Years of work paid off Pirate Party

[hansbo11]

YARRRRRRRR!!

[showoffsg]

Intellectual property is a historical relic from feudal Europe when monarchs would declare monopolies to court favorites. If it didn't already exist, no one would think of creating it.

[madichelp0]

For those who say that without copyright there wouldn't be any people making music/games/movies, you are just wrong.

Take a look at the profit the indie developers made in the Humble Indie Bundle. The consumers didn't have to pay more than a cent, yet the average person payed 8 dollars. Why a lot of us don't want to pay for games is because most of it goes to totally unnecessary things such as advertisement.

[TopazSkillMauler]

Now just legalize it in Canada

[EdwardFinnigans]

HAHAHA! SWEDEN RUUUULES!

[EddieTheFishReturns]

YAR-HAR, FUCK WMG,

WE ARE THE PIRATES!!

[newblenderbeer]

Yar har, fiddle di dee,

Being a pirate is alright to be,

Do what you want ‘cause a pirate is free,

You are a pirate!

[sdbxnbbl91]

Whats the point of making an album if these people make it so easy for people to steal records. I agree with scarface that people who provide free downloads like pirate bay should be locked up for theft.

[uuu64]

Good artists movie-makers programmers and so

on will never go hungry. It's just harder for them

to become millioners. It's called progress and

it cant be stopped.

Also note that 'making money from piracy' will

always be illegal.

[UnMute93]

@sdbxnbbl91 Sorry for the late answer, but... The artist gets 7% of album sales. The record companies, which only WERE (not today) good for distributing the music, get 93%. Their service is marketing for the artist. Today, we have the internet. An artist can promote himself, quite successfully in fact, thanks to the internet. The artist can gain 100% of sales if he ignores the record companies. The record industry knows that they will soon be useless, and panic. Keywords: The library, printer.

[bennylaser]

TPB fuck'em all!

[seriouskano2]

PIRATES RULE

[sony8877]

thats how fucking strong people feel about their file sharing policy, the people have voiced their democratic opinion, they must be listened to

[lurwar]

Everybody in here are to Uptight

[Straightfromcompton1]

The Dutch anti-piracy outfit BREIN has won its court case against The Pirate Bay. The Amsterdam court today ruled that the site must cease all operations in The Netherlands within 10 days, or else pay penalties of 30,000 euros ($42,300) a person, per day. Up yours pirate fuckers.

[DeathlyReaper217]

The Dutch shall fall to the pirate curtain through their democracy. Then they shall move in and crush the capitalists. They may have won the battle through the law courts but total victory shall soon be at hand.

[Straightfromcompton1]

Sweden is being overrun by muslims and they are voting for a pirate party. See how long your file sharing lasts once you get Sharia law. You deserve to lose your land to the muslims if you carry on voting for these gimps. There are far more important issues.

[DeathlyReaper217]

Ah, but Muslims have a simple weakness. Pigs. That will easily keep them at bay. As for the capitalists, they're more conniving so we'll have to crush them first as they're harder to deal with.

After that, then we shall spray the Muslims with pig flesh.

[Porkusido]

Funny how some people always jumps to the conclusion that something that they find "bad" is always done by muslims..

well first of, take a peak on what the party wants and why they are engaged in this issue at all, then you might realise that this is an inportant issue as well and isnt about file sharers getting free music.

I to agree that there are more issues that are even more inportant, but this issue is one that not many partys even understand, so the pirate party will help them do that

[FinalWar1444]

end game for Hollywood !!!!!!

[hinro]

It won't be soon. It will take about 30 years or so for the current majority to die.

[Straightfromcompton1]

But the really funny thing is that sweden is being taken over by muslims and people are voting for the pirate party. Still, once you are all living under Sharia law and wearing hijabs, you'll still have your free movies to watch, at least until the Sharia courts chop your hands off. Fucking idiots.

[Visfen]

I think the biggest obstacle for the pirate party are all the far left crazies trying to hijack the party to stand against all property rights. These anti-capitalist morons will murder the party.

