A lot of people think that Adventists are a cult, just like some of the real cults. Being peculiar does not mean that you are a cult. You will find people in EVERY denomination who are fanatics, but it doesn't mean that you can judge a denomination by that. Not all Adventists will be saved, and there will be people who are not Adventists who will be, who never kept the Sabbath at that. Thing is each person will be responsible for the light that they receive. Even so, come Lord Jesus.
This video only shows that other churches are grappling at straws, trying to put the Adventist church in a bad light. Seriously larrencole! Check out the famous people from other denominations, including yours, and then we will talk. At least you don't see these people speaking for Adventists. Stop the hating already!
Oh and also another famous person whos an adventist was the guy in the natorious photo of the raising of the flag on iwo jima holding up the bottom of the flag, the guy to the far right in the picture
S.D.A is a cult hand down, i went to that church, i know what they teach, i'm trying to open some of the members eyes but the paster and elders keep fulling their heartsalking with fear, talking about "Gods faithfull commandment keep church will be save" if you're not in one with there teaching they look down on you, they're so proud hearted, trying to plz God with there works, jesus is the sabbath my friend, don't make them fool you.
@classiq876 we do not praise God with our works unless you think giving tith is a form of that which is not wrong because the bible says that we are to give 10% of our ernings to God lol im pretty sure you have not attended an SDA church ever
@blademaster11121 there go one of the proud hearted S.D.A cult memeber, not one of my parents ever put foot in your church, i've a family of my own, and i visit s.d.a church often to worship and open up people like you eyes to the lie that is within the church, i worship at verious church, God is not going to send no one to hell if theyr'e not apart of the s.d.a church. are worship on sunday. there is so much mislead people in your church its a shame.
@classiq876. You should research what the Catholic authority said about the Adventist church in a document called "Rome's challenge". It surprised me. Man, it puts the Adventist denomination in it's right place.
Are you serious? You need to stop saying things like this because you know very well that you are not speaking the truth. Adventists don't believe that works can save them, and you know that. Check out famous people from the other religions and then we can really talk.
@Yoo67Toob there goes one more, go pray that God take away all that pride out your heart, did you know that pride is a sin? friend all the work you work you wont get in heaven, do you read gal 3:9-14, do you read the n.t.? yea they only keep you in the o.t. to brain wash your head more. i'm not a Catholic, not one of my family is a Catholic, so there you go judging, you live to judge, you live thinking you know everthing ellen g. white tell you all there is to life, lol yea i know.
@Yoo67Toob Did you know that you have a pope, that you worship ever saturday? yes her name is ellen g. white she is your God, she is the jesus S.D.A. talking about at church you did'nt know? oh you where thinking its the jesus from the bible? sry it not, now go and pray to ellen g. go worship your God.
@classiq876 You are such a liar. Unfortunately youre the least of our worries. Satan is waaaay ahead of you. Our biggest battle is within not without. Your description you jus gave of Adventist actually describes samoan people in my opinion, you think maybe your bias opinions have clouded your judgement? Im jus sayn... Cause you are ALL wrong. your description is actually defining a flawed human being but then again who is flawless? Do you not try and please your parents by your actions?
@colombus66 They said Prince was a SDA, he was misinformed by the same site I read it from. Prince was and is a Jehovah's Witness. Never a SDA. Can you immagine Prince knocking at you door giving out pamplets ! It's true.
I don't think it is wise to brush the whole SDA church as bad....their are truly born again members of the Seventh day adventists.....yes their are some problems but their are born again Christians in the SDA....yes you certainly do not want to put Ellen G White writings ahead of the Bible...that would be wrong...but I do not know of many SDA's that do that...
One of the main problems I have with SDA us their belief in E.G.White. They place her writings ahead of the bible which I can not and will not ever do which is to place the writings of any human before God's Holy bible. I refuse to worship a human at any time no matter who they are. I worship only God the Father and His Son and my Lord and Master Jesus and they only will I ever worship[.
@Fitzlight62 as an adventist,i can asure you that the majority of us do not place egw above the Bible,and any that do are in grave error and dont do it in public.however,there are many denominations,that have special writings fromspecial memebers of their church.smith wigglesworth for the pentecostals,kenneth hagin for certain non-denoms,billy graham for baptists and other mainstream protestants.just because a church has its own Bible commentary doesnt mean they put it above God's Word.
@charliebuck1000 I don't know anything about Smith Wigglesworth.. but, Kenneth Hagan is a heretic.. and Billy Graham is a Neo-Evangelical whom preaches a watered-down Gospel. Both of whom are in grave error.
Mormons, JW's, SDA.. all CULTS. All try to make their members believe if they should leave the church, they're an apostate whom will be lost forever. They put all emphasis on "the church" and none of the saving grace of Christ. They say you cannot be truly saved unless you're saved at their church and a lifetime member.
Cult-speak manipulation in which, they play on the Biblical ignorance of their members. If their members knew the Word of God, they'd know their teachings are false and corrupt.
@margovallen friend, im not sure which youtube video you got your information from, but you are wrong. the sda church embraces people of other churches and as an adventist, i can say with great confidence that there will be people in heaven that never heard of the Sabbath.there will be people in heaven that never stepped foot in an adventist church.so before you go casting stones,please at least try to get some accurate information based on truth and not what you see on the internet.God bless .
@charliebuck1000 I don't get my information from any videos per the SDA church. I go to different websites. I am not casting stones. I have read quotes from Ellen G.White's writings. I have read information from people who know.If you think you'll see people from other Faiths in Heaven, you're a rarity. Frankly, doctrine is paramount and God knows exactly what we believe and it that doesn't line up with what He intends, that makes us unbelievers.The SDA does not teach all truth.
@margovallen well friend ,no church teaches all the truth,because unfortunetly,we are all tainted by sin.take the easter bunny for example.seems harmless fun for children,until you actually research the history and see that it has to do with orgies and fertility rites for the pagan goddess ishtar.and yet every easter the local baptist church has its annual egg hunt,to honor its "traditions." and while correct doctrine is very important,relationship with God is the most important.thats truth.
@charliebuck1000 Being tainted by sin and teaching Biblical Truths are two different issues entirely. All the Easter and Christmas things are moot. Are you wearing a wedding ring? Thats Pagan rooted. Besides, we surely do not teach our children anything that is to do with 'orgies and fertility rites.'
If a person doesn't know proper and accurate Biblical Doctrine, how can that person have the right relationship with God?
@margovallen as a matter of fact friend ,i do not wear a wedding ring for that simple fact. you can have all the biblical knowledge in the world , but no relationship with Christ, and you have nothing,look at the pharisees.ask yourself,if you know that something is rooted in paganism,would God want you to honor it in any way?the relationship with God is what leads to correct doctrine,not the other way around.if God says do this or dont do that,my relationship with Him determines my actions.
@charliebuck1000 Good for you. I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and sound knowledge of Biblical Doctrine. I am able to have a relationship with God is because I have an understanding of His Word via the Holy Spirit. I trust solely in Jesus Christ for my Eternal Salvation and no one else. That means that I don't trust in myself for any part of it, just solely on God. It is through Faith.. not works, that we are saved.
@margovallen if my actions are contrary to what the Word of God specifically says,then my relationship isnt where it should be.being tainted by sin means that no church is able to gather all the truth.the only way we can even come close is indepth study of God's Word by the leading of the Holy Spirit.again,you say that you have studied the sda online,you do good,but if you seek truth,then do it in an unbiased way with the Holy Spirit guiding you,not your own understanding.God bless you.
