@nixxxon18 que es lo que te jode????? e l ladrón juzga por su condición!!!!! SIEMPRE SI SABE HISTORIA, CATALUÑA NUNCA HA SIDO UNA NACION EUROPEA HAN SIDO PARTE DEL REINO DE ARAGON UNIDO SIEMPRE A EL RESTO DE ESPAÑA AUNQUE TE JODA ES LO QUE ES.....
@nixxxon18 vamos a ver a donde quiere llegar??? quiere que te diga que cataluña es una nacion y es diferente al resto de españa?'' vamos! eres catalan???
@nicopsico Pues claro, tenemos diferente idioma, diferente cultura, diferentes costumbres y diferente ideosincrasia, eso es lo que nos hace una nacion... repito, desde antes de que españa existiera. Y da igual el tema de las divisiones politicas. Antes de unirse a aragon, catalunya era independiente, y con aragon siguio siendo catalunya, no cambio nada.
Es verdad lo que aquí se dice: "Catalunya no es más que una Comunidad entre otras muchas de España, con sus singularidades". Una de esas "singularidades" es que pagamos, por derechos de conquista, 22.000 Millones de € al año al Estado español.
It's true what is said here: "Catalunya is just a community among many of Spain, with their singularities". One of those "singularities" is that we pay, by right of conquest, 22,000 € Million annually to Spanish State.
I must see this Gaudi's masterpiece!!!!! I simply must see it!!! I have seen so many works of arts, 'live' and in pictures, but nothing impressed me as much as this marvelous church!!! So spectacular, and yet so pure and original in its concept...
I saw it 4 times during my life: it´s t h e building of my life.
When you are in top of the towers you admire the great art of Antonio Gaudi, and you wonder, he is greater: an architect or an artist. And you can´t decide this.
thank you so much for your 'inside' report! :) I plan to go there soon, but, you know... I want to go there with somebody who really wants to go there, as much as I do...
@MrRaveho No entiendo...mailhoax solo ha enumaredo unos hechos demostrados y probados. No comparto para nada el independentismo, pero lo que es verdad, es verdad, asi de simple. No entiendo tu reacción.
@ascodedia Debo agradecerte tu comentario! Queria ver si aún existia gente que aceptara y respetara opiniones diversas. Aún que no aceptes mi opninión sobre la independencia, demuestras que sabes debatir sin insultar. Mucha gente pierde los estibos cuando se ponen demostraciones encima de la mesa, y su única reacción es insultar e ignorar, excluyendose a si mismos de cualquier debate. Con mis respetos!
@SolidTube911 If Spain has something to say, they will have to respect the self-determination as an european right. The decision should be up on every collective and decided by an oficial referendum.
The 8 article from the spanish constitution says that the military should act if somewhere wants to be independent, and this is against the human rights.
@mailhoax yes but barcelona or catalania isnt recognised as an independent state of europe but part of spain, there for spain has every right to intervene military if needed to stop succession. This is supported by euorpean law so spain wont allow independence. This is why braitain still gets to keep ireland, scotland & wales as part of greater britain.
Besides why do catalanians want idependence, there are ot of benefits being part of spain. For one ur football league will be awfull.
@SolidTube911 The 8 article from constitution is against the basic human right of self-determination. Its something obvious. Maybe you think is logic to use the military to kill people who want to introduce some papers to celebrate the democracy for theyr future, but it would be a human crim.
I was speaking about independence and you about football... I can't believe!
@mailhoax listlen to my point in all of this..if catalans got independence then alot of other city states will call for independence. The basque, scots, irish, sicilians and many more. This will become end of europe. Self determination in terms of autonomous is understandable which i respect and is granted by spanish constitution i believe, but independence thats a nationalistic & idealistic way to declare yourself or a nation. Nationalism will only lead to a bloody end as history has shown.
@SolidTube911 If Catalonia wants to declare independence, there will be lots of other places that will be interested, but is not about interest, its about if they are able to get enough democracy to get the independence, and if it happends, its up on every one. You can search about Quebec and Groendland, and many more that they have the right to vote for it. Its a right and it should be applyed, but I can wait till 4-8 years and we will get an overwhelming majority. Patience is better!
@mailhoax secondly Logicly speaking it would make sense stoping a breakaway of an autonomous region for the greater good of the whole country. Stoping nationalist before it starts a wave of conflicts that results in a civil war before it has an opportunity to grow. Keeping a lid on leftist is also a good idea as shown quite reasontly they have become very powerful in europe. Just like george bush said "death of a few means survivor of many".
