Khaatam-an-Nabiyyeen (خاتم النبیین) - Ahmadiyya Interpretation

[PakistaniAhmadi]

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جزاکم اللہ

[book3378]

quran aur sunnat kay kaafi nahein they ki allah taala kise aur shaksh ko bejta.the fact of the matter is that quran makes it clear there will be no sort of any revelation after the person of Prophet Muhammad.

[kingtest1]

@book3378

jab tum maante ho ke Isa ibn maryam wapas ayeen ge to tab bhi je sawal karo ge?

[book3378]

@kingtest1 I don't believe in the second coming of Isa(AS).

[kingtest1]

@book3378 good then you dont belive in that what muhammad saw said. he said in a lot of hadith about second coming of jesus. and the coming od he imam mahdi.

what you dont understand is, is that their coming is not necessary to bring new law, but to bring the ummah back to the islam of prophet (saw) and to clean islam from bida'at

[book3378]

@kingtest1 1: look I believe that hadith literature contains pearls of wisdom but it is also true that the hadith literature is not error free.the second coming of jesus is not an ordinary event it should have been mentioned in the quran.The Qur'an mentions many things that suggest that Jesus was not going to return.one has to believe that another person was to come from God after Muhammad, alaihissalaam, belief in whom was to be an integral part of Muslims' faith.

[kingtest1]

@book3378 look you are making a mistake here. in you theory somen can ask, why we have t pray FIVE times in a day? th quran doesn´t say how many times you schould pray. Allahs talks often about the sala´at but never mentioned how often! so you cannot say i only believe in things which are written in quran. actually in my opinion the right way of praying is much more important than second coming of Isa (as). but there are no details about it.

thats the mistake of the ahle-quran firqa.

[book3378]

@kingtest1 the sunnah is not based on ahadith,it has been transmitted through as authentic a source of Qur'an and is, therefore, beyond dispute. That is the sunnah which has been transmitted to us through an unbroken chain of continued practice passed on from one generation to another, referred to as sunnah mutawatirah.The formal prayer (salat) is the most obvious example.the details of salat are not mentioned in the quran because the people knew it.i am not ahle-quran,i also respect hadith.

[kingtest1]

@book3378 look i was in hostel with an shia. and his prayer was oppesite to my. i pray 5 times a day ( at least i try..may allah help me) this shia prayed two rakaats without praying any words in his tounge. he only did the moves and say that this is the right prayer. is this authentic sunnah? other example shia islam allows prostitution and call it Nikāḥ al-Mut‘ah. in paksitan and india alot of muslims pry on the graves (darbaar) of old ulemas. is this authentic sunnah? i call this shirk

[book3378]

@kingtest1 no doubt,there are people who do things in the name of islam which have no basis in islam.A religious practice should be followed by all practising Muslims, not some or many, in all parts of the Muslim world in order for it to qualify as Sunnah.

[kingtest1]

@book3378 look we both say that there are bidat in islam. we both say that quran sunna and hadith are the solution of it. only difference is that i say i leader is necessary to reinstitute the law of Muhammad and you say it would happen automatically. so i see that in the last 15 hundred years aftere the khulfae Rashideen, the islamic ummah getting worse. so i jeoined a group which avoid bidat, and on that day when all bidaat disappear automatically i can think ybout it ok.wasalam

[book3378]

@kingtest1 you are entitled to your views,I pray to God to guide both of us.wasaalam

[kingtest1]

@book3378 may allah bless you because you discuss without abusing, last but not least, i only want to say that dont forget, that there are also Ahadith youbut quran in the Tafsirulquran-chapters of bukhari and muslim. that hadith are important for understanding odquran because the prophet (saw) explained quranic verses also in ahadith. so as far i understand you also respect the hadith is tell you. we also not believe in hadith which are contradicting with sunnah and quran, but in others we must

[book3378]

@kingtest1 the book of God and the sunnah of his prophet has been preserved,we only need to deliberate on these two sources to clean Islam from unislamc practices.the muslim scholars have been trying and are trying to present the true islam,we don't need a messiah for what is the duty of muslim scholars.

[kingtest1]

@book3378 can you understand my position. i understand that you belive in hadith but you say that such an important thing like returning of Isa (as) must be written, but the salat is also important. so we belive also in hadith. we Ahmadiyya Mulims put quran first. second is sunnat and hadith. ieverything in sunna or hadith which is not contradicting with quran we believe it. we must believe it. so what do you thing about this

wasalam

[kingtest1]

@book3378 if you think that my point with the prayer is wrong, just look at some ahl-e-Quran. they invented new sort of prayer in the lifetime of Hzrat mirza ghulam ahmad. they had a weird salat with only two rakaat, whatever because they dont follow hadith. look at shia, they also reject thebukhari and Muslim etc. if you look with open mind you will see that Ahmadiyya Muslim jamaat has no bidaat in islam. ok you dont believe in the messiah. thats you opinion but we live islam like quran.

