h22 is not better than k20. if anyone knows their shit about hondas like they say they do then they would know that. h22 powerband is way to short to keep up with k20...also k20's vtec advances timing as it climbs up the rpm, h22 doesnt....learn something!
@vtecnegro85 I agree and disagree...I agree because H22 does have super short powerband naturally,,,However...With the right cylinder head setup that can change drastically....If you ask me FUK K series and H series....B series is cheapest for the power
@k20egcw do u not know anything about hondas?? Y would they call it a k24(k2.4) if its a 2.0 liter??????????? its a 2.4 bottom end with a 2.0 head, or some people just take the internals of the head out of the 2liter head and put them in the 2.4liter head, cause thats pretty much the only diff.
@JGADSON WTF are you talkin about yo? Your right, I dont know anything about honda's, I've just been building them for 5-6yrs lol. This post is old as shit and you expect me to answer why I wrote something?
Taking what out of what head and putting it into the K24? The only reason for putting any thing into a K24 head is if your making a non K24a2 into a vtec killer setup since they dont have true iVTEC. The K24a2 head and the K20a2 yeah are almost identical.
@raidacaipo your wrong. k20a2s with bolt ons make around 220-230 NO h22 breaks 200 horses with just "slight mods" ive seen h22's with s2pro2's and mild port and polishe make what a stock k20 with i/h/e and kpro make (220-230)
lol are you serious? they only make around 205-210 with bolts on.. every K swap civic have I/H/E because its mandatory. They dont usually use stock parts to make the swap work. Including fuel rail, header etc.. Im talking about h2b not h22.. a stock h2b with stock headers modified will make at least 200whp and more torque than the a2.. torque is everything man. Thats why many gut their cars out so it pulls.. you can get a h22 type S motor, go h2b, tune it and get more than 220hp 171tq!
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@raidacaipo man your an idiot if u REALLY wanted to do a completely STOCK swap u can use a TSX stock header a type r stock ECU and a stock RSX fuel rail. your point? i can show you a stock k20a2 with i/h/e and kpro that made 238 here hes a local guy. you are retarded what do you think an H2B is? H22 motor and B seires tranny the tranny DOES NOT affect HP readings which is what im tralking about no STOCK intake header exhaust jdm h22 brakes 200 HP.
Do you actually own a h2b or a k20a2 swap? if not then dont talk.. I own a h2b and my friend drives a a2 where which we use back and forth to go the gym everyday. We always switch cars so I know what Im talking about.. stock a2 my ass.. that shit probably has a RBC manifold, rmf headers or rcrew headers and a $1000 kpro.. which all adds up to about $8-10k. and horsepower isnt everything man. You should already know that if you drove a honda.
what facts are you stating? just cuz you know a local guy from the internet or something? lol a tsx stock header and type R ecu will not make 220-30hp so thats bullshit.. youll be lucky if you can even make 200whp with those stock mods.. an h2b can make 200whp with just a B tranny and stock mods and a s300 tune or chrome.. and it cost 3 times less... thats why they call it the k killer.. and it has more options for tuning such as RBC manifold using a QSD adapter plate. learn some facts about h2b
K Killer??? a turbo d-series turbo can be called a k-killer as well. if you guys want to talk about dollar/hp...d-series turbo is the way to go...get rid of all your n/a builds...We all know that n/a builds aint cheap...gotta pay to play...
Im done trying to educate you.. a K series is nice but for the price? hell no... youll learn one day if you decide to get one or the other.. I personally would get a jdm k20a or k24a2 if I had the money. But in the meantime my h2b is more powerful than a k20a2 with less the cost.. Case CLOSED!