@mailhoax Finaly about football as we in UK are big fans of it & invented it. I was only making a reference to catalan & spanish common culture. The spanish league dubbed la liga or primare league is prob the biggest league in the world. If catalan became independent it wouldnt have the level of competition & level of football would decrease so much that barcelona would become insignificant in europe. Fc Barcelon is a symbol of catalania pride right? prob the biggest thing coming from catalania.
@SolidTube911 I think is not serious speak about soccer when Im speaking about a democracy and freedom. Barça in the past was called "Catalonia" but it was banned and is still banned at this days. We would continue with the same good soccer team. In fact Guardiola and many people from Barça are independentists.
Of course not, It takes a lot for me to deliberately insult somebody... It's just the fact you don't attempt in the slightest to understand the wishes of that colony (catalonia), instead, you seem to be quite protective of the things your (I think) people (spaniards) achieved in the past by killing. :/ and on top of that you talk the people of that colony into declaring themselves as Spaniards... -_-
but the thing is if you go to any province or region in any part of the world there will be some which will constantly want independance eg Scotland, Galicia, Tibet, Northern Ireland, Gaza, South Ossetia, Gibraltar, Montserrat, Falkland Islands. And then you've got Catalonia!
I'm not this kind of weird person who's overly patriotic for Spain. I just don't understand why Catalonia should be any different to the regions i listed above.
If every country simply gave in to the wishes of these regions, we would live in a world which would be much more complicated than it is already as there would be more governments which means more laws, more arguments and eventually more wars. It's not as if Spain gives no rights to Catalonia - it gives many rights to the region!
It's simply people like 4banderas who have to disrupt the peace that is present in Catalonia at the moment.
I understand what you are saying Carlonski, and yes, it would be very nice to live in a countryless planet, at the end of the day, barriers are there 'cos of all the bureoucracy. Catalonia is a region where people live in armony, respecting each others language choices, at least that is what I saw. You have the right to express yourself in Catalan or Spanish.
What I strongly frown upon are those who force their language (spanish) and spanish culture onto others in Catalonia. There's only one country (andorra) and one "region", Catalonia, where I can learn Catalan and its culture. There are many countries where I can easily learn Spanish and their cultures. So why supress Catalonia? Why try to increase the learning hours of Spanish in Catalonia when I would have no interest in the language/culture?
Catalonia is an autonomous community in the kingdom of spain. IT IS SPAIN and should be proud to call itself Spain. If every single region behaved like catalonia, there would be no peace in the world. Catalonia has always been a part of Spain for the last 1000 years so why should it cahnge now?
Catalonia only 300 years ago as part of the Spanish State. The State has tried to Catalonia as a conquered territory in inferiority. Catalonia has to be free again and I will '. Spanish State, Fascist State!
i can tell you're not english because that whole paragraph makes no sense. It's sad to see people like you who can't be proud of their own identity which in your case is spanish.
I am Catalan, not Spanish. What is sad is to see people like you who defend the Spanish imperialism, his arrogance and his fascism. Freedom for people is peace and freedom for humanity.
no you are spanish. your identity is spanish therefore you are spanish. "freedom for people" are you in chains or something?? for goodness sake..spain enforces no laws on you in which you cannot do a certain thing. In effect, it is the Catalan "government" which enforces laws which give fines if catalan is not spoken. If you want your so called "freedom for people" you ought to be going to the SPANISH government. He ido a Barcelona...me gusto mucho :D
@DocStrange0123 me referia a que ese mensaje que me has enviado se lo envies al resto de la gente que yo no soy el único que se ha puesto a hablar de política
porque solo é construida con el diñero dels habitantes de Barcelona , e va continuar asi hasta que sea concluida .. muchos años van a passar probalbelmente mas de 20 años
FREE CATALONIA! Catalonia is not spain//*//
abdbaye 1 year ago
@abdbaye cataluña siempre ha sido y sera parte del reino español!!!! es una region de españa desde que españa es es españa!!!
nicopsico 1 year ago
@nicopsico y tu madre ha sido y sera puta del prostibulo de al lado no te jode
nixxxon18 1 year ago
@nixxxon18 que es lo que te jode????? e l ladrón juzga por su condición!!!!! SIEMPRE SI SABE HISTORIA, CATALUÑA NUNCA HA SIDO UNA NACION EUROPEA HAN SIDO PARTE DEL REINO DE ARAGON UNIDO SIEMPRE A EL RESTO DE ESPAÑA AUNQUE TE JODA ES LO QUE ES.....
nicopsico 1 year ago
@nicopsico ni tan solo sabes lo que significa la palabra nacion, eres el tipico retrasado españolito que no sabe ni de lo que habla.
