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  • Well, it's about freakin' time!

    It has always been the desire of Christ, that the church prepare the saints (you and me) to do the work of the gospel. Teaching, training, encouraging, equipping us while God perfects us unto his own glory and honor. I'm so overwhelmed by this video.

  • It's funny how the "church" today looks very little like the Church that we read about in the book of Acts and the rest of the N.T. It's great to hear messages like this and see books like "Radical" by David Platt and "Steeple Envy" by Vic Cuccia, challenging the church in a much needed way.

  • I think also one real problem in the church is when Christians discourage other Christians from fellowshiping with Christians from outside of their 'group'. Usually these groups will be run by one very strong willed man who seems to think his club is the only real church of Christ.

  • @davidkeithbecket wow..profoundly said, just came out of oneof those...

  • Great idea and biblical, but I just hope 'Simple Church' doesn't become an institutionalized denomination in itself and become the very thing it set out to avoid.

  • I love how they go on about how it's not the building or physical structure that matter's. Yet they also stress it's all about meeting in a "house" that's the biblical way. ?????? The Chirch also met in Solomons Portico which that time was a large structure and meeting area. LISTEN: There's nothing wrong with where we meet! It's why we meet! And what we do with it when we're not meeting (ie in the world)

  • Bravo!

    The KEY WORD in this Video is "GOD", not Gee-Zues!

    Bring "God" back into the Church!

    Everybody fell in love with the Messenger and Never Opened the Messege!

    Thats like falling in love with the UPS guy for the Wonderful Gift He has Brought to you from YahWeh God the Creator, Sustainer & Giver of ALL Life!

    If you have a Need or if your Church is Shrinking, or ...Dying.. Seek The Creator not the Messenger! When Seeking the Light, go Directly to Its Source, not to any of its Reflections.

  • @bellhog246 ....Matthew 27:46....Exodus 20:2-3.... I can Quote all day!

  • @bellhog246 ..Thats Mature. Are you 7? No doubt, falsley Quoting the poison KJV and his Deliberate Mistranslation & Mistransliterated!

    If YahShua (No such person as Gee-Zues) was God, why was He "talking to someone else" when He was praying.

    Luke 23:34.. Mark 12:29 ... Mark 15:34 ..1 Corinthians 8:6 ... John 20:17... John 8:28 ..John 14:28 ..Luke 23:46 .. Mark 10:18 ..Luke 18:19 ... Matthew 26:39 To find the CREATOR, you need to get away from church/religion! If you choose Religion READ IT!

  • @ChemTrailSkys lol, nice analogy

    !!

  • Thanks for posting.

  • @scatsprings---The House/Organic/Simple church does not disregard these gifts of Teaching Shepherding and Overseeing, but rather it lets them be fully used and expressed as functioning members of the Body. You also said, "an overseer", but unless talking about the qualifications of an overseer, the term in the New Testament is always used plural. (Acts 20:28) (Phil. 1:1)

  • thanks for posting and confirming what the Lord has spoken to my husband and I to do.

  • Nice vision...how glorious are You...precious Lord Jesus<3<3<3

  • The last line in this video voiced why I left a congregation 2 years ago. I felt that my entire existance was to help the pastor and his wife accomplish THEIR vision. I realized I was not living what God had called ME to do.

  • We do both. That is to say - we meet sunday morning and regularly at each others homes. Both are important. When people quote the bible about the original church and getting back to roots somehow they come to a one sided view that it should be small and face to face. Let's not forget about Jesus feeding the 5000, 4000 or moving out on the water in a boat because of the crowds. So let's not say there is one way which is better which is pride but offer up to God in humility what we have, for He w

  • The body is the church, but let's not disregard, disrespect, displace the offices of the church ordained by God. Some are Apostle, Preachers, Teachers, Evangelist, and dare I say it an Overseer.

  • Awesome video. 

  • Place or size of church gathering is irrelevant. Paramount, above all the pompous opines performed on these video’s, is to question , what HERMENEUTIC is being used to study the Bible? Scripture was interpreted in the N.T. in a normal, grammatical way using CONTEXT and exegesis.

