So it baffles me how some are so easily acceptable of the idea that it would've been okay to keep Morgan in a seapen alone for the rest of her life had her release failed. Sorry, I don't agree with that backup plan. There was no guarantee that Morgan would've made it to join a wild pod and it was already well documented that the backup plan was a seapen, and although some of you might've hoped they would've provided her with an orca companion in the seapen, you may as well have kept dreaming.
Consider what it truly means to be an orca. What is it about orcas that make them the complex intellectual beings that they are? Is it because they live in the ocean? There's no doubt their wild habitat provides unmatchable stimulation and has helped orcas evolve, BUT do you think orcas would be what they are had they evolved as solitatry creatures? I highly doubt that. Their social complexity and culture is what makes them the superior predators that they are.
Everyone needs to remember that a release was POSSIBLE, but NOT PRACTICAL. Some of you say the Dolfinarium gave excuses why she couldn't be released. What do think her rehab team would've done had her release failed? You can bet they would've given any and all reasons to keep Morgan in a seapen had a release failed and she not been able to integrate and join a wild pod, and the "experts" would've backed them up. Then Morgan would've been forced to live in a seapen ALONE for the rest of her life.
Just an attempt of release her would have kill her too. She's not a toy: you just cannot put her in the wild and then in captivity again the next day because she didn't success. That would stress her so much: in Loro Parque they're constantly taking care of her.
I agree some with FreedomForOrcas. Harderwijk Dolfinarium didn't even try to distance themselves from Morgan. She is fresh genes and the captive killer whale population is desperately needing it. I'm not saying her rescue was wrong, nor do I believe she should be returned now that she's acclimated, but they introduced her to human contact as soon as possible. They knew from the start this was an animal that's going to stay in captivity.
@4theOrcas They had no other choice. She could barely swim or feed herself. Harderwijk rehab and release other cetaceans and the ones that can't go back stay there, they know what they were doing. They did try to distance themselves from her, but by that time, she'd already decided humans were good. They probably did know from the start she had no other chance, release for her would've been deadly.
Whether her calls were matched 100% or not.. An attempt was never made to reunite her..There was no intention on rehabilitating her and releasing her to the wild. I don't blame Loro Parque.. I blame Harderwijk Dolfinarium. Don't forget about Springer. Almost the same situation..
@cmason1759 She was so sick that she had to have constant care and she would've learned by this that humanes aren't things to stay away from. Springer is totally different. She wasn't nearly dead, we knew her exact family and even then her own mother's pod didn't take her back and she flips between pods. Springer didn't have as much human presence as Morgan had. Don't blame Harderwijk, they do brilliant work with Bottlenoses and Porpoises through rehab and release.
@IAmADalek - Springer in some ways was worse than Morgan. One, she was emaciated. Morgan was unhealthy and alone, yes, but she started feeding within an HOUR of being 'rescued'. Her time in cap. was unnecessarily long.
Two, you don't need direct relatives to be accepted back into a pod. Springer was accepted by her auntie. We just needed to find Morgan's community, which we did, and trained her for rehab, which was promised but never delivered. Money speaks louder than science.
@FreedomForOrcas Springer was worse than Morgan? Did you eve see photos of Morgan when she was found? She was emaciated, she was very sick and incredibly ill. You can see that in her photo's. She was wating because she was starving. Her time in captivity was essential to let her survive, protests and court prolonged Morgan's stay in Harderwijk and every time it was extended it lessened her chances of release. Springer doesn't swim with her aunt all the time.
@IAmADalek - You have not presented a single point that says Morgan was unreleasable. The Dolfinarium didn't even try to rehabilitate her, which was their JOB. And you seemed to miss the part where I said that she was feeding properly within an hour. According the reports of her health, all she had was worms and was a bit underweight. No joke.
Concerning Springer, that's a lot of assumptions you have there. If you read the sighting reports, she shows up with the exact same pod every season...
@FreedomForOrcas Springer switches pods and a lot of the time probably trails them. Train her for rehab when she needed to be kept afloat? When the only time she would eat was when it was literally put into her mouth? When she approached the trainers and sought out contact? They tried to keep a distance but she, by her choice, chose them. Money speaks louder than science, but science speaks louder than irrational thought.
