abortion to slavery. So having a pro choice president, is pretty much the equivalent of having a slave owning president, eh?
And yet, Obama's pro-choice on almost no other issue - other than homogamy and abortion. He's anti-choice when it comes to everything else, so he obviously doesn't really believe in the principle of choice. Obama's using a nice sounding word like "pro-choice" to avoid the facts about abortion. This smug, hypocritical weasel doesn't even believe in his own label.
He's also happy than black women have 5 TIMES more abortions than whites. That must be a measure of how empowered they are, right?
lol Silly! Roe is the law of the land. Obama HAS to enforce the right to choose, he cant NOT do it. So did Bush 41 and Bush 43.
This crap about "Obama is happy about abortion " is your juvenile, infantile projection of your emotions onto him. But then, thats about all the proloafers have.
@Hexl702 Obama has been a speaker at Planned Parenthood, and spoke to them in glowing terms. PP is the #1 abortion provider and its clinics are overwhelmingly in minority and poor neighborhoods. See the blackgenocide website
Obama's use of "pro-choice" functions to substitute for facts, since he's anti-choice on almost every issue: A sleazy hypocrite who exploits others' respect for an American-sounding ideal of "choice" to cover the reality of abortion. He doesn't apply it elsewhere.
lol SILLY -- 63% of clinics s are in WHITE neighborhoods. Only some 9% are in so called black neighborhoods, and some 12% in Hispanic and 15% in mixed.
You guys have to lie and play the RACE card because you're desperate.
lol, putting whites on the defensive for black behavior -- on any realm besides abortion,
Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned parenthood was quoted writing, "“The minister’s work is also important, and also he should be trained, perhaps by the Federation, as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea" She was talking about black ministers....Obama is such a minister...sad
@xcolompapi ""we do not want the word to go out"""
LOL not THIS crap again! When you hate her, nothing's too ugly to accuse her of,eh?
Hell, it could mean she simply didnt want to be misunderstood. She thought birth control would be beneficial for black women, seeing how they died in childbirth at higher rates than whites at the time. If she could curtail that,
it wold be a good thing.
She thought other blacks could tell them better than she could. Whats wrong with that?
A white woman was a racist in 1916 -- WHO, which one, could you be a little more
GENERAL, please? lol
If Sanger was this big fat giant racist - having a black president and black woman in charge of her organization would really PISS HER OFF, wouldn't it? I think
@Hexl702 "Women dont get abortions for "group" reaons, silly!" You're right...pro-abort women get abortions, with silly reasons, from a "group"...LOL
The worst for of racism, against blacks, is to kill them....I never heard of anyone dying from the N-word...This is black on black violence....Mother on child violence...
How come there's never been a black president of Natl Right to Lite, or The American Lite League? Are they a bunch of bigots ? White leadership, all of them, white
@Hexl702 and how come you can't answer a simple question? But anyway, to address your ignorance Rev Childress, Walter Hoye, and many others including Alveda King are head of organizations in support of the black community, and defending it's children...See, even if you were hypothetically speaking, right that it was only white leaders, it still would not matter, because your ideology comes directly from the KKK and nazis...Pro-life ideology does not turn a profit killing children =)
@xcolompapi says: there is evidence that abortion was a product of eugenics, in this country....
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LOl, legal abortion took place in this country (US) in the days of the pilgrims, and there was no desire for eugenics. But, that was great propaganda!!
@Hexl702 Yeah you're right...it won't resonate but only with the paranoid "whitey-preaching" black racists out there...the majority of the educated ones will consider the words....They're not stupid, right? Ok, then...Let them see the stats for themselves...So because I love blacks and all ethnicities, that I don't want their numbers low or I don't want to see them dead...THAT makes me a "racist"!!???? HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! BTW I am a minority myself..LMBO!!!!!
@Hexl702 "LOL silly --Your post says ""Black women are STUPID. Too stupid to see theyve been manipulated. Its up to WHITE people to set em straight." really? When did I write that? or are you that paranoid that anyone who disagrees with your idiocy is a "whitey"??? Based on skin color you stereotype??? You racist....You're making us look bad...Just hush. This is why "whitey" thinks we're stupid....
Abortion is not murder. How about quality of life/rights? You have an abortion because you cannot and will not RUIN lives(Your own, and every other person on the planet bc its another unwanted mouth to feed). I bet you anti-abortion people do not want to help pay for food stamps, care for an unwanted child, you eat meat, and are FOR the death penalty. The day a fetus can walk around on its own, able to contribute to society the way a full grown woman can, I'll weigh it as competition as you do.
@somethought "I bet you anti-abortion people do not want to help pay for food stamps, care for an unwanted child, you eat meat, and are FOR the death penalty" Do that, do that, do that, (why not? I ain't no tree-hugging hippie!), and the last one is just an ignorant stereotype....If you are not carrying a baby in the womb, then you are NOT pregnant either....What is the need to make abortion "rare" if it is in FACT not a baby you carry???? Lotta things that make no sense...
@Hexl702 this "tactic" is designed to show the failed argument that, "because it is a difficult decision, etc it should be left up to the women and no one else should judge her". Simply because something is a difficult choice does not make the decision right. Personally I prefer to focus on what the baby is in debates though; if it is a person than abortion is murder, if it isn't then pro-lifers should get a life and leave others alone.
I'm pro-choice, not pro rape. And the reason I say this is, I don't believe the man enters into this decision lightly. We don't know all that he is going through when making this decision and how difficult it is. So while I personally would not choose to rape, I can respect the choice of other to do so. I think we should be focused on simply reducing unwanted sexual encounters by providing resources and other options to men faced with this decision.
@IntoxicatedZombehh war casualties, (lovely ppl, RIP) are not killed DELIBERATELY...THAT is the key word. A surgical/chemical abortion is done DELIBERATELY.
War can be justified in self-defense...Abortion on demand is never justified
abortion is murder. scientifically. not a matter of faith at all. it is literally halting the metabolism of cells in order to eliminate an individual set of DNA that can never be exactly replicated. never. if you end the lives of those cells. you end the life of the whole organism. So literally if you think murder is wrong, then you think abortion is wrong as well.
@apaquette117 No, abortion is not murder, lol, no matter what you say/how you lie. You are correct in pointing out that the cell development is halted, and that set of DNA, which does not equal a human person at that stage! is eliminated and the organism or cellular development is ended. Boo fucking hoo. So a pregnancy is ended. A baby never forms. An unwanted, unvalued life is not created bc of an accidental knock-up, so no child ever suffers, or is unwanted. How is this a bad thing?
@eastariel that has nothing to do with what I just said- context as in whether or not the women has any complications or the baby will have such defects that she/he will be in pain his/her life and whether or not it would be cruel to not have an abortion. That. Is context.
The nazis were cruel people who wouldn't have taken in context, because all they wanted to do was kill things where as abortion is mainly for the better of the mother.
@svds42 "abortion is mainly for the better of the mother"
Says who, you? Guess what, you do not know as much as you claim to. This is a terribly judgemental statement. Many women who abort are already struggling to support families. They abort so they can take care of their children. Many women don't want kids, or can't care for them. They abort bc they recognize that they can't give a child what it needs. Abortions save unwanted kids from being tossed into the system or not cared for properly
Presumably the nation of Israel understands the Holocaust better than anyone else. Hell the nation owes its creation partly as a response to the german genocide.
Yet abortion is legal there. It may be more restricted than here, but its legal. Wonder why that is. Probably for the same reason we do -- theres just some things we dont want to force on people, we'd rather they exercise individual freedom.