They need to turn right, not left, in the future. Become the new Ny Demokrati-party.

[Comrade2face]

hahah awesome

[Dantex626]

dEATHADDER2006 what the pirate party really stand for= FUCK THE FED

[Dantex626]

Deathadder2006 dont give a damn

[DeathlyReaper217]

HAHAHAH

The pirates are fighting back. You've got your law courts. They've now have the government and it's only a matter of time before Warner Brothers and all those bitchy copyrighters are brought to their knees. Please get rid of the bullshit WMG has brought to youtube.

Support the Pirate Party! Support the Pirate Revolution!

[DeathlyReaper217]

The spirit of communism fights on in piracy.

[deathadder2006]

Lol, I can see all the rest of the members at the EU rolling around with laughter when pig boy here starts his abolish copyright rant. Muslims are taking over Europe, immigration is out of control and this fat hog thinks the EU will give a shit about his ramblings about file sharing. He'll get ass fucked faster than the fat hog in deliverance. WEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[deathadder2006]

Ahahaha, they only have a pirate party because Sweden have never produced any music, films or games themselves that anyone wants so they want to steal it from the countries that have. It's like peasants trying to legalize burglary because they have nothing worth stealing in their own houses.

[woxenrud]

or because we want to download legally? hmm.. no cant be it...

[phlykt]

lol. that was about the dumbest thing i have ever heard. first of all even if you were right i fail to see the relevance. second of all Sweden is producing very good games. (the company "DICE" for example). And i don't even want to go into music. (ABBA anyone?)

[ctoon6]

im pretty sure they don't wanna legalize file sharing, but make the copyrights expire faster (5 years or so i think)

[Gocavs1990]

haha pirate party that's some real shit

[9Charnel]

YES YES YES YES YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! at last one of the NN groups enters the parliament, now watch us grow! Net Neutrality FTW!!!

[manicpyro]

It is however a serious problem, when even on the verge of what could've been a global brid-flu pandemic, spread of medication was hindered by profiteering due to the limitations placed on generic medicines by pantents. This is a serious problem when larger (note that generic medicine still makes a profit) profit comes ahead of the lives of potentially millions of people.

[olivemike81]

Maybe they would have gotten a seat earlier if they had a name most people could take seriously and they weren't stuck on one or two issues. Our problems go beyind the internet you know.

[Bundesdatenpirat]

PIRATES RULE

Nice headline :)

[GiorgosY2829]

I think the best solution is everyone to be able to post whatever they please and if the owner doesn't want his file to be shared to have the right to ask to the hoster to just remove it and that's it.

[GiorgosY2829]

The internet is all about sharing information in the first place. If the law becomes strict on copyright issues we will have to forget the internet in the first place. If a video hosting service from now on, will have to check every single video on not violating any copyright issues, or the owner goes to jail, this will never happen, is impossible. Every video hosting service will close down and that will be the end of the internet as we know it.

[MrLuokale]

To end this silly discussion about people questioning patent monopoly being communist, read the follwing by Tomas Jeffersson (hardly communist):

"He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me."

Also, PP doesn't want to get rid of the patent laws, they want to CHANGE them.

[olivemike81]

lol I don't think you should bring a man who owned slaves into a debate about property rghts.

[pmf026]

I am Russian.

[kingneddy]

a small fight against slavery in this video. i like

[olivemike81]

They want to get rid of the patent system.

So basically you don't have the right to keep people from stealing your ideas or inventions.

How much more communist can you get?

[Tokeijikaku]

They fully acknowledge attribution, as far as that goes.

But to the point, it's a minarchist move, which would be the exact opposite of communism - in that the state is stripped from its power to give any person or corporation or whatever exclusive rights to specific technology.

[olivemike81]

It's communist in that an individual loses a certain right to personal property in the name of benefiting a whole group. Basically by getting rid of the patent system you're telling someone that they don't have any right to reap the fruit of their labors. That once they invent something and put it on the market it's open to anyone coming along and copying it and making money off of their hard work. I agree with their stance against internet monitoring but this is absurd.

