@mk3238 im glad china owns you fuckers. you work and work and all your tax money goes into paying intrest on your loans to China. you american retards are now the slaves of China. Take a look at everything you own. you will find that 90% of it is made in china and none of it is made in the united states. all your companies open factories overseas. why? they know that american workers are lazy crybabies. why use american labor? they cant get the job done. your own companies know this!
The Viet Cong started all this, and ended all this. Look at Vietnam now, 5 year old girls begging for money, 90 year old men and women still working to find money for their family, in order to afford food. I despise all Viet Cong and communists. I am South Vietnamese and proud of it. If it weren't for the Viet Cong, there would be no Vietnam war, or so called "unification of Vietnam". There would be no one dying, kids crying over the deaths of their fathers, and there would be no boat people.
@oOAsianSensationOo actually, Vietnam is doing very well economically. you must get your information from your imagination. if it were not for the communists vietnam would still be under French control. you really should not be proud of being from south vietnam. you assholes had twice as many soldiers as the north AND you had the full support of the american army and you still couldnt win because you south vietnamese ran away at the first sign of trouble. greedy cowards.
@kakashi76767 I've been to Vietnam. And what, North Vietnam did not have any support from the Chinese? Russians? And TO say again, who started the Vietnam War? Look at the Vietnamese government now, they're sucking up to the Chinese government. Before you call me a prick, or greedy coward, look at the Vietnamese history, get YOUR facts straight. Because of today's government, we have lost 2 islands, Trung Sa and Hoang Sa. There is so many things wrong with the Vietnamese government today.
after several courses on history and my own experiences, i have concluded that America is fucking batshit! their patriotism and pride is underserved as the only thing america cares about is themselves. what they did to vietnam is horrific and even more puzzling is why! WHY did they do it? its because they were communist... they were not evil. not a threat to america. Ho Chi Minh even sent many messages to america saying he only wanted his countrys freedom. so america stopped vietnamese elections
@oOAsianSensationOo he didn't star the war, American "military Advisers" (troops) were moved in and stopped Vietnamese elections as it was clear the people would have voted for communism, which is not what america wanted, remember, Ho Chi Minh and the Vietcong fought WITH Americans during WW2 in the hope that they would support their Independence, but Eisenhower Refused to speak to Ho after the war ended. After Ho declaired he wanted to rule under communism, he was never even allowed to justify.
@b3nni3ghr Was the wealth split among each and every person that was under his rule? Is everyone today living in Vietnam living life to the fullest content? But the question is still unanswered, WHY START A WAR, AND CONTINUE IT? Tet Offensive? Paris Peace Accords? And stop getting your facts from Wikipedia. My whole family was influenced by the war. Boat People. <--- Try thinking about this.
@oOAsianSensationOo my facts are from 2 years of studying the Vietnam War, it doesn't matter how they are now (they are pretty happy, just not great) im saying the war was really unjust, they did not start the war americans did, have you heard of the gulf of Tonkin? the My Lei massacre? the Vietnamese people had been controlled by dozens of nations throughout history (chinese, japanese french and now american) they faught them all because they wanted their own country, they wanted independance
as if westmoreland was speaking about this funeral! after the attocities commited against his men, LITTLE GIRLS LEADING THEM INTO TRAPS of course he would say such and mean it. the vietcongs used guerilla warfare, making them seem spineless and bloodthirsty. i am not against westmoreland for his quote. no one should be.
As a WWII officer, Westmoreland had a reputation as a taskmaster but one who cared about his men and took a great interest in their welfare.
On the other hand, Westmoreland once criticized his North Vietnamese opponent General Vo Nguyen Giap for "waging a big-unit war with terrible losses to his own men. By his own admission, by early 1969, I think, he had lost, what, a half million soldiers?...An American commander losing men like that would hardly have lasted more than a few weeks."
@satanic666sonic Except the facts don't justify that moniker at all. On the other hand, that name WOULD apply to his North Vietnamese nemesis Vo Nguyen Giap, which you would know if you had enough brains to read my whole comment.
@Weasler455 yeah, it is a joke that you think the Vietnam War was somehow noble for America, as if it were anything more than a grisly catastrophe, a series of bloody atrocities blemishing the United States' history of imperialism
@marzilyas I think YOU'RE the freaking joke - a life-long loser still living in the past.
Yes, it WAS a noble cause, but badly mishandled by a bumbling fool of a president who knew all about taking graft in Texas, but somehow couldn't transfer those skills into running a war. If LBJ had let his generals do what they wanted and needed to do, rather than tie their hands behind their backs, the whole thing would have been over in a couple years. Instead, the moron created a huge mess.
@Weasler455 ah yes, we just needed more dead American GIs there, that would have done the trick. It's like WWI, the generals are always right! Give me a fucking break.
@Weasler455 what about nixon? he took over in 68 and the war didnt end until 75. they could not go all out since there was always the threat of china or russia entering the war, which could have led to nuclear war. and for what? to support a corrupt and cruel south vietnamese government? Diem, the first president of south vietnam, won his "election" with 99% of the votes. does that sound like democracy to you? sounds more like saddam hussein. That was the "freedom" we were protecting.
@kakashi76767 Nixon did his best to get out out of a TERRIBLE situation created by Lyndon Johnson. And that wasn't the only one. He also had to deal with the Russians and with many domestic problems created by the "Great Society". As for the South Vietnamese, they were no angels I grant you, but it was a matter of containing communisn, and the choice of the lesser between two evils.
@Weasler455 Ah, but Nixon expanded the war into cambodia early in 1970. Thats what sparked the protests that lead to the Kent State debacle. He and kissinger talked about using tactical nukes, and the use of agent orange increased. saying nixion did his best to get us out of Vietnam is like saying Obama is doing his best getting us out of Afghanistan. Its easy to leave, you just go the hell home. i dont buy the containing communism thing since communism didnt spread after the north won.