Israel also "chooses" to commit genocide on its Palestinian neighbors. It bombs crowded civilian areas, bulldozes their homes, destroys their agriculture, and fences them off their own lands.
Israel is not a model of morality. It is an ugly picture of what not to do.
lol Holy shit an anti zionist who'd have thunk. If you really hate atrocities, be sure to denounce a few things that Palestinians have done to innocent civilians, even actual babies.
The palestinians want to finish what the nazis started. For you to invoke the holocaust is ridiculous.
Who cares what nationality someone is? Bombing innocent civilians repeatedly in one of the world's most densely populated areas, which happens to be walled off so nobody can escape, is called a war crime. That's what Israel is doing in Gaza. The United Nations has charged Israel with over 70 terrorist charges/war crimes.
Here's how I see it. If you murder a pregnant woman, you get charged with double murder. So how is abortion not murder? The only exception should be rape, incest, or for the health of the mother.
@Hexl702 I know what you mean but you should get what I'm trying to say. If killing a fetus/unborn child is murder, so should abortion with certain exceptions. That's just how I see it, even if it is someone else and not the mother. Abortion should be considered murder unless there was rape, incest, or the health of the mother is at stake.
@Murray13j "Abortion should be considered murder unless there was rape, incest, or the health of the mother is at stake." Regardless of the circumstances, which are none of your business anyway, aborion is NOT murder; so why would or should we falsely claim/pretend that it is? To make you happy? Well it isn't about you. If you don't like abortions, don't get one.
@loathedanabhorred Abortion is without a doubt murder, whether the government sees it that way or not. Like I told the other guy, you don't have to agree, and I'm definitely not the only person who sees it this way. I don't see how you could falsely claim/pretend that killing another innocent living person isn't murder, regardless if the mother can take care of it or not. That's why there is adoption. It's not about you either chief, your opinion doesn't matter any more/less than mine.
@Murray13j It doesn't matter whether I agree or disagree with your false claims, it's not "murder" no matter what you say, or how many times you say it. And a fetus is simply not "a living person," no matter how many times you say so. And adoption isn't an alternative to pregnancy, this should be pretty clear. Nor does everyone agree w/ this option.
No, it's not about me, nor about you; people have human rights for a reason, no matter whether you think they should or shouldn't.
@loathedanabhorred Obviously, by law, abortion isn't murder. That's been established. If a fetus isn't living, then how is it possible that it can feel pain when it's limbs and body parts are ripped out of the mother during an abortion? Adoption is easily an alternative to abortion. Exactly, people should have human rights...including the child living inside a woman. If you're okay with killing fetuses, that's fine, at least I know I have a conscience.
@Murray13j I hear what your saying, but what gives us rights? we gave our self rights. so I think we should give animals rights as well. I just don't see a difference between killing animals and killing a fetus. Niether have congnitive functions. All they have maybe is the feeling of pain. So whats the difference from killing the fetus and pumping cows full of steriods so they get so big they cant even walk. I am pretty sure they are going through pain.
@EvironmentalistsEdge I'm all against animal cruelty but you have to realize that animals are used for the purpose of food. It's kind of hard to argue for one side because I don't really know which way to go on that. They're used for food but you have a point about some being mistreated for that purpose. Also realize that a human and a cow are different.
@Murray13j well the way I see it as we don't need meat as a food source anymore. We did need it a time but not anymore and also meat is a contributer to the destruction of the environment. The only reason we see a human different from a cow is our inttelligence. Well again the way I see it as is our intelligence dont amount for nothing if the person is just going to amount to nothing. Of course we cant say wether or not that fetus will be a productive person when they grow up or not.
@Murray13j I am not anti abortion but I am not pro abortion. I feel I am some what a pro life person but not the way they see it. I am pro life in the long term. M There is this thing called the doubling time. It is the time it takes for something to double. The world populations doubling time is about 54 years. Meaning in 2066 our population on earth will double. Most abortion are for very good reasons such as they cant afford a baby, or they way to young, no father and in most cases
@Murray13j ends up in adoption. In a sense I would rather people adopt to stop population growth. But if people keep having babies that not going to help nothing. Our population will grow and now we have to kill more animals. So again I am not pro abortion,I am against the fact that people bitch about abortion when we have so many other problems. People just don't open there eyes enough. So what needs to be done is a fix for both problems.
@Murray13j "Also realize that a human and a cow are different."
Of course a human and a cow are "different," thanks for that bit of wisdom. When are you going to realize, also, that a fetus and a fully developed human being are extremely different as well? Accordingly, they have differing rights..
@loathedanabhorred A fetus becomes a fully developed human being so them being at two different stages in life obviously makes them different. There is no point in arguing over abortion, I'm not going to change my views and you aren't going to change yours. It's that simple. Have a nice day.
@Murray13j "A fetus becomes a fully developed human being so them being at two different stages in life obviously makes them different."
And an egg becomes a chicken. Doesn't mean it IS a chicken, does it? That is just an example, please don't go off pretending I'm comparing humans to birds :p
Thinking of a fetus as how it MAY be in the future is ridiculous and irrational. Stay in the present, we can't time travel or read the future. Try considering the people presently involved :p
@EvironmentalistsEdge "I just don't see a difference between killing animals and killing a fetus." You can't be serious. Fetuses have no thoughts, no feelings, no awareness that they exist. . .While animals have complex social lives, emotions, feel pain and loss...How the hell do you equate a living animal to be on the same level as a fetus?
Animals are treated like absolute shit in our society, the animals we consume are treated like dead matter. Of course they feel pain. Fetuses do not.
@loathedanabhorred Yes I know, its seems to me you are on my side. I dont agree with any animal being killed or anything being killed unless there is areal good reason. Killing animals to eat them is not a good reason. we don't need meat anymore. The point I was tryna get across is that I hate that there are so many people bitching about abortions when we have so many other fucking problems. No one gives a fuck about the environment these babies will have to live in but they
@EvironmentalistsEdge I know the main point you were getting across :) I'm glad you are knowledgable on the issue, and can think of this subject on a grander scale than your (generalized, not "you" as in you personally) own selfish judgements, like too many assholes. You're so right that there are way bigger issues than the termination of unwanted fetuses. People bitch and whine but don't look at the issue itself, the roots of the issue, and the best option for the majority, which is...
@EvironmentalistsEdge ...personal choice. I think women should judge their own circumstances, not be told what to do to punish or belittle them. This has never been beneficial. People don't seem to understand that this planet supports our very existence, that without it, we do not survive. People think they're almighty superior and important, more so than our very resources! People don't seem capable of realizing that there may be nothing left for anyone in a few years, at the rate we're going
@EvironmentalistsEdge You're right that it's just ridiculous these bloody fools are crying over a few less births when there are so many terrifying problems, actual issues, that we face. It's like they live in a hole in the ground. Economy has replaced ecology, everything is mass produced, including animals ppl eat. Food is treated like dead matter while money is revered, worshipped. So many ppl are so selfish, they can't comprehend life after their own demise, and care only about thier lives.
@EvironmentalistsEdge Yes hon, we're not all complete idiots! :) Thanks for sharing your opinion, and considering real life instead of some fantasy land. All the best!
@loathedanabhorred care about the babies that are not even babies yet. They are a fetus that don't even have brain functions. People are fucking greedy for the own personal agenda, there own personal opinion. It's what they care about. fucking ignorant of what really happening in these world. They don't give a fuck about man kind as a whole or the planet. They think they have all the rights to the planet and animals and plants get the shit end of the stick. It makes me sick.