[Tokeijikaku]

It's not communist. Communism is very specific. The anti-patent thing is at most one similarity with an ideology that's otherwise completely different. You just use the word for the stigma.

And well yes indeed, people should not have near-perpetual state endorced monopolies on things just because they thought of them first.

The right to technology and the freedom to advance it should with little question trump the right to commercial monopoly.

[olivemike81]

"Just because they thought of them first." That's how the world works buddy. If I come up with an idea and put it into practice I get to reap the rewards. I bet if you invented something worth millions of dollars and someone stole your idea you'd waste no time suing the pants off them. Inside many socialists lies the heart of a very lazy person. Besides, patents aren't forever. And you're not talking about freedom. You're talking about stealing. Ever heard of personal property?

[manoo205]

You keep repeating stealing, and you are totally wrong. It is stupid to talk about stealing something, than the creator can still use. I really don't know what would be the impact of removing industrial patents but having software patents is insane, and we will do as much as possible to prevent it. And if you are going to call us comunist for that, I think you have a problem.

[olivemike81]

That's because it is stealing. If I invent a brand new product and I start selling it and you copy my idea and start selling it for yourself it's the same as if you were taking money out of my pocket. I guess also you think copying the answers off of someone else's test isn't cheating just because it doesn't hurt them.

[manoo205]

I was just trying to explain that you are using the word stealing in an informal way, at least if you were in some countries of Europe that would be the case. Of course I do think copying the answer off of someone else's test is CHEATING but I do not think it is STEALING. You just gave me the perfect example, thanks!

[olivemike81]

Actually cheating off someone else, without their consent, is stealing. You are using my work and my answers on your test. It all comes back to the idea that someone is unfairly benefitting off the hard work of someone else.

[DeathlyReaper217]

I don't care what the fuck you say but I am sick of the bullshit removal of music on youtube by those dicks at WMG. They don't want me to steal their music. If they're gonna ruin my entertainment on youtube, I'm gonna steal 100 of their 'work without their consent.' And I am gonna sell it as well and seed it. Those capitalists can lick my ass for all I care. I hope this party comes to power in every country and finally puts an end to this bullshit starting with youtube.

[vexorism]

It's called competition... Whoever makes the best product wins.

[Tokeijikaku]

No, that's how we have altered the world. The original was monkey see, monkey do, right?

And I've heard of personal property, but intellectual property is utter fiction.

[olivemike81]

Says the guy who probably never came up with any ideas that ever made any money. Do me a favor. Come up with the next million dollar idea and see then if you don't mind people coming in after the fact and earning millions off of something you did. Until then don't talk about how intellectual property rights are "utter fiction."

[Tokeijikaku]

You keep appealing to egotism. And your request is a fallacy, it's basically an ad hominem tu quoque on hypothetical grounds. In addition, the request is followed by an ad hominem circumstantial.

Let's just say I havent slipped into the trap of greed yet, which is indeed the case, and still acknowledge what's evidently best for society. Because the purpose of the state is just that, to provide optimal benefit for a whole society. And in that regard, intellectual property is a no-brainer.

[olivemike81]

The job of our government is to balance the needs of society against the rights of the individual. People stealing other people's ideas has no benefit for society as a whole. At least nothing worth violating the rights of a person.

[Tokeijikaku]

That's what I mean with optimal benefit. Intelligent Property, however, tips the scale completely by allowing specific individuals to stranglehold the rest of the society. The right of the whole society to freely access, spread and use the collective culture and knowledge of our civilization far outbalances the right to monopoly.

You should reconsider the motives for art and invention. Not to mention look into the practical application of intellectual property in the world today.

[olivemike81]

"Reconsider the motives for art and invention."  What does that mean? If you're attacking money as a reason people invent stuff than you're seriously naive. About 90% of the things we use today were invented because someone wanted to make money. Self interest can be a very good thing. Also, society benefits just fine even with someone holding the excslusive rights to an invention. The patent system is a good thing because it allows people to make money and it eventually...

