Controversy over NATO air strike in Afghanistan

[godblessthebest]

GOOD JOB, GERMAN FORCES

[veritbo]

war: attempting to get rid of people who cause the deaths of innocent people (in this case the taliban) by pursuing a course that causes the deaths of innocent people (current war in Afghanistan). brilliant idea.

[shadowofears]

Talibans are better than Nataoo forces..Kiling 90 innocent afghans..These bastard are far worse than dogs with rabies!

[FrancisJoa]

This attack was justified.They stole the trucks and could use the gas for building bombs etc..In a war there are always civilians in and between the frontline.It´s sad but that´is not a video game. If they aren´t allowed to fight, bring them back home.If America had done that, the commanders would have received a medal for that. Each person who supports the taliban is for me also a taliban and they have to know if they will support them they could also be killed.

[veritbo]

@FrancisJoa what did u jsut say? JSUTIFIED? hmm right im sure a bunch of children (oif u actualloy read the report ud se the maj were kids) were gonna do that.

'its sad'. really? have u ever had ur family killed bys tupid warring idiots? then stfu.

uve got to be sthe stupidest person alvie. the taliban threaten civilaisn, mruder their fmailies force people to fight.

[veritbo]

@FrancisJoa also disphit, put ur self in teh position of a civilian.

the isaf btoch jupe e vryting and kilol more inncoent ppl then the talib though; so hwo od u think the inncoent people are going to trsut? theyre trsut the fukin taliban becuase the isaf is murdering inncoent people elft and right. dumbass

[SemperLoFi]

After watching this video, I am ashamed to be an American. The international soldiers from many countries have been tricked and manipulated to believe they are fighting a "war on terror". They are "corporate interest" soldiers. Fighting for multi-national corporations that don't give a damn about them or their countries. I do not understand why the average person can not look more layers deeper to really try to understand what is "really" going on. Think about what are you actually fighting for!

[anishinaabe]

Dear people of Afghanistan, Stay away from the taliban because we would like to blow them up please.

[GrimmjowProduction]

190 Civilians dead... how do anybody consider this attack right?

[eisregen1983]

@GrimmjowProduction

2 questions:

1.) What are "civilians" doing there during fucking night?

2.) Those "civilians" are likely pro taliban faggots (read wikileaks about it) so why didnt they leave as the jets strafed several times?

[GrimmjowProduction]

@eisregen1983

1. maybe bcuz the shit was abadoned at night u fuckin retard? and the Civilians wanted to hurry getting fuel.

2. Bcuz they thought that the Jets was just looking over the area, they thought that would in their right mind would kill nearly 200 civilians?

[eisregen1983]

@GrimmjowProduction

Ah I see, you are one smart guy getting abusive :)

1. It wasnt abandoned, weapons were still laying around. etc etc etc 130Taliban dead, nice one!

2. The low by passed the trucks several times to warn the ppl down there, as it seems noone had the brains to just leave. -> Taliban killed nice once again.

[GrimmjowProduction]

@eisregen1983

1. Taliban left the vechicels because they where stuck.

2. If they where Taliban, wouldn't they then have runned away as soon as the planes showed up? It was civilians who didn't expect the planes to blow them up thats why they stayed.

[veritbo]

@eisregen1983

1. its their palce they can do waht they like.

2. pro tlaiban faggots. first fo all cia supported the talibam, funded it - america told massoud to surrender to the taliban.

and 'these faggots' are peopel forced to coerced to and threated to fight; not only that if they have less chance being killed by the taliban then the foreignsodleirs why the fuck would they trust the foreign sodleirs. are u stupid?

[aeroshark1]

@GrimmjowProduction September 11 2001. 4,000 civilians killed. How does the world not consider that wrong?