@kakashi76767 Let's get this straight once and for all. Nixon did not "expand the war into Cambodia". The communists were attacking American targets from bases in Cambodia. Nixon went in there to stop those attacks. The Leftist media, of course, distorted the whole thing, and THAT'S what led to the "Kent State debacle" as you put it (ho-hum, I could not care less about those vermin). You are naive as sin if you don't think there was a red threat back then. Going into Vietnam contained it.
@Weasler455 I would love to hear your excuse for watergate! all i know is Nixon had 4 years to either get out of there or else go full force and bomb the shit out of Hanoi. Just like LBJ, he did neither. Instead, he went to China and made friends with the "red threat" while Americans were still dying in Nam. But at least LBJ got the civil rights act passed. so that was one good thing he did.
@kakashi76767 My "excuse" for the mythical crime known as Watergate? Well, #1) Nobody drowned there, get it? #2) Nixon didn't do anything more than Johnson or Kennedy ever did, and #3) I have a lot more interest in the strange death of Vince Forster (with his 55 minute trips to Switzerland) and the 74 other strange deaths linked to Slick Willie.
You don't know history. Nixon DID "bomb the shit" out of Hanoi, as well as blockade the harbor. The move with China was good trilateralism.
@Weasler455 Obama has already cut the deficit in half but the republicunts in congress keep spending more and more. they have spent over 80 billion trying to get rid of teaching evolution in schools. They have spent over 490 billion trying to buy up all the newspapers in the united states so that they can print their own news. George Bush has more than 3000 people locked up in FEMA jails to this very day. that costs money. thank god REAL americans voted Obama in and will keep him there.
@kakashi76767 The Civil Rights Act led to Affirmative Action, which is reverse discrimination. And LBJ's Voting Rights Act led to the election of Obama. Both are disasters. IMHO, we need to revisit both. I know that's not likely, but given the intense anger of REAL Americans that will likely lead to enormous conservative victories next year, I'm hoping that other people will raise points similar to my own.
@kakashi76767 Amazing how you set a timetable for Nixon to get out. Know how long we would have been there if Johnson remained in office after '68? Well after 1973 for sure. That's because LBJ would not follow the advice of his generals. See, he knew all about taking graft in Texas, but that doesn't mean he knew how to wage a war. That's Democruds for you. They fuck up every single thing they get their stinking hands on. Look at the incredible mess Pelosi, Reid, and Obama have created today.
@Weasler455 everyone knows that nixon killed millions of americans when he passed the rape act of 1969. thats what started the recession we are in. obama has been doing some great trilateralism himself. Obama took out Bin Laden while bush protected him. Obama has done nothing worse that regan or nixon did. he has created millions of jobs. the problem is with american companies moving factories overseas because they know americans are lazy and cant get the job done.
@Weasler455 Obama quadrupled the defecit? On what planet? You must have hit you head on something hard. Good thing Obama fixed the health care system, you can get that checked out. You're welcome.
@Weasler455 Dont talk to me about how cool drugs are, i know they are not. You just want to change the subject because you know you lost the argument. Obama has saved this country yet again by getting the default bill passed, even though the republicunts tried to block it, thus ensuring the economy would collapse. The republicunts hate America, thats why they allowed 9-11 to happen and didnt catch bin laden. you know who was able to locate bin laden? OBAMA. You're welcome!
jeezus this is why ur country is gone,thats right 2 americans abusing each other over numbers & proven corrupt leaders,what has happened since you guys have been arguing over lies,have u seen what your antichrist of a leader has now bourt on your people,disagree with corporations,banking systems & governments & they will lock u all away wtf,
is going on, even funnier you still think the muslims did 911,jeeezus what a mess u are in,all because of 911, u have all been set up & u ain't free ;/
@SUDZ1111 it was a group of muslim extremists involved with al queida. but i do agree with the people that say that not all muslims were involved with it. it was just those few crazy terrorists that gave all muslims a very bad name.
@Weasler455 how do you know how much shit gay people eat? You must have first hand knowledge! I guess thats what happens when you father makes you fuck his face every christmas. anyway, some REAL facts from a REAL american: Deficit under Regan/Bush (1992) 700 TRILLION Under Clinton (2000): SURPLUS of 45 BILLION. Under Bush (2008) deficit of 90 TRILLION Now under Obama (2011) 45 Trillion. (45 is exactly half of 90) I get my information from real sources, not glenn beck.
@kakashi76767 You get your info from POZ Magazine, which is what FAGS read.
90 TRILLION??? 700 TRILLION???? Those numbers makes no sense! You're totally fucked up.
Must be due to your AIDS drugs.
Impeached drug user and rapist Clinton gets NO credit for deficit reduction - it was all done by the GOP Congress.
No, I have no first hand knowledge of sick fag sex. I'm normal, and I just read a lot. You ought to try it sometime, rather than go to the bathhouse. (Yecchh!!!)
@Weasler455 how do you know what magazines fags read? You do a lot of research on fags bro! i wonder why... The GOP didnt control congress during the clinton years you moron, it wasnt until bush took office that the gop won the house and senate! wow, you are a fucking dummy! also, clinton was not impeached, nixon was! also, 90 trillion = 90,000 billion, and 700 trillion = 700,000 billion. how does that make no sense to you? oh i forgot, you are a total fuckhead! LOL! :P
I'd like the see the full context of Westmoreland's comments - not just the edited piece we see here. It was a clever piece of cinema to juxtapose his statement with that of a grieving family, but I seriously doubt he was referring to such a situation. To not give us the full story is to tell us a half-truth, and as they say, a half-truth is a LIE.
In other words, liberals are fucking scumbag liars, and I don't trust ONE FUCKING WORD of what they have to say. NOT ONE.
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Westmoreland was obviously responding to what he had seen of communist tactics and their huge losses, like in Tet. Seeing them sacrifice tens of thousands over a few weeks and carry on would make him think like that. But obviously it's crap, we're all human and all suffer.
this is a horrible disstortion of images and an interview that was taken out of context.. for one to derive meaning from this they would have to be a moron.... obvious manipulation of media. Gen. Westmoreland was (i believe ) talking about asian leadership in war...
