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This woman has been paid 1.9 million Euros so far by us,the taxpayers. She is entitled to huge benefits when she retires...also paid by us.
She is the EU's "information" Commissioner and has an annual bugdget of 2.4 Billion Euros.....paid by us.
When the Lisbon treaty has been FORCED down the throats of democratic Europeans,there will be a "citizens" Commissioner for 500 million people with an IMPOSED nationality...paid by us.
"My naive belief is that if we ask citizens, we will have better quality policies" She thinks it's okay to replace genuine democracy with some sort of letter-box consultation scheme, where no politician is obliged to do anything. It is simply fallacious, and morally reprehensible. Line after line, she blunders her way, forging a political-supremacy argument which is sad and scary. Notice the last line which seperates "pan-European" & "member-states" denying the symbiosis between the two.
Wallström is a whore wich protects pornografi and is a dictator wich tortured the German journalist Tallman! She took 1,2 miljons of your tax-pay in retirenment taxfree!
The EU has all the institutions of a real state in place eg.currency (Euro),Central Bank,Justice Ministry (Eurojust),Police (Europol),their own Court,EU Parliament and un-elected Commission.
The only thing missing are ... THE CITIZENS of this "state" !
The EU is the world's first "democratic" institution where the ONLY directly-elected body ( the EU Parliament ) has NO POWER TO LEGISLATE !
VOTE in the European elections 2009 and save FREEDOM & true DEMOCRACY in Europe !
PLANS to isolate Ireland and force the country to hold a second referendum on the Lisbon treaty by next March
The meeting and dinner heard how Irelands intellectual mediocrity and lack of political courage led to the rejection of the Lisbon treaty and included discussions of how to cuddle and pamper the Irish voter ahead of a new vote while at the same time making pressures on them'
My friend, if you don't see the fact that Mr. B. obviously suffers from (querulous) paranoia, you might wanna seek medical consultation, too. That's why he had problems in the SU in the first place, obviously; they kicked him out and England welcomed him with open arms. (Why? YOU do the math.) And as you're into quotations: "Always listen to an idea - but don't waste your time on idiots." Michael Korda.
Btw, re to yr expl.: That Mr. B. does look like a passionate binge drinker, doesn't he? ;-)
Ah, I start to see where you're coming from. A man that spent 12 years in the Gulags and exposed the Soviet use of psychiatric hospitals on political prisoners - but you side with the USSR and call him drunk and insane. Well, I hope that's the famous German sense of humour at work, because otherwise it's in rather poor taste: do you remember what the Soviets did to your country?
I think it's time we drew this correspondence to a close. It's been both instructive and revealing.
Oh my goodness - are you that blind? If - IF -Mr. B went thru all that in the SU and then compares the EU to that totalitatarian state, claiming EUROPOL to be worse than the KGB, than he's nothing but a moron, yes. The Soviets and "my" country? Well, they were brutally attacked and taught "my" country a lesson it will hopefully never forget. The EU is an organisation preventing wars among its member states, anyway. Oh, and you still owe me an explanation as to "so much pain" the EU brought IYO.
As long as the anti-EU field is overwhelmingly populated by closet fascists, Soviet apologists, conspiracy loonies and yankee suck-ups, the EU can be nothing but a good thing.
You judge a man by his enemies; the same applies to our Union.
I can, as a democrat, think on my own and do not have to re-babble or rely on any stupid quotations, particular not on that of "Soviet dissident warning on EU dictatorship" - if he was quoted correctly by the newspaper. This statement of him - if he made it - is so moronic that it forbids any further commentary.
You obviously have no clue what constitutes a dictatorship. Or democracy, for that matter. If you like your country to leave the EU, just vote for the "right" party in your country.
"Moronic" "Stupid" "Forbids further commentary". Sounds like the words of someone losing an argument, rather than a "democrat who can think on his own".
First, there is no constitution. It *was* rejected by referenda. Second, I have no problem with such referenda. In my country, according to its constitution, there are no referenda to be held on matters such as EU treaties. But let's have them. It's much better to have fully committed member states only building the EU than countries who are members just because of financial advantages. (Btw, it's laughable to claim democracy was introduced 250 ago - when women weren't allowed to vote, f. i.)
The point is that you should not claim to know any better what democracy is and what not than I do. And the fact is that the Lisbon Treaty is not a constitution. Apart from the non-constitutional branding, it misses important, identity building parts and important aspects when it comes to common foreign policies, among others. Your quotations are selective and there were made in certain situational contexts, anyway. And nobody knows as of today if the Lisbon Treaty will enter into force.
