I would love to be in the receiving end of this. I want to try my highly sophisticated defense technique called "don't jump around like an idiot".
And seriously 0:59? I mean do you see this and still believe it is true?
It is sad that this junk actually traces back to Takeda. Daito ryu was truly used in battlefields effectively but this is a bad photocopy of a bad photocopy... Check out Katsuyuki Kondo.
I am Daitoryu Takumakai senoir 20 yr member in Osaka Japan..all those who say this is not Aikijujutsu is wrong..seigo Okamoto is true Daitoryu Master I have felt his aiki of Kodo Horikawa.....Aikido students do not understand daitoryu so they cannot explain these techniques...feel okamotos Soshi techniques you will believe
LMFAO you all dont know what the fuck u are talking about in fact I've never seen such ignorance. in fact this is were aikido, and hopkido came from. i've taken karate wing chun, jeet kune do, hopkido, genbukan and aikido (and i hold a black belt or higher in at least three of thos) and I can tell you this the better u are at this art aikijutsu/aikido the more fake it LOOKS none the less this is in my opinion the most effective martial art there is. You all need to study up on your budo.
I have derived hours of enjoyment watching this 1:16 clip over and over again. Though I would honestly like to see what he could do with sincere uke who reacted solely to the technique and not to whatever performance was expected.
Yes I agree they are putting on a show, but aikido, aiki-jujitsu and the lot do work. Do they have weaknesses? Yes. Are those arts I mention all powerful...LOL. No. But hold on to your hats. That applies to BJJ,Sambo,Jeet Kune Do, Kali, Boxing/Wrestling and so forth. Oh and a great martial art can suck if its used by a moron.
you should feel it and get thrown by Okamoto or one of his students...before you criticize....I thought it was fake too until I went to one of his seminars years ago and got dealt the same thing as those guys in the video. ALSO, when my technique was correct I was able to throw guys....very small spherical movements...kinda like bagua...
Having Said That There are some Pain and Crippling Injuring Techniques that have been Developed from Martial Arts Currently Been Used by the Organized Crime and Intelligence Community to Intimidate Marks and Cripple Opponents.
Kurtkobain you must be wrong..Aikido's inventer ueshiba sold everything he owned and devoted his life to the founder of this style..sokaku takeda..of which he formed aikido.
Ueshiba sold everything he owned and devoted his life to being a roving minstrel. He sang songs on wine, women, and public drunkeness. It was from his bar ballads that people derrived the notion that he was some sort of enlightened teacher. "Surely", the people of Japan thought, "no one would swing their arms so ridiculously and dance with inanimate objects unless they had a revaluation about spirituality and martial arts.
Everyone saying it's misinformation (for whatever purpose) or that it "doesn't work" may not realize that this is just a demonstration. The principles behind these demos are being used flamboyantly here, but the principles, are in effect, real and apply to combat situations. If you understood how difficult it is to master the art of redirecting energy, pulling off this demonstration should appear to be only a demonstration of the potential effectiveness this art truly has.
I have been training in this system for 4 years and it is hard, but I can toss someone across a room with the flick of a wrist now. It is NOT a fighting system - it is self defense against an attacker.
frostymane , you are right , it is very hard to se if it is real or not , one has to feel it to belive , it is ok for me that people do not belive it , but to be nasty , ect , is as stupid and inmature , but we live in a free world , and people like to say their opinion
um... what is this? I was under the impression that Daito house's Aikijujitsu was one of the most advanced CQC systems in the world. This looks terrible and is not applicable in any situation. I guess the real practitioners don't want people to know and are hiding it and using misinformation techniques, sigh... 8-(
this is not Aikido , a you have to feel it to undersyand it . and to try to explain it in a short text is impossible , there is Aikisage in the first waza a 0.09 , hes balance is taking . 1:13 there is pressure on bones and muscels + presure down on there legs , + the balance is taking/kuzushi also your breath is stop , that makes it even harder on ones body , gladf to hear that there is so many Masters out there
I'm not saying it's not real, I'm saying it's hard for people to believe if they aren't involved with it and the first thing they see are these techniques. No disrespect to this great school at all.
I've practiced aikido and I feel that it is effective if you really know how to use it, but this video of Daito-ryu aikijutsu makes me skeptical. What the hell is this: 0:09, 0:50, and look at the faces on 1:13. If this is Daito-ryu aikijutsu I can see why O-Sensei created aikido.