Surely all media must be manipulative to varying degrees. Subjective decisions must be made in the collection/preservation and presentation/distribution of it.
In a country like the USA with a population so conditioned by such markedly distorted and manipulative media the use of juxtaposition in the clip above is the best method of making people think.
@Fishookfish Are you in denial??? Its not hard to derive meaning, the man Clearly Stated that the "Oriental" Carry little to no value in life. Have you watched the film??? How the hell do you come to the assumption that he was talking about asian leadership in war. Pure stupidity and denial on your part. Just complete ignorance.
Actually on a more serious note, I am in the minority opinion in that I believe that "oriental" is no more racist a word that "Asian". The only reason that it's considered racists is because a bunch of college students in the 1960s in the US decided that "Asian" would be the only acceptable label and all others were racist
Besides Asia is a continent of billions so to try to catagorize all those people into one catagory by using the word Asian is no less ignorant than calling them orientals
Why isn't this whole documentary on YouTube? YouTube could be world's greatest library and debating chamber combined. This film was originally banned across the US (land of the free), after which the film company declined to release it. Now "intellectual property rights" restrain it but this film was made 40 years ago so of what commercial value is it now?
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What Westmoreland meant was not that families don't value the lives of their own as much as Westerners; what he meant was that Asians in general do not value the lives of their fellow countrymen, etc., as much as Westerners do--IN GENERAL. And he is right.
One need only look at that part of the world's history--WWII era Japan-Korea-China-SE Asia--to see that what Westmoreland is saying is true.
You commentators need to get off your high fucking horse and face cultural reality.
smackitupNflipit you need to get your head out of your ass and use the brain god gave you. I'm Asian, and I can tell you that sentiment is rubbish. At least no Asian government has ever sent their men and women into war for oil. Talk about not valuing life.
@edavismookie25 hmmm, which is a better idea: social and economic justice and progress, or oil, Dorritos, and fat white people being able to buy more Coke than fat latinos and blacks at a Walmart in Memphis?
@blessedbe87 Did you get this out of your ass? What for oil we got from Iraq you moron? We never got any oil from Iraq. Our gas is $4 gallon high and we get 70% of oil from Canada and Saudi Arabia.
I'm white and grew up in SE Asia. You have absolutely no fucking idea what you're talking about. People of those nations care for their neighbors just as much as anywhere else, if not more.
What Westmoreland ACTUALLY meant was that there are so many gooks (oops, "Orientals") over there and they don't even care about their own lives or their neighbors', so why should WE, the kind, caring Westerners, care about incinerating whole villages with napalm? Life is "plentiful and cheap."
I have lived in Asia as well. I wasn't talking about "neighbors caring for neighbors" or "family caring for family," I was talking about the sentiment and mentality there as a whole. It may have changed a little, but not much. It is a subtle, different way of thinking. What Westmoreland was saying was not crazy, he merely shouldn't have said it out in the open the way he did.
europeans don't value there own life too? 20 million russians,3 million polish,and 6 million jewish died in world war 2 ,what does that say? either they would sacrifice anything even humans in a war or the european enemies don't care they are europeans,would you say life is like that in europe? or is there are alot of hypocrites out there in the world?
Wow, that's absolutely absurd. You are completely ignorant and a total asshole. You've clearly never watched this documentary and are, quite obviously, wholly unaware of the circumstances which caused and perpetuated the Vietnam war. Lastly, no, life is not "cheaper" anywhere. Needless, brutal, murder is the most sinister of crimes no matter how you look at it and the soldiers who survived Vietnam should be ashamed and appalled (as most of them are; much like Iraq war veterans) war is wrong.
Your attempts at being cute and witty have only resulted in you looking more stupid than had already been established. Firstly, you need to take an English class, stat. Secondly, you little boy, talked to people "who were U.S. military personel and Indochinese" at that time? (Of course what you were trying to say is that you have talked to US personnel who were in Indochina at that time, but you were just too dumb to realize your syntax error.) Yes, that seems so likely.
I bet the first thing they told you was how they "don't value life," right? God Damn, at least make up believable lies dude. I'm sorry your daddy was one of those murderous pigs but that doesn't justify the lives that were destroyed. Attempting to justify murder by saying that the people you are murdering "don't value life like we do" is total bullshit. Evolution made every sentient being value life. Every human being has feelings, has a family, has friends; there is no excuse for murder.
I'm White and English I find this utterly sickening , I'd like to say it is unfair to presume all westerners hold these views because that is just not true , I for one certainly don't. The government disgust me!
How can people even joke about this clip? Guess we really are screwed. And for all the "down with Ameri(k)a" or "go America go" stuff, that's half the problem. You're not different from the people fighting or the people being killed. They're all people. Just not from your tribe or flag or religion or whatever.
Let the angry,snappy, try-to-be-funny but cutting at the same time comebacks begin.
More disturbing than the clip are many of the comments here. And the USA dares to dictate democracy to the world!? I guess that there are Americans then simple humans. Everything foreign seems to be disregarded. I wonder how people who worship Lincoln and Jefferson thing this way?
I appreciate the sentiment, but the US doesn't dictate democracy. The purpose of intervention is to install business friendly regimes. The democracy promotion is just propaganda to make military intervention more palatable. Any serious look at Latin American history, or pre-revolutionary Iran or Cuba establishes this. Power always depicts itself as uniquely moral and justified, even when it sinks to the lowest depravities. Eg. Manifest destiny, white man's burden, etc.
Excellent comment and so true. I wish that more people had the courage and intelligence to look at American imperialism honestly and start holding the gov't responsible for the heinous acts it has carried out for far too long. The unfair, undemocratic, sexist, racist and hedonistic neoliberal policies of the US needs to be addressed and corrected if we are ever going to attain a more safe and united world. I hope that more people will realize real change can only come from them, not Obama.