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@raidacaipo LOL educate me your the on who needs a little schooling on things thinking adding a bseries tranny will make power WTF ARE YOU SMOKING you got to be retarded to think gearing adds power. NO H22's can break 200 with bolt ons thats it ive seen ppl with H2B's with an h23 blue top motor with sick intake manifold injectors intake header exhaust and still didnt break 200, H2FAIL
Wait so a tranny dont make a difference? have you ever tried racing a b18c type R motor with an ls tranny? Same thing with an h22 and its stock transmission. This is why the h2b is popular because the h22 is a stronger engine than the k20a2's and the B series transmission is better than the K and the H. The B series transmission is probably the best transmission made by honda and many would agree with me. So a B series tranny mated with an H engine makes a huge difference.
@562daybid it does make a difference but does not INCREASE power, no h22 is stronger than any k's k20s can withstand alot alot more than h22's h22's have shitty ass sleeves there for they are weaker. k's are able to withstand up to 650+ stock blocks. k20s are more advanced in each way. they are chain driven they have VTC better gearing 6 speed tranny great with bolt ons the h22 is in inferior and is using 20 year old technology it is a dead end motor.
but we are talking street build here and money. Isnt that what you and raidacapo was arguing about? any motor can make power but it takes money. In the case of the K20a2, the h2b can outperform it, give more torque, and have more potential which cost less. Even the h22a euro R out performs the jdm k20a R. Imagine you take that stock h22a euro R and mate it with a b18c type R transmission. You have yourself a beast with half the cost of the jdm k20a and with more torque!
@562daybid i have nothing more to say you can keep telling yourself that the h2b is better cool thats YOUR opinion now facts are this k20>h2b tell me what motor is running in the NA streetoutlaw class and dominating and u come back and tell me plz.. there is no h22 that can break 200 horses with just bolt on's.
wow you really are quiet ignorant. h2b is a budget build. My whole argument is that you can gain K performance or greater with the h2b which cost less. Your whole argument was that h2b sucks and with minor bolts ons, it cannot achieve 200whp. You are wrong my friend. Shops who professionally race at the tracks have money to sponsor a built k20, k24. Why would they waste it on a h22 if they can build watever they want? K's are nice but for the price and power, Nope. h2b ftw for street guys.
look up all the h2b videos on youtube of it being on a dyno. Just bolts ons and a tune and you get 200 or more whp. Why dont you get your head out of your ass and do some research. I've done mines and I know both sides of the story. K vs H. If you want stock vs stock. Take a h22a type S or euro R engine and mate it with a civic or integra type R tranny. 220hp stock and 163tq at 2.2 liters and you think it wont break 200whp with a B tranny and a tune in a civic? lol your crazy.
@d00mofhumanity Doooode shut the fuck up already. You sound like a fucking idiot. If you love K so much why dont you post up some videos of it. All you've been doing is posting up stupid facts that doesnt even make sense. You dont know wtf youre talking about. All h2b I seen so far hit 12's
@d00mofhumanity wow says the idiot whos name is doom of humanity. Maybe your one of those in the closet fags thats why your name means something. You cant make babies with another man. This name is to make fun of fags like you. Besides you dont know wtf your talking about when it comes to honda motors. You wish you had a K series but your a window shopper.
@d00mofhumanity look at all these people giving you a dumbs down. maybe your use to people putting you down so its normal to you. It means your an idiot! You dont know what the fuck your talking about when it comes to honda motors.
Did you know that the sleeves used in the H motors (FRM) or Fiber reinforced metal are also the same used in the nsx 3.2 liter motors? Also the sleeves were used because honda did not intend to bore out or use it for boost applications. therefore the sleeves are pretty strong alone for n/a applications. With the reinforcement the sleeves generate lower friction than traditional iron liners, which translates to improved revolutions, power and reduced wear. So the h22 dont have "shitty sleeves"
@raidacaipo i can drive on the freeway at 70 little over 3k :] the cost of gas and flowing with traffic is cheaper.. unless its a track car that gets to be pulled around.