Catalunya ha sido nacion desde mucho antes de que españa existiera y lo seguira siendo.
Busca al diccionario el significado de nacion antes de responderme con la misma mierda de siempre, gracias
nixxxon18 1 year ago
@nixxxon18 vamos a ver a donde quiere llegar??? quiere que te diga que cataluña es una nacion y es diferente al resto de españa?'' vamos! eres catalan???
nicopsico 1 year ago
@nicopsico Pues claro, tenemos diferente idioma, diferente cultura, diferentes costumbres y diferente ideosincrasia, eso es lo que nos hace una nacion... repito, desde antes de que españa existiera. Y da igual el tema de las divisiones politicas. Antes de unirse a aragon, catalunya era independiente, y con aragon siguio siendo catalunya, no cambio nada.
nixxxon18 1 year ago
@nixxxon18 por esa regla entonces todas las regiones de españa son naciones y no existiría españa sin un mierdero de pueblos pequeños!
nicopsico 1 year ago
Es verdad lo que aquí se dice: "Catalunya no es más que una Comunidad entre otras muchas de España, con sus singularidades". Una de esas "singularidades" es que pagamos, por derechos de conquista, 22.000 Millones de € al año al Estado español.
It's true what is said here: "Catalunya is just a community among many of Spain, with their singularities". One of those "singularities" is that we pay, by right of conquest, 22,000 € Million annually to Spanish State.
MrMoiseso 1 year ago
When you stand in front of this you forget to breath
1979RED1 1 year ago
I must see this Gaudi's masterpiece!!!!! I simply must see it!!! I have seen so many works of arts, 'live' and in pictures, but nothing impressed me as much as this marvelous church!!! So spectacular, and yet so pure and original in its concept...
jesienna83 1 year ago 2
@jesienna83
I saw it 4 times during my life: it´s t h e building of my life.
When you are in top of the towers you admire the great art of Antonio Gaudi, and you wonder, he is greater: an architect or an artist. And you can´t decide this.
so: take a plane and hurry up to Sagrada Familia.
NoKlon 1 year ago
@NoKlon
thank you so much for your 'inside' report! :) I plan to go there soon, but, you know... I want to go there with somebody who really wants to go there, as much as I do...
jesienna83 1 year ago
Catalonia is very nice and interesting. I'd like to live there. I love BCN
See you soon
Clip08z 1 year ago
Antoni Gaudí era catalán e independentista.
!!*!! viva España separada de Catalunya !!*!!
!!*!! Catalonia the next state in Europe !!*!!
mailhoax 1 year ago
@mailhoax Pues claro que si, Y El pan con tomate tambien, eres un mísero producto de la subcultura independentista!!!
MrRaveho 1 year ago
@MrRaveho No entiendo...mailhoax solo ha enumaredo unos hechos demostrados y probados. No comparto para nada el independentismo, pero lo que es verdad, es verdad, asi de simple. No entiendo tu reacción.
Saludos.
ascodedia 1 year ago
@ascodedia Debo agradecerte tu comentario! Queria ver si aún existia gente que aceptara y respetara opiniones diversas. Aún que no aceptes mi opninión sobre la independencia, demuestras que sabes debatir sin insultar. Mucha gente pierde los estibos cuando se ponen demostraciones encima de la mesa, y su única reacción es insultar e ignorar, excluyendose a si mismos de cualquier debate. Con mis respetos!
Hasta otra..!
mailhoax 1 year ago
Una impresionante obra iniciada por Gaudi
sraatanasia 1 year ago
tu se una granda marija
aZbacNov12 1 year ago
There is a small error in the title. Catalonia is not Spain. Catalonia is a nation and will be a new state of the European Union.
Xafarder 1 year ago
@Xafarder not if spain has something to say about it
SolidTube911 1 year ago
@SolidTube911 If Spain has something to say, they will have to respect the self-determination as an european right. The decision should be up on every collective and decided by an oficial referendum.
The 8 article from the spanish constitution says that the military should act if somewhere wants to be independent, and this is against the human rights.
mailhoax 1 year ago
@mailhoax yes but barcelona or catalania isnt recognised as an independent state of europe but part of spain, there for spain has every right to intervene military if needed to stop succession. This is supported by euorpean law so spain wont allow independence. This is why braitain still gets to keep ireland, scotland & wales as part of greater britain.