@IAmADalek - cont'd, and she does not trail them. According to witnesses, Springer is a healthy and active member of the pod, and if she just trailed them all the time, you'd think after 5 years we would notice it. Springer was trained properly for rehab, and even though she tried to follow boats occasionally, her pod taught her proper behaviour. She is 100% fine now. This should've happened to Morgan, it's only because a marine park got her first.
@FreedomForOrcas What I'm saying is that Activists "Science" is a joke. It wasn't science in the slightest it was a "I don't like captivity, therefore she shouldn't be there regardless of her health or well being." Springer is not 100%, she still moves between the pods. It has been noticed and it has been talked about, but Anti's can't handle the fact that it didn't go 100%. If Morgan's chances had been good, then I might have changed how I speak, but it wasn't.
@IAmADalek - What in actual hell is "activists science"? Sounds like some bull term that you wanted to coin to make it seem worse than it actually was. Face it, you can use all the negative words you want, but the fact remains - the world's top orca scientists supported Morgan's release. Even people who WORKED for the Dolfinarium supported Morgan's release.
And I honestly doubt you'd ever speak out against anything a marine park did. Never.
@FreedomForOrcas exactly, over 40 international orca experts, including 4 who were employed by Dolphinarium Harderwijk themselves were fighting for Morgans rehab and release. Some people should face the fact that Morgan wasnt sent to Loro Parque because it was in her best interest, she was sent there because parts of the EC Directives are unclear and left loopholes in the legalities of it all.
@cmason1759 but Morgan was a special case and Orca's have such a strict hierarchy and you have to be 100% on the family without doubts for there to be a chance. Any attempt would've led to Morgan being stressed and probably getting ill again or starving. She will do well at Loro Parque and she'll live longer than a release attempt most likely.
@FreedomForOrcas Animal Rights = Greed. Animal Rights = Animal Cruelty, Neglect, Abuse. This is Morgan's home and Loro Parque Trainers and Whales are her family. If you can't understand this, stop watching these videos and go read some good Orca based books or forums.
@IAmADalek - You want to know what cruelty is? Ripping pods apart, forcing them to live a life confined in a small concrete tank, tooth drilling, forcing cetaceans to rely on small pieces of fish that they associate with performing, allowing these intelligent amazing creatures to become caricatures of their wild cousins simply for entertainment. Cruelty is paying to see these animals incarcerated in a tank, and cruelty is standing by and doing nothing about it.
@FreedomForOrcas So letting Morgan on the beach to suffer a long and painful death, when her life can be save, just to avoid living a full life with her own kind in captivity is not cruelty?
@kaorca - If you knew Morgan's case, then you'd know that wasn't going to happen. Her calls were nearly 100% matched with a Norwegian orca community. The location of Sto was chosen for the seapen to be set up with the support of all the townsfolk. Not only that, but a team of the world's best wild orca biologists were working behind Morgan in a rehabilitation effort.
Morgan was betrayed by the captivity industry for nothing but money and profits. It is a mockery of justice and science.
@FreedomForOrcas If you knew Morgan's case, her calls were not matched to any specific pod but there were similarities with them all. The location may have been picked with townsfolk consent, but the governments in Norway were unlikely to want another Keiko in their shores. Not only that but a team of the worlds worst Activists supported her rehab that would've killed her. Morgan was given life and health by captivity. Live with it.
@IAmADalek - That's incorrect, her calls were matched approx 98% to the Norwegian orca community, and a further 77% (7 out of 10) calls were matched specifically to P pod. Actvists can still support something, that doesn't mean it'll have an effect on the outcome. You make the mistake of ignoring the many experts (4 of which were handpicked by the Dolfinarium themselves) who supported Morgan's release. The activists had absolutely no role concerning rehabilitation.
@FreedomForOrcas You want to know what cruelty is? Letting an animal who is used to humans swim alone and starving until she died, risking her life from boats as she seeks human contact and food. Forcing her to scavenge or not eat all is cruelty. Standing at the sidelines and complaining at places that are giving her a chance at life when she was more than 90% likely to have died had she been released. Cruelty is donating to charities who have nothing to pay for except bills.
@IAmADalek - And how can you say that with absolute certainty? You would be completely arrogant and naive to think that you know exactly what would've happened. NO ONE would know until SOMEONE tried. The Dolfianrium refused to try. Heck, they trained her to accept dead fish from day 1. They brought her in on a rehab and release permit, and didn't even attempt it. The industry doesn't care about stranded dolphins, but you can believe the lies being spoonfed to you. Good on you.
