She's right about this. You can't out exercise a bad diet. I sometimes bike 50 miles and my calorie watch tells me I've burned about 1600 calories. It takes me about 7 hours on my bike to go this far (I'm a slow rider), but I can scarf down that much in calories in about 5 minutes with some pizza, wings, and a desert.
Look Excercise can & does contribute to a calorie deficit(therefore it helps to lose weight).You walk 20 minutes,you killed 200 calories.Are you gonna lose a pound after a day,no.If you remain active you will kill calories & as they add up along with healthier eating you will lose weight.Your body kills calories 24/7. For a woman 1,200 calories on average are burned by doing nothing but breathing,pumping your heart,kidneys working.Ad movement on top---walk,rake leaves,gardening,calories burn
i think Zoe is right in what she is saying about exercise alone is not the answer, the reason being with most people who have a weight problem its not the small amout of exercise they do but how much they eat or the quality of food they eat. there for its a dietary problem and that need to be looked at. but i do think exercise is very important and should be used in conjunction with a healthy diet. With the two combined weight loss is achieved alot quicker.
Actually, every one is different. Some people have faster metabolism than others, like me. Some people can exercise and eat whatever they want and still keep the weight off, and some can't. Just follow the Jeet Kun Do philosophy towards life. It teaches to keep whatever works for yourself, and discard what doesn't.
Thank you, Zoe, for setting the record straight: exercise doesn't reduce weight. weight. In fact, over-exercising can bring on cravings for more food. I have been in an eating disorders group for nineteen years and took - and kept off - over a hundred pounds. I just lost another fifteen pounds this year when I became a vegetarian. I haven't touched white, brown sugar or corn syrup in nineteen yrs. Brisk, fun exercise tones and feels good, period. Also: cook at home more than dining out!
(3) It's just, I imagine, difficult to some to take it all in, given it would need a whole life of misconceptions to take aside.
And all of you with the rudest comments - what I try to do, if I don't understand something, first just try and _listen_, then try to _understand_ what's been said, then try and think about it - not all you ca't understand at first is non-sense.
Hi there - thanks so much for your support & lovely comments. I was pretty upset at the time - not least because I was trying to help people not get attacked! I left the comments up because I think they say more about the writers and their characters!
I do start by saying exercise is a great thing to do, but it does complicate weight loss! My easiest clients to help walk the dog - they don't train for 3 hrs & need loads of carbs.
(2) All I want to say, what you say makes total sense to, I think, lot of us, as you patiently try to explain how the human body _actually_ and really works.
Dear Zoe, I hope the rude and seriously dull comments on here didn't hurt you (too much, as I can imagine they did anyway). I think it's just some of your watchers can't understand the whole concept, and as they only "hear" sentences out of the whole thing, they can't help themselves but argue, and in a very dull and hurtful way, too.
i cant belive how rude r the comments some of u made!! its just non sense!!! Very Very Bad Language towards someone lovely clever intelligent and polite as Zoe!!! If I Was Her i would have deleted all your rude comments!! Calling u all Animals would be an isult to them!!!
does it? Exercise is great for you, of course it is, but you don't need to go mad in the gym, just move more. Genetics plays a huge part too.
Watch Penn and Teller's bullshit about exercise v genetics, even the people selling the idea that anyone can have a fitness model body admits that genetics plays a huge part.
As for your abuse, you're only like that because someone's come along and challenged your firmly held beliefs, and people, now more than ever, can't accept that so they lash out.
Hi there - many thanks for your support! I also saw the Time Mag article and loved it. I will check out the Penn and Teller - thanks for that.
I came to see the abuse over this video as the equivalent of having been set upon by anorexics if I dared suggest they may not need to starve! It will attract anger, as there is good evidence that exercise is addictive.
This isn't the group that I'm trying to help anyway - it's the 250+lb who need to stop eating junk!
It's interesting how I get a thumbs down for my comment, even though science has said exactly the same as what you're saying. I wonder if these people would boo me if I made a comment about evolution having masses of evidence and creationism having absolutely sod all ;-).
Seems some people only wanna agree with science if it confirms their point of view.
Wow, this lady doesn't even have an education background in nutrition or exercise science. She's a former anorexic/bulimic who read alot of books.
Makes since because her believes seem to mirror typical ana thinking that all calories = fat. She has no concept of metabolism probably because she completely destroyed hers by being anorexic.
And you say my facts are wrong?! I have a BA and MA from Cambridge university, a Diploma in Diet & Nutrition and a Diploma in Clinical Weight Management. I'm also a member of Mensa (the high IQ society in case you don't know what this is) - mine is 157.
I say you're either seriously misinformed or you are not saying what you are intending. All I'm saying is that someone with the type of education you claim to have would know the benefits of exercise exceed strength, stamina, looking good, and feeling good.
Also having a high IQ does not qualify you to do anything.
The way I see it, you are either ill informed or you are purposefully spreading misinformation in order to sell your books just like the majority of the weight loss industry does.