Exactly! So irrational and utterly insensible to cry over women's fertilized eggs, but not care about living people, human rights and real live babies. They actually don't give a fuck what happens to babies or children, or anyone but themselves! just want more and more to be born! They don't know why, except that they incorrectly consider that embryo as it MAY be in future time. Bunch of retards really.
@Murray13j Nobody said that a fetus isnt living, don't make up stupid shit and try to argue it with me :P And a fetus doesn't feel pain, before 20-23 weeks, it has not developed enough to have that capacity---No Brain, No Pain. The majority of abortions are done before the 5th month. Many of us believe its more sensible and humane to prevent a baby from ever forming than to create an unwanted child that is a burden to its unwilling parent(s). Some of us think kids should be wanted, loved, valued
@loathedanabhorred "And a fetus is simply not "a living person," no matter how many times you say so." -Your words. Now, I know you said "person," so before you attempt to insult my intelligence, a fetus becomes a person and is physically living. Just because it hasn't developed a brain yet doesn't mean we should just abort it. Just like the subject of abortion, the sides are split on whether a fetus can feel pain. It's been proven that they MAY be able to feel pain or a type of sensation.
JESUS SHOWED THIS YOUNG MAN HOW HE SPENDS TIME WITH EACH ABORTED BABY.AS HE SAID "woe unto the world for its offences"accept him while theres time of grace
IdigAponyONtheROOF 21 hours ago
He has "belief" in Roe vs. Wade. I have Knowledge in the developing & growing Human life that is a Fetus.
Strange non-existent entity it is, that has its own DNA & Blood Supply!
Strange to kill it because it hasn't grown up fully or is dependent on it's Mom. I guess everyone is born 100% fully adult & fully grown, independent of their Moms at day 1, no?
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@Polisanity says: Strange non-existent entity it is, that has its own DNA & Blood Supply!
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Why are you people always screaming " It has its own DNA"? It is absolutely irrelevant in the realm of legal abortions. It Might have its own DNA, but its mom owns it. Its her personal and private property do with as she chooses. Its NOT yours!
Sueezee2 11 hours ago
Your not killing the child, it isn't even developed yet.
jsibify 2 days ago
@jsibify Neither is a baby born. When exactly can we kill a human organism, considering it grows continuous from Zygote to 18 years from birth?
Polisanity 1 day ago
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~~~~~~~~~~ You actually dont know?
Sueezee2 11 hours ago
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My friend was raped when she was 11 by her father he got her pregnant & forced her to carry the baby when she had it, it almost killed her it tore her up inside & she cant have kids anymore I'm pro choice rape is wrong & its even more wrong to shove ur goddamn beliefs down people's throat's by forcing them to have their rapists child is disgusting & cruel if they don't want to
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Basically the pro-choice argument is The fetus isn't a person,but even it it were it doesn't matter because the woman's right to control her body is more important than the fetus's right to exist. The pro-life argument is that abortion is immoral and promotes immoral behavior BUT even if it doesn't the unborn babies RIGHT to exist temporarily outweighs the woman's right to absolute control of her body. So far I find the pro-life argument more compelling, But I'm still somewhat open minded.
sobriquet1999 6 days ago
Not making a decision casually does not make killing your child justifiable…
SDavidAndrew 1 week ago
@SDavidAndrew Just calculated & cold.
Polisanity 1 day ago
lmao He said "i am pro choice no pro abortion" he does no matter how you word it you still are ok&let women kill their kids with no punishment.Abortion&all those for it can go to hell. That being said abortion will never go away.Women have to much power&itsonly going 2 get worse.Iam soory to say this because i like that wome ahve rights but i thik women having rights has gone for the worse.Women control this world now because we let them take it.its over let them kill all the babies they want
frosty7001 1 week ago
@frosty7001 says: let them kill all the babies they want
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We always have.
Sueezee2 1 week ago
@frosty7001 says: Women have to much power
~~~~~~~~~~ its a dmaned shame that your angry because the government will let us do things to our OWN bodies and our OWN fetuse...BUT... they wont let YOU have control of them???Lololol
Sueezee2 1 week ago
@frosty7001 says: Women control this world now because we let them take it
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I see a jealous MAN, jealous of womens freedom to abort when they dont have HIS permission. Sounds like you have a touch of womb envy, frosty! Do you want to have babies like women do? is that why youre so obsessed withtis subject and so angry at women and their magnificant job of populating the earth?
Sueezee2 1 week ago
@Sueezee2 Im jealous?No i has a girl friend kill my fucking bAby with out even telling me.Its such bull shit Women kill their own babies and yet nothing happnes to them. You want to use the argument of "its their body" ok well then lets make crack&meth legal if kids want to use it its their body why should they go to jail over it?Do you have kidsThen let them cut themselves&do drugs& plaz dont getmad its their body how dareyou say its wrong!THE ARGUMENT DOES NOT MAKE SNSE&YOU KNOW IT
frosty7001 1 week ago
he said inserted...lol
Indogyearsimdead 1 week ago
Well said.
iamghostwalrus 1 week ago
Amen to this.
musicalfreak1212 1 week ago
Thanks Obama. This is a good one. :)
tw16mock 1 week ago
Thanks Obama. This is a good one.
tw16mock 1 week ago
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tw16mock 1 week ago
I know why Christians oppose abortion. If there were no abortions then many of these unwanted babies would wind up in childrens homes where Christian clergy could sexually abuse them. We all know that happened before during the 20th century.
hmwm67 1 week ago
Thank you Obama! :)
46JacobyGirl 1 week ago
I like how the liberals all for abortion are the same people who attack prenant women for smoking lol
RunNeonTigerTK 2 weeks ago
For anyone who says Pro-choice is pro-abortion. I suppose that means that if you believe in the right to bear arms, that your also pro-murder.I mean since if you give a guy a gun, he'll DEFINITELY in his ignorant state of mind choose to shoot anyone he thinks he has the right to.
News-flash people: MOST people for Pro-choice still want a strict time-table or WHEN an abortion can be done. Don't claim to understand the mind of a woman who aborts a baby. It's sickening.
Lostbymydreams 2 weeks ago
Well said. Planned Parenthood would be proud!
Martinguyification2 2 weeks ago
way to go obama! he is respecting christians opinions while sharing his own .... pro choice = giving a woman a right to her uterus....
lovelaughxx1 2 weeks ago
"herp derp being pro-choice means you are pro-abortion and that means you love to kill babies in your spare time"
Put a fucking sock in it. Imagine giving a woman no control over her body, stuck with this fetus, not being able to support herself, let alone her future child and become impoverished and end up fucking over her life. Imagine having to look at the moment of your rape every second of your life, constantly reminded of that traumatic experience. Being pro-choice does not mean you enjo
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Obama is Pro-choice, not proabortion?Well that means that he is pro abortion because he lets it happen.Which also happens to means he is ok with people killing babies that did nothing to deserve being killed.Pro choice?So you choose to kill?This is why i fucking hate liberals!Why dont women come out with the real reason for all of this?Its not about the baby or anything like that its all about women saying F U everybody for not having rights for a 100 years&they are willing tokill kids to do it
frosty7001 2 weeks ago
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frosty7001 2 weeks ago
When he was asked "When does life begin?" his answer was "That's above my pay scale" So, either he does not have the education to determine the answer, or the financial resources.Or maybe, just maybe, that is his way of avoiding the most direct question regarding this issue So, this question is just begging to be asked. ---How can a man that says that he doesn't know when life begins, be an advocate to aborting a baby? Because if life truly begins at conception, then it really is murder.
setatliberty 3 weeks ago
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Did you know that the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a devout racist who created the Negro Project designed to sterilize unknowing black women and others she deemed as undesirables of society? The founder of Planned Parenthood said, "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated."