@FreedomForOrcas You are aware there is a law that does not allow feeding of live vertebrates to predators in Europe? Baby in Germany is the only animal that's an exception to that rule. We do know because we know a hell of a lot about Orca society. The Dolphinarium didn't refuse, they knew it wouldn't work. There are certain things that make an animal like Morgan unreleaseable. You can believe the lies spoonfed to you.
"give Morgan her freedom back." If captivity never intervened in the first place and took her freedom away, she would be DEAD. She would have rotted away on the ocean surface without a single piece of subsistence. Freedom was days away from killing her. Her last memories of it are not good ones. Captivity definitely turned that around for her whether you like it or not. Her trainers are her family now and will be forever.
@RingneckDoveFan - Captivity didn't need to intervene. People did. You make the mistake in thinking that captivity is the ONLY thing that will save a stranded dolphin. It's not. Morgan's case could've been exactly like Sprniger's, she did NOT need to go to the Dolfinarium (just a seapen). Did you know that Morgan started feeding normally within an hour of being 'rescued'? The amount of time she spent in cap. was exaggerated so the industry could turn around and say "sorry, it's been too long".
So it baffles me how some are so easily acceptable of the idea that it would've been okay to keep Morgan in a seapen alone for the rest of her life had her release failed. Sorry, I don't agree with that backup plan. There was no guarantee that Morgan would've made it to join a wild pod and it was already well documented that the backup plan was a seapen, and although some of you might've hoped they would've provided her with an orca companion in the seapen, you may as well have kept dreaming.
ICFushiPanda 1 month ago 2
Consider what it truly means to be an orca. What is it about orcas that make them the complex intellectual beings that they are? Is it because they live in the ocean? There's no doubt their wild habitat provides unmatchable stimulation and has helped orcas evolve, BUT do you think orcas would be what they are had they evolved as solitatry creatures? I highly doubt that. Their social complexity and culture is what makes them the superior predators that they are.
ICFushiPanda 1 month ago
Everyone needs to remember that a release was POSSIBLE, but NOT PRACTICAL. Some of you say the Dolfinarium gave excuses why she couldn't be released. What do think her rehab team would've done had her release failed? You can bet they would've given any and all reasons to keep Morgan in a seapen had a release failed and she not been able to integrate and join a wild pod, and the "experts" would've backed them up. Then Morgan would've been forced to live in a seapen ALONE for the rest of her life.
ICFushiPanda 1 month ago 4
manteneis a morgan cautiva y le negais reunirse con su familia , por favor liberarla, yrestablecer su estatus natural.
lizardte01 1 month ago
Just an attempt of release her would have kill her too. She's not a toy: you just cannot put her in the wild and then in captivity again the next day because she didn't success. That would stress her so much: in Loro Parque they're constantly taking care of her.
Corkian 1 month ago 2
I agree some with FreedomForOrcas. Harderwijk Dolfinarium didn't even try to distance themselves from Morgan. She is fresh genes and the captive killer whale population is desperately needing it. I'm not saying her rescue was wrong, nor do I believe she should be returned now that she's acclimated, but they introduced her to human contact as soon as possible. They knew from the start this was an animal that's going to stay in captivity.
4theOrcas 1 month ago
@4theOrcas They had no other choice. She could barely swim or feed herself. Harderwijk rehab and release other cetaceans and the ones that can't go back stay there, they know what they were doing. They did try to distance themselves from her, but by that time, she'd already decided humans were good. They probably did know from the start she had no other chance, release for her would've been deadly.
IAmADalek 1 month ago
Whether her calls were matched 100% or not.. An attempt was never made to reunite her..There was no intention on rehabilitating her and releasing her to the wild. I don't blame Loro Parque.. I blame Harderwijk Dolfinarium. Don't forget about Springer. Almost the same situation..
cmason1759 1 month ago
@cmason1759 She was so sick that she had to have constant care and she would've learned by this that humanes aren't things to stay away from. Springer is totally different. She wasn't nearly dead, we knew her exact family and even then her own mother's pod didn't take her back and she flips between pods. Springer didn't have as much human presence as Morgan had. Don't blame Harderwijk, they do brilliant work with Bottlenoses and Porpoises through rehab and release.