[GrimmjowProduction]

@aeroshark1 it was 2970 people who died... Iraq war 1 mio people suggested killed... afghanistan is unknown, usa have created far more 9/11s

[aeroshark1]

@GrimmjowProduction Stop talking out of your ass. How many of those people in the Twin Towers were armed soldiers capable of defending themselves? They attacked thousands of people who were trying to make a fucking living to feed their families. The Al Quida are a bunch of cowards who throw the first stone and then use innocent people in their homes as cover. US, Phillipines, France, and a ton of other countries have been attacked. They deserve to die for what they've done to the world.

[GrimmjowProduction]

@aeroshark1 LMAO France? Phililipines? LMAO XD Fuck your stupid... you know what.. ur not worth breathing... get on private messages and lets discuss this since there is not room enough for me to write back on ur infinite retardness and lack of knowledge about now a days politics and conflicts...

[aeroshark1]

@GrimmjowProduction Ramzi Yoesef, an al Qaeda operative, came to the Philippines in 1994. He and other alQaeda operatives trained Abu Sayyaf fighters. Yoesef established an al Qaeda cell in Manila which planted several bombs throughout the city resulting in the deaths of nearly 300 Philipino civilians. They then took several American, French, and Philipino hostages. The Philipino Marine Corps was called into action and after several days of firefights rescued the majority of the hostages.

[GrimmjowProduction]

@aeroshark1 I bet he was Al-Qaeda fucking idiot, he was a freelance "Terrorist" until his uncle rounded up with Al-Qaeda. It was first after the attacks on world trade center, and the arrest in Phillipines that they went to Afghanistan. Remember fucktard, Osama bin Laden first came to Afghanistan around the time where Jalalabad was taken in 1996.

[aeroshark1]

@GrimmjowProduction Haha, you're such a waste of life. You talk like bin laden started the Al-Queada. So how would you justify the damage they've done to the middle east? Cutting off the noses and ears of women and children and justifying it through their abuse of Islam. You're trying to insult my intelligence but did they or did they not kill nearly 300 civilians? They've been doing this for hundreds of years. Do you approve of these worldwide killings?

[GrimmjowProduction]

@aeroshark1 Yes bin Laden started Al-Qaeda. They haven't been around for hundreds of years you idiot, wtf is wrong with you? and cutting of noses and ears of women are deeds that have been attributed to the Taliban regime of Afghanistan and extremists in Pakistan. and no they didn't I never heard of such an attack, you must be talking about the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) and Abu Sayyaf group. and USA have more world wide killings than anybody else.

[aeroshark1]

@GrimmjowProduction Okay genius. You have no common sense so I have to explain everything to you word by word like you're a small child and can't read between the lines. bin laden was not the first terrorist leader. Different name but same MO as the extremists who have been doing this shit in the name of Alah for centuries. And you're so fucking smart but you don't know about the Philippines? Google Col. Natalio Ecama who lead the PMC against the al-qaeda when they attacked in 94...genius.

[GrimmjowProduction]

@aeroshark1 Asshole, they werent Al-Qaeda until 1996. and Yes fanatiscm and extremism have always excisted, but they wasnt called Al-Qaeda fuckhead. No Osama bin Laden wasn't the first, the first one I never claimed so Idiot, I never said I supported or justified theese actions? when have I stated that, or is it some kinda stereotyping you hold against most muslims hmm? I know about Islamic extremism in Phillipines, but I never heard about a bomb down there, and it doesnt matter if there was...

[aeroshark1]

@GrimmjowProduction I see how you're calling me all these names but do you realize you've just agreed with most of what I've been saying.  The fact that they weren't called al-qaeda was my point. In fact, your entire response is exactly what my point has been from the beginning. You're just so busy trying to argue and insult you didn't even realize we have the same beliefs. As far as being the biggest warmonger ever, do you know how many people the Japanese killed before we even

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[aeroshark1]

@GrimmjowProduction got involved in WW2? The Chinese claim this number is 30 million. The Israel is now an aggressive power who retaliates with violent attacks on civilians. Keep in mind Israel and its people have been slaughtered and enslaved by nations many times throughout history. Do you expect them to be peaceful after thousands of years of persecution? And how can you say what happend in the Phills does not matter, but complain about all the wars you've listed? Hypocrite.