BarbieBoy1997 3 weeks ago
what a MORON! Pro-Choice IS Pro-Abortion. Most women that have abortions do NOT wrestle with it, their consciences are seared, they just want to play, but not pay. They want to fuck, then reset for a buck. They just want to thrill and then make the kill.
BarbieBoy1997 3 weeks ago
It also be noted that it's foolishly high and mighty of people to say no to abortion when the alternatives aren't much better. The livelihood of children put on adoption by and large is horrible. And if a mother through her own mistake(or being victimized) becomes pregnant but has the baby anyway, is prone to not having the financial strength to care for the baby and assumes an unfortunate downward spiral for both parent and child.
Lostbymydreams 3 weeks ago
@Lostbymydreams Not only that but as all these millions of extra unwanted babies could not get possibly get adopted the chances are tens of thousands of them would wind up in care homes. Many of these would be funded by charity and the people running them would be members of churches. I think the levels of physical and sexual abuse in them would be endemic. That`s what happened before when vunerable kids were placed in the "care" of the religious.
hmwm67 3 weeks ago
@crazyability That is fairly simple. It's a cold hearted choice steeped in simple logic. In some cases as Obama vaguely highlighted above. A women having an abortion is a health concern because if she takes the baby to term she could die. It's easy to preach the moralistic view that the mother should be willing to die to give birth. But it's a lot wiser for mothers to survive so that they may gain another chance at creating life.
Lostbymydreams 3 weeks ago
It doesn't matter how a woman comes to decide to take her child's life, it's murder no matter what the circumstance.
crazyability 3 weeks ago
@crazyability
murder = "The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another".
as long as abortion is legal it cannot be called 'murder'.
Droidek74415 3 weeks ago
@crazyability
We KNOW -- y'all think abortion is murder. But as along as you dont actually TREAT
it like murder ( with arrest, trial , and prison) ,
all is copacetic.
Hexl702 3 weeks ago
@crazyability says: it's murder no matter what the circumstance
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Keep LYING, prochoice never wants you to be taken seriously. Good job
Sueezee1 3 weeks ago
@Sueezee1 Ok, so tell me then, how is it that taking the life of a human being with a beating heart, who can move, and think on it's own, is not murder?
crazyability 3 weeks ago
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@crazyability says: then, how is it that taking the life of a human being is not murder?
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Do you find it odd that YOU didnt tell ME how it IS murder? That would prove your right and you'd be the winner. Come on,show me the legal defintion of murder and how aboriton fits that defintion, THEN, tell me how & why the women, who supposidly committed murder, are not in prison for the crime. Bet you dont post to me again..lolol
Sueezee1 3 weeks ago
IF you guys are interested in this stuff have a look at my blog its all about pro-life/pro-choice, scientology, and politics in general! at lifeandpoliticsamerica.blogspot.com
herekamp1997 4 weeks ago
I couldn't have said it better! Women in general do need to continue taking into consideration the choice that they're making for a future child. However, in the early stages of pregnancy, the child is not yet an actual child! It doesn't have its own individual personality at all yet! And that, I think, is the basis of humanity. By having an abortion, I don't believe that you're being inhumane, but rather you might be doing the best thing depending on the situation you're in.So much to be said:P
c00kiem0nster95 1 month ago
@c00kiem0nster95 My problem with that is that there is a very good chance that the child will develop further and be born. And you are killing a living process and erasing that chance all together. Who are we to say that a certain child shouldn't have that chance to live?
meer8 1 month ago
@meer8 Who are you to say that a woman should have to carry out pregnancy, which carries tons of potential risk, for somebody else's life that she does not want?
Do you have to donate organs to save peoples' lives? Are you forced to donate blood to save peoples' lives?
ImFlareonBitch 3 weeks ago
@ImFlareonBitch I think a life > pain. Pregnancy and delivery is a very safe process these days. Statistical data show that barely more than 1% of abortions are done because the mother's life is in danger. That scenario is extremely rare and therefore should not carry any weight. No, but I have chosen to be an organ donor and a blood donor. Those arguments are fallacious and therefore not valid.
meer8 3 weeks ago
@ImFlareonBitch And might I add, delivery can be virtually painless in most cases today.
meer8 3 weeks ago
@meer8 says: Who are we to say that a certain child shouldn't have that chance to live?
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And, who the hell are YOU to say they all WILL live???
Sueezee1 3 weeks ago
@Sueezee1 VERY few of them would die or not make it to birth these days. They all won't live, of course. But, because the vast majority would live, abortion should not take all of those lives because very few wouldn't live. Think about what you are saying. You are proposing that millons of babies should be killed because a few of them wouldn't make it anyway.
meer8 3 weeks ago
@meer8 says: VERY few of them would die or not make it to birth these days.
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WHAT??? That has NOTHING to do with my question which you conveniently DIDNT answer. YOU ask "us", who we are to say certain child shouldnt live (meaning being aborted), i respond with, who are YOU to say that all WILL live, and THAT is your response. Why dont you answer my question & stop ranting w/ somehting thats meant to get my mind OFF it?
Sueezee1 3 weeks ago
@Sueezee1 How about you stop ranting and reread what I said. I did answer your question. No, ALL unborn babies won't make it, but the majority will.
meer8 3 weeks ago
@meer8 says: No, ALL unborn babies won't make it, but the majority will.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ LOl, the insanity of prolife never ceases to amaze me.
Sueezee1 3 weeks ago
@Sueezee1 You have yet to give any solid reason why. Statistical data proves that most babies still in the womb will make it to birth.
meer8 3 weeks ago
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@meer8 says: You are proposing that millons of babies should be killed because a few of them wouldn't make it anyway.
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WHAT??? Where did I say anything like that???? Not "make it"?? Which ones wont make it and why??? What are you talking about???
Sueezee1 3 weeks ago
@meer8 Not with my tax money. In the UK where I live we have way too many single mothers living on welfare benefits and their offspring usually wind up as serial criminals because most don`t have an adult male role model. Abortion should be encouraged for certain types of people by which I mean the underclass. No apologies for being politically incorrect about this.
hmwm67 3 weeks ago
@hmwm67 Do I sense a slippery slope? You can't link abortion to serial crime. You are saying that human life has no value because its economically inconvenient.
meer8 3 weeks ago
@meer8 Sorry but I don`t believe I should finance the degenerate lifestyles of the underclass, Abortion has no link to serial crime, in fact it allievates it by stopping many of these underclass criminal trash from being born in the first place. But I suppose my views offend your liberal sensabilities. Of course you are a young 20 something student..and your professors brainwash you into embracing every PC dogma under the sun! Wake up and smell the coffee!
hmwm67 3 weeks ago
@hmwm67
Most people are prochoice for the right reasons -- women's individual freedom and liberty. Someone like you comes along and well, shit happens, but if yer a vote for pro choice, hexl aint gonna holler that much, elections are about numbers.
