Coyote/Deer Conflict

[gunZxblaZing99]

In il you can't hunt deer with a rifle so I have a 12 g but you can hunt coyotes with a rifle I use a 30-06

[Jstrail101]

My coy dog gun, I use for both deer and coys it's a marlin bolt-action .308 I use a 150 grain bullet just an all around good gun. :)

[Laprise202]

nice shot man how far?

[GLDRNNR]

i have used a 22-250 on a coyote before and i must say they are great guns for hunting varmit

[Creative1me]

@GLDRNNR not too far...180 yds or so.

[EchosFromaBlankMind]

If thedarkocean would delve into his statistics a little deeper and view it objectively he would see what type of deprivation coyotes create in relation to living near man and the herds that concern us, be it deer, sheep or cattle. More coyotes get killed by cars and parvo then by any hunters. There is still plenty of oppurtunities for the coyotes, such as when people leave dog and cat food out, or sometimes even the dogs and cats themselves. If the family pet is eaten,then citizens become aware

[thedarkocean]

Man can never control nature no matter how much we try. Every animal is there for a specific reason. Humans weaken the herd, predators strengthen it.

[Creative1me]

The objective of quality deer management is not to increase their population, in fact it is to keep the population within the carrying capacity of the environment. In a productive herd, we actually harvest large numbers of does (fawn producers), and allow young bucks to survive. This results in a more natural herd sex ratio and age structure, and a healthier overall deer herd.

[thedarkocean]

But you have to admit that deer management is about making deer available to humans first and all other animals second. Therefore, you will always be wasting money trying to control predators when they can just control each-other. Bring back cougars, bears and wolves and coyote population will go down naturally. The science shows that killing does not lowewr the population effectively, animals reproduce/move in too quickly.

[Creative1me]

Not true, quality deer management is about maintaining a healthy sustainable deer herd, within the lands carrying capacity. Bringing back cougars, bears and wolves is about as practical restoring cities and suburbia to pre-development times...its just not going to happen due to human conflict. I respectfully disagree with your statement regarding science/predators. Intensive not coincidental predator management is effective, but needs to be sustained over time.

[thedarkocean]

You have to admit that your objective is to increase the deer population which is contrary to the forces of nature. Nature has it's own balance that is impossible to fight. You could kill 75% of the coyote population and it isn't going to have an effect on deer because that strategy does not work. Once you clear a specific area, that area is quickly replenished by other coytoes. Killing is not an effective control of population.

[jfrye9319]

Coyotes are useful and destructive. On managed properties, they show no negative impacts to any herd. On under managed property like most in the US they uncontrollably multiply and devastate the herds. For those of us East of the Mississippi this is aggravating because coyotes aren't native to our soil they moved in 100 years ago and stretch all the way to Maine. Manage your timber and everything in it, domestic growth has destroyed natural management.

[thedarkocean]

There are too many coyotes because you killed off the wolves and grizzlies. Let nature create a balance.

[ytaccount83]

The few wolves and bear that have ventured into Illinois didn't make it. It's not their habitat. Forgiving that, are you implying that wolves and grizzlies eat coyotes and that would control them? Probably not the case. Wolves will chase yotes off, and perhaps wolves and bears could suppress the coyotes food supply. But the point here is to encourage deer populations, not just trade one predator for another. Go back to watching Whale Wars and crying.

[godivadove]

OMG!! john wayne music to a poor animal corpe. disgusting!

[vllychik13]

Coyotes kill cats and dogs. They provide more harm than anything else. I have been an avid hunter since i was 8 and have shot many coyotes. I have recently been doing a paper and found out that hunters could safely kill 75% of the coyotes world population and they still wouldn't be endangered.

So, go buy your small game tag and get some yotes!

[lmerlott]

we need coyotes...we have WAY TOO MANY WHITE TAILED DEER....oh my gosh...are you insane? ANd the masters degree scientist agreed with this!!!!!

[Creative1me]

Part 1 of 2

In this case we all are correct. You point out we need coyotes, true. You state we have too many deer, true again - generally speaking. If you were more familiar with Building Whitetail Paradise, you would understand that we practice and teach a modified form of Quality Deer Management. One aspect includes intensive herd management, advocating reducing the fawn producing segment, specifically does (females), and allowing non-fawn producers to mature.

[Creative1me]

2/2 On well managed property you never allow too many deer it adversely impacts the environment. Coyote #s can get out of hand, and adversely impact the ecosystem, as can deer. In these instances, coyote numbers need to be decreased, especially where deer are being properly managed. Dr. Hellickson? PhD, one of the leading Whitetail deer researchers in the world. Please realize, it is difficult to do a complete job in a short TV segment. I do appreciate your taking the time to relay your thoughts

[kingrex08]

what do you do with them after you kill them? i know that some counties post bounties and some fur traders will buy the skins but what do you do with the rest of it?

[Creative1me]

The fur buyer sends carcasses to a rendering plant where they are recycled into useful products.

[vazrod65]

why do you enjoy killing such beautiful animals. Is just not right.

[burfeilds11]

we hunt because we live for this

[vllychik13]

Coyotes eat cats and dogs. They are more of a nuisance than anything else. I have always been an avid hunter and am doing a paper on coyotes now and i recently found out that you can safely kill off 75% of the worlds population of coyotes and it wont hurt their population at all, they reproduce so quickly.