This is an interesting comment as I am in the minority up against what I see as the rest of the misinformation out there. The most common message in the world of weight loss (that's my arena - not fitness - but trying to get people into the normal BMI range) is eat less/do more (the 3500 calorie formula). No one can prove this. I fundamentally believe that we have misapplied thermodynamics to a human and that human fat does not work like peanuts under a Bunsen burner. Exercise...
...is just the other side of the 'create a caloire deficit' equation and I just don't buy this whole concept. We wouldn't put less petrol in a car and flog it even harder and expect it to reach the destination.
Working with obese patients, the single biggest difference is made when they stop eating sugar and any processed food. They eat only real food (meat, fish, eggs, veg/salad, dairy and limited fruits and whole grains) and any exercise they do makes so little difference compared to this.
Do you not realize that with a decent exercise routine and a proper diet your body can handle those extra calories? If you workout for an hour lifting weights then eat a decent meal with plenty of carbs and protien you're feeding your body what it needs to build more muscle. This extra muscle will burn more calories a day. Stop feeding people false information. You dont just 'ruin' what you did in the gym by having a damn candy bar...ugh
Her point is not that exercise is futile, it's just not enough to counter a shitty diet. You can't "burn off calories" and lose weight by running an hour everyday. You need to fix your diet first. Exercise will build muscles (and she even acknowledges it), but not significantly reduce body fat. In fact, even the muscle-building part is largely dependent upon your diet, even moreso than the routine itself.
That's not what she's saying at all. She's says exercise builds strength, stamina, makes you feel good etc.
She says that exercise cannot help you burn fat at all, which is complete BS. Exercise absolutely CAN help you reduce body fat, you just have to make sure you're eating a reasonable diet and not overexercising. Gradual weight loss is key.
She also said it can help you get toned, i.e. build muscle/lose fat.
Exercise can indeed help you burn fat, but not significantly enough to even notice it, unless you change your diet.
She clearly overemphasized the importance of diet over exercise, but this emphasis is necessary imo. This video was not really targeted at you. It's for the idiots who "work out everyday for months but can't seem to lose anything because of bad genes," but always seem to forget the disgusting 4000+ cal diet.
I disagree that the video is necessary because it's only giving one half of the total picture. I know what you mean about the idiots. I used to be one of em. I was 5'9 and 315lbs at my all time high. I tried all the stupid diets, tried cutting my calories excessively, tried exercising excessively.
Luckily I learned better. I learned to exercise moderately several times a week. 3 days a week doing 20-30 minutes of cardio. 3 days doing weight lifting.
Today I'm a lean, muscular 187lbs and have been about this weight for 3 years. And I can say for sure that exercise was VERY important for my success.
Hi there - many thanks for your interest . There's a link to my website at the top of this page. On this you'll find a research page and then a sub heading research - I try to put up there any articles I have soft copies of.
Jequier, (2002), found that the energy used up in making energy is c. 6-8% for carbs, 2-3% for fats and 25-30% for proteins. Feinman & Fine took Jequiers mid points (7%, 2.5% and 27.5%) and applied these to a 2,000 calorie diet with 55:30:15 proportions of carb:fat:protein. 2,000 calories yielded 1,848 calories available for energy. I repeated the calc for a 10:30:60 high protein diet and the yield drops to 1,725 calories.
Then we come to calories out - the idea that to lose 1lb of fat you need to create a deficit of 3500 calories (which I've still yet to see proven) relies upon the body behaving like a peanut under a Bunsen burner. A peanut may give off 2 cals but the body doesn't work like that. Faced with an energy deficit it will look for carbs first, fat second, protein next, then glycogen, then try and slow down to avoid the deficit - anything other than release stored fat. We are too good at storing!
Thank you very much for providing some numbers! You've illustrated very well exactly how what we eat makes a difference, and I thank you for that. Rigid thinking is certainly a detriment in these situations, and you're right about how one shouldn't depend completely on just a deficit or just exercise.
I just didn't think that there were people who actually thought that **only** exercise would solve their problem; I just figured it was common sense. Turns out they really need things like this spelled out for them.
However if I just sit on my tush all day and continue to eat bread and pasta, I'll use some of those carbs just being alive, and the difference will be stored as fat. So following this logic, if I intake **less** carbs (and not absolutely none), my body should be using energy stored in my muscles & fat cells more so than if I were eating the average carb intake should it not?
I definitely agree that calories are **not** all the same, but the importance of what we put into our bodies is somewhat relative to our activity levels. I could eat all the carbs I want, as long as I'm very active within the period of time following when I intake them, I shouldn't gain any weight (maybe even lose some).
i quote "It is frightening how many people I work with who think that they just need to do some exercise" from Zoe , well Zoe shut the fuck up its not your problem and in fact just remove the vid
I'm not saying that exercise is not important, I'm saying that we can eat in 45 seconds what can take 45 mins to burn off, so overweight people (and I work with people with BMI's of 40-50) need to be far more careful about what they put into their body. It is frightening how many people I work with who think that they just need to do some exercise and they don't have to watch what they eat. I'm sure people on here tonight have bodies of Greek Gods - but my patients don't.