Hexl702 3 weeks ago
@Hexl702 I am very pro choice at least during the first trimester. I do think however by the time of late pregnancy unless there are health issues the woman has already had enough time to make up her mind. I believe the majority of women would agree with me on this point. But women who can`t afford to financally support their baby should be actively encouraged to abort. The religious "pro life" wingnuts are in no moral position to whine about it due to all these clerical child sex abuse scandals
hmwm67 3 weeks ago
@hmwm67 PC dogma? I'm not pro choice. I'm pro-life. There is absolutely zero evidence that suggests that unwanted pregnancies are linked to crime. That was my point. Don't act like the underclass are the only ones who have unwanted pregnancies. Sure, they do have unwanted pregnancies. But in my experience, the middle class are just as bad.
meer8 1 week ago
@meer8 The middle class teenagers tend to be more careful. My 16 year old neice has had a steady boyfriend for a year now and she is not pregnant. Every couple of months she and her boyfriend visit my town to see me and I put them both up in the spare bedroom in my apartment. The underclass are more likely to have their babies because it helps claim more welfare and they get free housing from the government. My middle class neice wants to finish school get a degree and a nice job. Clever girl.
hmwm67 1 week ago
@hmwm67 part 2 And members of the underclass raised in single parent households are most likely to drift into crime. So the less of them that exist, the lower our welfare costs and the lower the crime rates will be. Returning to my neice, she knows everything about contraceptives and is way too smart to get pregnant because she has had a steady decent middle class 2 parent upbringing.
hmwm67 1 week ago
GO PRO-LIFE ! PRO- LIFE Is About Making Abortion ILLEGAL ! "Every Child Deserves A LIFE" STOP Killing Innocent Babies That Never Even Sall Daylight ! YOU Should Start Being PRO-LIFE. If Your Reading This, Yo Momma Went PRO-LIFE ! ACT, BE, THINK, PRO-LIFE !
Younggiesss 1 month ago
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~~~~~~~~~~~~ Billions also went "prochoice...so whats your point?
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Younggiesss 1 month ago
LOL what a loser of a strategery --digging a rotted corpse out of her grave!
Hell, why arent you pulling this racist crap onto Sarah Weddington or Linda Coffey - I bet you dont even know who they are. They argued and won Roe. LOL if there was some
diabolical plot to "exterminate blacks" - it wasnt Sanger who made abortion legal,
they did!
Roe was nver the law in Sanger's lifetime, and she was actually ANTI abortion - y'all
cant even keep your myths straight.
Hexl702 1 month ago
And I'm pro-choice of pedofils, not pro-rape of children.
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GladiatorShield 1 month ago
Obama's arguments apply to all kinds of things where he *opposes* people carefully thinking out their own decisions regarding what affects them. Consider his opposition to gun rights (where people take resp. for self-defense) or Obamacare (where people can no longer shop around for the best health plan for them) or School Choice (Obama opposes private schools that offer parents a choice in something as important as education!)
It's the empty rhetoric of an insincere pro-abortion propagandist.
horsie111 1 month ago
Obama defends late-term abortion for any reason by including the loophole "for the mother's health".
Now if the pregnancy needs to be terminated for medical reasons, birth can be induced and the child delivered. There's nothing gained from sticking a pair of scissors into its partially delivered body and sucking its brains out, as in PBA.
The very existence of late-term abortion proves the blood thirsty desire of abortions and evil women to kill even into the THIRD TRIMESTER.
horsie111 1 month ago
lol Silly :: pats little head:: . Hexl knows you clowns, Ive seen y'all up close for all 38 years of Roe.
This idea of "if we bring down Sanger, the whole structure collapses" --
The prochoice movement has MANY heros and heroines,
well, I dont worship
Sanger in a sheeplike religious way.
We dont hate an entity on account of its bad beginnings, hell, we would have to hate
America herself because she began with killing Indians and slavery. But America changed.
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702 You'll admit Sanger is an embarrassment. Perhaps because you feel embarrassment at her backward notions and disproven anti-scientific notions, but mainly because it's she's no longer useful to your cause - except by whitewashing her views, as in any pro-abortion pamphlet where you're forced to mention the origins of the abortion movement. You'd rather not, but abortion is built on lies and you're happy to lionize her nonetheless.
horsie111 1 month ago
@horsie111
I think George Washington is an embarassment, too. He was a slaveowner.
Sanger never performed
aboriton, she was actualy ANTI abortion -- but Ol George was a
DIRECT PARTICIPANT
in the evil that is slavery. ( hell it must be evil, pro-loofas compare abortion and slavery all the time )
I think ol George should likewise be taken off his pedestal -- none of this "founding father" and "father of our country " hooey.
Hexl702 1 month ago
@horsie111 I just said pro choice movement has MANY heros and heroines.
I dont lionize Sanger, you can't read what I just said ! You trust your own
beliefs, more than what we actually say!
LOl no wonder you clowns cant get any traction!
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702 quit ur "clowning"..."We dont hate an entity on account of its bad beginnings, hell, we would have to hate
America herself because she began with killing Indians and slavery" Uh, no...Actually America started based on FREEDOM. If you had an ounce of education on the matter you would know that slavery is as old as time, and the ones who BEGAN SLAVERY, with regards to America, WERE THE AFRICANS THEMSELVES! Blacks traded blacks in, much like Obama is doing with Blacks...
xcolompapi 1 month ago
@xcolompapi
LOLsilly - if you could read, you'd see I never said America invented slavery - i said
slavery was part of America's beginnings. Geo. Washington , the "father of our country" LOL more like " the owner of a hundred slaves". America didnt begin in freedom for blacks, did it?
You clucks are just ASKING for it, when ya'll compare abortion to slavery. So having a pro choice president, is pretty much the equivalent of having a slave owning president, eh?
Hexl702 1 month ago
And yet, Obama's pro-choice on almost no other issue - other than homogamy and abortion. He's anti-choice when it comes to everything else, so he obviously doesn't really believe in the principle of choice. Obama's using a nice sounding word like "pro-choice" to avoid the facts about abortion. This smug, hypocritical weasel doesn't even believe in his own label.
He's also happy than black women have 5 TIMES more abortions than whites. That must be a measure of how empowered they are, right?
horsie111 1 month ago
@horsie111
lol Silly! Roe is the law of the land. Obama HAS to enforce the right to choose, he cant NOT do it. So did Bush 41 and Bush 43.
This crap about "Obama is happy about abortion " is your juvenile, infantile projection of your emotions onto him. But then, thats about all the proloafers have.
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702 Obama has been a speaker at Planned Parenthood, and spoke to them in glowing terms. PP is the #1 abortion provider and its clinics are overwhelmingly in minority and poor neighborhoods. See the blackgenocide website
Obama's use of "pro-choice" functions to substitute for facts, since he's anti-choice on almost every issue: A sleazy hypocrite who exploits others' respect for an American-sounding ideal of "choice" to cover the reality of abortion. He doesn't apply it elsewhere.
horsie111 1 month ago
@horsie111
lol SILLY -- 63% of clinics s are in WHITE neighborhoods. Only some 9% are in so called black neighborhoods, and some 12% in Hispanic and 15% in mixed.
You guys have to lie and play the RACE card because you're desperate.
lol, putting whites on the defensive for black behavior -- on any realm besides abortion,
you'd rail at that for being a "lib tactic"
-- hell, youd screech like
someone was ripping YOUR arms and legs off.
Hexl702 1 month ago
@horsie111
LOL silly -- we arent for EVERY choice under the sun. But we are for this
PARTICULAR choice - the right to abort if you so choose.
If you silly bubs think abortion should be outlawed - fine, great - tell us
what the law would be and whats the punishment.