@charliebuck1000 If we allow the Holy Spirit to lead, guide and direct us unto Biblical Truths, thats the only way we are going to get those truths. But, we must be saved in order to have the Holy Spirit in the first place, to guide us to those truths, proper and accurate interpretation of Gods Word. You can think and say what you please. There are plenty of churches teaching Gods Truths, accurately. Not adding to, nor taking away from His Word. The SDA isn't one of those.
@margovallen can you give examples of how the sda have added to or taken away from God's Word. also i am not adamant about keeping the Sabbath,Christ in me is.i have been convicted that the Sabbath of the old testiment is the same Sabbath of the new, and that the 10 commandments are still valid,only written in a more intimate place,my heart.if you study God's Word through the eyes of john calvin or ellen white,you do yourself a diservice.what does james 2:14-26 mean to you?
(cont) Per James 2:14-26 - Has nothing to do with having works in order to be saved.. but, having works after the fact. Why do so many people try to prove that salvation is at least partially through works and use this passage in James 2?
Answer : they are using their own intellect, in lieu of allowing the Holy Spirit to guide them. Therefore, they misinterpret the scripture taking it completely out of context.
Keeping the Sabbath was to the Jews in the Old Testament.. the old Law.
@margovallen i read the link you sent me,and honestly i dont see the added to or taken away part. i see the Sabbath being attacked.by the way ,the Sabbath doesnt save anyone.i see the concept of an eternal hell being promoted,although that is a doctrine that is in contention with many mainstream churches,but most americans only see it from there little perspective,as if southern baptists are the only church.i see a lie that sda believe its elders are the144,00....cont...
@charliebuck1000 You don't see the 'adding to or taking away?' Well, have you read any of the writings of Ellen G. White? She contradicts Jesus Christ. The Sabbath doesn't save anyone.. but, you're missing the point. You keep the Sabbath why? Because if you do not keep the Sabbath, you think that effects your Salvation, yes?
Are you telling me that SDA's believe in a literal Hell or not? Why do SDA preachers hold a tent-service and never tell the public they're SDA?
@margovallen friend,how many "tent services" have you been to, really? you are exposing your source of information when you repeat what you have read on an anti-sda site.the Sabbath has nothing to do with my salvation,my relationship to Christ and submission to His will does. if you have been convicted of something by the Holy Spirit, and you refuse to accept it,whatever it is,playing lottery, too much soda,whatever,what happens to your relationship after rejecting what God has told you?
@charliebuck1000 I've been to ZERO SDA tent services. Yes, I read something online per whenever an SAD speaker or pastor is going to be preaching to the open public, they never reveal their denomination. I can go to an anti-anything site. Anti-Christian, etc. That does not dilute nor refute anything I'm saying here. U are a member of the SDA church and perhaps your whole family is? I understand your position regarding this matter. Catholics, JW's, Mormons all do the same thing.
@margovallen the point of getting your information about a group online,especially an anti-group site,is that 1-its second hand at best,2-completely biased,and 3-not always accurate.im a deacon in my church,not that it matters,but the truths that have been revealed to me are from the Holy Spirit.the article you sent me said itself,that if sda would just drop the Sabbath,they would be ok,maybe peculiar,but ok.so it seems that most people are actually attacking the Sabbath instead of the church.
@margovallen i see truth that the remnant isnt here yet.thats what sda believe,contrary to a few websites opinion.i see an attack on baptism by emersion and the age of accountabilty,which are both Biblical truths.and i see a thinly veiled pro-catholic attempt to mis-inform.works do not save you,that is a gift if God,works do however show that you are obedient to God.you can have works without love and faith,but you cant have faith and love without works.you didnt answer my ? about the churches .
@charliebuck1000 I didn't answer you question about the churches? Please ask it again.. in lieu of bombarding me with one thing after another. Slow it down, ok? Thanks! :-)
@margovallen sorry,the question was,of the churches you mentioned that teach accurate Biblical truth,how many contentions and disagreements do they have with each others interpretations?
@charliebuck1000 There are many churches nowadays, that corrupt the scriptures. They're in all denominations. However, the SDA has always been wrong.. and it's blatantly obvious to anyone of whom reads, knows and understands Gods Word. Just like the JW's and the Mormons.
Think about all of the 'Word-Faith' (name it, claim it) bunch. They teach the Bible.. but, a corrupt interpretation. They make the Bible conform to themselves, in lieu of conforming themselves to the Bible.
@margovallen then can you give me a solid example of where the sda have always been wrong,or at least give me an example of 1 of those plenty of churches that teach Biblical truth.the mormons,teach that they can become gods,blasphemy.the jw's teach that Christ was a created being,thereby deminishing the cross,again,blasphemy.but the sda,preach Jesus,His blood,and only His blood.any works ,including the Sabbath or not stealing,are an outward manifestation of Christ within.
@margovallen friend, if you want to know the truth about what sda believe, i would be glad to share it with you in an honest and humble way.dont rely on websites to glean all of your knowledge,as sometimes they may have ulterior motives.if you truly are seeking the truth about adventists, just ask one.God bless you.
@charliebuck1000 I am not 'gleaning' anything. Seems you are unfamiliar with the beliefs of your own denomination. Its not like the elders of your church are going to let you know that. They are doing all of the "interpretations" of all the scriptures.. and they pass that onto you. You're a member of their church and therefore, you swallow it all hook, line and sinker.. without question.
So, why would I desire for you to tell me the truth of what the SDA's teach/believe?
@margovallen wow,when did this conversation turn venomous?i see that no matter what i say,you already have preconceived notions that and dont really give a crap about what i have to say.you just want to give me a sound "dressing down."im no sheeple blindly following where my ears are tickled. that smug attitude doesnt become you,and doesnt allow the Holy Sprit into this conversation.it seems you dont have a very high opinion of me.im sorry for that.by the way,rom 14 is the same as col2.
@charliebuck1000 I didn't know this conversation had turned 'venomous' as perhaps the things I am conveying are what you deem as such? I didn't realize my attitude was 'smug' as I have tried to speak truths as I understand them to be.
U are naturally in the place of defending yourself.. your church and its teachings. The SDA Church has been accused of lots of corruption and heresies, even 'Cult' status. There are obviously, reasons for this. I don't think its a conspiracy.
(cont) None of anything I say.. conveys an opinion of you. Frankly, you seem very nice and polite. I know that you love God and I also know that you believe you're in a wonderful church. Sometimes, we cannot see the trees, for the forest.You're telling me that you're an elder in the SDA Church.. and you are totally unaware of anything I've mentioned.. or those two links/sites I've sent you have mentioned?
(cont) Per Col 2 & Rom 14 : Literal in OT Law, Figurative in NT. Thats Old Testament Law you're pleading. Being that they're mentioned in the New Testament and under the New Covenant, don't you think they take on a different? I mean, we are no longer under the curse of the Law yet, these passages are in the NT. So, we cannot distinguish the different types of Sabbaths or Laws as, If we have broken one Law, we've broken them all, yes?
@margovallen i took it as offensive to me personally when you said that im unfamiliar with my churches beliefs and that i believe whatever the church elders say,as im sure anyone would under similar circumstances.implying that i dont search the scriptures myself and allow the Holy Spirit to teach me is also offensive.the attitude that you have shown ,i.e.,swallow it hook ,line and sinker,is a smug position,and its sad that i actually have to explain that to you.