Renzoko1 and Itsumomanbu were having a heated discussion and after they where done they removed all the post themselves it was not censored like you are thinking :)
i have been in Daitoryu for 23 years , and have friends , in roppokai , kodokai ,takumakai , Kondo´s Daitoryu
and many aikido styles , also in Taichi bagua , hsing i , wing chun , and we all se great things in each style , and we all know that it works
i have freinds in karate and kung fu to and they also know it works , but they like karate + kung fu better , but they are still my freinds , do what suit you best and satisfy your martial needs
Yoshida kotaro , all did their own version and made their own system of how to train teach and do Daitoryu , / people are different , and have different opinion , different body types/seize , hence some diferent in the same style, but i like when people say i can see what they are doing even thoe they have not , try it or not been in Daitoryu for many years , but still they know
Daitoryu Aikijujutsu has many waza at several level´s. the students do not trow themselvs , and it is not like the KI master
who lost to a karate student , but one have to try it to belive, i you look in Sagawa´s photo´s he do the same thing as Okamoto sensei, Takeda Sogaku , did not teach in Ikkajo to Gokajo manner, it is Takeda tokimune that do it in this order , takumakai have also done it , but do not do it any more, that stricly , mostly groups from Tokimune , do the ikkajo to gokajo
the demo´s is on hegh level aiki , similar to what hakaru mori dos in the 2 latest demo Roppokai + kodokai dos also have the basic jujutsu waza even taht Kodo sensei did not do them in ikkajo order
Kodo horikawa also learn about jujutsu waza from Sagawa sensei about 100 waza from ikkajo to yonkajo , kondo and takumakai do ikkajo to gokajo first then aiki no jutsu , kodokai + roppokai goes rather quick to Aiki no jutsu and higher
I agree with Renzoko I train in Aiki Jujutsu and I have also studied Aikido. These are very Aikido looking techniques to me and on top of that people are throwing themselves around like idiots. I think this guy is rubbish and the ukies are throwing themselves just like most aikidoka do!!
I experienced the technique of one fo Okamoto sensei's students. These techniques work, although they don't have such an extreme effect every time and on everybody.
Ok first of all, all the trash talking baboons can just leave.
Secondly, the true importance of this art is the development of Ki. I have tried to attack one of these masters and your energy gets sucked right out of you. Go learn BJJ then fumanchudude, this is not the UFC. This is techniques you'll use in life or death situations. BJJ is good for competition, but I would rather just throw the opponent on the concrete and end it there with strikes. Lol, BJJ people think their the shit...
Yes well the head of Daito ryu here in Australia came to our Goshin Jujitsu class and tried this kinda stuff on us.. DIDNT WORK ON ONE OF US.. Ki works, but not in this type of way..want proof.. Go watch Ki master vs MMA and see what would happen if u tried this on the street..
I used to do aikijutsu. And I now do BJJ. These guys are just taking falls for their sensei because they are expected to. It is pure crap and a disgrace to real martial artists.
Well, *it is* a demonstration, which is to demonstrate what the technique can do to a person.
There is somewhat of a scientific method to it, and though not everyone will feel some attacks (some people are resistant to pain, double jointed, etc.) you must understand it is because we are all different anatomically. It's something I cannot explain well enough because I am still early in learning jujutsu (aiki is just one aspect of my school), but you must know how energy flows through the body.
before you comment on if this stuff works, go watch the video on here called "intro to Daitoryu Secrets". Find out who Okamoto is throwing at 5:00. Then tell me if it is BS or not.
one has to experience them to realy belive in them and with years of training
understand them, i think all new commers to Roppokai first think it is fake or strange or the uke was a bit to willing to jump ect . later one learn to use them (the waza ) in more realistic fight , even thou most people train for fun , and to get good health , + learn to defend one selv without to much damage to the opponent, if possible .
Nonsense, Japanese style did you say? Then Hino Akira 1/2 and Hino Akira 2/2 plays that game. For more entertainment on Japanese nonsense see his other vids.
wow I'm amazed with all the know it alls here. "Most" of you are why America is becoming more and more dumb. If you never felt it keep your fat mouth shut. Fucking know it alls. Everybody is so quick to say I know or fake without experiencing it. Okamoto is real. He is teaching principles you fucktards. The techniques might not all be applicable for fighting in today's society but the principles are.
Mhh! Do you think he teaches courtesy and self-control too? I fear you do Okamoto's reputation little good by abasing yourself to such crude language while trying to defend his art.
I don't care about Okamoto's reputation. I just know what he does is real. I am not defending it. All I know is that it works. Go back in the hole from which you crawled out of please.
That was fake. For example, the last thing he did to the group of students when he laid on them and they were all struggling, when he got off....one of them still kept the face of struggling on....Actually all of them
some of this looks fake, but a lot of it, is the uke are taught to commit fully to their attack, and keep trying. you can see it when someone grabs him, if the guy would just try and let go, he could move. but since he keeps trying, no matter how bad a position he is in, to keep trying the same hold, he stays stuck. in real life, it lasts about 1/4 of a second, but that is enough. for a demo, they are trying to make it obvious. good aiki is good stuff, daito ryu or otherwise...
Un buen arte se transforma en algo burdo cuando se caen en este tipo de demostraciones fantasiosa , paro lo que llevamos años en la practica del arte marcial esto es una burla.
Now I'm a medical student and I know human anatomy and how the body works, but I can't for the life of me figure out why these techniques work. Just watching them, you'd think they were fake, but having been on the receiving end, I know they are anything but. And to those who teach and sign the praises of Aikido and yet bash Daito Ryu as fake, how is that even possible as Aikido comes from Daito Ryu. These techniques are not in Aikido because O-Sensei never learned them.
I'm a 4th dan in kempo and my master is an 8th dan in kempo and a 5th dan in aikido. We both just took a day long Daito Ryu seminar at the Saratoga Martial Arts Festival this past weekend and we can both attest that these techniques are extremely effective. I've never been dropped to the floor so fast in my life. The muscle locking that is right at the beginning of this video is also real as it was done on me and I couldn't move. I didn't know it was coming either as I was not forewarned.
hahaha " At first Mr. Okamoto thought that the fights were fake, he couldn't believe that the small master Horikawa was really throwing 4 to 5 students instantly down, although they attacked all at once. However, when he was facing the master, the moment he made contact with the master's finger he was thrown down to the floor. Admiring the master's great technique, he continued to train and follow the path of Aiki."
you must not judge an art because of just some demonstrations, some senseis are totall atleast seems total fakes and some are violent, some others are careless and have no form.