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[aeroshark1]

@GrimmjowProduction What you're doing is saying its okay to kill large numbers of certain kinds of people. What the Japanese did to the Chinese doesn't matter but what the US did to Japan, after Japan attacked the US is wrong?  You complained about the bombings of German cities but did not even mention the holocaust. Supporting Greece is wrong but supporting hundreds of years of Turks raping and murdering the Greeks isn't? Dude, you sound like a terrorist. We all bleed red buddy.

[aeroshark1]

@GrimmjowProduction And again, I ask you if you justify the actions of these extremists? Keep in mind that the US is around 300 years...that's it. Ancient civilizations (China, Romans, Japan, Middle East) have been civil waring and killing each other over territory an religion thousands of years before anybody even knew the Americas existed. So to say that US has killed more than anybody else is simply moronic...like most of what you've said so far.

[GrimmjowProduction]

@aeroshark1 Doesn't mean anything to our discussion, and lets go through US History: Genocide on Indians, more than 2-3 mio killed, enslavement of blacks, civil war, Phillipine Genocide, Hiroshima Nagasaki, massbombings of German cities, Support of Pinochet, Israel, Military dictatorship in Greece, Shah, Contra, Saddam Hussein, 1st Gulfwar, 2nd Gulfwar, Lebanon... and the list goes on, you guys have fingerprints in many genocides and conflicts since WW2. USA is the biggest warmongerer ever.

[veritbo]

@aeroshark1 u fuking moron u cant compare what happened thousands of eyars ago ebtween idiotic, uneducated barbarians. after ww2 tehre WAS NO EXCUSE FOR THIS SHIT.

[veritbo]

@aeroshark1 NO WE DO NOT JSUTYF THE ACITOSN OF EXTREMSITS US TUPID PRONGED TOOL. what we are syaing is that the amerocans are jsut as bad. god ur stipid

[veritbo]

@aeroshark1 oh n the ameircans murderin innocent ppl is beta. how stupid u r, u think coz we disaprove fo war we r wit the enemy ROFL. mayb were pointin out that this war is just as bad for them as the taliban. . ur standin here n sayin how awful the things teh talbian have done but uve forgotten waht isaf has done. ur a stupid tool who thinks murderin 1000'sof innocent ppls the only way on earth to get rid of the taliban.

[veritbo]

@aeroshark1 pffft when the talbian kill u scream out in horror.

when americans kill (and kill more) u jsutify it.,

asshole go lvoe the live of a civilian in afghanistan and then see if u jsutify it,

im an foreing aid worer there and u have no clue so stfu

[aeroshark1]

@GrimmjowProduction Looks like you're the stupid one asshole.

[veritbo]

@aeroshark1 lol whos tlaking out fo ther as america and isaf have killed 30,000 inncoent civilains in afhganistan who were trying to make a fuking living to feed their families.

oh and elts not forget all the us terrorist attacks. u do knwo the CIA is the fuking argest terrorist organisation int he world?

bay of pigs

iran contra

coup d'etat of allende,

funding the taliban

pincohet

trujillo

mrudering mosadegh

the lsit goes ON AND ON

[aeroshark1]

@veritbo I see by your color use of name calling what your intellectual powers are. Its obvious that you are firmly against the US being in Afghanistan, and you think they should be able to do what they want. I met a 14 year old girl who was convicted of adultery even though she wasn't married, and was raped by three men. She was given 50 lashes and then had her nose cut off. Are you going to try to justify this? This kind of shit happens a lot less now that the Taliban aren't in control.

[MillyVanillification]

@aeroshark1 The US is in afghanistan to protect the opium production against the taliban. 99% of worldwide opium supplies are from there. Since the US is in Afghanistan, the production of heroin has started. This heroin goes to russia. Thats why the US army is fighting the taliban. Even Putin has reacted to this. Its the same game as in Kambodia, Vietnam and Laos. The CIA needs money and drugs are the best way to accomplish that. You are living in a lie. Inform yourself.