@charliebuck1000 And rightfully so. But, does that really change anything? Think about this : its one thing to be ignorant of ones churches true beliefs. But, its another to be fully aware.. and continue forward with them.. if those beliefs are contrary to the Word of God.
Do you think I'm pulling my information out of the air? How much of what I've mentioned or else the sites I sent you the links to have mentioned that you disagree with? :-)
(cont) Please know and understand the fact that, I have no beef with you.. but, also think about how upset you will be.. how betrayed and even violated you will be.. if/when you understand what the SDA are really all about. You''l be insulted alright.. but, you seem pretty intelligent and level-headed... so, my guess is that you'll direct that toward those of whom are rightfully deserving of your disdain.
@margovallen i understand your stance,but i again have to point out,that the beliefs that are controversial in the sda church,can all be backed with scripture.some beliefs that are shared by the majority of mainstream Christianity ,honestly come from a shallow understanding of the hebrew and greek,and a willingness to ignor context.you see my church as heretical for embracing the Sabbath,but catholics can worship mary,pentecostals can babble nonsence, and anglicans can embrace gay preachers?
@charliebuck1000 The controversial beliefs in the SDA Church *cannot* be backed up with properly and contextually interpreted scriptures from the Word of God. Thats the problem with many churches.. misinterpreted scriptures.
Did you catch what I'd said per Col 2 & Rom 14 NT meanings?
You do know the leaders of the SDA have changed their positions on several accounts on several issues, yes? So, I will ask you : who does that? A church that is well-grounded in THE Word of God?
@margovallen friend,first, im no church elder,just a simple deacon.second,could you please give an example of a church that hasnt changed its position on anything.apparently, from your own words ,thats a sign of a church that is well-grounded in the Word of God.so please,give an example.thanks.God bless. also,once again regarding proper interpretation,it benefits tremendously, if you have a grasp of the original languages,not just what king james' scribes say the word means.
@joyful1ize I love Adventists... just as I love all people and hate no one. I hate satan and his false-doctrine cult religions that take people to Hell.
@margovallen Many of those people who are critical of the SDA church should thank Us for the right to voices their beliefs, worship who they choose. Those who have Religous Liberty can directly relate it to our work in that field. So that being said, even though I do not like the negative things said about us, we respect your right to say it. May GOD bless all those who truly seek HIM, all the rest we are praying for you. Come visit us, See for yourself WHO we are!
@garyglen You respect my right to spread the TRUTH about the SDA church? Because the "negative" things I've said about the SDA church is ALL TRUTH.
Perhaps, its the negative truth you have issue with but, are too prideful to allow it to persuade you to further investigate.. comparing what Ellen G. White has to say vs what Jesus Christ has to say.
It goes way up and beyond a mere difference of opinion on which day we should worship. If that were the case, I wouldn't see a problem.
@margovallen the opinions you have put forth are very common among people who lack indepth study,however i have talked with people who share your point of view ,that do a much better job presenting their position,while remaining civil and even likable.you shall know them by their love.as for the doctrine of eternally burning hell,research sheol and gehenna,tartarus and hades.then check where the word hell came from.how much paganism do you think has infiltrated the Body of Christ?God bless you.
@charliebuck1000 Well, you should take your opinions of myself and as a compliment to yourself. You're a grown man and you surely do not appear the least bit thin-skinned. So, while there is love in my heart for you.. and compassion, as well.. I am not going to treat you the very same as I would treat a new Christian.. or someone much younger. If by my conveying to you that 'I know you love God' doesn't tell you who I am, nothing will. Would you prefer I water-down the Gospel?
(cont) Maybe you'd prefer that I lied to you or sing a few stanzas of "Don't Worry, Be Happy?" You have issues with a literal Hell. Jesus Christ spoke more on Hell than He spoke on Heaven. None of which, are open to any sort of interpretation. The Word of God "reads" lots of things that its not actually "saying".. but, the things per Hell, read and say the same.
But, the Sabbath issue and the Hell issue are not the only issues that make the SDA Church in error.
@margovallen no ,a watered down gospel is of no effect,but niether is aggression. a wise person once said, truth given at the wrong moment or in the wrong way ,can be just as damaging as a lie.so, if you feel as though you have the truth,then it would benefit you to present it in a different fashion,and to have all of your ducks in a row.for example,when Christ spoke of hell,He was referring to the Grave.just look up the words i suggested.it benefits you to know the hebrew and greek meanings.
@charliebuck1000 Who was this so-called "wise person?" You can spin this to be about me if you like? I promise you'll have no monopoly on that one. I am not responsible for doing anything here but, trying to convey truth to a SDA Church elder. But, he's surely trying to discredit me via my character.. and its like he is going to blame me should he perish. My ducks are in a roll but, I had to tell you that.. otherwise, you'd have no clue. I'm not the one in need of benefiting :-)
@margovallen you say that my belief that God destroys the wicked cant be backed up in scripture(although it can be easily), and that defines me as a member of a cult.i ask you this, if God is love( and He is),why then would He torment someone for eternity,instead of giving them the opposite of eternal life,which is eternal death?is torture sin?would God use sin to punish sin?why is it hard to grasp that the wicked cease to exist,especially if you have studied the greek and hebrew?
@margovallen Could it be that Satan is at work running to and fro seeking someone to devour? Come on now... Were not in vbs. Why does everybody keep acting oblivious to the fact that there is a powerful evil angel out there looking to confuse and destroy Christians?
Ummm 'slowing it down' means just that. I have like 3-4 things from you that I've yet to touch upon. If it becomes too overwhelming, I will no longer participate. I am in no competition with you or anyone else. I have it on great and wonderful authority that the SDA church is a cult. I have had conversations with JW's, Mormons, atheists.. those of whom are into Universalism and many of whom plainly misinterpret scripture and corrupt the Gospel. If you refuse to understand, I get it.
@margovallen you know as well as i ,that the Sabbath was santified before jews even existed,and that the Sabbath was made for man.and that there is no difference betwwen jew and gentile,and that the Sabbath is 1 of the big 10.therefore why would it not be important?maybe your interpretation of col 2:16 needs to be re-evaluated.also,the most important commandment is love your God with all your heart.that encompasses the first 4. the 2nd is love your neighbor as yourself,thats the last 6.
@charliebuck1000 Nothing wrong with my interpretation of Col 2:16.. as the word "Sabbath days" (plural) is used suggesting what? Exactly what I'd mentioned per the actual 'Sabbath' of being of no significance as a person may choose which day of the week suiting that person. "Keeping the Sabbath" is Mosaic Law. If we live under the Law, we will be judged by the Law and Grace is null and void to us. If we live under Grace, we are dead to the Law.
@margovallen there are 3 examples of "sabbaths" mentioned in the Bible.the Sabbath of YVHV, the feastday and holiday sabbaths,and the sabbath of the land.if God said remember why choose to forget?in col2:16,paul is refering to the feastday and holiday sabbaths,not the Sabbath of YVHV,the seventh day.even if that is what paul is refering to,since God made that day Holy,can paul un-make it?if paul preached against the 7th day,then why did he keep it,even though he broke other traditions?
@charliebuck1000 If we know Pauls history, we will then better understand his position. Paul was a Pharisee.. raised his whole life under the Law and all Jewish ritual. The ceremonial systems spoken of in Col. 2:16 are now obsolete. So, I'm not sure why you brought it up in the first place?