I'm sorry, but I have only persisted with this debate because I DO believe I understand what constitutes democracy better than you do.
And the EU does NOT constitute a democratic entity.
But don't take my word for it. Try Vladimir Bukovsky - someone who was prepared to put his life on the line for democracy rather than simply mouthing off on YouTube.
I can't post a link but Google 'Former Soviet Dissident Warns For EU Dictatorship' at the Brussels Journal.
And do you really believe 27 countries, each of which run by democratically elected governments - would form or be part of an entity like the EU - constitution or not - if that entity wasn't completely democratic? The fact that the Lisbon Treaty HAS to be ratified by all those countries is just another proof for the EU being a democratic entity. How can anyone in his right mind imagine it to be a "dictatorship" instead? That is ludicrous and nothing else.
If an electorate can't change executive policy, it's a dictatorship.
EG: in the UK, we are to enact a law that drops the drink-drive limit and introduces random tests. 2 years ago, the UK Govt dismissed the idea as unworkable, with unintended consequences.
But the EU executive - the commission - has imposed the measure anyway, over our heads. Even if every MP stood against these measures, and every UK citizen voted against, we would still have to enact them.
No, that is supranational democracy in a Union you decided to join. A majority decision you don't even have to live with - otherwise, we might, just might talk about "dictatorship". Just decide to leave the EU and you, along with many others, will live perfectly happy ever after.
Each day, there are a lot of decisions being made by my local, regional, national or European governments, respectively, that I wouldn't vote for personally. But that's democracy, legitimized by majorities.
You miss the point entirely. It's not whether or not I want to live with any particular Governmental decision. It's the fact that 60 million Britons (and every member of their parliament) could vote against the measure and still not be able to change one single word. And in the case of the EU, these laws are entirely instigated by an unelected bureaucracy that will never have to face an electorate. If you can't see why or how that is utterly undemocratic, I fear for your future.
"It's much better to have fully committed member states only building the EU than countries who are members just because of financial advantages."
Hear, hear, Frankinho.
Shall22, the fact is such en masse vote will never happen. And that's because, regardless of what nationalists claim, a person's interests and allegiances don't necessarily coincide with those of the majority in his country.
A Welsh welder has more in common with a Maltese welder than with an English CEO, for instance.
1. "It's much better to have fully committed states[.....]" Of course. But committed people, not governments. Let the people in each state have a (fair) vote. We were last allowed one in 1973. The EU always runs scared of the people, because a) they think they know better and b) fear they'll lose.
2. My point is not the shared commonality of British interests. Or the issue under debate. It's the EU construct's zero democratic control over the executive. And no, the parliament is not it.
->1) Why blame the EU? Who decides in your country to have a referendum or not? Your elected government, doesn't it? And who elected that gov't? Why blame the EU for all of that? R u that biased?
->2) AFAIK, the EP cld have kind of a no-confidence vote on the Commission (as a whole). & doncha think the Council (con. of democratically elected gov'ts) would kick some asses if the Commsn. ran amuck? Isn't it rather a more or less well-designed system of checks&balances than one with "zero" cntrl?
I also find it ridiculous, to say the least, when people in England start railing against the EU for supposedly being anti-democratic (EU Parliament, Ombudsman, etc notwithstanding) when neither their head of state nor their Prime Minister were elected. Oh, and then there's the House of "Lords" (lol), that bastion of participatory democracy.
Oh my dear, do you really believe the Commission is like the Buckingham Palace or that they live in the Ivory Tower, breeding laws just for the fun of it, all by themselves? YOU go and check out HOW European laws are created and WHY the Commissioners don't have to face electorates. Do you know what would happen if they repeatedly made laws that majorities (in the Council, in the EP, in EP elections) wouldn't agree to more or less up front? What would yr voting system on the Commission look like?
andymurray2007 MAY be wrong. Eire still has the vestigial remains of Democracy and freedom even though in the main they are one of the 27 vassal states shackled to the corpse of the corrupt EU, their Politicians and EU rubber stampers have been unable to prevent them having a Referendum on surrendering their remaining rights they have to be condemned to obeissance to the EU's new Constitution, dishonestly rebranded by the EU propaganda department as the Lisbon Treaty.