[book3378]

@kingtest1 the Qur’an has been received by the ummah through the consensus of the Prophet’s Companions (rta) and through their perpetual recitation, the Sunnah has been received by it through their consensus and through their perpetual practice and stands validated like the Qur’an in every period of time through the consensus of the ummah.sunnah is not based on ahadith.those who ignore the sunnah should also ignore the quran both have reached us through the same source.

[book3378]

@kingtest1 2:If we accept that proposition then we will also have to accept that the Qur'an was, God forbid, an incomplete book of religious guidance, because it doesn't mention anyone coming from God belief in whom was important for a Muslim.the narratives of the advent of Mahdi do not conform to the

standards of Hadith criticism set forth by the muhaddithun. Some of them are weak and some fabricated.

[kingtest1]

@book3378 just look to the examples i give you Nikāḥ al-Mut‘ah, shirk at the graves of ulemas, self punishing in shia, terrorism, etc is this a bidaat free islam???

as you see we have alot of bidaat in islam. and now someone comes and bring you back to the sunnah of prophet muhmmad (saw). back to the sunnah. this is our belive. when you admit that there is bidaat, someone must bring sunnah and quran back to the people.

[book3378]

@kingtest1 3:no doubt, some narratives, which are acceptable with regard to their chain of narration, inform us of the coming of a generous caliph; however, if they are deeply deliberated upon, it becomes evident that the caliph they refer to is ‘Umar ibn ‘Abd al-‘Aziz (d. 101 AH) who was the last caliph of the early history of the Muslims. This prediction of the Prophet (sws) has thus materialized in his personality word for word. One does not need to wait for any other Mahdi now.

[book3378]

@kingtest1 4: i believe that the quran and the sunnah of the prophet saw is enough to clean islam from bida'at.

[PakistaniAhmadi]

@book3378

I am sorry for delayed reply - but I appreciate that you have asked your question in an honest fashion. May Allah bless you for that. Other friends have also tried to answer you in detail.

میں خلاصةَ بیان کر دیتا ہوں۔ ہم تمام مسلمان قرآن اور حدیث کو ہر کتاب پر ترجیح دیتے ہیں۔ اور ہر اس حدیث کو نبی کریم ﴿ص﴾ کی طرف سے مانتے ہیں جو قرآن کے مخالف نہ ہو۔ پس مسییحِ موعود کا عقیدہ حدیث میں واضح طور پر بیان ہے، جبکہ قرآن بھی اسکی تاءید کر رہا ہے۔

﴾جاری ہے۔۔۔﴿

[PakistaniAhmadi]

@book3378

﴾بقیہ حصہ﴿

پس اس صورت میں امام مہدی کا عقیدہ اسلامی تسلیم کرنا ہوگا ۔ اگر تو حدیث میں ہوتا مگر قرآن میں ثبوت نہ ہوتا تو ہم بھی اس عقیدہ کو سچا تسلیم نہ کرتے کیونکہ نبیٴ کریم ﴿ص﴾ کبھی قرآن کے خلاف بات نہ کرتے تھے۔ اگر آپ کو مزید دلائل کی ضرورت ہے تو میں آپ سے بذریعہ ای میل رابطہ کر سکتا ہوں۔

PakistaniAhmadi@gmail.com - اس پر رابطہ کر لیں

If you didn't understand Urdu, then I would be happy to rewrite for you in English. But if you want we could have a detailed discussion through email.

[Luqmanb04]

@PakistaniAhmadi next part kab dalengay ?? barae maharbani jaldi dalna >>>

[PakistaniAhmadi]

@Luqmanb04 AOA - I did not add the whole speech, because mtaOnline1 uploads all speeches delivered by Hudhur-e-Anwar. For this reason I didn't upload, because it is better for mtaOnline1 if there aren't multiple videos of what they upload. I uploaded this one to send a clear message to all.

May Allah Bless you.

[Luqmanb04]

@PakistaniAhmadi ::mashaallah :: sukriya jazak allah allah aap ko deen aur dunia ki hassanat sai nawaze ..

khuch non ahmadi musalmano ko mainne hazoor kai khitab kai lia bulaya the hazoor kai is khitab ki CD chahte the allah aap ko jazae khair atta kare aap nai mere mushkil hal kar de ....

[sulemanahmad1]

salam where is the first part

plz uplode the whole speech without parts thanks

[PakistaniAhmadi]

@sulemanahmad1 Wasalam - MTA uploads the entire speeches themselves. I just uploaded a smaller portion so that people could directly hear the words of Promised Messiah (as) regarding those who oppose him.