Isn't the crappy assistant being exposed to the monkey as well, therefore she's also his "mom". He didn't wanna let her go! What a waste of an animals sanity and life. Pointless shit.
@georgiaemilyx3 I toally agree and it doesn;'t even prove anything, in my psychology essay im doing at the moment this was meant to prove a certian theory wrong, as far as I'm concerned its like asking someone if they want to sleep on a piece of metal or a soft piece of cloth.
Thiis not only helped Psychology, iit also greatly benefiited Chiild Development Educatiion... However, the experiiment iitself, no matter how benefiiciial stiill came at a great priice... : ( Good thiing iit was just a one tiime experiiment that wiill hopefully never be repeated agaiin... Those poor, poor monkey's, so great was theiir sacrofiice...
Because this helped change the idea of baby care AND ethics in experiments, this is a great thing. This wasn't our time (unless some grannies are commenting), so we don't truly understand the mentality he was fighting by proving a baby needs security.
Of course the babies grow up to be antisocial, depressed and actually unable to mate. I think this showed a good idea about mental illness in mothers too. They were completely unable to care for their offspring.
I have such a hard time watching things like this. As a psych major, I understand everything it's done for developmental psychology. As an animal lover, it just kills me to see those poor little monkeys.
the monkey's didnt become well adjusted aduts, they became very mean when they became parents because they didnt lean how to mother their babies! so sad :(
As what may be small comfort to some people who find this video difficult, Harlow was well aware of the psychological cruelty of his experiments. They had one particular device, a sensory deprivation chamber, that is/was known around the lab as "the pit of ultimate despair" or something quite like that. No, simply acknowledging it doesn't make it "better" but he did desensitize his subjects after the experiments to help them develop normally.
This experiment was absolutely fascinating! Though its sad about the monkey's... But the results revolutionized the field of psychology. I think that this was one of the most influential and most beneficial experiment in the field of psychology.
Man I'd love to throw these damm things on the floor and stomp on them, but killing them slow is still the best.
When she put the one in the cage, I would have loved to throw it as hard as I could.
Anyone who has worked with these vermin , if their honest, hate them just as much. I got one now that I am keeping in a metal box, no light, nothing except noise, when I bang the box, when it's sleeping, and I have a dump to throw the food and water in, and a mesh to take the shit out.
These experiments, though completely cruel, did prevent behaviorists from creating generations of socially and mentally stunted children. Wouldn't you perform such an experiment if it meant that you could dispute the claim that "mother's love [touch] spreads psychological disturbance and mental retardation"?
@eyexXbitxXyouxX So its okay if we make animals suffer because humans can gain benefits from peforming cruel experiments or put them through a stressful period...keep it mind alot of the time these apes cannot simply be restored to how they once were.
Yeah we gain alot from being human, because we have the choice and ability, these animals do not and thats where I have my issue with what you say.
Thankfully we have alternatives, i hope more people use them.
@eyexXbitxXyouxX Are you meaning to suggest that if we didn't use monkeys and abuse them...we would have turned on human beings? Do you mean to say the forbidden experiment as it is called, since there are moral and ethical issues when we apply these experiments to humans...nevermind what it does to animals, we would never harm our own kids, lets abuse an apes!
Read more about Harlow, he was a damaged individual acting out his internal struggle on his subjects.
i take psychology A-level, and as sad as this video is, this research was very valuable. also occasional, we find feral, abused or isolated children, as it's so rare psychologists spend more time running experiments on how to help the, rather than helping them. they have used the isolated monkey's to look for way's to help over come isolation, for the poor children who have been through this themselves. anyway, experiments like this are much less abusive today.
@RandomWierdAwesome94 How is this research valuable? Its not. Why? Because critics like Deborah Blum have called the results "common sense results". That monkeys, very social animals in nature, when placed in isolation emerge badly damaged, and that some recover and some do not. You can apply the same common sense logic to humans who are very social by nature too, you don't need to abuse monkeys to figure that out.
@Missrainbowmuffin yes but how do you know exactly what happens? how do know what effects social isolation have? and if it happens to a human how are we suppose to know how to help them? up until this research everyone believed that babies love there mum's for food and cuddling was bad. this shows primates prefer comfort over food and that we must comfort babies. at the time this wasn't common sense. he got an award for this research, critics just insult for money...