USA should be aresed. Completely away from the face of the planet. One could divert an astroid with rockets and let it fall down on the USA, wiping it off. Plain and simple.
I see its all worth it now so we can have cheap clothes in the USA and UK right? And Bush had the fucking balls to go over to Vietnam a yr ago and say WE LOST and should of given it more time, fuck you you coward punk ass why didn't you serve? And then he starts Iraq for his father's oil buddies in Texass...fuck you
Isn't it ironic that George W. Bush visited the country he tried to avoid forty years ago? He himself said in an interview that he avoided service in Vietnam because he didn't wanted to be involved in a political war. Whether you like him or not he showed a lot of guts to that country.
The very reason There was "get Body Count" and, "if theyre dead then their VC" regardless of civilian or combatant, His Ideologies helped seal the fate of millions of civilians.
Hey "TheCOMMENTAT0R" have you? So you think life is cheap in Asia because a 2 bit asshole like him says that? An asian mother loves her child as much as an American or European. They just understand life in simpler terms because they are not so entangled with thinking "the world owes me and I have too many things that I do not want to live."
No I do'nt for 1 second think life is cheaper in Asia than anywhere else in the world I just think the Asian Culture express they're feelings in a more mature way than the American Culture
And that is why you commented that "Any that disagrees with General William Westmoreland has'nt been to ASIA"? Do you really think a general like that think of them as mature? or disposble to get his $%^*ing medals?
hey I disagree and I have been to Asia, William Westmoron was lacking Education to coin those remarks what a cunt. Id have shot him in the head Given the chance......
william westmoreland is a fucking jerk. he doesn't even know what he is talking about! i agree with danilo who said that he should have spent the rest of his life in vietnam.
Every invading power says the same thing about their victims. We hear the same thing about Muslims now.
Vebinz 2 months ago
@mk3238 im glad china owns you fuckers. you work and work and all your tax money goes into paying intrest on your loans to China. you american retards are now the slaves of China. Take a look at everything you own. you will find that 90% of it is made in china and none of it is made in the united states. all your companies open factories overseas. why? they know that american workers are lazy crybabies. why use american labor? they cant get the job done. your own companies know this!
kakashi76767 6 months ago
The Viet Cong started all this, and ended all this. Look at Vietnam now, 5 year old girls begging for money, 90 year old men and women still working to find money for their family, in order to afford food. I despise all Viet Cong and communists. I am South Vietnamese and proud of it. If it weren't for the Viet Cong, there would be no Vietnam war, or so called "unification of Vietnam". There would be no one dying, kids crying over the deaths of their fathers, and there would be no boat people.
oOAsianSensationOo 8 months ago
@oOAsianSensationOo actually, Vietnam is doing very well economically. you must get your information from your imagination. if it were not for the communists vietnam would still be under French control. you really should not be proud of being from south vietnam. you assholes had twice as many soldiers as the north AND you had the full support of the american army and you still couldnt win because you south vietnamese ran away at the first sign of trouble. greedy cowards.
kakashi76767 6 months ago
@kakashi76767 I've been to Vietnam. And what, North Vietnam did not have any support from the Chinese? Russians? And TO say again, who started the Vietnam War? Look at the Vietnamese government now, they're sucking up to the Chinese government. Before you call me a prick, or greedy coward, look at the Vietnamese history, get YOUR facts straight. Because of today's government, we have lost 2 islands, Trung Sa and Hoang Sa. There is so many things wrong with the Vietnamese government today.
oOAsianSensationOo 6 months ago
@kakashi76767 I'm South Vietnamese. And obviously, you have never seen what the Viet Cong did to the Southern Vietnamese Nation.
oOAsianSensationOo 6 months ago
What an idiot! Does he realize the South Vietnamese were American alies?
No wonder America lost this war.
megawutt 9 months ago
after several courses on history and my own experiences, i have concluded that America is fucking batshit! their patriotism and pride is underserved as the only thing america cares about is themselves. what they did to vietnam is horrific and even more puzzling is why! WHY did they do it? its because they were communist... they were not evil. not a threat to america. Ho Chi Minh even sent many messages to america saying he only wanted his countrys freedom. so america stopped vietnamese elections
b3nni3ghr 1 year ago
@b3nni3ghr If he wanted the country's freedom, then why start a war?
oOAsianSensationOo 6 months ago
@oOAsianSensationOo he didn't star the war, American "military Advisers" (troops) were moved in and stopped Vietnamese elections as it was clear the people would have voted for communism, which is not what america wanted, remember, Ho Chi Minh and the Vietcong fought WITH Americans during WW2 in the hope that they would support their Independence, but Eisenhower Refused to speak to Ho after the war ended. After Ho declaired he wanted to rule under communism, he was never even allowed to justify.
b3nni3ghr 6 months ago
@b3nni3ghr Was the wealth split among each and every person that was under his rule? Is everyone today living in Vietnam living life to the fullest content? But the question is still unanswered, WHY START A WAR, AND CONTINUE IT? Tet Offensive? Paris Peace Accords? And stop getting your facts from Wikipedia. My whole family was influenced by the war. Boat People. <--- Try thinking about this.
oOAsianSensationOo 6 months ago
@oOAsianSensationOo my facts are from 2 years of studying the Vietnam War, it doesn't matter how they are now (they are pretty happy, just not great) im saying the war was really unjust, they did not start the war americans did, have you heard of the gulf of Tonkin? the My Lei massacre? the Vietnamese people had been controlled by dozens of nations throughout history (chinese, japanese french and now american) they faught them all because they wanted their own country, they wanted independance
b3nni3ghr 6 months ago
as if westmoreland was speaking about this funeral! after the attocities commited against his men, LITTLE GIRLS LEADING THEM INTO TRAPS of course he would say such and mean it. the vietcongs used guerilla warfare, making them seem spineless and bloodthirsty. i am not against westmoreland for his quote. no one should be.