@margovallen why is the 4th commandment mosaic law and nailed to the cross,but the 1st,2nd,3rd,5th,6th,7th,8th,9th,and 10th are not?could the law which was AGAINST us and nailed to the cross and MOSAIC in nature(col 2:14),be the same law that was a witness AGAINST us and written by MOSES' own hand(duet 31:26).wouldnt that be more consistant with God's neverchanging nature,that the law moses wrote would change,but the law God wrote would continue to be relevent?just wondering.
@charliebuck1000 Christ completed the requirements of the law while he was on earth. He obeyed it perfectly.. Matthew 5.17-19; Romans 10.4; Galatians 3.13; Colossians 2.13-14; Hebrews 8-10. Christ removed the need for the Mosaic Law or the Old Covenant. Therefore the purpose and force of the Mosaic Law ended with Christ Ephesians 2.15-16; Hebrews 8-10.
Obedience to God is about our reward.. after becoming Born-Again. One commandment for being saved is to believe on Christ.
@charliebuck1000 I think Col 2:16 & Romans 14:5 go hand in hand. I'm telling you the Sabbath is for Jews. It's Mosaic Law.
Being Born-Again on the other hand.. is for the Jews and the Gentiles. The 10 Commandments.. along with the rest of the Old Testament, was our "School-Master" leading us to Christ.. and unto Salvation. Galatians 3:24-25
@margovallen also, the churches that are plenty,that teach God's Word accurately,how many points of contention do they have with each other?if even one exists then someone is not completely accurate,therefore they are all suspect.God bless you.
Sad. At least 3 great people who did something. The question you ought to be asking is: why are all those other people ex-SDAs? Some of those you named should shame you to even mention. Get over the inferiority complex and get busy with the real gospel. I know dozens of little old ladies who are far more worthy of your respect.
Prince raised an SDA? Then converting to to a Jay dub? What do the teachings of JW's have?? A bunch of ever changing doctrines, with the excuse of "new light."
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ALL HAIL QUEEN Ellen G White and her writings!!! We are spiritually superior to the rest of you "christians". We are exclusively correct because we recognize and follow Ellen G. White. You only have "cheap grace" while we have Ellen G. White.
With all due respect , needs a history lesson . From a seventh day adventist . I would encourage you to study more the bible and preach from the bible and take a history lesson .
Soujourner Truth was not a seventh day adventist , she visited the church in battle Creek but was never a church member , Paul Harvey was not a seventh day Adventist , he was a friend of Adventism , and visited the church .and Prince is a JW .
I'm an Adventists and for some reason this video makes me SO mad! This guy comes off as such an arrogant jerk.. Especially with his salt n pepper and prince comment. Rude and unnecessary. Also, what's his point? What is the purpose of pointing out that these people are/were Adventists? Does that make them better humans? This guy... He makes Adventists look so smug. Ick.
@jnelleiz I totally agree with you .Besides , about half of those people are not Sda . I feel sorry for the people who listen to that clown . Sorry but I can not think of other word . and as you I am also an sda , may God help us with this arrogant , misinformed preacher !
What is your point of all this??? Michael Jackson was a Baptist and so was Britney Spears, Elvis Presley, Katy Perry etc etc etc and the list goes on..
Most of the famous people in the above vid are EX-Adventist as in they do not practice what the SDA preach...
Everyone has their own choice to make, and they have made theirs.
And praise God that many have turned to Him such as Ivor Meyers and others.
Grace is indeed a gift, howevever Mt 7:22 provides a stern warning that not all of Christ believers will be saved. Jesus clearly rebuffs some christian believers saying that "He never KNEW them". Why did Jesus turn christians away if just believing provides you grace? Grace clearly did not save these people. The bible clearly states in 1 Jn 2:4 that "He that saith, I KNOW him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." Grace is a gift who love Him and KNOW Him.
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Prince was a nasty freak as an adventist..because the devil hates truth, and attacks it's followers..now he is not because he has joined his ranks!!!
upholdingthetruth 3 days ago
Prince was a nasty freak when He was an SDA. Now he's clean as one of Jehovah's Witnesses. The others are not good examples in society.
oneworldkingdom 4 days ago
PRINC IS JEHOWA WITNES-NOT ADVENTIST
TheWorldCitizen1 6 days ago
Wow, and they boast about this?!
NicholasPOGM 1 week ago
Jaci Velasquez is also Adventist.
EOLAZARAN 1 week ago
Read the book of Nehemiah before you start judging and see what he had done.
Rest on Sunday with your family and work on Saturday will be your human right.
Two Churches only.
Don,t tell me who to worship, I'm not your birth certificate slave.
You accuse me of working like a Catholic, a pretty proud thing to say.
BTW, your punctuation is awful.
Time is short!
Yoo67Toob 1 week ago
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A lot of people think that Adventists are a cult, just like some of the real cults. Being peculiar does not mean that you are a cult. You will find people in EVERY denomination who are fanatics, but it doesn't mean that you can judge a denomination by that. Not all Adventists will be saved, and there will be people who are not Adventists who will be, who never kept the Sabbath at that. Thing is each person will be responsible for the light that they receive. Even so, come Lord Jesus.
joyful1ize 3 weeks ago
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This video only shows that other churches are grappling at straws, trying to put the Adventist church in a bad light. Seriously larrencole! Check out the famous people from other denominations, including yours, and then we will talk. At least you don't see these people speaking for Adventists. Stop the hating already!
joyful1ize 3 weeks ago
prince the strange singer????????? little richard is more strange
WIZZINGSHIRE 3 weeks ago
Oh and also another famous person whos an adventist was the guy in the natorious photo of the raising of the flag on iwo jima holding up the bottom of the flag, the guy to the far right in the picture
blademaster11121 1 month ago
S.D.A is a cult hand down, i went to that church, i know what they teach, i'm trying to open some of the members eyes but the paster and elders keep fulling their heartsalking with fear, talking about "Gods faithfull commandment keep church will be save" if you're not in one with there teaching they look down on you, they're so proud hearted, trying to plz God with there works, jesus is the sabbath my friend, don't make them fool you.
classiq876 1 month ago
@classiq876 we do not praise God with our works unless you think giving tith is a form of that which is not wrong because the bible says that we are to give 10% of our ernings to God lol im pretty sure you have not attended an SDA church ever
blademaster11121 1 month ago
@blademaster11121 there go one of the proud hearted S.D.A cult memeber, not one of my parents ever put foot in your church, i've a family of my own, and i visit s.d.a church often to worship and open up people like you eyes to the lie that is within the church, i worship at verious church, God is not going to send no one to hell if theyr'e not apart of the s.d.a church. are worship on sunday. there is so much mislead people in your church its a shame.
classiq876 2 weeks ago
@classiq876. You should research what the Catholic authority said about the Adventist church in a document called "Rome's challenge". It surprised me. Man, it puts the Adventist denomination in it's right place.
Rikko7 1 month ago
@Rikko7 - THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK - WHAT A PRETTY SIGHT!
jehovahuponyou 3 weeks ago
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@classiq876
Are you serious? You need to stop saying things like this because you know very well that you are not speaking the truth. Adventists don't believe that works can save them, and you know that. Check out famous people from the other religions and then we can really talk.
joyful1ize 3 weeks ago
@classiq876 I'll bet you came when your mom forced you! I would be bitter too.