Ya, but what you fail to understand is that the human body is constantly burning calories. It has to to keep you alive. If you eat fewer calories than you use, then you lose weight, and exercising uses even more calories.
Nobody is suggesting that exercise alone helps you lose weight, it doesn't. Diet is more important overall but exercise helps immensely.
A person who eats 500 calories less than their maintenance calories and just sits around every day for a week is estimated to lose about a pound of fat in that one week.
A person who eats 500 calories less than their maintenance calories and also burns an extra 500 calories throughout the day doing physical activities such as exercising or walking will lose about 2lbs of fat per week.
You say exercise is important for health, but it ALSO helps you lose weight, assuming you're eating right.
Thank you Kirbynessness for being more considered and less deranged than some of the others tonight!
Have you read Kekwick & Pawan or Feinman & Fine on the different metabolic effects of different macronutrients? A calorie is not a calorie when it comes to how the body uses them. I have analysed every isocaloric study since 1956 and found no correlation (0.009) between calories and weight loss and a 0.8 correlation between carbs and weight loss. What we put in is so much more important...
Firstly I'd like to apologize for the behavior of some of my peers, the internet can be a frustrating place sometimes.
Also I'd just like to point out that you claim that there is no correlation between carbs and weight loss, yet claim that what we put in is important; maybe there is just something I'm not understanding here, if you could clear that up that would be nice.
That amounts to me burning 3700 calories over the course of 24 hours. Now let's say I put into my body only 3000 calories per 24 hours. That's a deficit of 700 calories every day. Can you really deny that exercise aids in weight loss? I agree with you that it's mostly diet, but with all due respect, your video (and I'm paraphrasing here) misleads a lot of people who don't know better to believe that exercise is trivial. It's about diet **and** weight loss.
Lets say my basal metabolic rate burns 2500 calories in 24 hours. Also, let's say I burn 700 calories during those same 24 hours just moving around, working, every day activities,etc. Also lets say an exercise (exactly which is arbitrary) burns 500 extra daily.
Well as you're too cowardly to allow comments on your page, badnewranger I shall comment here instead.
Wow, what a stunning rebuttal you made of the time magazine article you made "Time magazine is run by money, that's it, fuck you faggot" So because it's run by money (whatever that means) it's instantly wrong and it lies, yes? Even though it quotes scientists, but I suppose all those scientists are lying too. Do you believe in NWO conspiracies too? :-D
Still too much of a coward to comment here, badnewranger? :-) I'm not mad at all, just setting you straight. I've obviously managed to do that successfully as you haven't come back here. All you can do is make really shit, unoriginal and stereotypical comments on my page.
You would be so, so easy to insult, but it's mean to pick on people with personality and intelligence defects. I'll let you have the last word, you obviously need it given the emptiness of your life and all.
You are an intellectual coward, badnewranger. Instead of appreciating science and accepting that it's possible you've been proved wrong, you resort to abuse because you have no where else to go.
That's the beauty of science, it constantly updates and adds to the store house of knowledge. I shan't expect you to appreciate that though. I will, however, expect another torrent of stereotypical abuse because you're clearly incapable of civilised debate.
Fuckin hell your a dumb cunt. I post two things proving your bullshit wrong and you delete it.
Wow you were anorexic so now your an expert. Your dumb as hell. Apparently that makes you a scientist now. Look at hollywood personal trainers. they combine diet with exercise and it works all the time as long as the client follows the plan. Go on look it up.
Wow, you must be retarded. A mix of a good "diet" and a good exercise program=Key. If you are determined to lose weight, i've seen proof for it. Stop spreading misinformation to morons who actually fall for these things.
Seriously, are you stupid or just trying to be manipulative? Taking in more calories doesn't mean you gain more weight. Stop spreading your shit propaganda to sell whatever it is you want to sell and stop telling lies. Cunt.
I've been anorexic - it's how I know that the 3500 deficit doesn't work - if it did I would be dead!
The calorie theory is the misconception - it is critical for the 90% of the Western world that will be obese by 2050 (Foresight report) that we challenge this. I am still waiting for proof of this myth from any of you (or any government organisation for that matter). Do any of you want a debate on thermodynamics or why you think the Body behaves like a peanut under a Bunsen burner?!
Instead of being such an abusive little turd, badnewranger, how about you actually look at some of the science for yourself? Better still, google the phrase "Time magazine exercise" and read the very first link.
No one's saying don't exercise but what is being said is that it won't help significantly with weight loss. Studies show that obese people actually exercise more and burn more calories than people in healthy BMI ranges but they're still obese. It doesn't say a whole load for exercise
Hey, thanks for spreading misconceptions to fat people and anorexics alike- I bet YOUR new diet will just take the cake when in comparison to tried and true methods of fat loss, not weight loss.