We cannot really deside our opinion uppon some bad examples , this is why aikido and such arts are difficult to be inspired by since its very difficult to see results since there are no clear boundries like in karate, boxing and alike where you can see KO or a hit.
I teach Aikido and Kenpo, and you make sure I know very well what is fake or true. I don'want to give any opinion on that, but I'm ready to demonstrate these tecniques are totally fake and also the reason for which they are fake and the reason for which the uke goes down. Demonstration ... not opinion!
They are absolutelly fake. I'm ready to demonstrate they do not work with a honest attaker. They work just with this "master" students, and this is for a very simple reason. The same reason for which hipnotization works with some people but not with some other. Because it is absolutelly necessary that you want to do that. These uke want fall down and they want to believe this tecniques work. But a real tecnique must works in every cndition first of all if you your attaker doesn't want.
My authority comes from twenty years of experience in martial arts and fist of all Aikido. I've known a number of japanese Aikido Masters, KiAikido Masters and so on, and you can believe me when I state these techniques are fake, I'm ready to demonstrate whwnever you want, but unfortunatelly I haven't enough money to go to Japan (I'm from Italy) By
I have also come across several top Japanese Aikido masters at the Aikikai and others elsewhere
They are nowhere near the capabilities of high level Daito Ryu teachers,Only a few pre war students of ueshiba sensei came even close to this level,
They have vastly superior knowledge in body mechanics that produce these incredibly powerful techniques which are unknown to 99.9% of people out there.
May be you are right, but I don't like too much giveing opinions ... I prefer demonstrations so please give me names of some Daito High Level Master and I will reach them to demonstrate that in no cases they can do one of the technique in these videos with me. No words ... demonstrations.
very true at the tokyo roppokai they are very kind and gentle people I admit in pushing them to experience what it really feels like, i was close to getting injured and I have good ukemi skills fortunately.
Thank you Howard for the update about Okamoto sensei it makes happy to know he is doing well :)
Please forgive me. I have said this before. If anyone is interested in Roppokai, please let me know. Some may like it, some don't, but it works. You are welcome to visit anytime. My pleasure. And yes, Toshi-san is a really nice guy !
About Okamoto Sensei, he is doing just fine. Thanks for your concern.
I have this video too, but no matter how many times I watch it, I still find it unbelivable. Everything looks staged and pre-arranged. Why do we never see videos of aiki-jujitsu being used on outsiders, but always demo by own students?
Okamoto teaches aiki..horikowa was one of few of Sokaku's students who he showed thiese techn too. ueshiba used them but never showed how to do them. Okamoto travels worldwide and go to see him he will do this to u..make sure u can ukemi well though.
I believe aikijutsu is a good martial art, and i believe in using body dynamics and momentum to your advantage, but what was that thing at 0:09? Which branch of daito ryu is this, is this sensei affiliated with Katsuyuki Kondo?
Well with Osu you know something....it is a demo all teachers when doing demos do not want the technique to look like crap...every teach I have seen in my 20 years does this for a demo...since he is one of the top peeps in daito I would hope he knows something
Also I have noticed at the very top level the look and concept changes to normal aiki jujitsu
Osu! Its obvious he knows something, but its one thing when you go with the technique and another when you act for the technique. Its clear that his actors oh sorry I mean students are acting for and not flowing with his techniques.
Fishstoneqqq the comment you left on here is very unkind,
I hope people like yourself research Okamoto sensei or anyone's pedigree and art history before making comments like that again.
I've been studying this art from videos and there is a lot more to this than meets the eye
So in 2 days I fly to Japan and at one point will be able to uke for Okamoto sensei THEN I WILL KNOW IF HE IS THE REAL DEAL OR NOT,I'm an honest man and when on return shall comment on here from experience not imagination
I applaud you for testing before you make your conclusion. I'll be surprised if you are allowed to test the "master". My comments are strong and for that I appologize. But I assure you that I was duped a long time ago into believing this stuff is real. IT IS NOT!!!!!!
Sadly I have to say Okamoto sensei has had a stroke he is back in the dojo but is still recovering,
His students did not let me down they are amazing, very gently but very powerful in the end I was thrown by them as if they were giants but I was more than twice there size.
please if anyone has doubts please do not leave unkind comments but do as I have and try it yourself you wont be disappointed.
They have knowledge and skills that can make old useless techniques into frighting ones!
Proberily was Toshi who had thrown me as soon as I made contact with him it felt like I had been hit by a car! truly stunning power. It took me a few days to recover!
People really don't realize that this art is that good! and just tar it with the ( IT'S FAKE/CRAP ) brush because they simply don't understand what makes it work.
Sensei is recovering well but is not there yet, but I'm surehe will will be back to top form for my return trip next year!
I would love to be in the receiving end of this. I want to try my highly sophisticated defense technique called "don't jump around like an idiot".
And seriously 0:59? I mean do you see this and still believe it is true?