GOD can heal you, but you have to let him in, first. We are praying for you every week.
If keeping the law makes me a cult member, Jesus is a cult member too?
God Bless you!
garyglen 2 weeks ago
@classiq876
I am a SDA.
Please forgive your Catholic father of your and his sins.
Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (SOP)
Saturday!
Work all you can with your thoughts and see how far you get.
Jesus is not the Sabbath, He is the Lord of Sabbath/ rest.
How about you rest from your lying works.
And honor the pope by slaving your birth certificate on sun worship day.
David knows!
Yoo67Toob 2 weeks ago
@Yoo67Toob there goes one more, go pray that God take away all that pride out your heart, did you know that pride is a sin? friend all the work you work you wont get in heaven, do you read gal 3:9-14, do you read the n.t.? yea they only keep you in the o.t. to brain wash your head more. i'm not a Catholic, not one of my family is a Catholic, so there you go judging, you live to judge, you live thinking you know everthing ellen g. white tell you all there is to life, lol yea i know.
classiq876 2 weeks ago
@Yoo67Toob Did you know that you have a pope, that you worship ever saturday? yes her name is ellen g. white she is your God, she is the jesus S.D.A. talking about at church you did'nt know? oh you where thinking its the jesus from the bible? sry it not, now go and pray to ellen g. go worship your God.
classiq876 2 weeks ago
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@classiq876 You are such a liar. Unfortunately youre the least of our worries. Satan is waaaay ahead of you. Our biggest battle is within not without. Your description you jus gave of Adventist actually describes samoan people in my opinion, you think maybe your bias opinions have clouded your judgement? Im jus sayn... Cause you are ALL wrong. your description is actually defining a flawed human being but then again who is flawless? Do you not try and please your parents by your actions?
estherpasi 1 week ago
Malcolm X was a Muslim...I don't know where he got the idea of being a advent....
colombus66 1 month ago
@colombus66 Malcolm x grew up adventist and somwhere along the way he started to religon hop
blademaster11121 1 month ago
@colombus66 They said Prince was a SDA, he was misinformed by the same site I read it from. Prince was and is a Jehovah's Witness. Never a SDA. Can you immagine Prince knocking at you door giving out pamplets ! It's true.
garyglen 2 weeks ago
I don't think it is wise to brush the whole SDA church as bad....their are truly born again members of the Seventh day adventists.....yes their are some problems but their are born again Christians in the SDA....yes you certainly do not want to put Ellen G White writings ahead of the Bible...that would be wrong...but I do not know of many SDA's that do that...
Albertanator 1 month ago
One of the main problems I have with SDA us their belief in E.G.White. They place her writings ahead of the bible which I can not and will not ever do which is to place the writings of any human before God's Holy bible. I refuse to worship a human at any time no matter who they are. I worship only God the Father and His Son and my Lord and Master Jesus and they only will I ever worship[.
Fitzlight62 1 month ago
@Fitzlight62 as an adventist,i can asure you that the majority of us do not place egw above the Bible,and any that do are in grave error and dont do it in public.however,there are many denominations,that have special writings fromspecial memebers of their church.smith wigglesworth for the pentecostals,kenneth hagin for certain non-denoms,billy graham for baptists and other mainstream protestants.just because a church has its own Bible commentary doesnt mean they put it above God's Word.
charliebuck1000 1 month ago
@charliebuck1000 I don't know anything about Smith Wigglesworth.. but, Kenneth Hagan is a heretic.. and Billy Graham is a Neo-Evangelical whom preaches a watered-down Gospel. Both of whom are in grave error.
margovallen 1 month ago
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Amen!
joyful1ize 3 weeks ago
Mormons, JW's, SDA.. all CULTS. All try to make their members believe if they should leave the church, they're an apostate whom will be lost forever. They put all emphasis on "the church" and none of the saving grace of Christ. They say you cannot be truly saved unless you're saved at their church and a lifetime member.
Cult-speak manipulation in which, they play on the Biblical ignorance of their members. If their members knew the Word of God, they'd know their teachings are false and corrupt.
margovallen 1 month ago
@margovallen friend, im not sure which youtube video you got your information from, but you are wrong. the sda church embraces people of other churches and as an adventist, i can say with great confidence that there will be people in heaven that never heard of the Sabbath.there will be people in heaven that never stepped foot in an adventist church.so before you go casting stones,please at least try to get some accurate information based on truth and not what you see on the internet.God bless .
charliebuck1000 1 month ago
@charliebuck1000 I don't get my information from any videos per the SDA church. I go to different websites. I am not casting stones. I have read quotes from Ellen G.White's writings. I have read information from people who know.If you think you'll see people from other Faiths in Heaven, you're a rarity. Frankly, doctrine is paramount and God knows exactly what we believe and it that doesn't line up with what He intends, that makes us unbelievers.The SDA does not teach all truth.
margovallen 1 month ago
@margovallen well friend ,no church teaches all the truth,because unfortunetly,we are all tainted by sin.take the easter bunny for example.seems harmless fun for children,until you actually research the history and see that it has to do with orgies and fertility rites for the pagan goddess ishtar.and yet every easter the local baptist church has its annual egg hunt,to honor its "traditions." and while correct doctrine is very important,relationship with God is the most important.thats truth.
charliebuck1000 1 month ago
@charliebuck1000 Being tainted by sin and teaching Biblical Truths are two different issues entirely. All the Easter and Christmas things are moot. Are you wearing a wedding ring? Thats Pagan rooted. Besides, we surely do not teach our children anything that is to do with 'orgies and fertility rites.'
If a person doesn't know proper and accurate Biblical Doctrine, how can that person have the right relationship with God?
They cannot. Thats Truth.
margovallen 1 month ago
@margovallen as a matter of fact friend ,i do not wear a wedding ring for that simple fact. you can have all the biblical knowledge in the world , but no relationship with Christ, and you have nothing,look at the pharisees.ask yourself,if you know that something is rooted in paganism,would God want you to honor it in any way?the relationship with God is what leads to correct doctrine,not the other way around.if God says do this or dont do that,my relationship with Him determines my actions.
charliebuck1000 1 month ago
@charliebuck1000 Good for you. I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and sound knowledge of Biblical Doctrine. I am able to have a relationship with God is because I have an understanding of His Word via the Holy Spirit. I trust solely in Jesus Christ for my Eternal Salvation and no one else. That means that I don't trust in myself for any part of it, just solely on God. It is through Faith.. not works, that we are saved.
You're adamant on 'keeping the Sabbath, why?
margovallen 1 month ago
@margovallen if my actions are contrary to what the Word of God specifically says,then my relationship isnt where it should be.being tainted by sin means that no church is able to gather all the truth.the only way we can even come close is indepth study of God's Word by the leading of the Holy Spirit.again,you say that you have studied the sda online,you do good,but if you seek truth,then do it in an unbiased way with the Holy Spirit guiding you,not your own understanding.God bless you.
charliebuck1000 1 month ago
@charliebuck1000 If we allow the Holy Spirit to lead, guide and direct us unto Biblical Truths, thats the only way we are going to get those truths. But, we must be saved in order to have the Holy Spirit in the first place, to guide us to those truths, proper and accurate interpretation of Gods Word. You can think and say what you please. There are plenty of churches teaching Gods Truths, accurately. Not adding to, nor taking away from His Word. The SDA isn't one of those.
margovallen 1 month ago
@margovallen can you give examples of how the sda have added to or taken away from God's Word. also i am not adamant about keeping the Sabbath,Christ in me is.i have been convicted that the Sabbath of the old testiment is the same Sabbath of the new, and that the 10 commandments are still valid,only written in a more intimate place,my heart.if you study God's Word through the eyes of john calvin or ellen white,you do yourself a diservice.what does james 2:14-26 mean to you?
charliebuck1000 1 month ago
@charliebuck1000 I sent you a link to an informative site.. in a personal message. Check your mail-box :-)
margovallen 1 month ago
(cont) Per James 2:14-26 - Has nothing to do with having works in order to be saved.. but, having works after the fact. Why do so many people try to prove that salvation is at least partially through works and use this passage in James 2?