So I say, SHOOT EM' ALL!

[1realitycheck]

Pennsylvania hunters are ready,willing,and able to kill every coyote we see in the woods.

It's a fact that coyotes with insurance company named tags in their ears have been found in this state. I will shoot every one I see.

[forgot266]

u cant kill all the coyotes, u arent even putting a dent in the population by shooting them. , so u hunters are wasting your time.

[Creative1me]

I don't want them eliminated, just the population trimmed back. The 21 coyotes shot on the farm last year did put a dent in the numbers. Each of those dead coyotes would have contributed to deer kills here, but didn't this past winter, spring and summer following their demise. It's about balance. Thanks for the comment.

[scrumptiousvittles]

I'm all for letting wolves flourish in the USA once again. The eastern USA was once full not only with timber wolves, but also with eastern elk, eastern mountain lion, heath hen, passenger pigeons and many other since extirpated species. we will never get the passenger pigeon back, which was a delicious bird. the indians lived cooperatively with all these species for thousands of years. we weak christianized idiots have forgotten the wisdom of a life that cooperates with and respects nature.

[newjersey02]

you idiot, its new generation faggot, i bet you if the fcuking indians had high tech shit to live with samething will happen to them

[scrumptiousvittles]

probably

[scrumptiousvittles]

Our system encourages immigration. we have an idea that the USA, because of its recent history of immigration, must always be a land in flux. we must learn to think like our hunter-gatherer ancestors and love and become involved in our land. immigrants are far less despicable than the non-immigrants who employ them, and the entire system is sick. you must be an honest american before you can tell someone else to stay out. as it is now, we don't have any ties to the land and we are hypocrites.

[gpsland]

most wolves are gone. wolves used to eat the coyotes. now that there are very few wolves. they thrive with their only threat being cars and hunters. stop the illigal mexican humans from comeing and send the mexican wolf instead!!!!!!!!!!!

[scrumptiousvittles]

where is the respect? where is the wisdom? why do we have to act like idiot mavericks when we kill animals? doesn't this sort of attitude strengthen the positions of peta and other radical anti-hunting groups? kill animals, that's fine by me, but realize that you are killing beautiful, complex creatures that are closely related to you. it is no laughing matter. you should be respectful to it and the system of life the created it and you. no one is the "manager" of nature. that's simple ignorance

[gopistons2006]

Hippy

[scrumptiousvittles]

Well said, my good man! Do you care to elaborate?

[newjersey02]

faggot

[scrumptiousvittles]

cutie pie

[J0Gu7]

Kill em alll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[foundationruss]

Dude why would you want to kill them all? They are the species responsible for killing off the weak and sick and old deer, so if you were to "kill them all" as you suggest we would be ridding the environment of natural selection leaving us with a bunch of sick and old deer that have poor health and wont survive easally these deer are being killed because they are no longer fit for nature so Killing all the coyotes will not solve your problem at all. Think about it buddy.

[J0Gu7]

I was just kidding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you are right though. But fawn survival is a different issue.

[Horsegirl4040]

Me and my brother got chased by a Cyote before, it was scary. Plus I was very very small, at least 3.7 feet tall!

[airmunn]

OK, here is the deal... Yeah they knock down the deer population a bit, but they play hell on all other farm livestock. In my area the coyotes don't harm the deer hunting but I just hate seeing the sneaky basturds killing fawns. I'll shoot a coyote any time. Do some surfing on the web and see how much livestock they play hell with....

[foundationruss]

Dude search the web and see how were massacring the predator population on earth because they "kill" live stock. Maybe if we raised more agile and speedy animals to eat they wouldnt be able to catch them. Killing these animals is not a good thing, look that up on the web and im sure youll find new reasons why not to kill these predators, i promise you.

[Hala9902]

You're from the UK and don't know what you're talking about!

[CJDaTman]

i would see that there was something wrong if the deer population was low but it's not at all

[sequoiact]

Man, they look too much like dogs. CT has soooo many deer in front yards. We need more coyotes

[dvsdvsdvs42]

we need more coyotes.... are you blind... did you see the damages on whitetails that are caused just by coyotes... some people are really stupid

[westphalianprinz]

Not as much damage as wolves and people do on them. If coyotes were 80-90 pounds, they'd be a lot better.

[Hala9902]

A lot better for what. They KILL many deer. I'm not certain about the adult deer, but a coordinated attack takes a few I'm sure and they kill fawns quite easily! I have heard a coyote den having over 25 deer carcasses in it.

[Hala9902]

The deer population has plummeted in my area in western MN because of those things. The coyote population seemed to skyrocket the last 5 yrs. Even when they are hunted, it is hard to dent the population.

[CJDaTman]

wtf coyote should be there, they are there for a reason there just trying to get money by removing the coyotes to get hunters to come to there ranch ... coyotes killing deer is normal, now removing them from their habitat is not

[Hala9902]

They were reintroduced (coyotes) and a nuiscense. The DNR did not think about the ramifications. I don't know where you're from, but there are no ranches in the area I hunt. I have hunted deer for about 18 years. An example is hunting party I know about 6-8 yrs. ago fill out with just buck tags of groups of 10-12, the last two years they have gotten a total of 1 buck and none this year.

Coyotes never used to be in my area and the deer are suffering!