Oh god, you used the word 'tone' too. Please learn how the body works, and gtfo
Yet another "diet guru" purposely spreading misinformation in order to sell their diet products.
They way you describe exercise makes me think you don't even know what the Basal Metabolic Rate is. You seem to think that in order to lose weight by exercise you would have to stay in the gym all day to burn off those calories when its simply not true!
Small deficit of calories + exercise = weight loss. You can't argue with that, if you do then you are an idiot
Guys - we have 2/3 of the Western world overweight because this myth is the basis of current diet advice and it is fundamentally wrong.
Did you know that the avg person has gained 20lbs in the past 25 years? The calorie formula says that this comes down to no change in energy expenditure whatsoever and eating 7.67 calories extra per day OR no change in energy intake whatsoever and walking 1-2 mins fewer per day. Could anything be more ridiculous?!
"you would need to run over 60 minutes to burn off an average sized mars bar"
Ok, lets assume you are slow and of an average weight. Say you run 10 minute miles and only burn 100 calories per mile. 60 minutes of running would be 600 calories burnt and that is a very lowend estimate. Personally when I run for 60 minutes I burn almost 1,000 calories.
I can't believe she is suggesting that an ordinary sized candy bar has upwards of 600 calories!!!
Dear all 5 above - the idea that exercise will cause weight loss derives from the calorie myth (sorry, theory). This says that "To lose 1lb of fat you need to create a deficit of 3500 calories (by eating less and/or doing more)." I invite any of you to say exactly where this 3500 formula comes from and to prove that it is irrefutably correct.
As I have asked the same of the NHS, NICE, NOF, ASO and Dept of Health (with no luck as yet) I really am keen to see your answers
I raged!! And no one says exercise is ALL you need to do to lose weight. Find anyone who says it's "all you need".
Keeping your calorie intake constant, exercise is a great way to lose weight. An hour of intense exercise burns 800+ calories, a quarter pound of fat. Carried out over a year, that's 90 pounds of fat.
Hi there - I'm just saying, what you eat is many times more important than what you do, if trying to lose weight. You can eat in 45 seconds what can take 45 mins to burn off, so intake is more important than expenditure.
If someone at a stable weight makes no changes to their eating and starts to exercise, they may gain weight (muscle is heavier), they may lose weight, they may get hungry and eat more!
I'm saying that exercise alone is not going to solve the obesity epidemic.
She's right about this. You can't out exercise a bad diet. I sometimes bike 50 miles and my calorie watch tells me I've burned about 1600 calories. It takes me about 7 hours on my bike to go this far (I'm a slow rider), but I can scarf down that much in calories in about 5 minutes with some pizza, wings, and a desert.
razerfish 5 months ago
Look Excercise can & does contribute to a calorie deficit(therefore it helps to lose weight).You walk 20 minutes,you killed 200 calories.Are you gonna lose a pound after a day,no.If you remain active you will kill calories & as they add up along with healthier eating you will lose weight.Your body kills calories 24/7. For a woman 1,200 calories on average are burned by doing nothing but breathing,pumping your heart,kidneys working.Ad movement on top---walk,rake leaves,gardening,calories burn
sumbarine 5 months ago
i think Zoe is right in what she is saying about exercise alone is not the answer, the reason being with most people who have a weight problem its not the small amout of exercise they do but how much they eat or the quality of food they eat. there for its a dietary problem and that need to be looked at. but i do think exercise is very important and should be used in conjunction with a healthy diet. With the two combined weight loss is achieved alot quicker.
sanka118 1 year ago
Actually, every one is different. Some people have faster metabolism than others, like me. Some people can exercise and eat whatever they want and still keep the weight off, and some can't. Just follow the Jeet Kun Do philosophy towards life. It teaches to keep whatever works for yourself, and discard what doesn't.
psalas0378 1 year ago
Thank you, Zoe, for setting the record straight: exercise doesn't reduce weight. weight. In fact, over-exercising can bring on cravings for more food. I have been in an eating disorders group for nineteen years and took - and kept off - over a hundred pounds. I just lost another fifteen pounds this year when I became a vegetarian. I haven't touched white, brown sugar or corn syrup in nineteen yrs. Brisk, fun exercise tones and feels good, period. Also: cook at home more than dining out!
XOMartha44 1 year ago
(3) It's just, I imagine, difficult to some to take it all in, given it would need a whole life of misconceptions to take aside.
And all of you with the rudest comments - what I try to do, if I don't understand something, first just try and _listen_, then try to _understand_ what's been said, then try and think about it - not all you ca't understand at first is non-sense.
vellerb 1 year ago
@vellerb
Hi there - thanks so much for your support & lovely comments. I was pretty upset at the time - not least because I was trying to help people not get attacked! I left the comments up because I think they say more about the writers and their characters!
I do start by saying exercise is a great thing to do, but it does complicate weight loss! My easiest clients to help walk the dog - they don't train for 3 hrs & need loads of carbs.