Answer : they are using their own intellect, in lieu of allowing the Holy Spirit to guide them. Therefore, they misinterpret the scripture taking it completely out of context.
Keeping the Sabbath was to the Jews in the Old Testament.. the old Law.
margovallen 1 month ago
Also, I am neither an Arminian nor a Calvinist. And I believe you already know my feelings toward Ellen G. White.
margovallen 1 month ago
@margovallen i read the link you sent me,and honestly i dont see the added to or taken away part. i see the Sabbath being attacked.by the way ,the Sabbath doesnt save anyone.i see the concept of an eternal hell being promoted,although that is a doctrine that is in contention with many mainstream churches,but most americans only see it from there little perspective,as if southern baptists are the only church.i see a lie that sda believe its elders are the144,00....cont...
charliebuck1000 1 month ago
@charliebuck1000 You don't see the 'adding to or taking away?' Well, have you read any of the writings of Ellen G. White? She contradicts Jesus Christ. The Sabbath doesn't save anyone.. but, you're missing the point. You keep the Sabbath why? Because if you do not keep the Sabbath, you think that effects your Salvation, yes?
Are you telling me that SDA's believe in a literal Hell or not? Why do SDA preachers hold a tent-service and never tell the public they're SDA?
margovallen 1 month ago
@margovallen friend,how many "tent services" have you been to, really? you are exposing your source of information when you repeat what you have read on an anti-sda site.the Sabbath has nothing to do with my salvation,my relationship to Christ and submission to His will does. if you have been convicted of something by the Holy Spirit, and you refuse to accept it,whatever it is,playing lottery, too much soda,whatever,what happens to your relationship after rejecting what God has told you?
charliebuck1000 1 month ago
@charliebuck1000 I've been to ZERO SDA tent services. Yes, I read something online per whenever an SAD speaker or pastor is going to be preaching to the open public, they never reveal their denomination. I can go to an anti-anything site. Anti-Christian, etc. That does not dilute nor refute anything I'm saying here. U are a member of the SDA church and perhaps your whole family is? I understand your position regarding this matter. Catholics, JW's, Mormons all do the same thing.
margovallen 1 month ago
@margovallen the point of getting your information about a group online,especially an anti-group site,is that 1-its second hand at best,2-completely biased,and 3-not always accurate.im a deacon in my church,not that it matters,but the truths that have been revealed to me are from the Holy Spirit.the article you sent me said itself,that if sda would just drop the Sabbath,they would be ok,maybe peculiar,but ok.so it seems that most people are actually attacking the Sabbath instead of the church.
charliebuck1000 1 month ago
@margovallen i see truth that the remnant isnt here yet.thats what sda believe,contrary to a few websites opinion.i see an attack on baptism by emersion and the age of accountabilty,which are both Biblical truths.and i see a thinly veiled pro-catholic attempt to mis-inform.works do not save you,that is a gift if God,works do however show that you are obedient to God.you can have works without love and faith,but you cant have faith and love without works.you didnt answer my ? about the churches .
charliebuck1000 1 month ago
@charliebuck1000 I didn't answer you question about the churches? Please ask it again.. in lieu of bombarding me with one thing after another. Slow it down, ok? Thanks! :-)
margovallen 1 month ago
@margovallen sorry,the question was,of the churches you mentioned that teach accurate Biblical truth,how many contentions and disagreements do they have with each others interpretations?
charliebuck1000 1 month ago
@charliebuck1000 There are many churches nowadays, that corrupt the scriptures. They're in all denominations. However, the SDA has always been wrong.. and it's blatantly obvious to anyone of whom reads, knows and understands Gods Word. Just like the JW's and the Mormons.
Think about all of the 'Word-Faith' (name it, claim it) bunch. They teach the Bible.. but, a corrupt interpretation. They make the Bible conform to themselves, in lieu of conforming themselves to the Bible.
margovallen 1 month ago
@margovallen then can you give me a solid example of where the sda have always been wrong,or at least give me an example of 1 of those plenty of churches that teach Biblical truth.the mormons,teach that they can become gods,blasphemy.the jw's teach that Christ was a created being,thereby deminishing the cross,again,blasphemy.but the sda,preach Jesus,His blood,and only His blood.any works ,including the Sabbath or not stealing,are an outward manifestation of Christ within.
charliebuck1000 1 month ago
@charliebuck1000 SDA's don't believe in a literal Hell for the lost and unsaved. If that was the only thing they disbelieved, that would be enough.
margovallen 1 month ago
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@margovallen I find it hard to believe that such a loving God would burn people forever like that. Why create them in the first place?
estherpasi 1 week ago
@margovallen friend, if you want to know the truth about what sda believe, i would be glad to share it with you in an honest and humble way.dont rely on websites to glean all of your knowledge,as sometimes they may have ulterior motives.if you truly are seeking the truth about adventists, just ask one.God bless you.
charliebuck1000 1 month ago
@charliebuck1000 I am not 'gleaning' anything. Seems you are unfamiliar with the beliefs of your own denomination. Its not like the elders of your church are going to let you know that. They are doing all of the "interpretations" of all the scriptures.. and they pass that onto you. You're a member of their church and therefore, you swallow it all hook, line and sinker.. without question.
So, why would I desire for you to tell me the truth of what the SDA's teach/believe?
margovallen 1 month ago
@margovallen wow,when did this conversation turn venomous?i see that no matter what i say,you already have preconceived notions that and dont really give a crap about what i have to say.you just want to give me a sound "dressing down."im no sheeple blindly following where my ears are tickled. that smug attitude doesnt become you,and doesnt allow the Holy Sprit into this conversation.it seems you dont have a very high opinion of me.im sorry for that.by the way,rom 14 is the same as col2.
charliebuck1000 1 month ago
@charliebuck1000 I didn't know this conversation had turned 'venomous' as perhaps the things I am conveying are what you deem as such? I didn't realize my attitude was 'smug' as I have tried to speak truths as I understand them to be.
U are naturally in the place of defending yourself.. your church and its teachings. The SDA Church has been accused of lots of corruption and heresies, even 'Cult' status. There are obviously, reasons for this. I don't think its a conspiracy.
margovallen 1 month ago
(cont) None of anything I say.. conveys an opinion of you. Frankly, you seem very nice and polite. I know that you love God and I also know that you believe you're in a wonderful church. Sometimes, we cannot see the trees, for the forest.You're telling me that you're an elder in the SDA Church.. and you are totally unaware of anything I've mentioned.. or those two links/sites I've sent you have mentioned?
margovallen 1 month ago
(cont) Per Col 2 & Rom 14 : Literal in OT Law, Figurative in NT. Thats Old Testament Law you're pleading. Being that they're mentioned in the New Testament and under the New Covenant, don't you think they take on a different? I mean, we are no longer under the curse of the Law yet, these passages are in the NT. So, we cannot distinguish the different types of Sabbaths or Laws as, If we have broken one Law, we've broken them all, yes?