    Covenant Theology uses allegorical Scripture twisting eisegesis. A new ‘reformation’ would freeze dry, and repackage the church back into the middle ages, back under Rome’s papist, control.

  • It is so good to challenge us all to be the church instead of focusing on going to church. BUT we need to becareful we do not attack and put down the old church systems. We are still ALL the Body of Christ. We all have wrong theology in areas we are blind to. Instead of throwing stones at the systems of old we need to strategise and apply Godly wisdom built on the example of the longsuffering love of Christ on how to bring people into revelation of the freedom & life found in church of Acts etc

  • @Watchthis7777777 I agrree. I have a blog with teaching on that very thing. It advocates moving back to the biblical model of house churching without being bitter towards the "institutional church". I don't play around , I lay it on the line pretty directly but admonish readers to remember that we are brothers and sisters and need to love each other and appreciate those who have taught us the word of God.

  • here is the church here is the steeple open the doors see all the people!!! jk

  • @LeastOfAllSaints123 Fantastic verse. I tried to find it in the bible. Can you please give me its scripture reference so I can study the greek..Thank you

  • @Watchthis7777777 LoL I was just Joking around! This is from a Non Canonical Gnostic text from a manuscript that was translated into heaven before it was ever made: here is the Greek... google/i.g.c.o.m translator!

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  • Just wanted to try something and see how it works out, so here it goes... on Monday, October 4th 2010 compliment 5 people you don't know and forward this message to friends. Let's see how far this spreads.

  • Very agreed! It's going to feel uncomfortable at first because we've been so indoctrinated into what church "should" look like. God once us to come to Him and "BE" the church. Meeting together to follow Him and love one another. Moving in the Holy Spirit and going out into the community to share Him with others. He wants us to be free of the bondage that has been put upon us and that we put on ourselves. It's the NEW that God has for us. New wine skin. The old won't do. Pray About It!

  • the church will grow so much faster when we start going to the people & planting churches in their homes, rather than bringing them into our "club"... in our club we only add, but when we go to their home to plant a church, we reach their entire sphere of influence!!! and we train them to lead their home church, and we become a mother & father to them as we empower them to live for Jesus, hear Jesus, obey Jesus. & do the works of Jesus!!!! that's how we activate every believer & make disciples.

  • the church will grow so much faster when we start going to the people & planting churches in their homes, rather than bringing them into our "club"... in our club we only add, but when we go to their home to plant a church, we reach their entire sphere of influence!!! and we train them to lead their home church, and we become a mother & father to them as we empower them to live for Jesus, hear Jesus, obey Jesus. & do the works of Jesus!!!! that's how we activate every believer & make disciples!

  • I keep hearing this is a big movement, but In San Diego it's just now starting and very small. I went to an organic church, and it didn't seem right, they were all into this book "the shack". I'll keep looking, maybe I'll find a group that believes in solid Biblical doctrine as well as simple church.

  • @harmono - Maybe it might be your calling to start a gathering in your home. Pray about it.

  • Great Video.

  • Relationships should still be intact regardless of leaving a building. It's a shallow type of relationship that ends just because people decide to move on. What's important is that people are seeking God and not going with the flow of tradition.

  • Good video,

    A bit more scripture grounding it. We have met in homes for many years and it is based upon scripture and apostolic patterns. It is really Gods way for all the churches.

  • Great job!! Keep up the good work!

  • The gospel of Jesus is not a commodity to be bought or sold, neither should any clergy eat meat by it; nor should any clergy be in control of you.

  • One thing we must be aware.This is the work of God. However the american style poison is already being started to drop. I noticed the enemy has already picked up on it and start to do the good old trick.We have increasing number of books and materials on this subject, MINISTRIES (again) with all kinds of demonic doctrines mixed in, like feminism, Jesus will save ALL man, and the list goes on. Be carefull to keep this path clean and pure otherwise we end up like what we try to restore. Seriously.