Thanks again - Zoe x
ZoeHarcombe 1 year ago 3
(2) All I want to say, what you say makes total sense to, I think, lot of us, as you patiently try to explain how the human body _actually_ and really works.
vellerb 1 year ago
Dear Zoe, I hope the rude and seriously dull comments on here didn't hurt you (too much, as I can imagine they did anyway). I think it's just some of your watchers can't understand the whole concept, and as they only "hear" sentences out of the whole thing, they can't help themselves but argue, and in a very dull and hurtful way, too.
vellerb 1 year ago
i cant belive how rude r the comments some of u made!! its just non sense!!! Very Very Bad Language towards someone lovely clever intelligent and polite as Zoe!!! If I Was Her i would have deleted all your rude comments!! Calling u all Animals would be an isult to them!!!
mokugin81 2 years ago
does it? Exercise is great for you, of course it is, but you don't need to go mad in the gym, just move more. Genetics plays a huge part too.
Watch Penn and Teller's bullshit about exercise v genetics, even the people selling the idea that anyone can have a fitness model body admits that genetics plays a huge part.
As for your abuse, you're only like that because someone's come along and challenged your firmly held beliefs, and people, now more than ever, can't accept that so they lash out.
ChunderChunk 2 years ago
Hi there - many thanks for your support! I also saw the Time Mag article and loved it. I will check out the Penn and Teller - thanks for that.
I came to see the abuse over this video as the equivalent of having been set upon by anorexics if I dared suggest they may not need to starve! It will attract anger, as there is good evidence that exercise is addictive.
This isn't the group that I'm trying to help anyway - it's the 250+lb who need to stop eating junk!
Best wishes - Zoe
ZoeHarcombe 2 years ago
No problem.
It's interesting how I get a thumbs down for my comment, even though science has said exactly the same as what you're saying. I wonder if these people would boo me if I made a comment about evolution having masses of evidence and creationism having absolutely sod all ;-).
Seems some people only wanna agree with science if it confirms their point of view.
ChunderChunk 2 years ago
How about you eat clean AND exercise. Sure, you won't get fat eating clean, but you won't be fucking uber either.
unluckytourist 2 years ago
Wow, this lady doesn't even have an education background in nutrition or exercise science. She's a former anorexic/bulimic who read alot of books.
Makes since because her believes seem to mirror typical ana thinking that all calories = fat. She has no concept of metabolism probably because she completely destroyed hers by being anorexic.
bankypunk 2 years ago
And you say my facts are wrong?! I have a BA and MA from Cambridge university, a Diploma in Diet & Nutrition and a Diploma in Clinical Weight Management. I'm also a member of Mensa (the high IQ society in case you don't know what this is) - mine is 157.
ZoeHarcombe 2 years ago
I say you're either seriously misinformed or you are not saying what you are intending. All I'm saying is that someone with the type of education you claim to have would know the benefits of exercise exceed strength, stamina, looking good, and feeling good.
Also having a high IQ does not qualify you to do anything.
The way I see it, you are either ill informed or you are purposefully spreading misinformation in order to sell your books just like the majority of the weight loss industry does.
bankypunk 2 years ago
This is an interesting comment as I am in the minority up against what I see as the rest of the misinformation out there. The most common message in the world of weight loss (that's my arena - not fitness - but trying to get people into the normal BMI range) is eat less/do more (the 3500 calorie formula). No one can prove this. I fundamentally believe that we have misapplied thermodynamics to a human and that human fat does not work like peanuts under a Bunsen burner. Exercise...
ZoeHarcombe 2 years ago
...is just the other side of the 'create a caloire deficit' equation and I just don't buy this whole concept. We wouldn't put less petrol in a car and flog it even harder and expect it to reach the destination.
Working with obese patients, the single biggest difference is made when they stop eating sugar and any processed food. They eat only real food (meat, fish, eggs, veg/salad, dairy and limited fruits and whole grains) and any exercise they do makes so little difference compared to this.
ZoeHarcombe 2 years ago
I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT DIET!
I lost over 100lbs by eating the type of diet you recommend, but exercise was IMMENSELY important to my weight loss.
Exercise does no good if you have a shit diet.
Exercise can do alot of good if you have a good diet.
End of story.
bankypunk 2 years ago
And I agree with this :-)
ZoeHarcombe 2 years ago
OH FUCK OFF, this is ridiculous
s34mu5 2 years ago
Do you not realize that with a decent exercise routine and a proper diet your body can handle those extra calories? If you workout for an hour lifting weights then eat a decent meal with plenty of carbs and protien you're feeding your body what it needs to build more muscle. This extra muscle will burn more calories a day. Stop feeding people false information. You dont just 'ruin' what you did in the gym by having a damn candy bar...ugh
mattlikespeoples 2 years ago
Watch the video again.
Her point is not that exercise is futile, it's just not enough to counter a shitty diet. You can't "burn off calories" and lose weight by running an hour everyday. You need to fix your diet first. Exercise will build muscles (and she even acknowledges it), but not significantly reduce body fat. In fact, even the muscle-building part is largely dependent upon your diet, even moreso than the routine itself.