Why should the best project Europe has ever had end? Where's the pain when the EU has guaranteed peace among its member states in former war-ridden Europe? Where's the pain when I don't have to pay any stupid commissions when travelling within the Euro zone? Where's the pain when I don't have to show any stupid passport when travelling within the Schengen zone? Where's the pain when I have the legal right to work and live wherever I want to within in the EU, being an EU citizen? Etc.? WHERE?
1. NATO brought peace, the EU is likely to explode with the opposite effect. 2. Zero commission on currency exchange pales into insignificance against the macro-economic disaster brewing because countries which aren't aligned economically are trying to exist under the same interest rates... and so on and so on. But rather than demolish every point you make, just tell us: do you believe in democracy or not? Because the EU is anti-democratic BY DESIGN. 80% of our law is enacted by the unelected.
NATO? Brought peace when it came to the east/west conflict. Not *within* the EC. I do believe on democracy. The EU is democratically institutionalized. But not every decision has to be agreed upon by a referendum, I think, particularly not by referendae with veto character when one country can block all other 26. Democracy means majority decisions. And btw, there is no "macro-economic disaster brewing". Quite on the contrary, the EU is the way to raise living standards throughout Europe.
"democratically institutionalized"?! Don't make me laugh. On the contrary, the EU was established by Monnet et al to avoid the messy problems they believed had been caused by democracy and national Governments. Thus an unelected bureaucracy now proposes laws and regulations which cannot be altered by the Europarliament and increasingly can't be modified by national Governments because of QMV. Forget the referendum, I'd just like my elected representatives to make the laws I have to live under.
Your elected representatives in fact make the laws, maybe not directly but in essence. The commissioners are appointed by the elected national governments, the Council - consisting of representatives of the elected national governments - sets the general political guidelines and the European Parliament can in fact block legislation. Again, that's democracy, i. e. majority ruling, at a supranational level. More or less the only way it could ever work to bring all or most EU member states forward.
Sorry mate, but democracy (as understood in those countries where it first evolved, 250-odd years ago) is a system designed to allow the people to get rid of venal, corrupt or authoritarian rulers. The EU's pretend democracy - as outlined in your post above - is almost perfectly designed to achieve the exact opposite. And if you're so confident that I'm wrong, and you're right, then allow the people of all the member states to vote on the constitution. Almost every party promised it, after all.
More staggeringly misleading Aesopian nonsense from The minister of Propaganda - Note 1,400 members on her Forum (out of 400 Million) is considered good democratic progress! Yet one notes the utter corruption whereby the EU Constitution is rejected by ALL who have a free vote (a DEMOCRATIC Decision) so it is repackaged and rebranded with greatewr obfuscation and called The Lisbon Treaty and in the knowledge it would be rejected by the electorate they are denied a Referendum - DICTATORSHIP!
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IowaArmen 1 year ago
This woman has been paid 1.9 million Euros so far by us,the taxpayers. She is entitled to huge benefits when she retires...also paid by us.
She is the EU's "information" Commissioner and has an annual bugdget of 2.4 Billion Euros.....paid by us.
When the Lisbon treaty has been FORCED down the throats of democratic Europeans,there will be a "citizens" Commissioner for 500 million people with an IMPOSED nationality...paid by us.
Welcome to post-democratic Europe.
Only Ireland can save us.
Spenner56 2 years ago
"My naive belief is that if we ask citizens, we will have better quality policies" She thinks it's okay to replace genuine democracy with some sort of letter-box consultation scheme, where no politician is obliged to do anything. It is simply fallacious, and morally reprehensible. Line after line, she blunders her way, forging a political-supremacy argument which is sad and scary. Notice the last line which seperates "pan-European" & "member-states" denying the symbiosis between the two.
ProtectingDemocracy 2 years ago
Wallström is a whore wich protects pornografi and is a dictator wich tortured the German journalist Tallman! She took 1,2 miljons of your tax-pay in retirenment taxfree!
jjamesbondoviza 2 years ago
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STAY FREE !
The EU has all the institutions of a real state in place eg.currency (Euro),Central Bank,Justice Ministry (Eurojust),Police (Europol),their own Court,EU Parliament and un-elected Commission.
The only thing missing are ... THE CITIZENS of this "state" !
The EU is the world's first "democratic" institution where the ONLY directly-elected body ( the EU Parliament ) has NO POWER TO LEGISLATE !
VOTE in the European elections 2009 and save FREEDOM & true DEMOCRACY in Europe !
Spenner56 3 years ago
Vad stsslar du med!!!!!
Falsare 3 years ago
.....im watchin you margot....