  • The one thing that bothers me is I hear a lot about "leaving" which means relationships are abandoned. Doesn't seem unifying but splintering. Just another attempt at "doing things the way I think they should be done." I recommend "Life Together" by Deitrich Bonhoeffer

  • I think the point is to develop stronger individual relationships so that we can come together on better ground. I left "the church" when I was 16 because of how poorly people acted, but that was no reason to abandon God! It's better to offer people quiet relationships with God than defective and negative relationships with the wrong people.

  • We don't "do" church we "are" the church. The phrase "doing church" is rediculous.

  • right!

  • this is what the bleep on christian steroids.....come on.....christians cant keep up with others.....they have to adopt

  • Very well done. Re abuse of doctrine and praxis, we need to acknowledge that it is going to happen. We still sin and err. But it happens in larger churches as well.

    Jesus promised to guide His church. That doesn't mean that there won't be errors or pain, but the Lord knows those who are His and will guide them through.

    IAC, we may not have much choice in the matter soon. We are fast losing favor among the dominant culture, and one day may need to emulate churches such as the one in China.

  • Please judge the spirit of my comment. 1. There are only 3 titles in the Body, brother, sister and LORD. 2. God gives the growth not us dragging fleshy people out of the institutions and increasing our numbers. 3. We don't want to make a "name for ourselves under heaven" so we don't name it, build it or control it. The 1st century fellowship acted unanomously, that way you knew God was in control. It also kept someone's "vision" from taking over the Lord's vision!

  • The concept of house church is to go beyond of our local community. We are the church is dosent matter if would be an a building or a house you can transform your community wherever you at, finding the opportunity to share God. Check out this video... its time to do something/ be part of the kingdom..!

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  • The reason for having church in our homes, long ago, was for fear of being killed. Having a church to meet in is a blessing from God!

    Those who want a closer walk with God out side of a "big" church should go to a bible study. Thats why we have them...

    Hiding in our homes when we have no reason for it, is not Gods glory, it's saying I give up on teachers of the word and also saying I'm better then you.

    The devotion you have with our Lord, is up to you, but this to me is not the way.

  • 1st century Christians did not meet in homes out of fear, but out of practicality. Today's Western culture has influenced today's christian to such an extreme, it is considered heresy to worship outside the church now. When in fact, you can worship where ever two are gathered in Christ's name.

    Worshiping outside of the "church" is the next Reformation. If you do choose a Simple Church, then choose wisely, as each one is different. Otherwise, worship God in your home!

  • If you want a closer walk with God, then you should deny yourself, take up your cross and follow Jesus Christ. Walk in the Spirit and you shall not fufill the lust of the flesh.

    God's kingdom requires participation, and that's not just singing the hymn sandwhich on a sunday morning.

    Surrender to the King of Kings. Lay down all for Him. :)

  • Doesn't pick up your cross meen to be willing to suffer?

  • I would really recommend reading Pagan Christianity by Barna and Viola. They do a very nice job of explaining how traditional church actually stifles growth and makes "church" into something it was never designed to be. :o)

  • Hey frankandcathy...I've read that book, Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola...awesome!! Another book I recommend by him is From Eternity to Here

  • @frankandcathy

    there's a lot that is actually wrong with "Pagan Christianity" and it doesn't help that Barna is so disillusioned with Christians and the church that everything he writes or researches is based off of his bias

    i know we don't know each other, so i don't want to come off the wrong way. i would recommend that if you read Pagan Christianity, you read "Why We Love the Church: In Praise of Institutions and Organized Religion" by Kevin DeYoung and Ted Kluck... check out chs. 5 & 7 :)

  • @yurnotkidding Well, you're right. We don't know each other. And while your assertion that there is "a lot" wrong with the Viola book, I will say that there is also "a lot right with it." I think I'll decline to read the other book. I don't need a book to tell me that the church is WAY off course for the most part, anyway. The Viola book only confirmed what I can see with my own eyes.