Don't overreact so easily.
slomo788 2 years ago
That's not what she's saying at all. She's says exercise builds strength, stamina, makes you feel good etc.
She says that exercise cannot help you burn fat at all, which is complete BS. Exercise absolutely CAN help you reduce body fat, you just have to make sure you're eating a reasonable diet and not overexercising. Gradual weight loss is key.
bankypunk 2 years ago
She also said it can help you get toned, i.e. build muscle/lose fat.
Exercise can indeed help you burn fat, but not significantly enough to even notice it, unless you change your diet.
She clearly overemphasized the importance of diet over exercise, but this emphasis is necessary imo. This video was not really targeted at you. It's for the idiots who "work out everyday for months but can't seem to lose anything because of bad genes," but always seem to forget the disgusting 4000+ cal diet.
slomo788 2 years ago 4
I disagree that the video is necessary because it's only giving one half of the total picture. I know what you mean about the idiots. I used to be one of em. I was 5'9 and 315lbs at my all time high. I tried all the stupid diets, tried cutting my calories excessively, tried exercising excessively.
Luckily I learned better. I learned to exercise moderately several times a week. 3 days a week doing 20-30 minutes of cardio. 3 days doing weight lifting.
bankypunk 2 years ago
Today I'm a lean, muscular 187lbs and have been about this weight for 3 years. And I can say for sure that exercise was VERY important for my success.
bankypunk 2 years ago
Also while I have not read those books, they seem interesting enough to provide insight into metabolic processes; I'll be sure to look into them
Kirbynessness 2 years ago
Hi there - many thanks for your interest . There's a link to my website at the top of this page. On this you'll find a research page and then a sub heading research - I try to put up there any articles I have soft copies of.
Here's a starter below...
ZoeHarcombe 2 years ago
Jequier, (2002), found that the energy used up in making energy is c. 6-8% for carbs, 2-3% for fats and 25-30% for proteins. Feinman & Fine took Jequiers mid points (7%, 2.5% and 27.5%) and applied these to a 2,000 calorie diet with 55:30:15 proportions of carb:fat:protein. 2,000 calories yielded 1,848 calories available for energy. I repeated the calc for a 10:30:60 high protein diet and the yield drops to 1,725 calories.
Calories in are not the same...
ZoeHarcombe 2 years ago
Then we come to calories out - the idea that to lose 1lb of fat you need to create a deficit of 3500 calories (which I've still yet to see proven) relies upon the body behaving like a peanut under a Bunsen burner. A peanut may give off 2 cals but the body doesn't work like that. Faced with an energy deficit it will look for carbs first, fat second, protein next, then glycogen, then try and slow down to avoid the deficit - anything other than release stored fat. We are too good at storing!
ZoeHarcombe 2 years ago
Thank you very much for providing some numbers! You've illustrated very well exactly how what we eat makes a difference, and I thank you for that. Rigid thinking is certainly a detriment in these situations, and you're right about how one shouldn't depend completely on just a deficit or just exercise.
Kirbynessness 2 years ago
I just didn't think that there were people who actually thought that **only** exercise would solve their problem; I just figured it was common sense. Turns out they really need things like this spelled out for them.
Kirbynessness 2 years ago
However if I just sit on my tush all day and continue to eat bread and pasta, I'll use some of those carbs just being alive, and the difference will be stored as fat. So following this logic, if I intake **less** carbs (and not absolutely none), my body should be using energy stored in my muscles & fat cells more so than if I were eating the average carb intake should it not?
Kirbynessness 2 years ago
I definitely agree that calories are **not** all the same, but the importance of what we put into our bodies is somewhat relative to our activity levels. I could eat all the carbs I want, as long as I'm very active within the period of time following when I intake them, I shouldn't gain any weight (maybe even lose some).
Kirbynessness 2 years ago
i quote "It is frightening how many people I work with who think that they just need to do some exercise" from Zoe , well Zoe shut the fuck up its not your problem and in fact just remove the vid
chrislukebt 2 years ago
I'm not saying that exercise is not important, I'm saying that we can eat in 45 seconds what can take 45 mins to burn off, so overweight people (and I work with people with BMI's of 40-50) need to be far more careful about what they put into their body. It is frightening how many people I work with who think that they just need to do some exercise and they don't have to watch what they eat. I'm sure people on here tonight have bodies of Greek Gods - but my patients don't.
ZoeHarcombe 2 years ago
Ya, but what you fail to understand is that the human body is constantly burning calories. It has to to keep you alive. If you eat fewer calories than you use, then you lose weight, and exercising uses even more calories.
Nobody is suggesting that exercise alone helps you lose weight, it doesn't. Diet is more important overall but exercise helps immensely.
bankypunk 2 years ago
A person who eats 500 calories less than their maintenance calories and just sits around every day for a week is estimated to lose about a pound of fat in that one week.
A person who eats 500 calories less than their maintenance calories and also burns an extra 500 calories throughout the day doing physical activities such as exercising or walking will lose about 2lbs of fat per week.