PLANS to isolate Ireland and force the country to hold a second referendum on the Lisbon treaty by next March
The meeting and dinner heard how Irelands intellectual mediocrity and lack of political courage led to the rejection of the Lisbon treaty and included discussions of how to cuddle and pamper the Irish voter ahead of a new vote while at the same time making pressures on them'
paddioche 3 years ago 2
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47.9% Voted against Mugabe in Zimbabwe's elections.
The EU described it as 'travesty of democracy' & supported MDC decision not to stand in second round.
53.4% Vote against Lisbon Treaty in The Constitution/Lisbon Referendum.
The EU implied the Irish were stupid & didn't understand & said it 'regrets' and would like them to run again a second time.
At least Mugabe was elected by democratic means though his mandate has run out - The Commission was NEVER elected & MEPs have no say!
Greg260146 3 years ago
What I want from Europe is: Education, Education, Education. Right now it is all going backwards.
If the educational system wouldn't have been broken, we wouldn't have needed the Muslums who themselves only aggravated the situation further.
Valinomycin 3 years ago
My friend, if you don't see the fact that Mr. B. obviously suffers from (querulous) paranoia, you might wanna seek medical consultation, too. That's why he had problems in the SU in the first place, obviously; they kicked him out and England welcomed him with open arms. (Why? YOU do the math.) And as you're into quotations: "Always listen to an idea - but don't waste your time on idiots." Michael Korda.
Btw, re to yr expl.: That Mr. B. does look like a passionate binge drinker, doesn't he? ;-)
Frankinho45 3 years ago
Ah, I start to see where you're coming from. A man that spent 12 years in the Gulags and exposed the Soviet use of psychiatric hospitals on political prisoners - but you side with the USSR and call him drunk and insane. Well, I hope that's the famous German sense of humour at work, because otherwise it's in rather poor taste: do you remember what the Soviets did to your country?
I think it's time we drew this correspondence to a close. It's been both instructive and revealing.
shall22 3 years ago
Oh my goodness - are you that blind? If - IF -Mr. B went thru all that in the SU and then compares the EU to that totalitatarian state, claiming EUROPOL to be worse than the KGB, than he's nothing but a moron, yes. The Soviets and "my" country? Well, they were brutally attacked and taught "my" country a lesson it will hopefully never forget. The EU is an organisation preventing wars among its member states, anyway. Oh, and you still owe me an explanation as to "so much pain" the EU brought IYO.
Frankinho45 3 years ago
Frankinho45:
As long as the anti-EU field is overwhelmingly populated by closet fascists, Soviet apologists, conspiracy loonies and yankee suck-ups, the EU can be nothing but a good thing.
You judge a man by his enemies; the same applies to our Union.
MarquisdeBarrabas 3 years ago
I can, as a democrat, think on my own and do not have to re-babble or rely on any stupid quotations, particular not on that of "Soviet dissident warning on EU dictatorship" - if he was quoted correctly by the newspaper. This statement of him - if he made it - is so moronic that it forbids any further commentary.
You obviously have no clue what constitutes a dictatorship. Or democracy, for that matter. If you like your country to leave the EU, just vote for the "right" party in your country.
Frankinho45 3 years ago
"Moronic" "Stupid" "Forbids further commentary". Sounds like the words of someone losing an argument, rather than a "democrat who can think on his own".
shall22 3 years ago
First, there is no constitution. It *was* rejected by referenda. Second, I have no problem with such referenda. In my country, according to its constitution, there are no referenda to be held on matters such as EU treaties. But let's have them. It's much better to have fully committed member states only building the EU than countries who are members just because of financial advantages. (Btw, it's laughable to claim democracy was introduced 250 ago - when women weren't allowed to vote, f. i.)
Frankinho45 3 years ago
Excellent, we at last agree on something. Referenda all round then. But - you say it isn't the constitution? That's not what your leaders say:
Giscard d'Estaing: "All the earlier proposals will be in the new text, but will be hidden and disguised in some way."
Jose Zapatero: "We have not let a single substantial point of the Constitutional Treaty go"
Angela Merkel: "The substance of the Constitution is preserved. That is a fact"
(ps universal suffrage could hardly happen overnight, could it?)
shall22 3 years ago
The point is that you should not claim to know any better what democracy is and what not than I do. And the fact is that the Lisbon Treaty is not a constitution. Apart from the non-constitutional branding, it misses important, identity building parts and important aspects when it comes to common foreign policies, among others. Your quotations are selective and there were made in certain situational contexts, anyway. And nobody knows as of today if the Lisbon Treaty will enter into force.