FruitCrusher51 1 year ago
you retard talk about open minds when all that i said was the name his soldiers gave him......but im glad i was able to crap in your cornflakes.
and ill take it as a joke that right wing bastards like you start complaining about manipulative media.
satanic666sonic 1 year ago
I don't really care what happens to a bunch of fish headed gooks anyway.
TheHerseI 1 year ago
@TheHerseI i can't hear you with that hood over your face
marzilyas 1 year ago
As a WWII officer, Westmoreland had a reputation as a taskmaster but one who cared about his men and took a great interest in their welfare.
On the other hand, Westmoreland once criticized his North Vietnamese opponent General Vo Nguyen Giap for "waging a big-unit war with terrible losses to his own men. By his own admission, by early 1969, I think, he had lost, what, a half million soldiers?...An American commander losing men like that would hardly have lasted more than a few weeks."
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 westmorelands nickname was : wastemoremen
satanic666sonic 1 year ago
@satanic666sonic Except the facts don't justify that moniker at all. On the other hand, that name WOULD apply to his North Vietnamese nemesis Vo Nguyen Giap, which you would know if you had enough brains to read my whole comment.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 whats wrong with you? try to behave yaself first...
satanic666sonic 1 year ago
@satanic666sonic Try to open your mind up a bit. Do you really think he was talking about situations like the one shown here?
Weasler455 1 year ago
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@satanic666sonic Fuck you, turd.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 US bombed the shit out of the country...end of discussion
marzilyas 1 year ago
@marzilyas Yeah, so much for liberal "open-mindedness"; what a joke.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 yeah, it is a joke that you think the Vietnam War was somehow noble for America, as if it were anything more than a grisly catastrophe, a series of bloody atrocities blemishing the United States' history of imperialism
marzilyas 1 year ago
@marzilyas I think YOU'RE the freaking joke - a life-long loser still living in the past.
Yes, it WAS a noble cause, but badly mishandled by a bumbling fool of a president who knew all about taking graft in Texas, but somehow couldn't transfer those skills into running a war. If LBJ had let his generals do what they wanted and needed to do, rather than tie their hands behind their backs, the whole thing would have been over in a couple years. Instead, the moron created a huge mess.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 ah yes, we just needed more dead American GIs there, that would have done the trick. It's like WWI, the generals are always right! Give me a fucking break.
marzilyas 1 year ago
@marzilyas What a fucking asshole!
Try growing up, will you? It's long overdue.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 what about nixon? he took over in 68 and the war didnt end until 75. they could not go all out since there was always the threat of china or russia entering the war, which could have led to nuclear war. and for what? to support a corrupt and cruel south vietnamese government? Diem, the first president of south vietnam, won his "election" with 99% of the votes. does that sound like democracy to you? sounds more like saddam hussein. That was the "freedom" we were protecting.
kakashi76767 6 months ago
@kakashi76767 Nixon did his best to get out out of a TERRIBLE situation created by Lyndon Johnson. And that wasn't the only one. He also had to deal with the Russians and with many domestic problems created by the "Great Society". As for the South Vietnamese, they were no angels I grant you, but it was a matter of containing communisn, and the choice of the lesser between two evils.
Weasler455 6 months ago
@Weasler455 Ah, but Nixon expanded the war into cambodia early in 1970. Thats what sparked the protests that lead to the Kent State debacle. He and kissinger talked about using tactical nukes, and the use of agent orange increased. saying nixion did his best to get us out of Vietnam is like saying Obama is doing his best getting us out of Afghanistan. Its easy to leave, you just go the hell home. i dont buy the containing communism thing since communism didnt spread after the north won.
kakashi76767 6 months ago
@kakashi76767 Let's get this straight once and for all. Nixon did not "expand the war into Cambodia". The communists were attacking American targets from bases in Cambodia. Nixon went in there to stop those attacks. The Leftist media, of course, distorted the whole thing, and THAT'S what led to the "Kent State debacle" as you put it (ho-hum, I could not care less about those vermin). You are naive as sin if you don't think there was a red threat back then. Going into Vietnam contained it.
Weasler455 6 months ago
@Weasler455 I would love to hear your excuse for watergate! all i know is Nixon had 4 years to either get out of there or else go full force and bomb the shit out of Hanoi. Just like LBJ, he did neither. Instead, he went to China and made friends with the "red threat" while Americans were still dying in Nam. But at least LBJ got the civil rights act passed. so that was one good thing he did.
kakashi76767 6 months ago
@kakashi76767 My "excuse" for the mythical crime known as Watergate? Well, #1) Nobody drowned there, get it? #2) Nixon didn't do anything more than Johnson or Kennedy ever did, and #3) I have a lot more interest in the strange death of Vince Forster (with his 55 minute trips to Switzerland) and the 74 other strange deaths linked to Slick Willie.
You don't know history. Nixon DID "bomb the shit" out of Hanoi, as well as blockade the harbor. The move with China was good trilateralism.
Weasler455 6 months ago
@Weasler455 Obama has already cut the deficit in half but the republicunts in congress keep spending more and more. they have spent over 80 billion trying to get rid of teaching evolution in schools. They have spent over 490 billion trying to buy up all the newspapers in the united states so that they can print their own news. George Bush has more than 3000 people locked up in FEMA jails to this very day. that costs money. thank god REAL americans voted Obama in and will keep him there.
kakashi76767 6 months ago
@kakashi76767 Obama has cut the deficit in half?? WHEN???? You don't have any idea of what you are TALKING about. He quadrupled it!!!!
Don't know what drugs you are taking, but man, you got your money's worth!
Weasler455 6 months ago
@kakashi76767 The Civil Rights Act led to Affirmative Action, which is reverse discrimination. And LBJ's Voting Rights Act led to the election of Obama. Both are disasters. IMHO, we need to revisit both. I know that's not likely, but given the intense anger of REAL Americans that will likely lead to enormous conservative victories next year, I'm hoping that other people will raise points similar to my own.