IAmADalek 1 month ago
@IAmADalek - Springer in some ways was worse than Morgan. One, she was emaciated. Morgan was unhealthy and alone, yes, but she started feeding within an HOUR of being 'rescued'. Her time in cap. was unnecessarily long.
Two, you don't need direct relatives to be accepted back into a pod. Springer was accepted by her auntie. We just needed to find Morgan's community, which we did, and trained her for rehab, which was promised but never delivered. Money speaks louder than science.
FreedomForOrcas 1 month ago
@FreedomForOrcas Springer was worse than Morgan? Did you eve see photos of Morgan when she was found? She was emaciated, she was very sick and incredibly ill. You can see that in her photo's. She was wating because she was starving. Her time in captivity was essential to let her survive, protests and court prolonged Morgan's stay in Harderwijk and every time it was extended it lessened her chances of release. Springer doesn't swim with her aunt all the time.
IAmADalek 1 month ago
@IAmADalek - You have not presented a single point that says Morgan was unreleasable. The Dolfinarium didn't even try to rehabilitate her, which was their JOB. And you seemed to miss the part where I said that she was feeding properly within an hour. According the reports of her health, all she had was worms and was a bit underweight. No joke.
Concerning Springer, that's a lot of assumptions you have there. If you read the sighting reports, she shows up with the exact same pod every season...
FreedomForOrcas 1 month ago
@FreedomForOrcas Springer switches pods and a lot of the time probably trails them. Train her for rehab when she needed to be kept afloat? When the only time she would eat was when it was literally put into her mouth? When she approached the trainers and sought out contact? They tried to keep a distance but she, by her choice, chose them. Money speaks louder than science, but science speaks louder than irrational thought.
IAmADalek 1 month ago
@IAmADalek - cont'd, and she does not trail them. According to witnesses, Springer is a healthy and active member of the pod, and if she just trailed them all the time, you'd think after 5 years we would notice it. Springer was trained properly for rehab, and even though she tried to follow boats occasionally, her pod taught her proper behaviour. She is 100% fine now. This should've happened to Morgan, it's only because a marine park got her first.
FreedomForOrcas 1 month ago
@IAmADalek - cont'd... are you saying science is irrational? What a joke.
FreedomForOrcas 1 month ago
@FreedomForOrcas What I'm saying is that Activists "Science" is a joke. It wasn't science in the slightest it was a "I don't like captivity, therefore she shouldn't be there regardless of her health or well being." Springer is not 100%, she still moves between the pods. It has been noticed and it has been talked about, but Anti's can't handle the fact that it didn't go 100%. If Morgan's chances had been good, then I might have changed how I speak, but it wasn't.
IAmADalek 1 month ago
@IAmADalek - What in actual hell is "activists science"? Sounds like some bull term that you wanted to coin to make it seem worse than it actually was. Face it, you can use all the negative words you want, but the fact remains - the world's top orca scientists supported Morgan's release. Even people who WORKED for the Dolfinarium supported Morgan's release.
And I honestly doubt you'd ever speak out against anything a marine park did. Never.
FreedomForOrcas 1 month ago
@FreedomForOrcas exactly, over 40 international orca experts, including 4 who were employed by Dolphinarium Harderwijk themselves were fighting for Morgans rehab and release. Some people should face the fact that Morgan wasnt sent to Loro Parque because it was in her best interest, she was sent there because parts of the EC Directives are unclear and left loopholes in the legalities of it all.
TheFrogster235 1 month ago
@TheFrogster235 - Thank you! And agreed completely. Money inevitably won over science in this case.
FreedomForOrcas 1 month ago
@cmason1759 but Morgan was a special case and Orca's have such a strict hierarchy and you have to be 100% on the family without doubts for there to be a chance. Any attempt would've led to Morgan being stressed and probably getting ill again or starving. She will do well at Loro Parque and she'll live longer than a release attempt most likely.
IAmADalek 1 month ago
Such a cool video! Glad to see Morgan with everyone like that. Been even better if Adan was in there =]
kifaeriewench 1 month ago
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This is not Morgan's home. You are not Morgan's family.
Do something right for a change and give Morgan her freedom back. Captivity = GREED.
FreedomForOrcas 1 month ago
@FreedomForOrcas Animal Rights = Greed. Animal Rights = Animal Cruelty, Neglect, Abuse. This is Morgan's home and Loro Parque Trainers and Whales are her family. If you can't understand this, stop watching these videos and go read some good Orca based books or forums.