Frankinho45 3 years ago
I'm sorry, but I have only persisted with this debate because I DO believe I understand what constitutes democracy better than you do.
And the EU does NOT constitute a democratic entity.
But don't take my word for it. Try Vladimir Bukovsky - someone who was prepared to put his life on the line for democracy rather than simply mouthing off on YouTube.
I can't post a link but Google 'Former Soviet Dissident Warns For EU Dictatorship' at the Brussels Journal.
shall22 3 years ago
And do you really believe 27 countries, each of which run by democratically elected governments - would form or be part of an entity like the EU - constitution or not - if that entity wasn't completely democratic? The fact that the Lisbon Treaty HAS to be ratified by all those countries is just another proof for the EU being a democratic entity. How can anyone in his right mind imagine it to be a "dictatorship" instead? That is ludicrous and nothing else.
Frankinho45 3 years ago
If an electorate can't change executive policy, it's a dictatorship.
EG: in the UK, we are to enact a law that drops the drink-drive limit and introduces random tests. 2 years ago, the UK Govt dismissed the idea as unworkable, with unintended consequences.
But the EU executive - the commission - has imposed the measure anyway, over our heads. Even if every MP stood against these measures, and every UK citizen voted against, we would still have to enact them.
That, my friend, is dictatorship.
shall22 3 years ago
No, that is supranational democracy in a Union you decided to join. A majority decision you don't even have to live with - otherwise, we might, just might talk about "dictatorship". Just decide to leave the EU and you, along with many others, will live perfectly happy ever after.
Each day, there are a lot of decisions being made by my local, regional, national or European governments, respectively, that I wouldn't vote for personally. But that's democracy, legitimized by majorities.
Frankinho45 3 years ago
You miss the point entirely. It's not whether or not I want to live with any particular Governmental decision. It's the fact that 60 million Britons (and every member of their parliament) could vote against the measure and still not be able to change one single word. And in the case of the EU, these laws are entirely instigated by an unelected bureaucracy that will never have to face an electorate. If you can't see why or how that is utterly undemocratic, I fear for your future.
shall22 3 years ago
"It's much better to have fully committed member states only building the EU than countries who are members just because of financial advantages."
Hear, hear, Frankinho.
Shall22, the fact is such en masse vote will never happen. And that's because, regardless of what nationalists claim, a person's interests and allegiances don't necessarily coincide with those of the majority in his country.
A Welsh welder has more in common with a Maltese welder than with an English CEO, for instance.
MarquisdeBarrabas 3 years ago
1. "It's much better to have fully committed states[.....]" Of course. But committed people, not governments. Let the people in each state have a (fair) vote. We were last allowed one in 1973. The EU always runs scared of the people, because a) they think they know better and b) fear they'll lose.
2. My point is not the shared commonality of British interests. Or the issue under debate. It's the EU construct's zero democratic control over the executive. And no, the parliament is not it.
shall22 3 years ago
->1) Why blame the EU? Who decides in your country to have a referendum or not? Your elected government, doesn't it? And who elected that gov't? Why blame the EU for all of that? R u that biased?
->2) AFAIK, the EP cld have kind of a no-confidence vote on the Commission (as a whole). & doncha think the Council (con. of democratically elected gov'ts) would kick some asses if the Commsn. ran amuck? Isn't it rather a more or less well-designed system of checks&balances than one with "zero" cntrl?
Frankinho45 3 years ago
I also find it ridiculous, to say the least, when people in England start railing against the EU for supposedly being anti-democratic (EU Parliament, Ombudsman, etc notwithstanding) when neither their head of state nor their Prime Minister were elected. Oh, and then there's the House of "Lords" (lol), that bastion of participatory democracy.
Really, ridiculous.
MarquisdeBarrabas 3 years ago
Oh my dear, do you really believe the Commission is like the Buckingham Palace or that they live in the Ivory Tower, breeding laws just for the fun of it, all by themselves? YOU go and check out HOW European laws are created and WHY the Commissioners don't have to face electorates. Do you know what would happen if they repeatedly made laws that majorities (in the Council, in the EP, in EP elections) wouldn't agree to more or less up front? What would yr voting system on the Commission look like?
Frankinho45 3 years ago
Astonishing. They stop everyone from having a referendum on the constitution and then try to pretend that they are interested in what people think.