Weasler455 6 months ago
@kakashi76767 Amazing how you set a timetable for Nixon to get out. Know how long we would have been there if Johnson remained in office after '68? Well after 1973 for sure. That's because LBJ would not follow the advice of his generals. See, he knew all about taking graft in Texas, but that doesn't mean he knew how to wage a war. That's Democruds for you. They fuck up every single thing they get their stinking hands on. Look at the incredible mess Pelosi, Reid, and Obama have created today.
Weasler455 6 months ago
@Weasler455 everyone knows that nixon killed millions of americans when he passed the rape act of 1969. thats what started the recession we are in. obama has been doing some great trilateralism himself. Obama took out Bin Laden while bush protected him. Obama has done nothing worse that regan or nixon did. he has created millions of jobs. the problem is with american companies moving factories overseas because they know americans are lazy and cant get the job done.
kakashi76767 6 months ago
@Weasler455 Obama quadrupled the defecit? On what planet? You must have hit you head on something hard. Good thing Obama fixed the health care system, you can get that checked out. You're welcome.
kakashi76767 6 months ago
@kakashi76767 Neat being on drugs. Really cool, man.
Stupid shit.
Weasler455 6 months ago
@Weasler455 Dont talk to me about how cool drugs are, i know they are not. You just want to change the subject because you know you lost the argument. Obama has saved this country yet again by getting the default bill passed, even though the republicunts tried to block it, thus ensuring the economy would collapse. The republicunts hate America, thats why they allowed 9-11 to happen and didnt catch bin laden. you know who was able to locate bin laden? OBAMA. You're welcome!
kakashi76767 6 months ago
@kakashi76767 Obama never got bin Laden. Everyone knows it was Bush.
Weasler455 6 months ago
jeezus this is why ur country is gone,thats right 2 americans abusing each other over numbers & proven corrupt leaders,what has happened since you guys have been arguing over lies,have u seen what your antichrist of a leader has now bourt on your people,disagree with corporations,banking systems & governments & they will lock u all away wtf,
is going on, even funnier you still think the muslims did 911,jeeezus what a mess u are in,all because of 911, u have all been set up & u ain't free ;/
SUDZ1111 1 month ago
@SUDZ1111 it was a group of muslim extremists involved with al queida. but i do agree with the people that say that not all muslims were involved with it. it was just those few crazy terrorists that gave all muslims a very bad name.
pwnage51 1 week ago
@kakashi76767 Here's some facts for you:
Deficit under Bush (2008): $485 Billion
Deficit under Obama (2010): $1.6 TRILLION
(I know druggies like you are not good with numbers, so I'll clarify it: A trillion is thousand billion).
Another fact: The average gay male eats the fecal matter of 35 other gay men. Yeccchhhhh!!!!
Weasler455 6 months ago
@Weasler455 how do you know how much shit gay people eat? You must have first hand knowledge! I guess thats what happens when you father makes you fuck his face every christmas. anyway, some REAL facts from a REAL american: Deficit under Regan/Bush (1992) 700 TRILLION Under Clinton (2000): SURPLUS of 45 BILLION. Under Bush (2008) deficit of 90 TRILLION Now under Obama (2011) 45 Trillion. (45 is exactly half of 90) I get my information from real sources, not glenn beck.
kakashi76767 6 months ago
@kakashi76767 You get your info from POZ Magazine, which is what FAGS read.
90 TRILLION??? 700 TRILLION???? Those numbers makes no sense! You're totally fucked up.
Must be due to your AIDS drugs.
Impeached drug user and rapist Clinton gets NO credit for deficit reduction - it was all done by the GOP Congress.
No, I have no first hand knowledge of sick fag sex. I'm normal, and I just read a lot. You ought to try it sometime, rather than go to the bathhouse. (Yecchh!!!)
Weasler455 6 months ago
@Weasler455 how do you know what magazines fags read? You do a lot of research on fags bro! i wonder why... The GOP didnt control congress during the clinton years you moron, it wasnt until bush took office that the gop won the house and senate! wow, you are a fucking dummy! also, clinton was not impeached, nixon was! also, 90 trillion = 90,000 billion, and 700 trillion = 700,000 billion. how does that make no sense to you? oh i forgot, you are a total fuckhead! LOL! :P
kakashi76767 6 months ago
@kakashi76767 Everyone know fags like you read POZ. But I'm not gay - I'm good and normal.
The GOP controlled the Congress starting in 1994, the second year of IMPEACHED President Clinton's term. Nixon was not impeached - look it up.
90 trillion = 90,000 billion????? ROTFLMAO!!!! Well, I'm sure you failed math, sissy! Stick with your faggot arts classes.
Weasler455 6 months ago
I'd like the see the full context of Westmoreland's comments - not just the edited piece we see here. It was a clever piece of cinema to juxtapose his statement with that of a grieving family, but I seriously doubt he was referring to such a situation. To not give us the full story is to tell us a half-truth, and as they say, a half-truth is a LIE.
In other words, liberals are fucking scumbag liars, and I don't trust ONE FUCKING WORD of what they have to say. NOT ONE.
Weasler455 1 year ago
Westmoreland was a complete POS.
Raford146 1 year ago
@Raford146 If you had half a brain, you might realize that his words were probably taken out of context.
Should we juxtapose that funeral with Paul Krugman's endorsement of death panels?
Weasler455 1 year ago
Just a dispicable human being. He belongs in the same class as Hitler, Mao, Stalin: someone who engendered an enormous waste of human life.
Beck19781 1 year ago
westmorelands my last name haha its longg
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over9000christian 1 year ago
Westmoreland was obviously responding to what he had seen of communist tactics and their huge losses, like in Tet. Seeing them sacrifice tens of thousands over a few weeks and carry on would make him think like that. But obviously it's crap, we're all human and all suffer.
summerlight67 1 year ago
I expect alot of car magnet patriots to appear and support the General. Muuuurka fuck yeah!
xpat73 2 years ago
this is a horrible disstortion of images and an interview that was taken out of context.. for one to derive meaning from this they would have to be a moron.... obvious manipulation of media. Gen. Westmoreland was (i believe ) talking about asian leadership in war...