Besides why do catalanians want idependence, there are ot of benefits being part of spain. For one ur football league will be awfull.
SolidTube911 1 year ago
@SolidTube911 The 8 article from constitution is against the basic human right of self-determination. Its something obvious. Maybe you think is logic to use the military to kill people who want to introduce some papers to celebrate the democracy for theyr future, but it would be a human crim.
I was speaking about independence and you about football... I can't believe!
mailhoax 1 year ago
@mailhoax listlen to my point in all of this..if catalans got independence then alot of other city states will call for independence. The basque, scots, irish, sicilians and many more. This will become end of europe. Self determination in terms of autonomous is understandable which i respect and is granted by spanish constitution i believe, but independence thats a nationalistic & idealistic way to declare yourself or a nation. Nationalism will only lead to a bloody end as history has shown.
SolidTube911 1 year ago
@SolidTube911 If Catalonia wants to declare independence, there will be lots of other places that will be interested, but is not about interest, its about if they are able to get enough democracy to get the independence, and if it happends, its up on every one. You can search about Quebec and Groendland, and many more that they have the right to vote for it. Its a right and it should be applyed, but I can wait till 4-8 years and we will get an overwhelming majority. Patience is better!
mailhoax 1 year ago
@mailhoax secondly Logicly speaking it would make sense stoping a breakaway of an autonomous region for the greater good of the whole country. Stoping nationalist before it starts a wave of conflicts that results in a civil war before it has an opportunity to grow. Keeping a lid on leftist is also a good idea as shown quite reasontly they have become very powerful in europe. Just like george bush said "death of a few means survivor of many".
I hope u understans what im getting at here.
SolidTube911 1 year ago
@mailhoax Finaly about football as we in UK are big fans of it & invented it. I was only making a reference to catalan & spanish common culture. The spanish league dubbed la liga or primare league is prob the biggest league in the world. If catalan became independent it wouldnt have the level of competition & level of football would decrease so much that barcelona would become insignificant in europe. Fc Barcelon is a symbol of catalania pride right? prob the biggest thing coming from catalania.
SolidTube911 1 year ago
@SolidTube911 I think is not serious speak about soccer when Im speaking about a democracy and freedom. Barça in the past was called "Catalonia" but it was banned and is still banned at this days. We would continue with the same good soccer team. In fact Guardiola and many people from Barça are independentists.
mailhoax 1 year ago
es una hobra maestra
thehackmaster2 2 years ago
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kronnoscadao 2 years ago
Assista o Vídeo Abaixo, Muito Bom !
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brunonozferaz 2 years ago
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gabyanefd 2 years ago
dios mio menos mal que sagrada familia se escribe igual en castellano que en catalán porque la que se armaria..xD
mirallnadal 2 years ago 2
de fet, hi ha una diferència: en català s'escriu amb accent (famÍlia), que en castella va sense
fcbmartinso 2 years ago
Catalonia es cataluña, una comunidad autónoma de españa como otras 16 más, con sus particularidades.
Pennylane74 2 years ago
@Pennylane74
Gaudí wanted the independence of Catalonia and he used his simbology everywhere to prove it.
Sagrada família:
-The catalan flag is the 4 bars on the 4 towers and "castellers" are the towers.
mailhoax 1 year ago
Of course not, It takes a lot for me to deliberately insult somebody... It's just the fact you don't attempt in the slightest to understand the wishes of that colony (catalonia), instead, you seem to be quite protective of the things your (I think) people (spaniards) achieved in the past by killing. :/ and on top of that you talk the people of that colony into declaring themselves as Spaniards... -_-
MrQuELcOm 2 years ago
but the thing is if you go to any province or region in any part of the world there will be some which will constantly want independance eg Scotland, Galicia, Tibet, Northern Ireland, Gaza, South Ossetia, Gibraltar, Montserrat, Falkland Islands. And then you've got Catalonia!
I'm not this kind of weird person who's overly patriotic for Spain. I just don't understand why Catalonia should be any different to the regions i listed above.
carlongski 2 years ago
If every country simply gave in to the wishes of these regions, we would live in a world which would be much more complicated than it is already as there would be more governments which means more laws, more arguments and eventually more wars. It's not as if Spain gives no rights to Catalonia - it gives many rights to the region!