It is sad that this junk actually traces back to Takeda. Daito ryu was truly used in battlefields effectively but this is a bad photocopy of a bad photocopy... Check out Katsuyuki Kondo.
dauntul 2 months ago
mass hypnosis
TheSUBGAMER 2 months ago
bullshido
teddywinroth 5 months ago
LOL @ 0:58
Darrach122 6 months ago
Gostaria de saber por que tem tanto mentiroso no mundo das artes marciais.
pontes666 6 months ago
When we gonna see it in the Octagon ???
OxnardMontalvo1 8 months ago
Agreed you must definitely be on the receiving end to appreciate.
Ninjanuttz 8 months ago
senseigulio you know nothing about Daitoryu aikijujutsu...
Dojocho 9 months ago
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha ... i can,t stop laughing... :-)
billibongojutsu 10 months ago
kasa-waza 笑
supertotoro 10 months ago
This is not aiki ju jitsu this is a shame!!!
senseigiulio 1 year ago 2
Stupid.
megaman349 1 year ago
best acting ever
raze737 1 year ago
So this is what my beloved art, Hapkido, is based on?
If that is the case, the Koreans must have really improved on it.
This is a slap in the face to anyone who practices real Aikido/Hapkido/ Jujitsu.
milkyARB 1 year ago
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TheRogueMonk 1 year ago
I like Aikijujitsu, but this video sadly reminded me strongly of the Ki Master vs MMA video.
evrawk 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
FAKE FAKE FAKE
bxborijew 1 year ago
How funny. What's with all the backward head popping?
mogulprize 1 year ago
this bull crap......Fake Fake
bxborijew 1 year ago
What is this ???
BRANSTEF 1 year ago
I am Daitoryu Takumakai senoir 20 yr member in Osaka Japan..all those who say this is not Aikijujutsu is wrong..seigo Okamoto is true Daitoryu Master I have felt his aiki of Kodo Horikawa.....Aikido students do not understand daitoryu so they cannot explain these techniques...feel okamotos Soshi techniques you will believe
Dojocho 1 year ago 2
@Dojocho lol you can see difference between an ukemi and an exaduration this is prob exaduration..
even we in aikido do not do this .
TheRogueMonk 1 year ago
complete bolloxs if you wanna see real aiki then check my vid, sensei nigel timmins 2nd dan randoori
aikijutsuryu 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Some things are hard to belive until you are on the receiving end of them.
uminchu7th 1 year ago
ROFLMAO!
blugularis 1 year ago
This is definitely not Aikijujutsu
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
LMFAO you all dont know what the fuck u are talking about in fact I've never seen such ignorance. in fact this is were aikido, and hopkido came from. i've taken karate wing chun, jeet kune do, hopkido, genbukan and aikido (and i hold a black belt or higher in at least three of thos) and I can tell you this the better u are at this art aikijutsu/aikido the more fake it LOOKS none the less this is in my opinion the most effective martial art there is. You all need to study up on your budo.
Coyotespirit4 1 year ago 3
what a shame
kelvin198837 1 year ago
Great hollywood movie !
zzsharka 1 year ago
horrible
andr984 1 year ago
What a bunch of nonsense. Complete garbage and a disgrace to the martial arts.
silentfist862 1 year ago 2
well, just try it out to find out if it's real or not i guess
angelstrife 1 year ago
i don't understand the point of this video, most of the ukemi is obviously fake but why?
garyfox89 1 year ago
This video is a shame for anyone who actually practice some martial art.
mcouto2009 1 year ago
horrible!!!
SpiritLine 1 year ago
haha it really is funny because somethins are fake xD
lolnewbielol 1 year ago
I have derived hours of enjoyment watching this 1:16 clip over and over again. Though I would honestly like to see what he could do with sincere uke who reacted solely to the technique and not to whatever performance was expected.
ZenMondo 1 year ago
Yes I agree they are putting on a show, but aikido, aiki-jujitsu and the lot do work. Do they have weaknesses? Yes. Are those arts I mention all powerful...LOL. No. But hold on to your hats. That applies to BJJ,Sambo,Jeet Kune Do, Kali, Boxing/Wrestling and so forth. Oh and a great martial art can suck if its used by a moron.
PrsFenderJackson1980 1 year ago
wow even more bs than aikido
10chankc2 1 year ago
Some of this stuff is really looks like fooling around, but some could be user in combat
KievAMF 1 year ago
no its crap, at 15 sec in the magic begins.
the only way im going to fall with these attacks is if i trip on my hakama .
this works because no one wants to be the one that doesn't go along with this sensi
413wedge 1 year ago
this is the shit that gives all aikido a bad rap. puppetmasters barely touching anyone.
413wedge 2 years ago
you should feel it and get thrown by Okamoto or one of his students...before you criticize....I thought it was fake too until I went to one of his seminars years ago and got dealt the same thing as those guys in the video. ALSO, when my technique was correct I was able to throw guys....very small spherical movements...kinda like bagua...
sakainotakeshi 1 year ago
its not aikido... its akijujutsu daito-ryu
And you just don't know this...
Seij0u 1 year ago
i know if your learn this your gonna get your ass kick .
413wedge 1 year ago
LOL you guys are ignorant dont you know the master has super laser vision and mind control power hahaha...
gabbomushy 2 years ago 3
Comedy... wooohahaha
bekesi13 2 years ago
the bit with the umbrella at 0:20....fucking comedy!!!