Fishookfish 2 years ago
Then I must be a moron.
singingknivesrecords 2 years ago 2
Surely all media must be manipulative to varying degrees. Subjective decisions must be made in the collection/preservation and presentation/distribution of it.
singingknivesrecords 2 years ago
In a country like the USA with a population so conditioned by such markedly distorted and manipulative media the use of juxtaposition in the clip above is the best method of making people think.
singingknivesrecords 2 years ago
@Fishookfish Are you in denial??? Its not hard to derive meaning, the man Clearly Stated that the "Oriental" Carry little to no value in life. Have you watched the film??? How the hell do you come to the assumption that he was talking about asian leadership in war. Pure stupidity and denial on your part. Just complete ignorance.
d0cToRaRoN 1 year ago 4
arrogant old fuck....
turtleblues66 2 years ago 6
why do racists say "oriental" ?
hoodwinkedfool 2 years ago
Actually on a more serious note, I am in the minority opinion in that I believe that "oriental" is no more racist a word that "Asian". The only reason that it's considered racists is because a bunch of college students in the 1960s in the US decided that "Asian" would be the only acceptable label and all others were racist
Besides Asia is a continent of billions so to try to catagorize all those people into one catagory by using the word Asian is no less ignorant than calling them orientals
majordbag2 2 years ago 2
not saying it's racist, just that for some reason racists always use "oriental" over "asian"
hoodwinkedfool 2 years ago
@hoodwinkedfool Shut the fuck up, idiot.
Weasler455 1 year ago
Why isn't this whole documentary on YouTube? YouTube could be world's greatest library and debating chamber combined. This film was originally banned across the US (land of the free), after which the film company declined to release it. Now "intellectual property rights" restrain it but this film was made 40 years ago so of what commercial value is it now?
michaelx8 2 years ago 3
In the words of a Vietnam veteran: "General Westmoreland was an asshole"
He didn't say much else about Vietnam; not a happy topic for him.
assckeeks 2 years ago 2
This comment has received too many negative votes show
What Westmoreland meant was not that families don't value the lives of their own as much as Westerners; what he meant was that Asians in general do not value the lives of their fellow countrymen, etc., as much as Westerners do--IN GENERAL. And he is right.
One need only look at that part of the world's history--WWII era Japan-Korea-China-SE Asia--to see that what Westmoreland is saying is true.
You commentators need to get off your high fucking horse and face cultural reality.
smackitupNflipit 3 years ago
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blessedbe87 2 years ago
smackitupNflipit you need to get your head out of your ass and use the brain god gave you. I'm Asian, and I can tell you that sentiment is rubbish. At least no Asian government has ever sent their men and women into war for oil. Talk about not valuing life.
blessedbe87 2 years ago 20
@blessedbe87 = O nice!!!!!!!!
irunAllOverU12 1 year ago
@blessedbe87 No. They just sent them to war for land. And to spread the communist idea.
edavismookie25 1 year ago
@edavismookie25 hmmm, which is a better idea: social and economic justice and progress, or oil, Dorritos, and fat white people being able to buy more Coke than fat latinos and blacks at a Walmart in Memphis?
mistarcraw 1 year ago
@blessedbe87 Did you get this out of your ass? What for oil we got from Iraq you moron? We never got any oil from Iraq. Our gas is $4 gallon high and we get 70% of oil from Canada and Saudi Arabia.
Hperman09 5 months ago
smack,
I'm white and grew up in SE Asia. You have absolutely no fucking idea what you're talking about. People of those nations care for their neighbors just as much as anywhere else, if not more.
What Westmoreland ACTUALLY meant was that there are so many gooks (oops, "Orientals") over there and they don't even care about their own lives or their neighbors', so why should WE, the kind, caring Westerners, care about incinerating whole villages with napalm? Life is "plentiful and cheap."
ajc06 2 years ago 5
I have lived in Asia as well. I wasn't talking about "neighbors caring for neighbors" or "family caring for family," I was talking about the sentiment and mentality there as a whole. It may have changed a little, but not much. It is a subtle, different way of thinking. What Westmoreland was saying was not crazy, he merely shouldn't have said it out in the open the way he did.
smackitupNflipit 2 years ago
europeans don't value there own life too? 20 million russians,3 million polish,and 6 million jewish died in world war 2 ,what does that say? either they would sacrifice anything even humans in a war or the european enemies don't care they are europeans,would you say life is like that in europe? or is there are alot of hypocrites out there in the world?
mytran80 2 years ago
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socal562lbc 3 years ago
Wow, that's absolutely absurd. You are completely ignorant and a total asshole. You've clearly never watched this documentary and are, quite obviously, wholly unaware of the circumstances which caused and perpetuated the Vietnam war. Lastly, no, life is not "cheaper" anywhere. Needless, brutal, murder is the most sinister of crimes no matter how you look at it and the soldiers who survived Vietnam should be ashamed and appalled (as most of them are; much like Iraq war veterans) war is wrong.
eros1057 3 years ago
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socal562lbc 2 years ago
Your attempts at being cute and witty have only resulted in you looking more stupid than had already been established. Firstly, you need to take an English class, stat. Secondly, you little boy, talked to people "who were U.S. military personel and Indochinese" at that time? (Of course what you were trying to say is that you have talked to US personnel who were in Indochina at that time, but you were just too dumb to realize your syntax error.) Yes, that seems so likely.
eros1057 2 years ago
I bet the first thing they told you was how they "don't value life," right? God Damn, at least make up believable lies dude. I'm sorry your daddy was one of those murderous pigs but that doesn't justify the lives that were destroyed. Attempting to justify murder by saying that the people you are murdering "don't value life like we do" is total bullshit. Evolution made every sentient being value life. Every human being has feelings, has a family, has friends; there is no excuse for murder.
eros1057 2 years ago
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socal562lbc 2 years ago
I'm White and English I find this utterly sickening , I'd like to say it is unfair to presume all westerners hold these views because that is just not true , I for one certainly don't. The government disgust me!
themad107 3 years ago
How can people even joke about this clip? Guess we really are screwed. And for all the "down with Ameri(k)a" or "go America go" stuff, that's half the problem. You're not different from the people fighting or the people being killed. They're all people. Just not from your tribe or flag or religion or whatever.