It's simply people like 4banderas who have to disrupt the peace that is present in Catalonia at the moment.
carlongski 2 years ago
I understand what you are saying Carlonski, and yes, it would be very nice to live in a countryless planet, at the end of the day, barriers are there 'cos of all the bureoucracy. Catalonia is a region where people live in armony, respecting each others language choices, at least that is what I saw. You have the right to express yourself in Catalan or Spanish.
MrQuELcOm 2 years ago
What I strongly frown upon are those who force their language (spanish) and spanish culture onto others in Catalonia. There's only one country (andorra) and one "region", Catalonia, where I can learn Catalan and its culture. There are many countries where I can easily learn Spanish and their cultures. So why supress Catalonia? Why try to increase the learning hours of Spanish in Catalonia when I would have no interest in the language/culture?
MrQuELcOm 2 years ago 3
carlongski, go back to Spain darling...
MrQuELcOm 2 years ago
is that an insult? :S i haven't said anything bad have i?
carlongski 2 years ago
CATALONIA IS NOT SPAIN!!
Freedom for Catalan Countries!! ||*||
4banderes 2 years ago
Catalonia is an autonomous community in the kingdom of spain. IT IS SPAIN and should be proud to call itself Spain. If every single region behaved like catalonia, there would be no peace in the world. Catalonia has always been a part of Spain for the last 1000 years so why should it cahnge now?
carlongski 2 years ago
Catalonia only 300 years ago as part of the Spanish State. The State has tried to Catalonia as a conquered territory in inferiority. Catalonia has to be free again and I will '. Spanish State, Fascist State!
4banderes 2 years ago
i can tell you're not english because that whole paragraph makes no sense. It's sad to see people like you who can't be proud of their own identity which in your case is spanish.
carlongski 2 years ago
I am Catalan, not Spanish. What is sad is to see people like you who defend the Spanish imperialism, his arrogance and his fascism. Freedom for people is peace and freedom for humanity.
4banderes 2 years ago
no you are spanish. your identity is spanish therefore you are spanish. "freedom for people" are you in chains or something?? for goodness sake..spain enforces no laws on you in which you cannot do a certain thing. In effect, it is the Catalan "government" which enforces laws which give fines if catalan is not spoken. If you want your so called "freedom for people" you ought to be going to the SPANISH government. He ido a Barcelona...me gusto mucho :D
carlongski 2 years ago
no you are spanish. your identity is spanish therefore you are spanish
Estas muy equivocado.
oldersorders 2 years ago
How could that be? Spain is not even 300 years old.
llumapi 2 years ago
España como estado centralizado tiene 300 años, pero como sentimiento tiene más siglos
mirallnadal 2 years ago
@mirallnadal felicidades.. tienes algo que comentar respecto de esta magnífica edificación que de eso trata el vídeo?
DocStrange0123 1 year ago
@DocStrange0123 envia el mismo mensaje al resto de comentarios..
mirallnadal 1 year ago
@mirallnadal especifica
DocStrange0123 1 year ago
@DocStrange0123 me referia a que ese mensaje que me has enviado se lo envies al resto de la gente que yo no soy el único que se ha puesto a hablar de política
mirallnadal 1 year ago
@mirallnadal ya lo he hecho y si no en este específicamente en otros que tampoco tienen que ver con política. ¿Preguntas?
DocStrange0123 1 year ago
LOL
kalashnikovIII 2 years ago
these videos rule ,man the state of time warner cable and alot of popular tv out there blows! these days
ShadowNightClaw3000 2 years ago
hallo het is in het echt nog veel indrukwekkend johanna
johanna794 2 years ago
OMG!!!!!!!
Beautiful and original
kittypurrys 2 years ago
INDEPENDENCE FOR CATALONIA!
gabyanefd 2 years ago
i was there :) this year
Ruka22ed 2 years ago
lo visite hace 22 anos y todavia sigue en contruccion porque?
surcosimon 2 years ago
porque solo é construida con el diñero dels habitantes de Barcelona , e va continuar asi hasta que sea concluida .. muchos años van a passar probalbelmente mas de 20 años
Ruka22ed 2 years ago
FREE THE CATALAN NATION!
CatalanRepublic 2 years ago
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CatalanRepublic 2 years ago 2
muy buen ideo siiii
youjosem 2 years ago
it is monumental I visit it and I was very socked...:D
n3bunatyku 2 years ago
Goodness...
sidewwinder 2 years ago 2
superb
adkeytube 2 years ago 3