trust me.. I have an h2b motor with just header and exhaust. The manifold is still stock and I still pull on my friends eg k20a2 tuned on K pro.. Dont believe me? I dont care.. just go and drive one for yourself then you will see.. however I dont doubt the jdm k20a motors or the k24a2 tuned with type S tranny and head... those motors are beast!! why? because they push out so much torque.. the k20a 2.0 liter pushes out the same amount of torque as the jdm h22 2.2 liters.. thats crazy
h2b isnt even on the same level
d00mofhumanity 1 year ago
h22 is not better than k20. if anyone knows their shit about hondas like they say they do then they would know that. h22 powerband is way to short to keep up with k20...also k20's vtec advances timing as it climbs up the rpm, h22 doesnt....learn something!
vtecnegro85 1 year ago
@vtecnegro85 I agree and disagree...I agree because H22 does have super short powerband naturally,,,However...With the right cylinder head setup that can change drastically....If you ask me FUK K series and H series....B series is cheapest for the power
EBE316 5 months ago
raidacaipo sure talks alot of junk but doesnt turn the end result that the H2B lost to the K. is that the H2B spray nos also?
aznyangboy 1 year ago
i have a h2b integra with h22a euro-r and s80 itr tranny. hell yeah!!
juanox10 2 years ago
h2b haters
jdmontheway 2 years ago
Its not a K24 frankenstein, its a straight 2.0
k20egcw 2 years ago
no, it is a frankenstein swap
hmoob704 2 years ago
@k20egcw do u not know anything about hondas?? Y would they call it a k24(k2.4) if its a 2.0 liter??????????? its a 2.4 bottom end with a 2.0 head, or some people just take the internals of the head out of the 2liter head and put them in the 2.4liter head, cause thats pretty much the only diff.
JGADSON 1 year ago
@JGADSON WTF are you talkin about yo? Your right, I dont know anything about honda's, I've just been building them for 5-6yrs lol. This post is old as shit and you expect me to answer why I wrote something?
k20egcw 1 year ago
Taking what out of what head and putting it into the K24? The only reason for putting any thing into a K24 head is if your making a non K24a2 into a vtec killer setup since they dont have true iVTEC. The K24a2 head and the K20a2 yeah are almost identical.
k20egcw 1 year ago
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pttrvwj 2 years ago
h2b is the shit
jdmontheway 2 years ago
nice....H2B is just a band aid....when they realize they should of bought a K
1fstHF 2 years ago
wow k20 won?? what mods to the k20 and what mods to the h2b?
raidacaipo 2 years ago
correction:k24/k20 with rbc,bolt on's kpro untuned, h2b w/ported head...other mods unknown.
teamshinobi 2 years ago
k now it makes sense.. because every k20a2 I know so far will get spanked by a slightly modified h2b.. but 2.4 vs 2.2 is a different story
raidacaipo 2 years ago
I've raced him before in the past with the k20a2...and him with the stock head...similiar results as the video shown...
teamshinobi 2 years ago
@raidacaipo your wrong. k20a2s with bolt ons make around 220-230 NO h22 breaks 200 horses with just "slight mods" ive seen h22's with s2pro2's and mild port and polishe make what a stock k20 with i/h/e and kpro make (220-230)
d00mofhumanity 2 years ago
lol are you serious? they only make around 205-210 with bolts on.. every K swap civic have I/H/E because its mandatory. They dont usually use stock parts to make the swap work. Including fuel rail, header etc.. Im talking about h2b not h22.. a stock h2b with stock headers modified will make at least 200whp and more torque than the a2.. torque is everything man. Thats why many gut their cars out so it pulls.. you can get a h22 type S motor, go h2b, tune it and get more than 220hp 171tq!
raidacaipo 2 years ago 4
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@raidacaipo man your an idiot if u REALLY wanted to do a completely STOCK swap u can use a TSX stock header a type r stock ECU and a stock RSX fuel rail. your point? i can show you a stock k20a2 with i/h/e and kpro that made 238 here hes a local guy. you are retarded what do you think an H2B is? H22 motor and B seires tranny the tranny DOES NOT affect HP readings which is what im tralking about no STOCK intake header exhaust jdm h22 brakes 200 HP.