I sure dont hear any of the pro-lip candidates who want to take Obama's place,
spelling out what crime /penalty
they'd support!
Hexl702 1 month ago
Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned parenthood was quoted writing, "“The minister’s work is also important, and also he should be trained, perhaps by the Federation, as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea" She was talking about black ministers....Obama is such a minister...sad
xcolompapi 1 month ago
@xcolompapi ""we do not want the word to go out"""
LOL not THIS crap again! When you hate her, nothing's too ugly to accuse her of,eh?
Hell, it could mean she simply didnt want to be misunderstood. She thought birth control would be beneficial for black women, seeing how they died in childbirth at higher rates than whites at the time. If she could curtail that,
it wold be a good thing.
She thought other blacks could tell them better than she could. Whats wrong with that?
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702 wow...do I have a bridge to sell you...
xcolompapi 1 month ago
@xcolompapi
A white woman was a racist in 1916 -- WHO, which one, could you be a little more
GENERAL, please? lol
If Sanger was this big fat giant racist - having a black president and black woman in charge of her organization would really PISS HER OFF, wouldn't it? I think
the supposed racism has been refuted.
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702 this is exactly what she wanted, to fool, well, fools like you....mission accomplished!
xcolompapi 1 month ago
@xcolompapi
LOL - what did she "fool" me about ? Abortion is an individual choice.
Women dont
get abortions for "group" reaons, silly!
LOL - you believe black women get abortions because they hate blacks. That cracks me up.
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702 "Women dont get abortions for "group" reaons, silly!" You're right...pro-abort women get abortions, with silly reasons, from a "group"...LOL
The worst for of racism, against blacks, is to kill them....I never heard of anyone dying from the N-word...This is black on black violence....Mother on child violence...
xcolompapi 1 month ago
@xcolompapi
lol - You clucks crack me up. When blacks accused whites of "bringing AIDS into the
black community " or "crack" to turn blacks' minds against white people -- why,
Whitey was OUTRAGED! The very idea!
But "whitey brought abortion in" and you dips go "YEAH, now thats an idea I can get
behind!'
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702 Are u black? and are you ok with blacks being killed?
xcolompapi 1 month ago
@xcolompapi
How come there's never been a black president of Natl Right to Lite, or The American Lite League? Are they a bunch of bigots ? White leadership, all of them, white
as the KKK.
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702 and how come you can't answer a simple question? But anyway, to address your ignorance Rev Childress, Walter Hoye, and many others including Alveda King are head of organizations in support of the black community, and defending it's children...See, even if you were hypothetically speaking, right that it was only white leaders, it still would not matter, because your ideology comes directly from the KKK and nazis...Pro-life ideology does not turn a profit killing children =)
xcolompapi 2 weeks ago
@Hexl702 there is evidence that abortion was a product of eugenics, in this country....Not my fault that you've been brainwashed by "whitey"...lol
xcolompapi 1 month ago
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@xcolompapi says: there is evidence that abortion was a product of eugenics, in this country....
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LOl, legal abortion took place in this country (US) in the days of the pilgrims, and there was no desire for eugenics. But, that was great propaganda!!
Sueezee1 3 weeks ago
@Hexl702 are you "uncle ruckus"?
xcolompapi 1 month ago
@xcolompapi
The fact you dont like the reasons, have no bearing on a woman's ability to get one.
LOL -- this meme "Black women are murderers out of all proportion to their numbers,
just like their men"" --
You expect THAT message to resonate with black people? Good luck with that, LOL!
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702 Yeah you're right...it won't resonate but only with the paranoid "whitey-preaching" black racists out there...the majority of the educated ones will consider the words....They're not stupid, right? Ok, then...Let them see the stats for themselves...So because I love blacks and all ethnicities, that I don't want their numbers low or I don't want to see them dead...THAT makes me a "racist"!!???? HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! BTW I am a minority myself..LMBO!!!!!
xcolompapi 1 month ago
@xcolompapi
LOL silly --Your post says ""Black women are STUPID. Too stupid to see theyve been manipulated. Its up to WHITE people to set em straight."
But black women might not cotton to a buncha white people telling em how DUMM
and MURDEROUS they are, not against a backdrop of historical white smugness
and white superiority complex.
So prolickers are scrambling around for blacks to say it FOR them. Hmm, sounds
familiar" "We get a bunch of black ministers.. .."
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702 "LOL silly --Your post says ""Black women are STUPID. Too stupid to see theyve been manipulated. Its up to WHITE people to set em straight." really? When did I write that? or are you that paranoid that anyone who disagrees with your idiocy is a "whitey"??? Based on skin color you stereotype??? You racist....You're making us look bad...Just hush. This is why "whitey" thinks we're stupid....
xcolompapi 1 month ago
@xcolompapi ""This is why whitey thinks we're stupid""
LOL silly, that IS the message of the pro-lite clucks who play the race card ! They call blacks "brainwashed".
As if they dont wanna give black women one ounce of credit for knowing exactly
what theyre doing.
Hexl702 1 month ago
Abortion is not murder. How about quality of life/rights? You have an abortion because you cannot and will not RUIN lives(Your own, and every other person on the planet bc its another unwanted mouth to feed). I bet you anti-abortion people do not want to help pay for food stamps, care for an unwanted child, you eat meat, and are FOR the death penalty. The day a fetus can walk around on its own, able to contribute to society the way a full grown woman can, I'll weigh it as competition as you do.
somethought 1 month ago
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@somethought "I bet you anti-abortion people do not want to help pay for food stamps, care for an unwanted child, you eat meat, and are FOR the death penalty" Do that, do that, do that, (why not? I ain't no tree-hugging hippie!), and the last one is just an ignorant stereotype....If you are not carrying a baby in the womb, then you are NOT pregnant either....What is the need to make abortion "rare" if it is in FACT not a baby you carry???? Lotta things that make no sense...
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somethought 1 month ago
Thank god for Obama.
somethought 1 month ago
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@staum607 ""i would not choose to rape, i can respect the choice of others """
LOL we've seen snark from prolickers before. Its a failed tactic. Hell the class of '73
prolickers were playing this Arch Allusion bit where they pretend to support "choices".
We arent for every choice under the sun. But we are for this PARTICULAR choice-- the right to abort if you so choose.
Rape is a crime. Isnt that something - if we think something is bad enough, we make
it an actual crime.
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702 this "tactic" is designed to show the failed argument that, "because it is a difficult decision, etc it should be left up to the women and no one else should judge her". Simply because something is a difficult choice does not make the decision right. Personally I prefer to focus on what the baby is in debates though; if it is a person than abortion is murder, if it isn't then pro-lifers should get a life and leave others alone.
staum607 1 month ago
@staum607 ""the failed argument""
Well, dont be fooled by a 3 minute YT video. LOL I dont think thats his sole or main rationale.
We dont have forced pregnancy or mandatory maternity in the U.S. If the pro-loofas think we should --
tell us how youd force it.
We will stack that up against "safe, legal and rare," and see which one goes over better.
Hexl702 1 month ago
@staum607 ""i prefer to focus on what the baby is"""
Is it a person? We have circumstances where killing actual human beings, whose personhood is a given, is not a crime. Hell, sometimes its even
okay.
Hexl702 1 month ago
@mytwochildren1 says: Bottom line is that abortion is murder!
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NO, it is NOT. Why do you people LIE???