  • @frankandcathy ok that's fair. :) just wanted to put that book out there because kevin deyoung debunks a lot of the things in his book that barna brings up in his book. i've read enough of pagan christianity and barna's other stuff to get a feel for where he's coming from... so, just wanted to recommend another book that will balance it out so one can hear both sides.

    in any case, let's continue to pray for the church. Lord knows, she (that includes us) needs it. :D

  • Be VERY VERY careful of any Home Church. I attended one of these "Simple Churches" and very different than what they advertise here. Granted, I cannot speak for all these churches, but the one I attended did have a leader (elder/deacon). He ruled over his group with a heavy hand. He expected compliance and there was no other opinion than his own.

    If you desire a good church, then start one in your OWN home. Study the Bible and teach yourself and your family.

  • well thats not the mistake of the house church movement! its the character of that leader..

  • Good interviews. Makes me think. Thanks!

  • sounds kind of like the model for the NT Church as according to the Bible!

    i met in a living room church for many years when i began observing the weekly Sabbath.

    word of caution, in some cities, "churches" have to meet a certain criteria of government code for "places of assembly", etc. i view that as very anti-Constitutional and none of government's business, but none the less, it's noteworthy.

    the scripture "wise as serpents, harmless as doves" comes to mind! 8-)

    Godbless...

  • We have a right of assembly.

  • we are certainly supposed to, anyway! 8-) but there are a lot of rights which the governments (Fed & State) often choose to ignore.

  • OMFG!

  • We are so on-board in OZ, We have seen 3 homes start in the past year, very exciting really encourage any christian to look into this movement more!

  • Thank you for posting this!

    Oh my Lord, how I want to be a part of this! These guys are describing the vision that's been planted deep inside me for years, and I think thousands will recognize the same longing when they see this simple Jesus-life being lived out.

  • This video is not a joke.

  • I think house churches are great,but I don't think its about the system or methods but I think theres gotta be an apostolic leadership. I go to a regular church and I can totally see the God moving in it and true fellowship at the same time.I really think its the leaders that are important,if it was so much on the structure or system,then Jesus would have not raised the 12 disciple.The church in the Bible was not established by methods but 12 men whose life was changed who established the church

  • For me, i could say that the video is great and the book as well. These truths are wakeup call to all ministers to get out from their comfort zone and begin to go back to the basics where God called the church to do; to be simple and not to be confused to honor God and advance His kingdom. people in the church should see clarity, felt movement/direction, getting aligned and stay focused.

  • Thank you so much for posting this!!!

    in Jesus' name -Acts 2:38-42

  • These things you mention are the results of mans behavior. No one is good. The sacrifice of Christ has reconciled us to him. We strive to be like him. Judgement awaits those who has destroyed life and limb I assure you.

  • I would be more than willing to answer all of these thoughts, but you tube only gives me 500 characters to type, so if you are really want me to answer your questions you can contact me in another way. Most of your thought are unfounded and from the effects of some sort of misunderstanding or bitterness towards your church experience.

  • I think you missed my point(s):

    a)ALL churches are fraught with "heresy", your own church is NOT an exception -- the heresy argument does not wash as a criticism of house church

    b)the fact that a group or individual holds views I consider erroneous ought not to exclude them from fellowship. The "heresies" I listed are, IMHO, seriously false teachings; nevertheless I respect and love and continue to fellowship with my brethren (both clergy and lay people) in the institutional church.

  • People can be ministered and taught in different ways. Some people are visual learners and some people learn by hearing. Some people will do well in small group settings and some in the main service, but just because not everyone flourishes in the mega church setting do we throw it away. Mega churches do have a network of "house" churches; they are called small groups. In these groups, people learn to love each other, Jesus, and his truth.

  • no, mega churches have cells...

    different philosophy/theology to true housechurch.

    Believe me! I've been in both - I know the very real difference.

  • First of all, I am not involved in a mega church. I would be in what you would consider a smaller church, but we have small groups. I know the philosophies of the housechurch- I have a whole powerpoint outline of it on my computer, so don't act like I am naive'. I know what it is all about.

  • They share food, love, tears, and each other's lives. It is dangerous to completely walk away from pastors who have been to seminary and go completely to lay people. Let's not pretend that The disciples were lay people. They were directly taught about the truths of Scripture by the greatest "professor" ever- Jesus. They were free from heresy (false teaches) because they were instructed properly.