BuddhaNoMind 2 years ago
those are not students, those are the best actors ever!!!
fatmelonn 2 years ago 14
@fatmelonn you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about
simonpetertygesen 9 months ago
@simonpetertygesen 0:05 he let him his hand!
fatmelonn 9 months ago
what a shit
monikadamian 2 years ago
Pathetic
Pippk207 2 years ago
Having Said That There are some Pain and Crippling Injuring Techniques that have been Developed from Martial Arts Currently Been Used by the Organized Crime and Intelligence Community to Intimidate Marks and Cripple Opponents.
Watch Some Alex Jones or Adam Curtis
k9thru12 2 years ago
This
is
Level
four or five
ON MY PLAYSTATION!
k9thru12 2 years ago
Right! LOL!
what experience? :)
nyko1333 2 years ago
Kurtkobain you must be wrong..Aikido's inventer ueshiba sold everything he owned and devoted his life to the founder of this style..sokaku takeda..of which he formed aikido.
Dojocho 2 years ago
No my friend, it is YOU who is wrong.
Ueshiba sold everything he owned and devoted his life to being a roving minstrel. He sang songs on wine, women, and public drunkeness. It was from his bar ballads that people derrived the notion that he was some sort of enlightened teacher. "Surely", the people of Japan thought, "no one would swing their arms so ridiculously and dance with inanimate objects unless they had a revaluation about spirituality and martial arts.
And thus the legend was born.
braveTOMINATOR 2 years ago
No offense to anyone,,but this is bullshit!
traumahawk517 2 years ago
Everyone saying it's misinformation (for whatever purpose) or that it "doesn't work" may not realize that this is just a demonstration. The principles behind these demos are being used flamboyantly here, but the principles, are in effect, real and apply to combat situations. If you understood how difficult it is to master the art of redirecting energy, pulling off this demonstration should appear to be only a demonstration of the potential effectiveness this art truly has.
carveyournamein 2 years ago
this video must be misinformation or a joke
turtleh 2 years ago
I have been training in this system for 4 years and it is hard, but I can toss someone across a room with the flick of a wrist now. It is NOT a fighting system - it is self defense against an attacker.
mdafnis 2 years ago
Wow! Some of the worst Uke-itis I have ever seen.
hkdharmon 2 years ago
This is a joke!
lumhostile 2 years ago
i totally agree!
bethcheng 2 years ago
frostymane , you are right , it is very hard to se if it is real or not , one has to feel it to belive , it is ok for me that people do not belive it , but to be nasty , ect , is as stupid and inmature , but we live in a free world , and people like to say their opinion
Benkeiminamoto 2 years ago
tdotsfinest007 yet another master Great
Benkeiminamoto 2 years ago
um... what is this? I was under the impression that Daito house's Aikijujitsu was one of the most advanced CQC systems in the world. This looks terrible and is not applicable in any situation. I guess the real practitioners don't want people to know and are hiding it and using misinformation techniques, sigh... 8-(
tdotsfinest007 2 years ago
this is not Aikido , a you have to feel it to undersyand it . and to try to explain it in a short text is impossible , there is Aikisage in the first waza a 0.09 , hes balance is taking . 1:13 there is pressure on bones and muscels + presure down on there legs , + the balance is taking/kuzushi also your breath is stop , that makes it even harder on ones body , gladf to hear that there is so many Masters out there
Benkeiminamoto 2 years ago
I'm not saying it's not real, I'm saying it's hard for people to believe if they aren't involved with it and the first thing they see are these techniques. No disrespect to this great school at all.
frostymane 2 years ago
I've practiced aikido and I feel that it is effective if you really know how to use it, but this video of Daito-ryu aikijutsu makes me skeptical. What the hell is this: 0:09, 0:50, and look at the faces on 1:13. If this is Daito-ryu aikijutsu I can see why O-Sensei created aikido.
frostymane 2 years ago
exactly! I train in aikido and its devistatingly real. And so is aikijujutsu, but this is pathetic
KurtCobain198666 2 years ago
mmmm
some things are so fake!!
Arkanus01 2 years ago 8
it is not Aikido
Benkeiminamoto 2 years ago
censorship much?
courseworkadress 2 years ago
Renzoko1 and Itsumomanbu were having a heated discussion and after they where done they removed all the post themselves it was not censored like you are thinking :)
hosie27 2 years ago
I think that demos like these do a great harm to aikido. It's ashame.