@RandomWierdAwesome94 Then you are denying what amazing individuals like Jane Goodall and Dianne Fossey have done, without resorting to abuse. I am simply saying for the results of this research, you never needed to even abuse a single being. Look into the results of Jane and Dianne, among others ofcourse, who found out ALOT more by observing apes in their natural envrionment, than keeping them in isolation. Either one of those intellects would already know what would happen to an ape confined
@RandomWierdAwesome94 Oh and as for answering the why question or the comfort vs food, well...saying "cuddling is bad" is showing no evidence of observation and study into the benefits of social contact. Compare offspring who have constant contact with their mothers, aunts, and so forth...to those that do not, the damage is huge on the young's mentality, that is social!!!
Yeah it kind of is common sense when you look into it enough, they insult because it is unecessary cruelty you silly person
@RandomWierdAwesome94 Oh one more thing...actually no this has nothing to do with common sense. It is more just our thoughts, values and beliefs changing I think, along with knowledge too (but how do we even define that!!! gah!) Anyways, there are reasons why Harlow did it this way, I am just saying it wasn't necessary or a good choice, I wouldn't back him, more just feel truly bad for the tormented guy. It is easy to sit back now and think, yeah...we needed to be cruel to be where we are now
i just never understood what science was trying to prove by depriving these monkeys of the necessary nurture that every creature. The information that people were trying to get from these experiments weren't worth a monkey's life to me, obviously a creature without a mother or any contact with a living thing is going to go insane and psychotic, man needs to stop playing god for a moment. It's sad that Harlows depressing life was taken out on such innocent animals
@ChocolateSkater88 Your assertions are exactly why we can't test on humans-- too unpredictably stupid. You're absolutely torn between ideals causing an inconsistency in behavior. Of course you say now, after the experiment conducted, that a baby would have adverse behavior when having a mother surrogate. 20/20 Hindsight.
I like psychology, and know that we can understand things better by testing them on animals, but I think it's wrong. The way that baby monkey was trying to clinge on that girl, was heart breaking.
At the very end it says that they can grow into normal adult monkeys if they are put with other young, but they weren't. Check out this one entitled, Harlows Monkeys posted by Profbofeceand you will see one poor little adult monkey that was part of the experiment as an infant. You will see him pacing in circles and clutching his head and the sheer terror when faced with other adult monkeys. This experiment was so unethical. It was soul crushing to watch.
It says at the end of this video that if after this experiment they are put back with other monkeys they will grow up fine, but this did not happen all the time, one video I saw showed how anti social one of these monkeys could become after experiments like these. After that, they would never be able to return to their natural habitat and survive. It really is upsetting that he was allowed to do these experiments :(
this video is very hard to watch. The baby monkeys had to spend up to 22 hours a day in them cages. They grew up not knowing a thing about how to live. I take psychology for my gcse's and have to watch all sorts of things like this and it is very hard to watch :(
this experiment was unethical... and now a days i dont think it would be aloud!
everybodys comments show their stupidity, human mothers are raising their kids just like this monkey was raised. In isolation and without security and empathy. You cannot form an secure attachment to mothers that are like that. Many many people are raised worse than this monkey.
you got to be kidding, white families arent any different than black families. and i dont think there are that many black families in irag or afghanistan so what your sayings is invalid.
Hey, you know what's really cruel, a leopard ripping a chimp in half. Stop complaining about how cruel animal experiments are, science has saved a countless number of human and animal lives from "cruel" research.
This experiment and others that Harlow created are still being done at the University of Washington in Seattle. Despite evidence that these experiments are cruel and prove nothing of value the University of Washington still spends tax payer money on them. Outrageous!!!
If only you knew just how much knowledge about infant attachment theories and comfort development was learned from this experiment!!!! The ethical rules around psychology experiments as changed. You cannot call this Cruel.!
No, this study did not provide any insight with regards to depression. It has to do with mother and child attachment development. Not individual mental states.
If you are affected by this video, it should anger the hell out of you that gorillas, chimpanzees, bonobos, orangutans, etc. are being pushed to extinction by humans.
pretty much, harlow went slightly mad, and ended up hanging the monkeys upside down in barrels for months on end with no visible hypothesis. he just was cruel to the animals for no reason.
heart breaking:-( those poor little monkeys and the way he/she tried to cling to the lady when she was putting him in the cage.Found it hard to watch.
hey, at least they weren't have their heads cut open without anesthesia at which point they have electrodes manually inserted into their brain like many modern monkeys!