[TheIronicBanana]

@MillyVanillification Dumb ass, the taliban own those opium feild, thats where they get the money from...

[veritbo]

@aeroshark1 FUCK YOU, YOUR SOLUTION TO INNOCENT PEOPLE DYING (3000 NOT 4000 U TOOL) IS TO KIL 30,000 MORE PEOPLE IN AFGHANISTAN? wtf i wrong wif u u asshole

[aeroshark1]

@veritbo Okay dude, first of all learn how to spell before you go calling people idiots. Second, if you think everybody in Afghanistan is innocent you've obviously never been there. Third, most (and by most I mean over %80) of town and city leaders in that country want continued US support of getting rid of the Al Quida and Taliban. They are fighting right beside us. And if you want to talk civilian deaths you can thank the non prejudicial explosives the Taliban leave scattered everywhere.

[Hajo33]

laach burn taliban burn

[tastaturenpirat]

our troups should leave...and if we find some terror camps from above...just bomb it from above...

[blastarrbollaxIII]

Murdering nato bully boy scumbags.

[RafLovesMary]

i looked this video up only to read all the stupid comments...

expections fullfilled

[blaze5991]

thats why the us kick your ass in ww1 and ww2

[Somesubjekt]

blaze5991:

the us dont kick german ass.

you better say THE WORLD.

because the us cannot win alone.

[199gSauerkraut]

acta non verba.

[haizahaiza]

Die Kriegsverbrecher sitzen in Berlin. Mal wieder.

[ABDALIANZz]

German's Are The Best But Still I Want You Guy's To Go Back And Leave Afghanistan.

[ABDALIANZz]

And I Love You And Respect You Just Because Of That You Are A German My Brother.

[LochInDerHosentasche]

?????

[Nesret09isback]

you want (us) germany in the nato. now shut up and let us do what we have to do.

[huskydriver125]

@Nesret09isback

Your right! thats the german way to crack a problem! imagine what happent when the kidnapt fuel truck explod in bagdad or somewere else!

[schlawa]

Dont fuck with the Iron Cross, or German Soldiers will send you to hell burning. Taliban should note that down, no virgins for you in the North, just a mass grave where Germans bury you with pork between your teeth.

[ABDALIANZz]

Naaa You Can't.

[Somesubjekt]

the only lesson that nazis learn is that america want the planet.

you fuckers start any war with lies.

and yes you start the ww1 and ww2 with lies.

call me nazi, i dont care.i know you bastards only fight germany because you fucker full with fear.

[Jcxerox]

the germans are the best army , they stiil do the best weapons , like heckler and cock!!!, g36 g3 and loads of other weapons thats why in the end of ww2 the americans and the russians went crazy after the german engineers to who get them 1

[veritbo]

@Jcxerox why the fuk wud u pride a country on its armed fofrces and war thats disgusting oh look my country created mass mrudeirng weaposns and has killed sthe most epople yay me

[spyguybuy]

the german troops have a big gunfight with taliban before the air strike "come".

what civilian people go to a big gun fight in the night?

the afghanistan governor say no civilian killed there, because the civilians dont go out at night. they have fear.

taliban around this place.

he say the germans kill 100 taliban and one taliban big boss.

no german sodiers killed.

thats what i call a military masterpiece.

(sorry for bad english)

[spyguybuy]

hmm deutschland über alles? ja, ok.

but you need the help of the world to win over germany. and you never win a war allone (vietnam), john or what ever your american name is.

yeeaa i come from the room around dresden. and i know what you war junkys do with this great town.

first you say we germans must help you, now we kill YOUR enemys and you cry again. america is not a very good "Partner" i must say!

[natedawg3654]

You're ignorant...you clealy know nothing about the current state of Germany or Aghanistan.

Keep spewing uninformed rhetoric though you'll change the world.

[adlermathi]

@Striker4928

Shut ´n fuck up idiot!