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renzoko1 2 years ago
i have been in Daitoryu for 23 years , and have friends , in roppokai , kodokai ,takumakai , Kondo´s Daitoryu
and many aikido styles , also in Taichi bagua , hsing i , wing chun , and we all se great things in each style , and we all know that it works
i have freinds in karate and kung fu to and they also know it works , but they like karate + kung fu better , but they are still my freinds , do what suit you best and satisfy your martial needs
Benkeiminamoto 2 years ago
Takuma Hisa , Horikawa Kodo , Sagawa Yokiyoshi , Takeda Tokimune , Matsuda Toshima /renshinkan , " ueshiba morihei "
Yoshida kotaro , all did their own version and made their own system of how to train teach and do Daitoryu , / people are different , and have different opinion , different body types/seize , hence some diferent in the same style, but i like when people say i can see what they are doing even thoe they have not , try it or not been in Daitoryu for many years , but still they know
Benkeiminamoto 2 years ago
Daitoryu Aikijujutsu has many waza at several level´s. the students do not trow themselvs , and it is not like the KI master
who lost to a karate student , but one have to try it to belive, i you look in Sagawa´s photo´s he do the same thing as Okamoto sensei, Takeda Sogaku , did not teach in Ikkajo to Gokajo manner, it is Takeda tokimune that do it in this order , takumakai have also done it , but do not do it any more, that stricly , mostly groups from Tokimune , do the ikkajo to gokajo
Benkeiminamoto 2 years ago
Dear freinds in kodokai and roppokai
the demo´s is on hegh level aiki , similar to what hakaru mori dos in the 2 latest demo Roppokai + kodokai dos also have the basic jujutsu waza even taht Kodo sensei did not do them in ikkajo order
Kodo horikawa also learn about jujutsu waza from Sagawa sensei about 100 waza from ikkajo to yonkajo , kondo and takumakai do ikkajo to gokajo first then aiki no jutsu , kodokai + roppokai goes rather quick to Aiki no jutsu and higher
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renzoko1 2 years ago
I agree with Renzoko I train in Aiki Jujutsu and I have also studied Aikido. These are very Aikido looking techniques to me and on top of that people are throwing themselves around like idiots. I think this guy is rubbish and the ukies are throwing themselves just like most aikidoka do!!
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renzoko1 2 years ago
what is Daitoryu then and how do you know ? Okamotos sensei was Horikawa Kodo , and his sensei was Takeda Sogaku , " but it is still not Daitoryu ?"
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itsumomanabu 2 years ago
another kiai master...
paziFISTs 2 years ago
another kiai master....
paziFISTs 2 years ago
I experienced the technique of one fo Okamoto sensei's students. These techniques work, although they don't have such an extreme effect every time and on everybody.
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kfresh2themax 2 years ago
Ok first of all, all the trash talking baboons can just leave.
Secondly, the true importance of this art is the development of Ki. I have tried to attack one of these masters and your energy gets sucked right out of you. Go learn BJJ then fumanchudude, this is not the UFC. This is techniques you'll use in life or death situations. BJJ is good for competition, but I would rather just throw the opponent on the concrete and end it there with strikes. Lol, BJJ people think their the shit...
kfresh2themax 2 years ago 5
yup i agree, im doing aiki jujutsu next to my place next is daidojuku
Nikolai444 2 years ago 3
It's hilarious, really.
carveyournamein 2 years ago
Yes well the head of Daito ryu here in Australia came to our Goshin Jujitsu class and tried this kinda stuff on us.. DIDNT WORK ON ONE OF US.. Ki works, but not in this type of way..want proof.. Go watch Ki master vs MMA and see what would happen if u tried this on the street..
SudoJudo1 2 years ago
it is always nice to hear from a expert
Benkeiminamoto 2 years ago
Garbage, its a shame.
FlatFoot13 2 years ago
I used to do aikijutsu. And I now do BJJ. These guys are just taking falls for their sensei because they are expected to. It is pure crap and a disgrace to real martial artists.
fumanchudude 2 years ago
Well, *it is* a demonstration, which is to demonstrate what the technique can do to a person.
There is somewhat of a scientific method to it, and though not everyone will feel some attacks (some people are resistant to pain, double jointed, etc.) you must understand it is because we are all different anatomically. It's something I cannot explain well enough because I am still early in learning jujutsu (aiki is just one aspect of my school), but you must know how energy flows through the body.
carveyournamein 2 years ago
before you comment on if this stuff works, go watch the video on here called "intro to Daitoryu Secrets". Find out who Okamoto is throwing at 5:00. Then tell me if it is BS or not.
Have a nice day.
docflagen 2 years ago
I sooo would kick him during one of these "demonstrations"....
Cignobianco 2 years ago
thats just rubbish in my opinion
oyamarovic 2 years ago 2
is it me you are talking about ?
i do not think that i am rude or have bad
language
Benkeiminamoto 2 years ago
these aiki waza may look funny and fake
one has to experience them to realy belive in them and with years of training
understand them, i think all new commers to Roppokai first think it is fake or strange or the uke was a bit to willing to jump ect . later one learn to use them (the waza ) in more realistic fight , even thou most people train for fun , and to get good health , + learn to defend one selv without to much damage to the opponent, if possible .
Benkeiminamoto 2 years ago
people who just talk down to it , like i can se , or i know, ect
its telling more about them and there lack
of knowledge , i admit it is very difficult to se what is going on , especially if one is not training in these arts.
Benkeiminamoto 2 years ago
I don't know friend ive trained in the arts for over 15 years and I have a deep respect for akijitsue but that looked pretty stupid to me.
weakfrontkick 2 years ago
Totally agree, I have been in Martial arts for 20 years and Akido was my first martial art. That was just rediculious looking to me.
MooneShadow 2 years ago
Damn! That was so idiot... pure bullshit.
And I'm an Orbelus fan ueaheuahe uaheuahushauhsuush suhsu
I watched just to see if it was really interesting, but... I was wrong.
mastergaiato 2 years ago
Garbage
legcoca 2 years ago
Nonsense, Japanese style did you say? Then Hino Akira 1/2 and Hino Akira 2/2 plays that game. For more entertainment on Japanese nonsense see his other vids.