Mosaic Law was to the Jews.
margovallen 1 month ago
@margovallen i took it as offensive to me personally when you said that im unfamiliar with my churches beliefs and that i believe whatever the church elders say,as im sure anyone would under similar circumstances.implying that i dont search the scriptures myself and allow the Holy Spirit to teach me is also offensive.the attitude that you have shown ,i.e.,swallow it hook ,line and sinker,is a smug position,and its sad that i actually have to explain that to you.
charliebuck1000 1 month ago
@charliebuck1000 And rightfully so. But, does that really change anything? Think about this : its one thing to be ignorant of ones churches true beliefs. But, its another to be fully aware.. and continue forward with them.. if those beliefs are contrary to the Word of God.
Do you think I'm pulling my information out of the air? How much of what I've mentioned or else the sites I sent you the links to have mentioned that you disagree with? :-)
margovallen 1 month ago
(cont) Please know and understand the fact that, I have no beef with you.. but, also think about how upset you will be.. how betrayed and even violated you will be.. if/when you understand what the SDA are really all about. You''l be insulted alright.. but, you seem pretty intelligent and level-headed... so, my guess is that you'll direct that toward those of whom are rightfully deserving of your disdain.
margovallen 1 month ago
@margovallen i understand your stance,but i again have to point out,that the beliefs that are controversial in the sda church,can all be backed with scripture.some beliefs that are shared by the majority of mainstream Christianity ,honestly come from a shallow understanding of the hebrew and greek,and a willingness to ignor context.you see my church as heretical for embracing the Sabbath,but catholics can worship mary,pentecostals can babble nonsence, and anglicans can embrace gay preachers?
charliebuck1000 1 month ago
@charliebuck1000 The controversial beliefs in the SDA Church *cannot* be backed up with properly and contextually interpreted scriptures from the Word of God. Thats the problem with many churches.. misinterpreted scriptures.
Did you catch what I'd said per Col 2 & Rom 14 NT meanings?
You do know the leaders of the SDA have changed their positions on several accounts on several issues, yes? So, I will ask you : who does that? A church that is well-grounded in THE Word of God?
margovallen 1 month ago
@margovallen friend,first, im no church elder,just a simple deacon.second,could you please give an example of a church that hasnt changed its position on anything.apparently, from your own words ,thats a sign of a church that is well-grounded in the Word of God.so please,give an example.thanks.God bless. also,once again regarding proper interpretation,it benefits tremendously, if you have a grasp of the original languages,not just what king james' scribes say the word means.
charliebuck1000 1 month ago
@margovallen
If you hate Adventists so much, then don't become one. No one is begging you to do it.
joyful1ize 3 weeks ago
@joyful1ize I love Adventists... just as I love all people and hate no one. I hate satan and his false-doctrine cult religions that take people to Hell.
margovallen 3 weeks ago
@margovallen Many of those people who are critical of the SDA church should thank Us for the right to voices their beliefs, worship who they choose. Those who have Religous Liberty can directly relate it to our work in that field. So that being said, even though I do not like the negative things said about us, we respect your right to say it. May GOD bless all those who truly seek HIM, all the rest we are praying for you. Come visit us, See for yourself WHO we are!
garyglen 2 weeks ago
@garyglen You respect my right to spread the TRUTH about the SDA church? Because the "negative" things I've said about the SDA church is ALL TRUTH.
Perhaps, its the negative truth you have issue with but, are too prideful to allow it to persuade you to further investigate.. comparing what Ellen G. White has to say vs what Jesus Christ has to say.
It goes way up and beyond a mere difference of opinion on which day we should worship. If that were the case, I wouldn't see a problem.
margovallen 2 weeks ago
@margovallen the opinions you have put forth are very common among people who lack indepth study,however i have talked with people who share your point of view ,that do a much better job presenting their position,while remaining civil and even likable.you shall know them by their love.as for the doctrine of eternally burning hell,research sheol and gehenna,tartarus and hades.then check where the word hell came from.how much paganism do you think has infiltrated the Body of Christ?God bless you.
charliebuck1000 1 month ago
@charliebuck1000 Well, you should take your opinions of myself and as a compliment to yourself. You're a grown man and you surely do not appear the least bit thin-skinned. So, while there is love in my heart for you.. and compassion, as well.. I am not going to treat you the very same as I would treat a new Christian.. or someone much younger. If by my conveying to you that 'I know you love God' doesn't tell you who I am, nothing will. Would you prefer I water-down the Gospel?
margovallen 1 month ago
(cont) Maybe you'd prefer that I lied to you or sing a few stanzas of "Don't Worry, Be Happy?" You have issues with a literal Hell. Jesus Christ spoke more on Hell than He spoke on Heaven. None of which, are open to any sort of interpretation. The Word of God "reads" lots of things that its not actually "saying".. but, the things per Hell, read and say the same.
But, the Sabbath issue and the Hell issue are not the only issues that make the SDA Church in error.
margovallen 1 month ago
@margovallen no ,a watered down gospel is of no effect,but niether is aggression. a wise person once said, truth given at the wrong moment or in the wrong way ,can be just as damaging as a lie.so, if you feel as though you have the truth,then it would benefit you to present it in a different fashion,and to have all of your ducks in a row.for example,when Christ spoke of hell,He was referring to the Grave.just look up the words i suggested.it benefits you to know the hebrew and greek meanings.
charliebuck1000 1 month ago
@charliebuck1000 Who was this so-called "wise person?" You can spin this to be about me if you like? I promise you'll have no monopoly on that one. I am not responsible for doing anything here but, trying to convey truth to a SDA Church elder. But, he's surely trying to discredit me via my character.. and its like he is going to blame me should he perish. My ducks are in a roll but, I had to tell you that.. otherwise, you'd have no clue. I'm not the one in need of benefiting :-)
margovallen 1 month ago
@margovallen you say that my belief that God destroys the wicked cant be backed up in scripture(although it can be easily), and that defines me as a member of a cult.i ask you this, if God is love( and He is),why then would He torment someone for eternity,instead of giving them the opposite of eternal life,which is eternal death?is torture sin?would God use sin to punish sin?why is it hard to grasp that the wicked cease to exist,especially if you have studied the greek and hebrew?
charliebuck1000 1 month ago
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@margovallen Could it be that Satan is at work running to and fro seeking someone to devour? Come on now... Were not in vbs. Why does everybody keep acting oblivious to the fact that there is a powerful evil angel out there looking to confuse and destroy Christians?
estherpasi 1 week ago
Ummm 'slowing it down' means just that. I have like 3-4 things from you that I've yet to touch upon. If it becomes too overwhelming, I will no longer participate. I am in no competition with you or anyone else. I have it on great and wonderful authority that the SDA church is a cult. I have had conversations with JW's, Mormons, atheists.. those of whom are into Universalism and many of whom plainly misinterpret scripture and corrupt the Gospel. If you refuse to understand, I get it.
margovallen 1 month ago
@margovallen you know as well as i ,that the Sabbath was santified before jews even existed,and that the Sabbath was made for man.and that there is no difference betwwen jew and gentile,and that the Sabbath is 1 of the big 10.therefore why would it not be important?maybe your interpretation of col 2:16 needs to be re-evaluated.also,the most important commandment is love your God with all your heart.that encompasses the first 4. the 2nd is love your neighbor as yourself,thats the last 6.
charliebuck1000 1 month ago
@charliebuck1000 Nothing wrong with my interpretation of Col 2:16.. as the word "Sabbath days" (plural) is used suggesting what? Exactly what I'd mentioned per the actual 'Sabbath' of being of no significance as a person may choose which day of the week suiting that person. "Keeping the Sabbath" is Mosaic Law. If we live under the Law, we will be judged by the Law and Grace is null and void to us. If we live under Grace, we are dead to the Law.