[Schinsky]

well that´s a good conclusion for an untermensch, you fucking Untermensch =) HAHAHA

[jimtheripper]

@Striker4928 just watch your video of your two apache heroes shooting people in iraq and making fun out of it and tell me again that we are murdering racist beasts...look at your country before you talk about others. since ww2 we did not start any war again. your wars : korea, vietname iraq1, iraq2, panama, somalia, afghanistan, kuba swinesbay, columbia etc.. by the way vietnam and iraq was a attack of an other country i thought that is a no go?! the us said that only 70 years ago...

[Striker4928]

@jimtheripper i never excused the americans and canadians who are the worst , but germany's also in Afghanistan today. Merkel is a profiteering warmongering bush clone, so don't start pointing fingers at the other illegals occupying Afghanistan before you've completely pulled out of there

[AFGHANVIEW]

LOL what a joke comment

[swanningaround]

Look. Germans should leave Afghanistan. Leave the fighting to the war experts. England and the US. I always thought that Japan and Germany has renounced war.

[spyguybuy]

the germans kill 100 taliban and one tali boss. and we germans lost not one man.

americans and uk's loose soldiers in any gunfight they have.

this is a military masterpiece.

but its today like it ever is.

the most people out there in this world hate germans. so what ever we germans do, you hate it and you hate us.

first you call germans to fight for YOUR wars. and now you cry.

eyperts like the experts who loose the war agains vietnam. and rape women in any war. nice experts!

[swanningaround]

The Germans have nothing to prove. The English still command and Germany still obeys. The English will also take the credit for any German actions. The English always call Germans cowards.

[nonameposter]

shut the fuck up, you disgustiing ass. maybe innocent people died. no reason to be proud about that.

greets from munich

[rw5791]

nobody there but taliban and thieves.I would'nt lose any sleep over it.

[EmmasLive]

two oil transporters just a few steps in front of the german army base ... i think they did it right

[MillyVanillification]

@EmmasLive Maybe you find it okay to bomb 150 people because some criminals have stolen two diesel tankers. And for that I think that a little bit of education would be very helpful for you.

[NeoGuerilla]

Nazi killers! Would you start bomb people if they stole cars in Berlin or London??

[Pedrakahn]

@ NeoGuerilla

Anhand deiner unqualifizierten Aussage zu deisem Thema, kann jeder deutlich erkennen, das du keine Ahnung hast was du da schreibst. Du kennst die Deutschen und ihre mentalität nicht. Wenn bei diesem Angriff Zivilisten umgekommen sind, ist dies über alle Maßen bedauerlich und Traurig. Jedoch muss man sich auch die Frage stellen wieviele Menschen ums Leben gekommen wären, wenn die Taliban mit ihrem Vorhaben durchgekommen wären. Ich möchte es mir nicht mal im Traum Vorstellen.

[450hp202turbo]

the fuckers stole these tankers . and bogged it in the creek .. thay think thay can get away with shit like these wile we fight with our hands behind our backs.. its about time we finnish these cunts off for good ,,

[veritbo]

@450hp202turbo i beg ur pardon but they ddint ask u to come and fight that was your choice

[VictoryCough]

The US Should withdraw from NATO! We need to get the troops out of the 120+ nations and defend our own borders.

[OBAMASTINIAN]

with liberty and justice for all.(people)?

[adeelalam084]

yes liberty from life!

[ihavtugo]

The National Guard defends our own borders. The Marines and the army are meant to be in other countries trying to eliminate threats.

[P47RICK]

Who do you think sent the NATO to all these countries?

[malik911]

So poor people who have suffered for over 30 years becus of the war your country and russia created and my people died like flies over your stupid cold war games is okey for you. Afghans are very poor, these civilians steal bread for living you are talking about oiltanker. Does it make the NAto have a free hand too kill my people because they are poor?

WHat are US army doing over there first of all. Is it to kill afghans or help them? So far havent seen any improvement or any fulfilled promise

[cobra226]

i agree with us, the US, not making much progress on behalf of the afghan people...but that is simply due to a lack of training in cultural and reconstruction topics. our troops are great for winning wars...but none of them know what to do when the war is over...i.e. thumb up our butts!