Penganuchi 2 years ago
wow I'm amazed with all the know it alls here. "Most" of you are why America is becoming more and more dumb. If you never felt it keep your fat mouth shut. Fucking know it alls. Everybody is so quick to say I know or fake without experiencing it. Okamoto is real. He is teaching principles you fucktards. The techniques might not all be applicable for fighting in today's society but the principles are.
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hosie27 2 years ago
Mhh! Do you think he teaches courtesy and self-control too? I fear you do Okamoto's reputation little good by abasing yourself to such crude language while trying to defend his art.
fitzkamimbu 2 years ago
I don't care about Okamoto's reputation. I just know what he does is real. I am not defending it. All I know is that it works. Go back in the hole from which you crawled out of please.
itsumomanabu 2 years ago
And there I was thinking Japanese martial arts were relatively free of this nonsense...
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Penganuchi 2 years ago
That was fake. For example, the last thing he did to the group of students when he laid on them and they were all struggling, when he got off....one of them still kept the face of struggling on....Actually all of them
Shen1389 2 years ago
some of this looks fake, but a lot of it, is the uke are taught to commit fully to their attack, and keep trying. you can see it when someone grabs him, if the guy would just try and let go, he could move. but since he keeps trying, no matter how bad a position he is in, to keep trying the same hold, he stays stuck. in real life, it lasts about 1/4 of a second, but that is enough. for a demo, they are trying to make it obvious. good aiki is good stuff, daito ryu or otherwise...
richardshapiroII 2 years ago 2
Coloque-o em um ringue de mma...
Put him in a mma fight...
ThristanBR 2 years ago
Un buen arte se transforma en algo burdo cuando se caen en este tipo de demostraciones fantasiosa , paro lo que llevamos años en la practica del arte marcial esto es una burla.
molojui 2 years ago
Ha-ha-ha. It's a little bit humor?!
aleco58 2 years ago
Now I'm a medical student and I know human anatomy and how the body works, but I can't for the life of me figure out why these techniques work. Just watching them, you'd think they were fake, but having been on the receiving end, I know they are anything but. And to those who teach and sign the praises of Aikido and yet bash Daito Ryu as fake, how is that even possible as Aikido comes from Daito Ryu. These techniques are not in Aikido because O-Sensei never learned them.
ronin9790 2 years ago
Hey Ronin ,No shit about yr comments?
jertzybolofsky 2 years ago
I'm a 4th dan in kempo and my master is an 8th dan in kempo and a 5th dan in aikido. We both just took a day long Daito Ryu seminar at the Saratoga Martial Arts Festival this past weekend and we can both attest that these techniques are extremely effective. I've never been dropped to the floor so fast in my life. The muscle locking that is right at the beginning of this video is also real as it was done on me and I couldn't move. I didn't know it was coming either as I was not forewarned.
ronin9790 2 years ago
What a joke. This is the crap that gives real martial arts a bad name. I would love to see that guy take a punch to the face... a real punch.
Lostmodalities 2 years ago
イカサマｗｗｗ
ijokkoji 2 years ago
hahaha " At first Mr. Okamoto thought that the fights were fake, he couldn't believe that the small master Horikawa was really throwing 4 to 5 students instantly down, although they attacked all at once. However, when he was facing the master, the moment he made contact with the master's finger he was thrown down to the floor. Admiring the master's great technique, he continued to train and follow the path of Aiki."
rokubota 2 years ago
Please advise me when this guy come in Italy!!! I'd like to test him personally!!! Is very sad Aikijutsu becomen such nonsense thing.....
KihonDo 2 years ago
you must not judge an art because of just some demonstrations, some senseis are totall atleast seems total fakes and some are violent, some others are careless and have no form.
We cannot really deside our opinion uppon some bad examples , this is why aikido and such arts are difficult to be inspired by since its very difficult to see results since there are no clear boundries like in karate, boxing and alike where you can see KO or a hit.
Aur0rah 2 years ago
I teach Aikido and Kenpo, and you make sure I know very well what is fake or true. I don'want to give any opinion on that, but I'm ready to demonstrate these tecniques are totally fake and also the reason for which they are fake and the reason for which the uke goes down. Demonstration ... not opinion!
KihonDo 2 years ago 2
are you saying that the tecniques shown in the video fake? not an affront but a question
drd123sep 2 years ago
They are absolutelly fake. I'm ready to demonstrate they do not work with a honest attaker. They work just with this "master" students, and this is for a very simple reason. The same reason for which hipnotization works with some people but not with some other. Because it is absolutelly necessary that you want to do that. These uke want fall down and they want to believe this tecniques work. But a real tecnique must works in every cndition first of all if you your attaker doesn't want.
KihonDo 2 years ago 4
OK I can understand your doubts with this,
So do what I did last year and get on a plain go to Tokyo and have a go, then you can come back and talk on here with authority.
Thank You
hosie27 2 years ago
My authority comes from twenty years of experience in martial arts and fist of all Aikido. I've known a number of japanese Aikido Masters, KiAikido Masters and so on, and you can believe me when I state these techniques are fake, I'm ready to demonstrate whwnever you want, but unfortunatelly I haven't enough money to go to Japan (I'm from Italy) By
KihonDo 2 years ago 2
I have also come across several top Japanese Aikido masters at the Aikikai and others elsewhere
They are nowhere near the capabilities of high level Daito Ryu teachers,Only a few pre war students of ueshiba sensei came even close to this level,
They have vastly superior knowledge in body mechanics that produce these incredibly powerful techniques which are unknown to 99.9% of people out there.