d00mofhumanity 2 years ago
Do you actually own a h2b or a k20a2 swap? if not then dont talk.. I own a h2b and my friend drives a a2 where which we use back and forth to go the gym everyday. We always switch cars so I know what Im talking about.. stock a2 my ass.. that shit probably has a RBC manifold, rmf headers or rcrew headers and a $1000 kpro.. which all adds up to about $8-10k. and horsepower isnt everything man. You should already know that if you drove a honda.
raidacaipo 2 years ago 5
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@raidacaipo please refrain from talking till you can actually state facts
d00mofhumanity 2 years ago
what facts are you stating? just cuz you know a local guy from the internet or something? lol a tsx stock header and type R ecu will not make 220-30hp so thats bullshit.. youll be lucky if you can even make 200whp with those stock mods.. an h2b can make 200whp with just a B tranny and stock mods and a s300 tune or chrome.. and it cost 3 times less... thats why they call it the k killer.. and it has more options for tuning such as RBC manifold using a QSD adapter plate. learn some facts about h2b
raidacaipo 2 years ago 8
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@raidacaipo LOL good bye your a waiste of time replying thinking a bseries tranny is going to ADD power. l8r
d00mofhumanity 2 years ago
k20a2 = 200hp and 146tq
h22a=200hp and 161tq..
Yeah I guess you can say the k20a2 is more powerful.. WHAT AN IDIOT...
raidacaipo 2 years ago 5
@raidacaipo adding a bseries tranny does not give you power, RBC is also a bolt on for the kseries...
d00mofhumanity 1 year ago
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teamshinobi 1 year ago
@raidacaipo
K Killer??? a turbo d-series turbo can be called a k-killer as well. if you guys want to talk about dollar/hp...d-series turbo is the way to go...get rid of all your n/a builds...We all know that n/a builds aint cheap...gotta pay to play...
teamshinobi 1 year ago
Im done trying to educate you.. a K series is nice but for the price? hell no... youll learn one day if you decide to get one or the other.. I personally would get a jdm k20a or k24a2 if I had the money. But in the meantime my h2b is more powerful than a k20a2 with less the cost.. Case CLOSED!
raidacaipo 2 years ago 6
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@raidacaipo LOL educate me your the on who needs a little schooling on things thinking adding a bseries tranny will make power WTF ARE YOU SMOKING you got to be retarded to think gearing adds power. NO H22's can break 200 with bolt ons thats it ive seen ppl with H2B's with an h23 blue top motor with sick intake manifold injectors intake header exhaust and still didnt break 200, H2FAIL
d00mofhumanity 2 years ago
Wait so a tranny dont make a difference? have you ever tried racing a b18c type R motor with an ls tranny? Same thing with an h22 and its stock transmission. This is why the h2b is popular because the h22 is a stronger engine than the k20a2's and the B series transmission is better than the K and the H. The B series transmission is probably the best transmission made by honda and many would agree with me. So a B series tranny mated with an H engine makes a huge difference.
562daybid 2 years ago 7
@562daybid it does make a difference but does not INCREASE power, no h22 is stronger than any k's k20s can withstand alot alot more than h22's h22's have shitty ass sleeves there for they are weaker. k's are able to withstand up to 650+ stock blocks. k20s are more advanced in each way. they are chain driven they have VTC better gearing 6 speed tranny great with bolt ons the h22 is in inferior and is using 20 year old technology it is a dead end motor.
d00mofhumanity 2 years ago
but we are talking street build here and money. Isnt that what you and raidacapo was arguing about? any motor can make power but it takes money. In the case of the K20a2, the h2b can outperform it, give more torque, and have more potential which cost less. Even the h22a euro R out performs the jdm k20a R. Imagine you take that stock h22a euro R and mate it with a b18c type R transmission. You have yourself a beast with half the cost of the jdm k20a and with more torque!