  • all the main heresies of the last 2000 years have come through so called 'proper' churches etc.

    Hate to burst your bubble.

    The original disciples were thought of as rebels etc by the Establishment.

    So were those who came out of the first Reformation.

    and so it continues...pioneers and settlers...

  • "All the main heresies have come through proper church." Interesting, so you are you telling me that no heresies have ever come from the house church ever? That the small groups around Jersulam led by lay people that had heresies were proper church? Or maybe "reformed" Christian thinking of Jehovah's Witness, Mormon, Christian Science are not heresy, because they are pioneers? Pioneers and settlers do not always bring about positive change.

  • I certainly that pioneers make mistakes, but seminary-taught leadership is indisputably NOT a guarantee against heresy. (BTW the very word "heresy" in modern usage means little more than "a doctrine or philosophy I disagree with") I would assert that the very notion that an ordinary believer simply hearing from God may be overruled by a seminary-taught clergy is itself heretical.

  • I do acknowledge the value of home-based cell groups used by many churches, but I believe they have begun calling them "house churches" simply to capitalize on and dilute the impact of genuine antonymous home fellowships, while still maintaining authoritarian control (in direct violation of Christ's command in Matt.20:25-27 "the rulers of the Gentiles exercise authority over them... NOT SO with you!")

  • The house church movement is not a panacea for the churches problems, but I think it's a step in the right direction towards Christ's people living and moving as members of his body rather than as pawns in a man-made system pretending to be his body.

  • I am not saying that just because you are seminary taught that heresy cannot creep in, but if you are not grounded in Biblical knowledge and surrounded by Godly, wise counsel you are less likely to go down that road. It would be easiest for Satan to sway a new, uneducated Christian by pretending that he is "God's voice" then someone who is grounded in Scripture.

  • I agree. But Godly, wise counsel does not not necessarily come from formal education (and has very little correlation with denominational credentialing), but rather from "fathering" relationships with mature believers who guide and nurture but do not control, and who are willing to admit their limitations and even learn from brothers and sisters much younger in the faith.

  • What check points do house churches have to keep them accountable for what they teach? If they don't have any do you agree this is a major problem? Are mature believers assigned to each group and are their other mature believers there with them to keep them accountable?

  • Okay, let's look at it this way. Take a hundred new converts with no prior knowledge of the Bible, give them each a Bible and just set them free to learn under the direct tutelage of the Holy Spirit. Obviously you'll end up with differing interpretations and a few wacky perversions, but they could hardly do worse than the traditional church has done - they'll probably do MUCH better.

  • Add to the mix a few seasoned teachers interacting organically with these people (can we trust the Holy Spirit to guide them without superficial hierarchical assignments?), and you'll end up with something, I think, much closer to the church Christ intended.

  • Heresies rampant in the modern church:

    * "going to church" on Sunday fulfills Heb.10:25

    * a "pastor", by virtue of position in the franchise, has the right to exert authority in the lives of "his" congregants

    * there's a biblical basis for making a sermon the centerpiece of Sunday gatherings

    * clergy/laity distinctions

    * sacraments administered by clergy

    * the concept of church "membership"

    * tithing

    * church as a "spectator" activity (see I Cor.14:26)

    (just to mention a few)

  • I am sorry you had negative experiences in the past, and I will you will continue communicating with me in a fashion which I have the techonological ability to give you my full thoughts on this topic.

  • LOL-What a joke!

  • What a joke was not aimed at the video.

  • Who is a "lay" person? Are not all who are the Lord's Kings and Priests and do they not ALL have the Spirit of God to teach them all things? (1st John)

    Why do you substitute the reality of the work of God in men with some school you call a seminary? How many of these "seminaries" did Jesus or any of the disciples establish? It really boils down to trusting God to build His church or trusting the devices of man.

  • A network of house churches can easily go down the wrong road without the proper supervision. False teaching can spread easily- look at the New Testament. We have the privilege of education in our world today. Christians have the ability to teach one another, but it would be unwise to go without proper counsel (look anywhere in Proverbs). People are ministered to differently, but completely running from church could be a problem in itself.