Sueezee1 1 month ago
I'm pro-choice, not pro rape. And the reason I say this is, I don't believe the man enters into this decision lightly. We don't know all that he is going through when making this decision and how difficult it is. So while I personally would not choose to rape, I can respect the choice of other to do so. I think we should be focused on simply reducing unwanted sexual encounters by providing resources and other options to men faced with this decision.
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Hexl702 1 month ago
@staum607 so you want to help, or give them the means to rape others?
xcolompapi 1 month ago
@mytwochildren1 Ok? Abortion is murder. What about all those innocent people who get murdered by the US military everyday?
Yeah. Explain that one.
IntoxicatedZombehh 1 month ago
@IntoxicatedZombehh war casualties, (lovely ppl, RIP) are not killed DELIBERATELY...THAT is the key word. A surgical/chemical abortion is done DELIBERATELY.
War can be justified in self-defense...Abortion on demand is never justified
xcolompapi 1 month ago
BIRTH CONTROL!
That's all if u don't noe how to use it then don't go in the bed! Done
CaliforniaGirl420 1 month ago
abortion is murder. scientifically. not a matter of faith at all. it is literally halting the metabolism of cells in order to eliminate an individual set of DNA that can never be exactly replicated. never. if you end the lives of those cells. you end the life of the whole organism. So literally if you think murder is wrong, then you think abortion is wrong as well.
apaquette117 1 month ago
@apaquette117 No, abortion is not murder, lol, no matter what you say/how you lie. You are correct in pointing out that the cell development is halted, and that set of DNA, which does not equal a human person at that stage! is eliminated and the organism or cellular development is ended. Boo fucking hoo. So a pregnancy is ended. A baby never forms. An unwanted, unvalued life is not created bc of an accidental knock-up, so no child ever suffers, or is unwanted. How is this a bad thing?
loathedanabhorred 1 month ago
@eastariel that has nothing to do with what I just said- context as in whether or not the women has any complications or the baby will have such defects that she/he will be in pain his/her life and whether or not it would be cruel to not have an abortion. That. Is context.
The nazis were cruel people who wouldn't have taken in context, because all they wanted to do was kill things where as abortion is mainly for the better of the mother.
svds42 1 month ago
@svds42
People often use euphemisms, propaganda, and rationalizations to commit murder. They simply change the name of their victims to non-humans.
eastariel 1 month ago
@svds42 "abortion is mainly for the better of the mother"
Says who, you? Guess what, you do not know as much as you claim to. This is a terribly judgemental statement. Many women who abort are already struggling to support families. They abort so they can take care of their children. Many women don't want kids, or can't care for them. They abort bc they recognize that they can't give a child what it needs. Abortions save unwanted kids from being tossed into the system or not cared for properly
loathedanabhorred 1 month ago
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Shadows fall on holy ground. Earthbound angels walk around,
wearing out your dusty clothes. Wandering angels, Heaven knows
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God can see you shining.
Every baby's holy birth lands a little angel here on Earth,
sheltered from the dark of day. Mother sings your fears away.
She sings God can find you, Heaven hears you,
God can see you shining.
eastariel 1 month ago
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Sometimes angels lose their way following the darkness of the day.
Cry the dust out of your eyes. You'll see we're all angels in disguise,
and God can find you, Heaven hears you,
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eastariel 1 month ago
Its ultimately the women's decision and no one should take away her right. Mainly, its not about the baby but more about the woman and the context.
svds42 2 months ago
@svds42
The nazis were pro-choice, too. They chose to commit genocide on the vulnerable members of their society. I guess they called it "context," also.
eastariel 1 month ago
@eastariel
Presumably the nation of Israel understands the Holocaust better than anyone else. Hell the nation owes its creation partly as a response to the german genocide.
Yet abortion is legal there. It may be more restricted than here, but its legal. Wonder why that is. Probably for the same reason we do -- theres just some things we dont want to force on people, we'd rather they exercise individual freedom.
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702
Israel also "chooses" to commit genocide on its Palestinian neighbors. It bombs crowded civilian areas, bulldozes their homes, destroys their agriculture, and fences them off their own lands.
Israel is not a model of morality. It is an ugly picture of what not to do.
eastariel 1 month ago
@eastariel
lol Holy shit an anti zionist who'd have thunk. If you really hate atrocities, be sure to denounce a few things that Palestinians have done to innocent civilians, even actual babies.
The palestinians want to finish what the nazis started. For you to invoke the holocaust is ridiculous.
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702
I'm not anti-anyone. I'm anti-murder.
Who cares what nationality someone is? Bombing innocent civilians repeatedly in one of the world's most densely populated areas, which happens to be walled off so nobody can escape, is called a war crime. That's what Israel is doing in Gaza. The United Nations has charged Israel with over 70 terrorist charges/war crimes.
I oppose war crimes. Do you?
eastariel 1 month ago
Here's how I see it. If you murder a pregnant woman, you get charged with double murder. So how is abortion not murder? The only exception should be rape, incest, or for the health of the mother.
Murray13j 2 months ago
@Murray13j "'kill a preg woman.. get charged with double murder"
Because a person who kills a pregnant woman, isnt exercising the same right she would be -- evading a pregnancy. Theyre not pregnant.
You do know that we dont always lodge murder charges for actual PEOPLE dont you?
Andrea Yates killed 5 kids, know how many she was convicted of killing ? Three.
Tim McVeigh killed 168 people, remember how many
he was executed for? Eight.
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702 I know what you mean but you should get what I'm trying to say. If killing a fetus/unborn child is murder, so should abortion with certain exceptions. That's just how I see it, even if it is someone else and not the mother. Abortion should be considered murder unless there was rape, incest, or the health of the mother is at stake.
Murray13j 1 month ago
@Murray13j """abortion should be considered murder"'
Looks like youll have to fight that all by yer lonesome. None of the pro-lip candidates out ther are proposing THAT.
For the 83498398484 time -- We'll stack up "abortion should be a murder charge"
against "safe, legal and rare,"
and see which one the people support.
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702 I'm not going to fight anything...I was just making a point. You don't have to agree.
Murray13j 1 month ago
@Murray13j
States that have fetal homicide laws - STILL differentiate it from abortion. It's not the
same thing.
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702 I know that.
Murray13j 1 month ago
@Murray13j "Abortion should be considered murder unless there was rape, incest, or the health of the mother is at stake." Regardless of the circumstances, which are none of your business anyway, aborion is NOT murder; so why would or should we falsely claim/pretend that it is? To make you happy? Well it isn't about you. If you don't like abortions, don't get one.
loathedanabhorred 1 month ago
@loathedanabhorred Abortion is without a doubt murder, whether the government sees it that way or not. Like I told the other guy, you don't have to agree, and I'm definitely not the only person who sees it this way. I don't see how you could falsely claim/pretend that killing another innocent living person isn't murder, regardless if the mother can take care of it or not. That's why there is adoption. It's not about you either chief, your opinion doesn't matter any more/less than mine.
Murray13j 1 month ago
@Murray13j It doesn't matter whether I agree or disagree with your false claims, it's not "murder" no matter what you say, or how many times you say it. And a fetus is simply not "a living person," no matter how many times you say so. And adoption isn't an alternative to pregnancy, this should be pretty clear. Nor does everyone agree w/ this option.
No, it's not about me, nor about you; people have human rights for a reason, no matter whether you think they should or shouldn't.
loathedanabhorred 1 month ago
@loathedanabhorred Obviously, by law, abortion isn't murder. That's been established. If a fetus isn't living, then how is it possible that it can feel pain when it's limbs and body parts are ripped out of the mother during an abortion? Adoption is easily an alternative to abortion. Exactly, people should have human rights...including the child living inside a woman. If you're okay with killing fetuses, that's fine, at least I know I have a conscience.