Its obvious in your 20 years you have not.
They are far from fake
hosie27 2 years ago
May be you are right, but I don't like too much giveing opinions ... I prefer demonstrations so please give me names of some Daito High Level Master and I will reach them to demonstrate that in no cases they can do one of the technique in these videos with me. No words ... demonstrations.
KihonDo 2 years ago 2
pero por favor! basta de payasadas, que gran verso nos quieren vender, hay cosas mas reales como el chai-do-kwan, pruebenlo
natalialoze 3 years ago
stop bullshits
MRG077 3 years ago
Oh, sorry... one other thing. If you do the techniques on outsiders without care or concern for their well-being, they may get injured.
:)
docflagen 3 years ago
very true at the tokyo roppokai they are very kind and gentle people I admit in pushing them to experience what it really feels like, i was close to getting injured and I have good ukemi skills fortunately.
Thank you Howard for the update about Okamoto sensei it makes happy to know he is doing well :)
hosie27 2 years ago
Hi,
Please forgive me. I have said this before. If anyone is interested in Roppokai, please let me know. Some may like it, some don't, but it works. You are welcome to visit anytime. My pleasure. And yes, Toshi-san is a really nice guy !
About Okamoto Sensei, he is doing just fine. Thanks for your concern.
Howard Popkin
NY Roppokai
docflagen 3 years ago
I have this video too, but no matter how many times I watch it, I still find it unbelivable. Everything looks staged and pre-arranged. Why do we never see videos of aiki-jujitsu being used on outsiders, but always demo by own students?
crane76 3 years ago
Okamoto teaches aiki..horikowa was one of few of Sokaku's students who he showed thiese techn too. ueshiba used them but never showed how to do them. Okamoto travels worldwide and go to see him he will do this to u..make sure u can ukemi well though.
Dojocho 3 years ago
I believe aikijutsu is a good martial art, and i believe in using body dynamics and momentum to your advantage, but what was that thing at 0:09? Which branch of daito ryu is this, is this sensei affiliated with Katsuyuki Kondo?
8dahar1 3 years ago
daito ryu akijiujitsu is the most effective, all-round fighting system i've ever seen, and i practice it myself,
but some of this stuff really looks like a parody.
I dont doubt the concept of aiki at all, but this is just playing warlock or something.
beyond showing off.
jimmymoltesanti 3 years ago
Well with Osu you know something....it is a demo all teachers when doing demos do not want the technique to look like crap...every teach I have seen in my 20 years does this for a demo...since he is one of the top peeps in daito I would hope he knows something
Also I have noticed at the very top level the look and concept changes to normal aiki jujitsu
lordcylrin 3 years ago
Osu! Its obvious he knows something, but its one thing when you go with the technique and another when you act for the technique. Its clear that his actors oh sorry I mean students are acting for and not flowing with his techniques.
21trebor 3 years ago
Yes this is real jutsu ....I know most have never seen it....yes this is real... he is showing examples of the higher level concepts of aiki jujitsu
If you do not have a clue who this is do your homework before commenting
lordcylrin 3 years ago
Fishstoneqqq the comment you left on here is very unkind,
I hope people like yourself research Okamoto sensei or anyone's pedigree and art history before making comments like that again.
I've been studying this art from videos and there is a lot more to this than meets the eye
So in 2 days I fly to Japan and at one point will be able to uke for Okamoto sensei THEN I WILL KNOW IF HE IS THE REAL DEAL OR NOT,I'm an honest man and when on return shall comment on here from experience not imagination
hosie27 3 years ago
I applaud you for testing before you make your conclusion. I'll be surprised if you are allowed to test the "master". My comments are strong and for that I appologize. But I assure you that I was duped a long time ago into believing this stuff is real. IT IS NOT!!!!!!
fishstoneqqq 3 years ago
Sadly I have to say Okamoto sensei has had a stroke he is back in the dojo but is still recovering,
His students did not let me down they are amazing, very gently but very powerful in the end I was thrown by them as if they were giants but I was more than twice there size.
please if anyone has doubts please do not leave unkind comments but do as I have and try it yourself you wont be disappointed.
They have knowledge and skills that can make old useless techniques into frighting ones!
hosie27 3 years ago
Hey hosie,
I've trained there as well this year! Was indeed quite a shock when sensei had a stroke, but I hear he's recovering well.
You've probably been thrown by my friend Toshi the hardest, he rocks! One of the most talented people there (after sensei of course :P).
rmbeany 3 years ago
hi rmbeany
Proberily was Toshi who had thrown me as soon as I made contact with him it felt like I had been hit by a car! truly stunning power. It took me a few days to recover!
People really don't realize that this art is that good! and just tar it with the ( IT'S FAKE/CRAP ) brush because they simply don't understand what makes it work.
Sensei is recovering well but is not there yet, but I'm surehe will will be back to top form for my return trip next year!
hope you make it back there too.
hosie27 3 years ago
This is so bad it's laughable. Anybody who thinks this is real needs a lobotomy! What a bunch of Crap!
fishstoneqqq 3 years ago
Ray Charles can see that this is a bad example of traditional techniques and hes been dead! For four years now.
21trebor 3 years ago
Is Toru Ohira narrating this video?
6arcsn1sky 3 years ago
awesome
Oferist37 3 years ago