[Tokeijikaku]

90%? [citation needed] The spoon, fire, the wheel, paper, masonry, toothpicks, bottles, ubuntu, floppy disks, bubble wrap, glue, pillows... I think most inventions are made for the need and practicality of them. Marketing comes after. I also think competition is a better driving force than the promise of monopoly when it comes to furthering technology.

And civilization certainly does not do fine with people holding patents. The alternative has had little chance to prove itself, though.

[olivemike81]

Fire wasn't invented. Yes competition is a good driving force. And you know what drives a lot of competition is this country?.......MAKING MONEY!!!!!!

[Rickdeckard2020]

"invented because someone wanted to make money"

WRONG technology is emergent, rests on the CUMULATIVE knowlege brought by OTHERS and many generations. Gallileo to Einstein, Penecilin to Insulin had nothing to do with profits

In additions paralels occur, Manzetti, Meucci, Reis, Gray, Bell, and Edison, have all been credited with pioneer work on the telephone. And patents can be used to trample technology such the NiMH patent acquired by Chevron so they could litigate against Toyota.

[olivemike81]

...eventually the patent runs out and other companies can come in and start making money too. Just admit that you have no respect for private property rights.

[Tokeijikaku]

Patents are renewable, sometimes even revivable.

And indeed, I have no respect for property rights when applied to abstract "property".

[DeathlyReaper217]

If those dicks want to use the legal system. The Pirates shall use the government. It's all fair game. Makes it even more glorious by slowly getting into the government and choking the life out of them.

[Visfen]

I'm a libertarian hardcore property rights advocate and I still don't believe in Intellectual property.

You can't own an idea. Period. The only benefit you should get by thinking of it first is that you can expand on it first.

You can't steal an idea, ideas are free. I don't lose an idea just because you think of it too.

In a world where copies are free, do you really expect us to pay for a copy?

[Straightfromcompton1]

You're actually a bell-end. So what you are saying is it's ok for one person to buy a film or game and share it with the rest of the world. So the creators will make about 20$ on that movie release from the one sale, I'm sure there will be some great stuff made in the future on the proceeds of that one sale. What a short sighted idiot you truly are.

[Visfen]

Yes, that would theoretically be perfectly okay, but your example is not realistic.

First, people WANT to watch movies at the cinema, that is why they pay for it as it is, otherwise they would just break the law.

Second, even if they didn't actually want to pay for it, it comes the obstacle with distribution. You can't have one seeder for billions of people.

IP is just a form of protectionism to diversify money into R&D. The company that is first with an idea get benefit enough as it is.

[Straightfromcompton1]

People may go to the movies, but what about games? Your argument about seeding is also false as it spreads exponentially. one peron shares it with 10, who each share with 10. Now 100 people have it. They share with 10 people. 1000 have it. They share with 10, 10000 have it, etc etc. Just like swine flu, what starts as a tiny group soon spreads to a huge group. If you want a PC game, pay the price for it or don't play it. No-one forces you to buy it.

[Visfen]

Yeah, but that takes like two months, when as that movie wont even be popular anymore, people would have gone to the cinema long before then.

Swine flu? Yes, perfect example, as the fine flu is utterly futile and more harmless than the regular flue.

Anyway, can you think of any reason as to why intellectual property should exist in the first place? Ferrari actually owns a color of red, does that make sense to you? Do you really want the police chasing people that share things with each other?

[Straightfromcompton1]

I was using the swine flu example of how quickly something can spread worldwide from a handful of people, you were obviously too stupid to spot this. As for your ferrari red example, that's crap also, if game developers were trying to copyright green or yellow, or tomatoes then you might have a point, but the difference is they develop something new each time. And how many people download movies before they are even out at the movies? Loads of them.