You say exercise is important for health, but it ALSO helps you lose weight, assuming you're eating right.
bankypunk 2 years ago
Thank you Kirbynessness for being more considered and less deranged than some of the others tonight!
Have you read Kekwick & Pawan or Feinman & Fine on the different metabolic effects of different macronutrients? A calorie is not a calorie when it comes to how the body uses them. I have analysed every isocaloric study since 1956 and found no correlation (0.009) between calories and weight loss and a 0.8 correlation between carbs and weight loss. What we put in is so much more important...
ZoeHarcombe 2 years ago
Firstly I'd like to apologize for the behavior of some of my peers, the internet can be a frustrating place sometimes.
Also I'd just like to point out that you claim that there is no correlation between carbs and weight loss, yet claim that what we put in is important; maybe there is just something I'm not understanding here, if you could clear that up that would be nice.
Kirbynessness 2 years ago
That amounts to me burning 3700 calories over the course of 24 hours. Now let's say I put into my body only 3000 calories per 24 hours. That's a deficit of 700 calories every day. Can you really deny that exercise aids in weight loss? I agree with you that it's mostly diet, but with all due respect, your video (and I'm paraphrasing here) misleads a lot of people who don't know better to believe that exercise is trivial. It's about diet **and** weight loss.
Kirbynessness 2 years ago
Lets say my basal metabolic rate burns 2500 calories in 24 hours. Also, let's say I burn 700 calories during those same 24 hours just moving around, working, every day activities,etc. Also lets say an exercise (exactly which is arbitrary) burns 500 extra daily.
Kirbynessness 2 years ago
Zoe's best way to loose weight! eat more and move less
chrislukebt 2 years ago 3
I really hope you realize how dumb you are. Cuz if desperate people believe what you are saying. They are going to be very, very disappointed.
I'll leave it at that for you to consider how I treated you and see that everyone else is thinking the same things as me.
Eat less move more
and
you're dumb.
badnewranger 2 years ago
Well as you're too cowardly to allow comments on your page, badnewranger I shall comment here instead.
Wow, what a stunning rebuttal you made of the time magazine article you made "Time magazine is run by money, that's it, fuck you faggot" So because it's run by money (whatever that means) it's instantly wrong and it lies, yes? Even though it quotes scientists, but I suppose all those scientists are lying too. Do you believe in NWO conspiracies too? :-D
ChunderChunk 2 years ago
Eat less. Move more.
Sell that.
antonsaidmeatloaf 2 years ago
Listen you stupid bitch. by your anorexic theory that apparently you would be dead if science was right lets do this.
How about you didn't give enough information? how about do you have any idea how much energy muscle stores? Oh yeah you don't believe in that.
Cuz your dumb as shit.
badnewranger 2 years ago
Still too much of a coward to comment here, badnewranger? :-) I'm not mad at all, just setting you straight. I've obviously managed to do that successfully as you haven't come back here. All you can do is make really shit, unoriginal and stereotypical comments on my page.
You would be so, so easy to insult, but it's mean to pick on people with personality and intelligence defects. I'll let you have the last word, you obviously need it given the emptiness of your life and all.
Toodles :-)
ChunderChunk 2 years ago
Hey yah fuckin bitch would you look at that. I'm not the only person who thinks your complete shit. EVERYONE who has posted here does.
badnewranger 2 years ago
You are an intellectual coward, badnewranger. Instead of appreciating science and accepting that it's possible you've been proved wrong, you resort to abuse because you have no where else to go.
That's the beauty of science, it constantly updates and adds to the store house of knowledge. I shan't expect you to appreciate that though. I will, however, expect another torrent of stereotypical abuse because you're clearly incapable of civilised debate.
ChunderChunk 2 years ago
If exercise doesn't get help, you're just not doing enough of it.
thatonewhiteguy991 2 years ago
Zoe Harcombe author of bullshit
chrislukebt 2 years ago
Fuckin hell your a dumb cunt. I post two things proving your bullshit wrong and you delete it.
Wow you were anorexic so now your an expert. Your dumb as hell. Apparently that makes you a scientist now. Look at hollywood personal trainers. they combine diet with exercise and it works all the time as long as the client follows the plan. Go on look it up.
Cunt.
badnewranger 2 years ago
Hi my name is Zoe and I'm a dumb fuck who wants to con"troll" what people eat and i post videos because i think I'm a diet guru
chrislukebt 2 years ago
Wow, you must be retarded. A mix of a good "diet" and a good exercise program=Key. If you are determined to lose weight, i've seen proof for it. Stop spreading misinformation to morons who actually fall for these things.
VivisectedBunnies 2 years ago
Seriously, are you stupid or just trying to be manipulative? Taking in more calories doesn't mean you gain more weight. Stop spreading your shit propaganda to sell whatever it is you want to sell and stop telling lies. Cunt.
meerten918 2 years ago
I'll leave these up now - so that people can see how nasty, vicious and sick you are
ZoeHarcombe 2 years ago
I've been anorexic - it's how I know that the 3500 deficit doesn't work - if it did I would be dead!