562daybid 2 years ago 3
@562daybid i have nothing more to say you can keep telling yourself that the h2b is better cool thats YOUR opinion now facts are this k20>h2b tell me what motor is running in the NA streetoutlaw class and dominating and u come back and tell me plz.. there is no h22 that can break 200 horses with just bolt on's.
d00mofhumanity 2 years ago
wow you really are quiet ignorant. h2b is a budget build. My whole argument is that you can gain K performance or greater with the h2b which cost less. Your whole argument was that h2b sucks and with minor bolts ons, it cannot achieve 200whp. You are wrong my friend. Shops who professionally race at the tracks have money to sponsor a built k20, k24. Why would they waste it on a h22 if they can build watever they want? K's are nice but for the price and power, Nope. h2b ftw for street guys.
562daybid 2 years ago 5
look up all the h2b videos on youtube of it being on a dyno. Just bolts ons and a tune and you get 200 or more whp. Why dont you get your head out of your ass and do some research. I've done mines and I know both sides of the story. K vs H. If you want stock vs stock. Take a h22a type S or euro R engine and mate it with a civic or integra type R tranny. 220hp stock and 163tq at 2.2 liters and you think it wont break 200whp with a B tranny and a tune in a civic? lol your crazy.
562daybid 2 years ago 4
@562daybid .....thats wussup!!!!! H2B FTW
KILLERBJDMEF8 2 years ago
@d00mofhumanity Doooode shut the fuck up already. You sound like a fucking idiot. If you love K so much why dont you post up some videos of it. All you've been doing is posting up stupid facts that doesnt even make sense. You dont know wtf youre talking about. All h2b I seen so far hit 12's
TheGayGuy 2 years ago
@TheGayGuy your gay, your inferior.
d00mofhumanity 2 years ago
@d00mofhumanity wow says the idiot whos name is doom of humanity. Maybe your one of those in the closet fags thats why your name means something. You cant make babies with another man. This name is to make fun of fags like you. Besides you dont know wtf your talking about when it comes to honda motors. You wish you had a K series but your a window shopper.
TheGayGuy 2 years ago
@d00mofhumanity look at all these people giving you a dumbs down. maybe your use to people putting you down so its normal to you. It means your an idiot! You dont know what the fuck your talking about when it comes to honda motors.
TheGayGuy 2 years ago
@TheGayGuy your gay, its been scientifically proven you have smaller brains than us carry on your buttsecks
d00mofhumanity 2 years ago
H22's with nothing more than a throttle body and header are breaking 200whp buddy ;)
fpsraab 2 years ago
Did you know that the sleeves used in the H motors (FRM) or Fiber reinforced metal are also the same used in the nsx 3.2 liter motors? Also the sleeves were used because honda did not intend to bore out or use it for boost applications. therefore the sleeves are pretty strong alone for n/a applications. With the reinforcement the sleeves generate lower friction than traditional iron liners, which translates to improved revolutions, power and reduced wear. So the h22 dont have "shitty sleeves"
562daybid 2 years ago 5
@raidacaipo i can drive on the freeway at 70 little over 3k :] the cost of gas and flowing with traffic is cheaper.. unless its a track car that gets to be pulled around.
1990prodigy 1 year ago
again...a d-series turbo makes way more power and costs way less...
teamshinobi 1 year ago
trust me.. I have an h2b motor with just header and exhaust. The manifold is still stock and I still pull on my friends eg k20a2 tuned on K pro.. Dont believe me? I dont care.. just go and drive one for yourself then you will see.. however I dont doubt the jdm k20a motors or the k24a2 tuned with type S tranny and head... those motors are beast!! why? because they push out so much torque.. the k20a 2.0 liter pushes out the same amount of torque as the jdm h22 2.2 liters.. thats crazy
raidacaipo 2 years ago 6
K20 FTMFW!!
k20egcw 2 years ago