Let the angry,snappy, try-to-be-funny but cutting at the same time comebacks begin.
RPCM1987 3 years ago 2
Vietnam...A great American Victory, a true success....Good Job General, you are sorely missed.
Garcia0384 3 years ago
typical pea brained lard ass ameriKKKan. Fuck you and your white freak genocidial nation. DEATH TO AMERIKA, DEATH TO THE WEST!
iron5stp 3 years ago
Wow, I can't believe you didn't see the sarcasm in Garcia's comment... Painfully obvious.
Sincer1987 3 years ago
God I love that napalm, its like the most awesome thing we ever invented, unless some other country invented it and Im wrong.
Either way, whenever I see a village of grass huts being razed by napalm delivered via the USAF, it brings a warm feeling to my heart.
majordbag2 3 years ago
just like the world trade center? or pearl harbor?
mytran80 2 years ago
Well I did get a warm feeling on 9/11 because I knew that a crapload of douchebags were going to be getting napalmed soon.
majordbag2 2 years ago
@majordbag2 --- and many were :) watching it in real time was a bit more exciting.
moped1967 2 years ago
He must be burned alive, FUCK HIM!!!
iron5stp 4 years ago
sorry
i believe he is already dead.
sassyragazza 4 years ago
More disturbing than the clip are many of the comments here. And the USA dares to dictate democracy to the world!? I guess that there are Americans then simple humans. Everything foreign seems to be disregarded. I wonder how people who worship Lincoln and Jefferson thing this way?
hissmugness 4 years ago 2
I appreciate the sentiment, but the US doesn't dictate democracy. The purpose of intervention is to install business friendly regimes. The democracy promotion is just propaganda to make military intervention more palatable. Any serious look at Latin American history, or pre-revolutionary Iran or Cuba establishes this. Power always depicts itself as uniquely moral and justified, even when it sinks to the lowest depravities. Eg. Manifest destiny, white man's burden, etc.
WitlessSod 4 years ago 3
Excellent comment and so true. I wish that more people had the courage and intelligence to look at American imperialism honestly and start holding the gov't responsible for the heinous acts it has carried out for far too long. The unfair, undemocratic, sexist, racist and hedonistic neoliberal policies of the US needs to be addressed and corrected if we are ever going to attain a more safe and united world. I hope that more people will realize real change can only come from them, not Obama.
eros1057 3 years ago 19
@eros1057
USA should be aresed. Completely away from the face of the planet. One could divert an astroid with rockets and let it fall down on the USA, wiping it off. Plain and simple.
TheSunmanho 1 year ago
I thought we had learned these bitter lessons long ago. I am filled with shame for our country.
DARKLADYOFGA 4 years ago
I see its all worth it now so we can have cheap clothes in the USA and UK right? And Bush had the fucking balls to go over to Vietnam a yr ago and say WE LOST and should of given it more time, fuck you you coward punk ass why didn't you serve? And then he starts Iraq for his father's oil buddies in Texass...fuck you
hoctor 4 years ago
Isn't it ironic that George W. Bush visited the country he tried to avoid forty years ago? He himself said in an interview that he avoided service in Vietnam because he didn't wanted to be involved in a political war. Whether you like him or not he showed a lot of guts to that country.
peabody66 4 years ago
The very reason There was "get Body Count" and, "if theyre dead then their VC" regardless of civilian or combatant, His Ideologies helped seal the fate of millions of civilians.
kookaburrakookaburra 4 years ago
Hey "TheCOMMENTAT0R" have you? So you think life is cheap in Asia because a 2 bit asshole like him says that? An asian mother loves her child as much as an American or European. They just understand life in simpler terms because they are not so entangled with thinking "the world owes me and I have too many things that I do not want to live."
hellois5letters 4 years ago
No I do'nt for 1 second think life is cheaper in Asia than anywhere else in the world I just think the Asian Culture express they're feelings in a more mature way than the American Culture
TheCOMMENTAT0R 4 years ago
And that is why you commented that "Any that disagrees with General William Westmoreland has'nt been to ASIA"? Do you really think a general like that think of them as mature? or disposble to get his $%^*ing medals?
hellois5letters 4 years ago
I have to say that I take it back now that you brought it to my attention and I analized it ..Life is defenetly not cheaper anywhere.
TheCOMMENTAT0R 4 years ago
Good man! That is the truth. Only if others would see it then we would have less wars and less roubles. Good chatting with you.
hellois5letters 4 years ago
And yes I have been to Asia and seeing a lot of diffrent behavior's and pattern
's towards dead ones, than the American Culture
TheCOMMENTAT0R 4 years ago
Any that disagrees with General William Westmoreland has'nt been to ASIA
TheCOMMENTAT0R 4 years ago
hey I disagree and I have been to Asia, William Westmoron was lacking Education to coin those remarks what a cunt. Id have shot him in the head Given the chance......
kookaburrakookaburra 4 years ago
lol
iron5stp 4 years ago
what a jerk. William Westmoreland, I wish you burn in hell.
vnRock 4 years ago 4
absolutely
iron5stp 4 years ago
william westmoreland is a fucking jerk. he doesn't even know what he is talking about! i agree with danilo who said that he should have spent the rest of his life in vietnam.
luniiinha 4 years ago 4
What a son of a bitch... This guy should have spent the rest of his fucking life in Vietnam to see what he had done!
daniloqueirozsouza 4 years ago 3
Life is not important without freedom, you dumb fuck! Fucking coward! abandon your ally when they need you the most!
lnguye55 4 years ago
God Bless General William Westmoreland!
Dogge69 4 years ago