[Visfen]

Yes, they do, but it is not like fewer people are watching the movies at the cinema. In fact attendance is going up in all countries with internet access, the same can be said about concerts and about sales of software

But what I was discussing was the legitimacy of owning an idea, essentially having a thought as property.The extension of that is basically that If I think of the same thing, I am stealing, because you were first.You can not own an idea, because it doesn't exist in the real world

[Visfen]

And yes, Ferrari actually owns a shade of red. A perfect example of the absurdity of intellectual property.

My point is, you can not deem something as unlawful, immoral or illegal if someones property rights are not being infringed on. As I do not agree with the concept of owning an idea, I think it is simply a way to incentivise such an industry and diverts resources into otherwise unprofitable projects, I do not see how it is unlawful.

You can not own something theoretical, only physical.

[Straightfromcompton1]

As I do not agree with the concept of owning an idea - So you think it's fair for one company to invest years of development costs in researching something, to have it taken up by another company as soon as they perfect it? Why should a company who have done nothing benefit from another company who have invested millions in research and development costs?

[Visfen]

If it took you years to research something that could that easily be duplicated then you really haven't come up with something.

People that work in the innovative industries often don't even bother to take out patents because their product is simply so new and revolutionary that it can not be duplicated.

Why should a company that have wasted resources to develop something so easily duplicated be rewarded with a government mandated monopoly on such a product?

Let the free market function!

[Straightfromcompton1]

So by your logic, I could set a website where I build a huge userbase and everyone contributes 1 cent. Let's say I get a million users and we buy say 1 copy of 3000 different PC games, then we all share that one copy. You don't see that happening with no copyright laws as you want to see?

[Visfen]

Well in the real world, this world, people still buy tons of PC Games,Movies, Software and other copyrighted easily shared material because they like to own original copies, or they want to own it before anybody else.

But you have talked a lot about the problems of sharing. What about the problem of getting to people that do share? Unless we give up our individual liberties and right to privacy the government doesn't have any authority to get to you (unless you do things like child pornography)

[Lastebb]

@Visfen

@Visfen

"If it took you years to research something that could that easily be duplicated then you really haven't come up with something."

Rubbish. Not all new ideas while appealing, are totally immune or difficult against being copied. Your knowledge and experience are still lacking I'm afraid.

[Straightfromcompton1]

And presumably you also think that looking at other peoples exam papers is legitimate too. Hell, let someone else put the time in, and just leech of their hard work eh.

[Visfen]

No, that is cheating. At a test you are supposed to show of your own skill.

Look I understand what you are trying to say, I just simply think it is ridiculous to own an idea. It doesn't matter if I worked on it for a decade, just because I put time and money on something doesn't mean that I can own it, it has to be real first.

You get benefit enough from being first. It takes years to retool factories to change manufacturing and it takes several years to duplicate and manufacture medicine.

[Lastebb]

@Visfen

@Visfen

"Look I understand what you are trying to say, I just simply think it is ridiculous to own an idea. It doesn't matter if I worked on it for a decade, just because I put time and money on something doesn't mean that I can own it, it has to be real first."

The concept of patents is to stop people from stealing or copying an idea AND THEN taking all the credit and passing it off as theirs.

[Straightfromcompton1]

And presumably you agree with counterfeiting also then. I'm sure you'd be complaining if you bought something on Ebay and got a counterfeit instead.

[Visfen]

Why would I agree with counterfeiting? You don't even make sense.

Well I can play this game too, I presume you like to rape little children, murder them and then boil and eat them. Isn't this fun?

I'm against counterfeiting. It is unlawfully taking purchasing power away from those that hold the currency. It is no better when the governments do it trough central banks than when individuals do it.

[Straightfromcompton1]

What is fundementally wrong with a person who sinks time and money into developing a PC gaming having the right to charge what they want for it. You have the right not to pay the price and not use it. It's how the world works, if you create something, you get to set the price that you sell it for. Just because people don't always agree with that price, doesn't give them the right to take it for free.

[Visfen]

But property rights only exists in the real world, they do not extend to ideas. Intellectual property is simply a form of protectionism of industry.

You are not "taking" anything when you make a digital copy, because nobody owns it.