Murray13j 1 month ago
@Murray13j I hear what your saying, but what gives us rights? we gave our self rights. so I think we should give animals rights as well. I just don't see a difference between killing animals and killing a fetus. Niether have congnitive functions. All they have maybe is the feeling of pain. So whats the difference from killing the fetus and pumping cows full of steriods so they get so big they cant even walk. I am pretty sure they are going through pain.
EvironmentalistsEdge 1 month ago
@EvironmentalistsEdge I'm all against animal cruelty but you have to realize that animals are used for the purpose of food. It's kind of hard to argue for one side because I don't really know which way to go on that. They're used for food but you have a point about some being mistreated for that purpose. Also realize that a human and a cow are different.
Murray13j 1 month ago
@Murray13j well the way I see it as we don't need meat as a food source anymore. We did need it a time but not anymore and also meat is a contributer to the destruction of the environment. The only reason we see a human different from a cow is our inttelligence. Well again the way I see it as is our intelligence dont amount for nothing if the person is just going to amount to nothing. Of course we cant say wether or not that fetus will be a productive person when they grow up or not.
EvironmentalistsEdge 1 month ago
@Murray13j I am not anti abortion but I am not pro abortion. I feel I am some what a pro life person but not the way they see it. I am pro life in the long term. M There is this thing called the doubling time. It is the time it takes for something to double. The world populations doubling time is about 54 years. Meaning in 2066 our population on earth will double. Most abortion are for very good reasons such as they cant afford a baby, or they way to young, no father and in most cases
EvironmentalistsEdge 1 month ago
@Murray13j ends up in adoption. In a sense I would rather people adopt to stop population growth. But if people keep having babies that not going to help nothing. Our population will grow and now we have to kill more animals. So again I am not pro abortion,I am against the fact that people bitch about abortion when we have so many other problems. People just don't open there eyes enough. So what needs to be done is a fix for both problems.
EvironmentalistsEdge 1 month ago
@Murray13j People just don't open there eyes enough. So what needs to be done is a fix for
both problems. Whats the sense of saving babies when the will starv of survive at a cost
of our planet. All I want to do is promote a healthy enviromentally safe living. M y views may be fucked up i don't know
EvironmentalistsEdge 1 month ago
@Murray13j "Also realize that a human and a cow are different."
Of course a human and a cow are "different," thanks for that bit of wisdom. When are you going to realize, also, that a fetus and a fully developed human being are extremely different as well? Accordingly, they have differing rights..
loathedanabhorred 1 month ago
@loathedanabhorred A fetus becomes a fully developed human being so them being at two different stages in life obviously makes them different. There is no point in arguing over abortion, I'm not going to change my views and you aren't going to change yours. It's that simple. Have a nice day.
Murray13j 1 month ago
@Murray13j "A fetus becomes a fully developed human being so them being at two different stages in life obviously makes them different."
And an egg becomes a chicken. Doesn't mean it IS a chicken, does it? That is just an example, please don't go off pretending I'm comparing humans to birds :p
Thinking of a fetus as how it MAY be in the future is ridiculous and irrational. Stay in the present, we can't time travel or read the future. Try considering the people presently involved :p
loathedanabhorred 1 month ago
@EvironmentalistsEdge "I just don't see a difference between killing animals and killing a fetus." You can't be serious. Fetuses have no thoughts, no feelings, no awareness that they exist. . .While animals have complex social lives, emotions, feel pain and loss...How the hell do you equate a living animal to be on the same level as a fetus?
Animals are treated like absolute shit in our society, the animals we consume are treated like dead matter. Of course they feel pain. Fetuses do not.
loathedanabhorred 1 month ago
@loathedanabhorred Yes I know, its seems to me you are on my side. I dont agree with any animal being killed or anything being killed unless there is areal good reason. Killing animals to eat them is not a good reason. we don't need meat anymore. The point I was tryna get across is that I hate that there are so many people bitching about abortions when we have so many other fucking problems. No one gives a fuck about the environment these babies will have to live in but they
EvironmentalistsEdge 1 month ago
@EvironmentalistsEdge I know the main point you were getting across :) I'm glad you are knowledgable on the issue, and can think of this subject on a grander scale than your (generalized, not "you" as in you personally) own selfish judgements, like too many assholes. You're so right that there are way bigger issues than the termination of unwanted fetuses. People bitch and whine but don't look at the issue itself, the roots of the issue, and the best option for the majority, which is...
loathedanabhorred 1 month ago
@EvironmentalistsEdge ...personal choice. I think women should judge their own circumstances, not be told what to do to punish or belittle them. This has never been beneficial. People don't seem to understand that this planet supports our very existence, that without it, we do not survive. People think they're almighty superior and important, more so than our very resources! People don't seem capable of realizing that there may be nothing left for anyone in a few years, at the rate we're going
loathedanabhorred 1 month ago
@EvironmentalistsEdge You're right that it's just ridiculous these bloody fools are crying over a few less births when there are so many terrifying problems, actual issues, that we face. It's like they live in a hole in the ground. Economy has replaced ecology, everything is mass produced, including animals ppl eat. Food is treated like dead matter while money is revered, worshipped. So many ppl are so selfish, they can't comprehend life after their own demise, and care only about thier lives.
loathedanabhorred 1 month ago
@loathedanabhorred I could not have said it better my self. I am also glad to see that someone is on the same page I am.
EvironmentalistsEdge 1 month ago
@EvironmentalistsEdge Yes hon, we're not all complete idiots! :) Thanks for sharing your opinion, and considering real life instead of some fantasy land. All the best!
loathedanabhorred 1 month ago
@loathedanabhorred care about the babies that are not even babies yet. They are a fetus that don't even have brain functions. People are fucking greedy for the own personal agenda, there own personal opinion. It's what they care about. fucking ignorant of what really happening in these world. They don't give a fuck about man kind as a whole or the planet. They think they have all the rights to the planet and animals and plants get the shit end of the stick. It makes me sick.
EvironmentalistsEdge 1 month ago
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@EvironmentalistsEdge "care about the babies that are not even babies yet."
Exactly! So irrational and utterly insensible to cry over women's fertilized eggs, but not care about living people, human rights and real live babies. They actually don't give a fuck what happens to babies or children, or anyone but themselves! just want more and more to be born! They don't know why, except that they incorrectly consider that embryo as it MAY be in future time. Bunch of retards really.
loathedanabhorred 1 month ago
@Murray13j Nobody said that a fetus isnt living, don't make up stupid shit and try to argue it with me :P And a fetus doesn't feel pain, before 20-23 weeks, it has not developed enough to have that capacity---No Brain, No Pain. The majority of abortions are done before the 5th month. Many of us believe its more sensible and humane to prevent a baby from ever forming than to create an unwanted child that is a burden to its unwilling parent(s). Some of us think kids should be wanted, loved, valued
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@loathedanabhorred "And a fetus is simply not "a living person," no matter how many times you say so." -Your words. Now, I know you said "person," so before you attempt to insult my intelligence, a fetus becomes a person and is physically living. Just because it hasn't developed a brain yet doesn't mean we should just abort it. Just like the subject of abortion, the sides are split on whether a fetus can feel pain. It's been proven that they MAY be able to feel pain or a type of sensation.
Murray13j 1 month ago