Col 2:16 speaks of Holidays, Yes.
margovallen 1 month ago
@margovallen there are 3 examples of "sabbaths" mentioned in the Bible.the Sabbath of YVHV, the feastday and holiday sabbaths,and the sabbath of the land.if God said remember why choose to forget?in col2:16,paul is refering to the feastday and holiday sabbaths,not the Sabbath of YVHV,the seventh day.even if that is what paul is refering to,since God made that day Holy,can paul un-make it?if paul preached against the 7th day,then why did he keep it,even though he broke other traditions?
charliebuck1000 1 month ago
@charliebuck1000 If we know Pauls history, we will then better understand his position. Paul was a Pharisee.. raised his whole life under the Law and all Jewish ritual. The ceremonial systems spoken of in Col. 2:16 are now obsolete. So, I'm not sure why you brought it up in the first place?
Did you review Romans 14:5?
margovallen 1 month ago
@margovallen why is the 4th commandment mosaic law and nailed to the cross,but the 1st,2nd,3rd,5th,6th,7th,8th,9th,and 10th are not?could the law which was AGAINST us and nailed to the cross and MOSAIC in nature(col 2:14),be the same law that was a witness AGAINST us and written by MOSES' own hand(duet 31:26).wouldnt that be more consistant with God's neverchanging nature,that the law moses wrote would change,but the law God wrote would continue to be relevent?just wondering.
charliebuck1000 1 month ago
@charliebuck1000 Christ completed the requirements of the law while he was on earth. He obeyed it perfectly.. Matthew 5.17-19; Romans 10.4; Galatians 3.13; Colossians 2.13-14; Hebrews 8-10. Christ removed the need for the Mosaic Law or the Old Covenant. Therefore the purpose and force of the Mosaic Law ended with Christ Ephesians 2.15-16; Hebrews 8-10.
Obedience to God is about our reward.. after becoming Born-Again. One commandment for being saved is to believe on Christ.
margovallen 1 month ago
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@margovallen So God knew we could not fulfill the law so He made Jesus fulfill it? Why didn't He jus change the laws?
estherpasi 1 week ago
@charliebuck1000 I think Col 2:16 & Romans 14:5 go hand in hand. I'm telling you the Sabbath is for Jews. It's Mosaic Law.
Being Born-Again on the other hand.. is for the Jews and the Gentiles. The 10 Commandments.. along with the rest of the Old Testament, was our "School-Master" leading us to Christ.. and unto Salvation. Galatians 3:24-25
margovallen 1 month ago
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@margovallen How does a set of rules lead you to anybody? I follow all California laws, does that mean Im being lead to whomever made them?
estherpasi 1 week ago
@margovallen also, the churches that are plenty,that teach God's Word accurately,how many points of contention do they have with each other?if even one exists then someone is not completely accurate,therefore they are all suspect.God bless you.
charliebuck1000 1 month ago
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@charliebuck1000
Amen!
joyful1ize 3 weeks ago
Sad. At least 3 great people who did something. The question you ought to be asking is: why are all those other people ex-SDAs? Some of those you named should shame you to even mention. Get over the inferiority complex and get busy with the real gospel. I know dozens of little old ladies who are far more worthy of your respect.
Torah4Today 1 month ago
Prince raised an SDA? Then converting to to a Jay dub? What do the teachings of JW's have?? A bunch of ever changing doctrines, with the excuse of "new light."
Asoldier1844 2 months ago
so what if they're seventh day adventist? are you proud or ashamed of it? cause either way it's wrong...
darktondo 2 months ago
Brian McKnight, BJ and Niko McKnight, Fretzie Bercede and Jerome Fontanillas.
joyful245 2 months ago
yes its hard to be adventist. because our pastor attacks me for being different.. by the way i am an artist.
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THEHELENOHENZO 2 months ago
So wait, Craig T. Nelson is or was an Adventist. PS I'm Adventist too.
wessnyder117 2 months ago
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eram64 2 months ago
prince was raised adventist, so was malcomx, both converted to other religions... so what, this seems to be taken out of context, what is the point.
sepitheroth 2 months ago
With all due respect , needs a history lesson . From a seventh day adventist . I would encourage you to study more the bible and preach from the bible and take a history lesson .
Soujourner Truth was not a seventh day adventist , she visited the church in battle Creek but was never a church member , Paul Harvey was not a seventh day Adventist , he was a friend of Adventism , and visited the church .and Prince is a JW .
Fredy197 2 months ago
im sure prince is a JW
whosdatgirl1 3 months ago
I'm an Adventists and for some reason this video makes me SO mad! This guy comes off as such an arrogant jerk.. Especially with his salt n pepper and prince comment. Rude and unnecessary. Also, what's his point? What is the purpose of pointing out that these people are/were Adventists? Does that make them better humans? This guy... He makes Adventists look so smug. Ick.
jnelleiz 3 months ago
@jnelleiz I totally agree with you .Besides , about half of those people are not Sda . I feel sorry for the people who listen to that clown . Sorry but I can not think of other word . and as you I am also an sda , may God help us with this arrogant , misinformed preacher !
Fredy197 2 months ago
What is your point of all this??? Michael Jackson was a Baptist and so was Britney Spears, Elvis Presley, Katy Perry etc etc etc and the list goes on..
Most of the famous people in the above vid are EX-Adventist as in they do not practice what the SDA preach...
Everyone has their own choice to make, and they have made theirs.
And praise God that many have turned to Him such as Ivor Meyers and others.
xxzeka01xx 3 months ago 3
@xxzeka01xx um micheal jackson was a jehovah witness
miamibabii77 3 months ago
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@miamibabii77 Oh well.. what is the point of this vid in the first place?
xxzeka01xx 3 months ago
I cant believe Malcom X was SDA
eulex10 3 months ago
@eulex10 i know crazy, what a preacher he wouldve been right? Lol.
CHUNIOR05 3 months ago
He forgot the rapper busta rhymes from Newyork.
aupian94 3 months ago
This guy is judgemental somewhat
Davidrochat509 3 months ago 2
You are out of context!
garretttwilson1 4 months ago
God doesn't claim law as his but Moses
Joh 7:19
Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me? --Ac 13:39
And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.--Ro 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Ro 10:5
For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
frank0067 4 months ago
why this??? whats your point??
bafosibanda 4 months ago
Grace is indeed a gift, howevever Mt 7:22 provides a stern warning that not all of Christ believers will be saved. Jesus clearly rebuffs some christian believers saying that "He never KNEW them". Why did Jesus turn christians away if just believing provides you grace? Grace clearly did not save these people. The bible clearly states in 1 Jn 2:4 that "He that saith, I KNOW him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." Grace is a gift who love Him and KNOW Him.
hopgoblin1 5 months ago