[Straightfromcompton1]

If I want a Ferrari but think they charge too much for it am I right to steal one from the manufacturer. I supppose you'd say no because they have to create another. But the same logic goes for sharing, by sharing you de-value the price of the product, which cuts down their return on investment, which has the same result as stealing a physical product - It takes money from the manufacturers pocket.

[Visfen]

So copying something is the same as stealing a car? If you actually could copy a ferrari at the costs of a few watts of energy, would you honestly be against it? Would you deem it to be the same form of stealing as taking the physical car.

You can not devalue anything if you do not actually physically take it. Those copies are free because it doesn't cost anything to duplicate.

People want to buy new products, so they still pay for things that later that year will be available for download.

[sony8877]

the principal is the same but the value in the fararri is the product, the value in the game or music is the intellegence behind it, the value of the blank disc is zero. its a really tricky arguement and by legalising file sharing you will cripple the music and gaming industry but in my opinion they will hae to adjust and people will decide if they wish to keep the industry alive by paying for the parts of it that they really want

[manoo205]

How is someone going to steal your ideas when you can still use them? In order to steal somebody, you must prevent the other person to use what you are stealing, for example, I steal a car, and the owner cannot use it. I use your idea, but you can still use it. SO THAT IS NOT STEALING!! i

[Straightfromcompton1]

So presumably you think all counterfeiting is fine then by your logic. Why should a gaming company invest milliions of pounds in a game to give it a way? The world isn't a charity. If you can't afford the price, either get a better job or shut the fuck up. Or maybe you think the whole world exists to give stuff away. I'm sure you'd love to go to work everyday and work for free.

[TashkentFox]

Ooh-Argh Cap'n..

[HopsNBarley2002]

Could possibly be the worst interveiwer ever.

[iAlta]

indeed

[StunningBlow]

Russia Today: supporting copyright violation, nigger russians, and other crap!

[youstupidwoman]

copyright a way to steel some one else;s idea

[pmf026]

go kill yourself

[youstupidwoman]

suck your own anus loser lol ,

[pmf026]

fuck you, god damned ugly knife-nosed scum!

[youstupidwoman]

did you think that up on your own ,or did you use the Babylonian Talmud , ,u kisser of jewish harlots anus , or as we know it as the USA

[RussianMongol]

judging from your channel comments, I guess you're an asshole on other videos too.

[DeathlyReaper217]

Russia Today: Supporting communism and our right to stick it to you rich motherfuckers who only want more money.

[MissMelodia]

☠ ☠ ☠ ☠ ☠

Its a global movement google them and read all about the movement its for all of us not only Swede´s

As The Pirate Party say´s

First we take Sweden then Europe then we are going global ☠

[DeathlyReaper217]

Greetings from Australia. Sweden has fallen and so has Germany and Estonia to the Pirate Curtain. Only a matter of time before Pirate Party Australia comes to power and takes the fight to the government and bring these bastards into account.

[MicroHive]

I agree with you guys, she did seem kinda uninterested and it really bugged me...

Anyway, great news and best wishes for the Pirate Party and the Pirate Bay!

[lumpfish99]

its about protecting privacy....i want to help...

[RitchieBrinckmore]

I'm a member of this party, but for me, the defense of the personal integrity - which is being abolished by the current Swedish parlament parties - is the core issue, not the file-sharing and piracy.

[5687678]

This party got my support.

[antiminati]

Some good news!!! I must remember this day LOL

[Jewishfan]

Sounds like a cool party!

And that dude is funny :)

[U2Berror]

Bravo!!!!

[ijxijxijx]

best news of the year

[abarzilai664]

Shows how much contempt people had for mainstream parties.

[Th4tsNotM1lk]

nerd.

[lllraverslll]

hell yeah

[R3dp055um]

Whoa. You can sure tell this station is state-sponsored, rather than a free and independent media outlet.

I thought the news reader's hostility came across pretty loud and clear there.

[therhythmicmenace]

great news for net neutrality, pity the news woman didn't have much grasp of that concept

[dakusahab]

lol.