The calorie theory is the misconception - it is critical for the 90% of the Western world that will be obese by 2050 (Foresight report) that we challenge this. I am still waiting for proof of this myth from any of you (or any government organisation for that matter). Do any of you want a debate on thermodynamics or why you think the Body behaves like a peanut under a Bunsen burner?!
ZoeHarcombe 2 years ago
for fucks sake your dumb. thought you went to bed? fuck.
badnewranger 2 years ago
man bitch your fuckin dumb
badnewranger 2 years ago
look at this dumb fuckin bitch
badnewranger 2 years ago
Instead of being such an abusive little turd, badnewranger, how about you actually look at some of the science for yourself? Better still, google the phrase "Time magazine exercise" and read the very first link.
No one's saying don't exercise but what is being said is that it won't help significantly with weight loss. Studies show that obese people actually exercise more and burn more calories than people in healthy BMI ranges but they're still obese. It doesn't say a whole load for exercise
ChunderChunk 2 years ago
Hey, thanks for spreading misconceptions to fat people and anorexics alike- I bet YOUR new diet will just take the cake when in comparison to tried and true methods of fat loss, not weight loss.
Oh god, you used the word 'tone' too. Please learn how the body works, and gtfo
At least your in the kitchen
RancorPlague 2 years ago
I've removed one comment - there is no need for F words.
ZoeHarcombe 2 years ago
You know diets are bullshit and unhealthy.
HoribiFuckis 2 years ago
Yet another "diet guru" purposely spreading misinformation in order to sell their diet products.
They way you describe exercise makes me think you don't even know what the Basal Metabolic Rate is. You seem to think that in order to lose weight by exercise you would have to stay in the gym all day to burn off those calories when its simply not true!
Small deficit of calories + exercise = weight loss. You can't argue with that, if you do then you are an idiot
bankypunk 2 years ago
I'm off to bed now - I really hope I have half a dozen robust proofs of the calorie theory when I wake up!
Night night - Zoe x
ZoeHarcombe 2 years ago
And another calorie theorist!
Guys - we have 2/3 of the Western world overweight because this myth is the basis of current diet advice and it is fundamentally wrong.
Did you know that the avg person has gained 20lbs in the past 25 years? The calorie formula says that this comes down to no change in energy expenditure whatsoever and eating 7.67 calories extra per day OR no change in energy intake whatsoever and walking 1-2 mins fewer per day. Could anything be more ridiculous?!
Please think!
ZoeHarcombe 2 years ago
this lady gotta be the stupidest person alive.. i should sue her for waisting 2 mins of my life..
C0nstellati0ns 2 years ago
"you would need to run over 60 minutes to burn off an average sized mars bar"
Ok, lets assume you are slow and of an average weight. Say you run 10 minute miles and only burn 100 calories per mile. 60 minutes of running would be 600 calories burnt and that is a very lowend estimate. Personally when I run for 60 minutes I burn almost 1,000 calories.
I can't believe she is suggesting that an ordinary sized candy bar has upwards of 600 calories!!!
dasklavierleben 2 years ago
Dear all 5 above - the idea that exercise will cause weight loss derives from the calorie myth (sorry, theory). This says that "To lose 1lb of fat you need to create a deficit of 3500 calories (by eating less and/or doing more)." I invite any of you to say exactly where this 3500 formula comes from and to prove that it is irrefutably correct.
As I have asked the same of the NHS, NICE, NOF, ASO and Dept of Health (with no luck as yet) I really am keen to see your answers
Many thanks - Zoe
ZoeHarcombe 2 years ago
"It can tone your body"
"It doesn't make you lose weight"
What?
FluffyMuffinMan 2 years ago 2
Lol, yet another "The ___ Diet"
All you have to do is eat less and move more.
nemesis656 2 years ago 2
Why can't I thumbs down the user who posted the video?
spayced 2 years ago
I raged!! And no one says exercise is ALL you need to do to lose weight. Find anyone who says it's "all you need".
Keeping your calorie intake constant, exercise is a great way to lose weight. An hour of intense exercise burns 800+ calories, a quarter pound of fat. Carried out over a year, that's 90 pounds of fat.
nikeswooshguy 2 years ago 2
exercise increases your body metabolic rate,
blah blah blah lah.
I RAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lilkao3 2 years ago 2
Hi there - I'm just saying, what you eat is many times more important than what you do, if trying to lose weight. You can eat in 45 seconds what can take 45 mins to burn off, so intake is more important than expenditure.
If someone at a stable weight makes no changes to their eating and starts to exercise, they may gain weight (muscle is heavier), they may lose weight, they may get hungry and eat more!
I'm saying that exercise alone is not going to solve the obesity epidemic.
Many thanks Zoe
ZoeHarcombe 2 years ago
are u saying people dont lose weight by exercising?
ima69bish 2 years ago