@essi61 You do realize these experiments were groundbreaking in the study of human development? I'm sure that people like you would rather society not progress so we can all live in your bullshit care bear fantasyland.
i hate this experiment.. it actually upsets me that little monkeys would ever be treated like this. Harlow should be ashamed of himself.. he wouldn't have done it if they were human babies.. what's the difference?
The monkeys that were tested with the surrogate mothers developed autistic-like features. They rocked back and forth and would harm themselves. One of the monkeys even chewed off its hand. They were really antisocial also.
Some were re-introduced to monkeys raised with normal mothers, and their behavior was observed.
Dr Harlow also impregnated some female monkeys raised this way, with horrific results. The female monkeys, having no mothers of their own, often abandoned their babies, killed them or maimed them.
all you ignorant people who say its unethical and crap like that are kinding yourself do you know the countless of medicines tested on animals that have saved humans if you want you want to be a aniaml activist dont use medicine or anything derived from tested animals i'd like to see how you would live when you get a cold
Ok so the advances in medical science are significantly helped through animal testing, and I'm not denying that a lot of lives have been saved, but at the same time it is cruel what happens to these creatures. Almost all animals are killed after testing. I had to do a presentation on this at grammar school, it's hard to argue from either side really.
Actually, back in the day, no one thought that comfort/touch was one of the reasons of attachment. It was said that hunger was what caused infants to attach.
One thing you all need to know about Harlow was he used descriptive terms alot, like the "pit of despair" and the "rape rack" to describe his inventions too, or the different devices used. The pit of despair was the inverted pyramid, and Harlow himself said this was devised this way because "that's how it feels when you are depressed". The rape rack was a means of tying female monkeys into the typical mating position for forced procreation. This man suffered depression, his wife died in 1970s
The experiment was to test whether attachment was a derivative of the need for food, or the need for comfort. The monkey's always went for comfort, showing that primates (including humans) are attached to their mother/parental figure because of their protection and not because they provide them with food. Although the experiments are awful and it's horrible how these poor things were psychologically damaged, it provided some important insight to the human condition.
@beccadray infants dont use attachments as a form of comfort all the time, the adult is also used as a 'safe base' for things such as security, not just comfort., the monkeys were unable to form an attachment as they had no one to form with, and they have missed the 'critical period' according to Lorenz, which is the 32 hours given to allow an animal to form an attachment, if that hasn't happened then the baby animal will not be able to form one and will therefore cling to anyone and anything.
this is one of the most disturbing things ive seen in awhile. These kind of test are cruel and should never happen. This is torturing innocent creatures by being caged alone away from their mothers. What kind of asshole what do that
i don't see why the monkeys would choose the wire doll over the orange furry doll. they already associated the orange one with comfort and nourishment. they were conditioned to do so.
They only chose the wire doll for nourishment, and they were only conditioned to do that. Clinging to the orange doll, they did this on their own intinctive needs of "comfort and security" .. it is sad :(
Yes they did, as far as I know, it was hard to reintroduce these monkeys to being with other monkeys, and most of them had to be put down. Sth along those lines... really sad.
some killed their own babies when forcibly impregnated (they did not know how to mate). they would also chew off their fingers and bear autistic features. one monkey chewed off it's entire hand.
Why does it take an expensive lab experiment and poor little baby monkeys to prove that a baby who is hungry will go to whatever to eat if it's there? Are we that stupid?
Poor little darlings and poor mammas who had to give up their babies.
All of life is so precious and humans just don't get it. I guess we are just that stupid.
I fail to see the point, yes. I say do not use animals to test anything which will harm them in any way period. To even begin is to cause more sadness in this world. Sorry if I miss the point.
Harlow's work helped the understanding of child development. It help change how orphanages, adoption agencies, and child care providers approached the care of children.
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I hate that all the comments that talk of Harlow's cruelty get voted down. I mean, I'm not a PETA nut, but you don't have to be one to see that this is wrong. One of Harlow's own students said that he 'kept this going to the point where it was clear to many people that the work was really violating ordinary sensibilities, that anybody with respect for life or people would find this offensive' (Blum, Deborah. The Monkey Wars)
This is so cruel. The worst part is, I don't understand how that nurse could just let the monkey go, even when it ran back to her; clinging her. Yeah, okay maybe "in the name of science" it was a good idea but seriously.. Unnecessary things happened. When the Harlow's monkeys had offspring of their own, they would then end up abusing their own children because of lack of knowledge and understanding of how to care for a child. In most cases, they'd throw their kid across the room and they'd die.
these monkeys need a real home, this is awful, any you selfish bitches should be disgusted with yourselves, i hope your parents throw you on the streets and you can live in a crate and have to cuddle to stupid grass doll for comfort. this is AWFUL and SO INHUMANE, fuck you mean BUT HEADS,
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Well, the only animals i like are the ones i can shoot and eat. The rest of them, including monkeys, should just be donated to science. Screw off PETA!