[veritbo]

@cobra226 lack of training? how about 30,000 epople dead. think first wat an afghan civlian wud feel towards america then speak

[veritbo]

they were tkaing food u asshole., lets mruder evryoen who steals ooh woops thats wat the talibanw ud do.

[vashguud]

Now mind you personally I would probably withdrawl all from Afganistan. Cause we have to engage Pakistan or supplies and enemy re-encforcements will never stop. Even Sun Tsu said a long war is bad for both sides.

[Weston1968]

They criticize the Germans weren't doing enough & when they do they criticize them for doing too much.  These were vehicles hijacked by the Taliban so it was a fare game at the end of the day! If they hadnt been stealing from the trucks they wouldnt have become casualties.

[jimtheripper]

@Weston1968 good comment mate

[veritbo]

@Weston1968 what teh fuck are u talking about? the deahts of icnncont people is 'fair game'.

you say theyre being punished for stealing form the trucks? hmmm i wonder then shud these asshole soldiers and america be punished for invaiding acouontry and mruderind thousands of inncoent epople women, children, babies? wat a fucked up logic u have.

there were little children there u fuked up excuse for a human being.

[veritbo]

@Weston1968 oh so stealing shud be punished by murder? are you sure ur not a taliban ur self?

[SSeth123]

@Weston1968 they are germans and they are guilty case close

[Weston1968]

@SSeth123 Good on the Germans!

[lenny380]

Obama wants to use NATO because he will feel more international - well we will see a lot more of this if continues.

[lenny380]

best to just leave

[lenny380]

bet to leave Afghanistan as much as it will be added to a defeat list we can't afford it and we haven't made any real progress. If you report on civilian casualties every single time a bomb goes off it just another media Anti- Democracy, anti -war hype to stir the pot when there is nothing else to report on.

[veritbo]

@lenny380 oh yes becuase epople care about civilains dying we are sudenly wiht the enemy hw stupid you are, that u deal in absolutes? no we are not adnit democracy were anti the deahts of 30,000 inncoet popel by isaf. tool

[vashguud]

They where not civilians if they where trying to get gasoline from a stolen military truck. If Obama thinks he can fight there like Vietnam or Somalia Clinton style, with NO air support. Then the war will drag on forever. Either use Powell Docterine and use heavy air power OR bring them all home cause you can't win without throwing the hammer down.

[looptroop1985]

right!

[roberto8ag]

Wrong...

[roberto8ag]

"They where not civilians if they where trying to get gasoline from a stolen military truck"

Even if all the victims were supporters of the Taliban the fact that most of them were unarmed and were not engaged in any combat activity does not warrant their mass killing.

[vashguud]

Obama could bring all troops back with a simple executive order. So if you have a problem with war talk to Obama. Now as far as the MILITARY there job is to kill and blow stuff up. Not worry about what water is dropped or a drill or insects in a cell. They shoot guns, drop bombs and fire artillery. If Obama wants police then send or make police. Military is not to be used half arsed they can't win that way in Afganistan. It would linger on for 1000's of years without putting the hammer down hard

[roberto8ag]

"It would linger on for 1000's of years without putting the hammer down hard."

I understand that Bin Laden said he wanted the US to live Saudia Arabia and banckrupt the country.

With or without air support, after 8 years of war. I think Bin Laden has accomplished a lot.

[veritbo]

@vashguud so what if its their job? some pople have josb to traffick children and use them as kiddy porn. your job doenst make what you do right, or jsutifiable

[veritbo]

@roberto8ag no they were civilians.

and seeing as america has raped thier country wy the fuck wud they not steal form usa; and not supprot the tlaiban?" if they turn their bakcs against the taliban, they get killed. if they turn their backs on america they get killed. great life for them.

and if u wnt to mruder epopel for stealign then thats wat the taliban do so how does that make us any better than them?