  • Maybe there is a heart change that needs to be made in the individual that doesn't allow them to worship properly with the body. People learn differently, God works in mysterious ways, but completely turning from the main church and preaching against it creates division that the Bible warns us about. Before you branch off see if you can't find a similar ministry or create one under the church, so that we can work together with wise counsel, versus divided as Christians.

  • This "interview" is far from objective. Propaganda is easiest seen when only one view is presented, particularly when it tries to create a problem that is as broad as they make it appear to be. Move away from "organized" religion? What do they want? Disorganized religion? Try incorporating disorganized anything into your life and see how it works. Just another one of these modern day "movements" trying to draw adherents away from established churches. Nothing original about proseletyzing.

  • Thank you for sharing this video. it is so good to hear what our marvelous Lord Jesus is doing! He said that HE would build his church and that is exactly what he is doing. this new move of god isn't only happening in the USA, it is happening here in the UK and other parts of the world. Jesus is doing it. Maranatha!

  • For the past several years I have been trying to find a church body that truly speaks to my heart. But it has only been in online Christian communities and in some small home groups settings that I have found what I believe to be true church. I am inspired!

  • I have thrown myself headlong into this revolution for life.

    This is not a fad, this is the beautiful church Yeshua created!

    Sean

    Beer Sheva, Israel

  • These people are not "leaving the Church" because if you have surrendered your life to Christ, YOU ARE THE CHURCH! That is the whole point! Stop attending Church and start "Being the Church".

    keithgiles

    MissionHouseChurch

  • amen Keith!! you understand the true meaning of Church.

    We cannot leave IF we are IN Him.

  • This is dangerous...the message appears to advocate to not attend or support a church. This is not what Jesus taught.

  • Dangerous...yes. However, I think that rather than advocating not attending a church it asks us to challange our definition of what church is. Rather than church being a building...perhaps its the people within it. Rather than going to church, maybe we need to be the church.

  • Absolutely.

  • @jonpdale You got it man! This is it ! We have to be the church even though we are not in the church! Blessings.

  • @jonpdale You it man! This is it, we haave to be the church even though we are not in the church! best regards.

  • @jonpdale You it man! This is it, we haave to be the church even though we are not in the church! best regards.

  • I agree that it's dangerous but in a good way. If by "church" you mean the idolatrous institution that we've set up as a sacred cow in place of passionately following Jesus, then Godspeed to our abandonment of it. There's no "maybe" about it: we either are the Church or we aren't. If "church" is simply an event that we attend or an organization that we support, it's an obstacle to our communion with God and His people and I pray that we have the courage to expose and reject it as such.

  • The idea is to be the church, and support the Kingdom - and that I think IS what Jesus taught.

  • @THS66 when did Jesus ever tell us to attend a church... and the early church only met in each others houses, how is what these people talking about against what Jesus taugh?

  • @THS66 The assembly of ourselves does not have to be once a week in a denominational group with a religious label but more like the primitive church was gathering in private homes, at a certain point, if people are sincere in their quest for truth, we gotta learn to trust the Holy Spirit of God at work in them, God is sovereign in raising up His people for individual ministries.

  • @THS66 The Orthodox Church is evangelical, but not Protestant. It is orthodox, but not Jewish. It is catholic, but not Roman. It isn't non-denominational - it is pre-denominational. It has believed, taught, preserved, defended and died for the Faith of the Apostles since the Day of Pentecost 2000 years ago.

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  • @THS66 Meeting with a congregation in a home does not mean you don't attend church. The early Christians met primarily in homes from what we can see in the Bible.

  • @SaudaraLink Right On!

  • @THS66 wrong . it is saying that "church" is supposed to be held in the home. The modern day "church" does not resemble the church of the bible at all. Church buildings didn't even start till about 300 A.D. . They are advocating worshipping God with other christians in their homes which is the biblical model.

  • Thanks for cutting through the fog and expressing the truth about what real church should be. We need to get this truth on mainstream Christian media both radio and TV

  • AMEN!!! It so encourages me when I find like minded people. I loved the video.

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