I can't believe people actually care about this stuff. Everybody posts crying about this being cruel. I watched this only because i'm doing a school project and i really don't see why people care about some stupid monkeys.
because monkeys and other animals, not just people, are capable of suffering. i suppose some people don't care about their suffering, maybe because they only see other animals as renewable resources to people?
Harlow was a crazy f***, these monkeys were damaged beyond repair, some would commit suicide by biting off their own flesh. You don't need cruelty like this to know basic things like children need comfort, its wrong on all levels.
It's sad to know that there are children who do not get the attachment experience they require. They grow up to lack the ability to form healthy relationships with peers, spouses, and offspring.
@LadyKush89@LadyKush89 Harlow was highly condemed for most of his experiments on animals. We learnt many things about attachment but it came at this awful cost :/ But this experiment is heven compared to an another expeiment he did called the "Pit Of Despair" In which he attempted to replicate clinical depression in monkeys :/ His experiments were highly condemed and still are as being some of the most unethical studys into psychcology ever done.
I am disgusted by this experiment. I don't feel it right to take away a baby monkey from its real mother to trick to believe a stuffed animal is its mother.
But monkey babies have just as much right to life as human children do. As a species, humans are vey selfish; we always think we reign supreme and others are 'just animals'. Well, that's just not fair, we should treat all creatures on this earth the way we want to be treated.
we've still learnt alot of things about privation from this study that has helped thousands of children who have been deprived of a primary caregiver so if you ask me the ends justify the means
(continued below) I don't think it required an experiment or a "theory" to determine that the monkey will want comfort and food. Did they expect him to just hang around on the cold, steel-wire monkey once he got his food? Its like having a walk-in freezer with a sandwich in it and a warm bed in the next room. Obviously, you're just going to get the sandwich and walk to comfort.
I just studied this example for a psychology class, and I have to say, this experiment is mere common sense. First, the monkey wants food AND comfort, naturally. In the larger cage the monkey clings to the soft mother for comfort, but the narrator says when the monkey became hungry he would go over to the wire mother for food. After, he would go back to the soft mother. Somehow, this "supports" a theory that comfort and warmth are on an equal level. (continued above)
well as you can see the little monkey is sucking his thumb which is a sign of trying to comfort himself so obv he is not very happy. I feel so sorry for the monkeys.
For those interested in human attachment theories got to say the human interpretation put on the results of these experiments by the narrator is a little out outdated. Modern research shows that small children do not necessarily seek out 'food' or 'security' but respond to the caregiver who is most 'sensitive' to their needs. This maybe the mother or father.
Cruel
KoolDude576 5 days ago
Isn't the crappy assistant being exposed to the monkey as well, therefore she's also his "mom". He didn't wanna let her go! What a waste of an animals sanity and life. Pointless shit.
hellokitty4me 6 days ago
ID TAKE A HAMMER TO ITS SKULL
MrAtianaB 1 month ago
This experiment may have helped the psychological world bla bla but so many ethical guidelines were broken. Absolute cruelty.
georgiaemilyx3 1 month ago 3
@georgiaemilyx3 I toally agree and it doesn;'t even prove anything, in my psychology essay im doing at the moment this was meant to prove a certian theory wrong, as far as I'm concerned its like asking someone if they want to sleep on a piece of metal or a soft piece of cloth.
Ghost572 2 weeks ago
@georgiaemilyx3 exactly, the experiment with little albert is a little worse off though! =\
Just0rdinary 2 weeks ago
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0ver9kay 1 month ago
sickening
blindspy 2 months ago
Thiis not only helped Psychology, iit also greatly benefiited Chiild Development Educatiion... However, the experiiment iitself, no matter how benefiiciial stiill came at a great priice... : ( Good thiing iit was just a one tiime experiiment that wiill hopefully never be repeated agaiin... Those poor, poor monkey's, so great was theiir sacrofiice...
Bulma 2 months ago
@Bulma What's up with the double i's??
poshtwat15 2 months ago
Because this was useful.
Amylouisehill 3 months ago
I don't think its right to take the baby monkeys away from their mothers!!