IAmADalek 1 month ago
@IAmADalek - You want to know what cruelty is? Ripping pods apart, forcing them to live a life confined in a small concrete tank, tooth drilling, forcing cetaceans to rely on small pieces of fish that they associate with performing, allowing these intelligent amazing creatures to become caricatures of their wild cousins simply for entertainment. Cruelty is paying to see these animals incarcerated in a tank, and cruelty is standing by and doing nothing about it.
FreedomForOrcas 1 month ago
@FreedomForOrcas So letting Morgan on the beach to suffer a long and painful death, when her life can be save, just to avoid living a full life with her own kind in captivity is not cruelty?
kaorca 1 month ago
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@kaorca - If you knew Morgan's case, then you'd know that wasn't going to happen. Her calls were nearly 100% matched with a Norwegian orca community. The location of Sto was chosen for the seapen to be set up with the support of all the townsfolk. Not only that, but a team of the world's best wild orca biologists were working behind Morgan in a rehabilitation effort.
Morgan was betrayed by the captivity industry for nothing but money and profits. It is a mockery of justice and science.
FreedomForOrcas 1 month ago
@FreedomForOrcas If you knew Morgan's case, her calls were not matched to any specific pod but there were similarities with them all. The location may have been picked with townsfolk consent, but the governments in Norway were unlikely to want another Keiko in their shores. Not only that but a team of the worlds worst Activists supported her rehab that would've killed her. Morgan was given life and health by captivity. Live with it.
IAmADalek 1 month ago 2
@IAmADalek AMEN!!!
sparklywindsield88 1 month ago
@IAmADalek - That's incorrect, her calls were matched approx 98% to the Norwegian orca community, and a further 77% (7 out of 10) calls were matched specifically to P pod. Actvists can still support something, that doesn't mean it'll have an effect on the outcome. You make the mistake of ignoring the many experts (4 of which were handpicked by the Dolfinarium themselves) who supported Morgan's release. The activists had absolutely no role concerning rehabilitation.
FreedomForOrcas 1 month ago
@FreedomForOrcas You want to know what cruelty is? Letting an animal who is used to humans swim alone and starving until she died, risking her life from boats as she seeks human contact and food. Forcing her to scavenge or not eat all is cruelty. Standing at the sidelines and complaining at places that are giving her a chance at life when she was more than 90% likely to have died had she been released. Cruelty is donating to charities who have nothing to pay for except bills.
IAmADalek 1 month ago
@IAmADalek - And how can you say that with absolute certainty? You would be completely arrogant and naive to think that you know exactly what would've happened. NO ONE would know until SOMEONE tried. The Dolfianrium refused to try. Heck, they trained her to accept dead fish from day 1. They brought her in on a rehab and release permit, and didn't even attempt it. The industry doesn't care about stranded dolphins, but you can believe the lies being spoonfed to you. Good on you.
FreedomForOrcas 1 month ago
@FreedomForOrcas You are aware there is a law that does not allow feeding of live vertebrates to predators in Europe? Baby in Germany is the only animal that's an exception to that rule. We do know because we know a hell of a lot about Orca society. The Dolphinarium didn't refuse, they knew it wouldn't work. There are certain things that make an animal like Morgan unreleaseable. You can believe the lies spoonfed to you.
IAmADalek 1 month ago
"give Morgan her freedom back." If captivity never intervened in the first place and took her freedom away, she would be DEAD. She would have rotted away on the ocean surface without a single piece of subsistence. Freedom was days away from killing her. Her last memories of it are not good ones. Captivity definitely turned that around for her whether you like it or not. Her trainers are her family now and will be forever.
Loro Parque - you guys are doing an amazing job!
RingneckDoveFan 1 month ago
@RingneckDoveFan - Captivity didn't need to intervene. People did. You make the mistake in thinking that captivity is the ONLY thing that will save a stranded dolphin. It's not. Morgan's case could've been exactly like Sprniger's, she did NOT need to go to the Dolfinarium (just a seapen). Did you know that Morgan started feeding normally within an hour of being 'rescued'? The amount of time she spent in cap. was exaggerated so the industry could turn around and say "sorry, it's been too long".
FreedomForOrcas 1 month ago
ist das wunderschön.
XXkfhXVhj 1 month ago
so sweeet
KaChan1992 1 month ago