The EU project will end very badly. Shame that so much pain will have to be endured before it crashes.
shall22 3 years ago
Indeed - the hypocrasy at the heart of the eu is breathtaking
you are right though, the eu is doomed to failure and the UK will be the first to leave
others will follow
andymurray2007 3 years ago
andymurray2007 MAY be wrong. Eire still has the vestigial remains of Democracy and freedom even though in the main they are one of the 27 vassal states shackled to the corpse of the corrupt EU, their Politicians and EU rubber stampers have been unable to prevent them having a Referendum on surrendering their remaining rights they have to be condemned to obeissance to the EU's new Constitution, dishonestly rebranded by the EU propaganda department as the Lisbon Treaty.
Eire MAY lead the way!
Greg260146 3 years ago
Why should the best project Europe has ever had end? Where's the pain when the EU has guaranteed peace among its member states in former war-ridden Europe? Where's the pain when I don't have to pay any stupid commissions when travelling within the Euro zone? Where's the pain when I don't have to show any stupid passport when travelling within the Schengen zone? Where's the pain when I have the legal right to work and live wherever I want to within in the EU, being an EU citizen? Etc.? WHERE?
Frankinho45 3 years ago
1. NATO brought peace, the EU is likely to explode with the opposite effect. 2. Zero commission on currency exchange pales into insignificance against the macro-economic disaster brewing because countries which aren't aligned economically are trying to exist under the same interest rates... and so on and so on. But rather than demolish every point you make, just tell us: do you believe in democracy or not? Because the EU is anti-democratic BY DESIGN. 80% of our law is enacted by the unelected.
shall22 3 years ago
NATO? Brought peace when it came to the east/west conflict. Not *within* the EC. I do believe on democracy. The EU is democratically institutionalized. But not every decision has to be agreed upon by a referendum, I think, particularly not by referendae with veto character when one country can block all other 26. Democracy means majority decisions. And btw, there is no "macro-economic disaster brewing". Quite on the contrary, the EU is the way to raise living standards throughout Europe.
Frankinho45 3 years ago
"democratically institutionalized"?! Don't make me laugh. On the contrary, the EU was established by Monnet et al to avoid the messy problems they believed had been caused by democracy and national Governments. Thus an unelected bureaucracy now proposes laws and regulations which cannot be altered by the Europarliament and increasingly can't be modified by national Governments because of QMV. Forget the referendum, I'd just like my elected representatives to make the laws I have to live under.
shall22 3 years ago
Your elected representatives in fact make the laws, maybe not directly but in essence. The commissioners are appointed by the elected national governments, the Council - consisting of representatives of the elected national governments - sets the general political guidelines and the European Parliament can in fact block legislation. Again, that's democracy, i. e. majority ruling, at a supranational level. More or less the only way it could ever work to bring all or most EU member states forward.
Frankinho45 3 years ago
Sorry mate, but democracy (as understood in those countries where it first evolved, 250-odd years ago) is a system designed to allow the people to get rid of venal, corrupt or authoritarian rulers. The EU's pretend democracy - as outlined in your post above - is almost perfectly designed to achieve the exact opposite. And if you're so confident that I'm wrong, and you're right, then allow the people of all the member states to vote on the constitution. Almost every party promised it, after all.
shall22 3 years ago
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2010 - nu labour and eu - Dead Men Walking
in 2010 the UK will throw the swtich and watch, relieved and avenged as justice is served
never again will such filth and scum be allowed to interfere with the British way of life
2010 - nu labour and eu - Dead Men Walking
andymurray2007 3 years ago
From the same people who brought you "The Euro will Crash and Burn" comes a daring new prediction...
MarquisdeBarrabas 3 years ago
More staggeringly misleading Aesopian nonsense from The minister of Propaganda - The electorate are denied a Referendum - DICTATORSHIP!
I Could not rephrase that any better if I tried - WELL DONE THAT MAN !
warlordwhyaye 3 years ago
More staggeringly misleading Aesopian nonsense from The minister of Propaganda - Note 1,400 members on her Forum (out of 400 Million) is considered good democratic progress! Yet one notes the utter corruption whereby the EU Constitution is rejected by ALL who have a free vote (a DEMOCRATIC Decision) so it is repackaged and rebranded with greatewr obfuscation and called The Lisbon Treaty and in the knowledge it would be rejected by the electorate they are denied a Referendum - DICTATORSHIP!
Greg260146 3 years ago
Great video.
agryson 3 years ago