JKMarcel 3 months ago
So messed up, this experiment is disgusting.
Varmdeft 3 months ago
@Varmdeft I find it hilarious
cay330isback 2 months ago
awwwwwwwwwwww
TheDragonCael 4 months ago
Because this helped change the idea of baby care AND ethics in experiments, this is a great thing. This wasn't our time (unless some grannies are commenting), so we don't truly understand the mentality he was fighting by proving a baby needs security.
Of course the babies grow up to be antisocial, depressed and actually unable to mate. I think this showed a good idea about mental illness in mothers too. They were completely unable to care for their offspring.
HijabiHajra 4 months ago
Have to research this for Psych class, it's so sad. The poor little monkey :(
N3RDYG0GGLES 4 months ago
@N3RDYG0GGLES Please don't become a psychologist. It's people like you who impede beneficial research and embrace quack science.
mwells219 3 months ago
@mwells219 Oh don't be silly! I'm just taking it at A level - I actually want to be an author or manga artist or something awesome
N3RDYG0GGLES 3 months ago
heart breaker :(
Gallaf89 4 months ago
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Gallaf89 4 months ago
I have such a hard time watching things like this. As a psych major, I understand everything it's done for developmental psychology. As an animal lover, it just kills me to see those poor little monkeys.
aaronacrabtree 5 months ago
@aaronacrabtree I thought it was funny & sad at the same time lol
ThumbOfMeganFox 4 months ago
Is Rod Serling narrating?
Indeed skullface, the behaviourist theorists believed that food acted as a reinforcer and that was the source of attachment.
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can sombody help me please? is this "classical" or "operant" conditioning? thanks
arle0127 7 months ago
the monkey's didnt become well adjusted aduts, they became very mean when they became parents because they didnt lean how to mother their babies! so sad :(
tyryryrrr 7 months ago
It's amazing how something so little can have a devastating effect if it's denied
3909clancy 7 months ago
awwww
scrfrk1116 9 months ago
She totally left the gate open for him lol
ohYEAH629 9 months ago
as bad as this may be, remember there is some stuff out there that is a LOT worse - and not for science's sake either...
demolitia98 9 months ago
As what may be small comfort to some people who find this video difficult, Harlow was well aware of the psychological cruelty of his experiments. They had one particular device, a sensory deprivation chamber, that is/was known around the lab as "the pit of ultimate despair" or something quite like that. No, simply acknowledging it doesn't make it "better" but he did desensitize his subjects after the experiments to help them develop normally.
EpicureMammon 9 months ago
this is sad =(
ldavinson 10 months ago
this was so hard to watch
karma2x180 10 months ago
aaww the way that monkey kept sucking his thumb... heartbreaking.
captainoffendo 10 months ago
This is amazing. Hard to watch the poor monkey, but its needed to learn. its amazing that we have come this far.
Patrice277 11 months ago
This experiment was absolutely fascinating! Though its sad about the monkey's... But the results revolutionized the field of psychology. I think that this was one of the most influential and most beneficial experiment in the field of psychology.
But those poor monkey's...
sarsfieldusmc 11 months ago 6
@sarsfieldusmc I agree
KaydeeMayte 3 days ago
This is very cruel and inhumane science. Science could be conducted while respecting the basic rights of animals!
hawasawayahawa 11 months ago
I know it's a study but that's mean =(
karenluv310 11 months ago 3
poor monkey... no mom
mikerot91 11 months ago
this makes me cry......
cristinasilvia22 11 months ago
Thumb up if you're from PSYC 1200
kelvin183 11 months ago 11
@kelvin183 Not actually general psych but child psych for us.
5Irishsun30 3 months ago
this is so cruel i cant bear to watch this :(
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Man I'd love to throw these damm things on the floor and stomp on them, but killing them slow is still the best.
When she put the one in the cage, I would have loved to throw it as hard as I could.
Anyone who has worked with these vermin , if their honest, hate them just as much. I got one now that I am keeping in a metal box, no light, nothing except noise, when I bang the box, when it's sleeping, and I have a dump to throw the food and water in, and a mesh to take the shit out.
Ihatemonkeys666 1 year ago
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@Ihatemonkeys666 You are one sick individual
aprt23 1 year ago
@Ihatemonkeys666 what is wrong with you...
mbsimmer 1 year ago
@Ihatemonkeys666 i hope for the worlds sake that this comment was designed to shock, and that you are really a human being.
kinkyshamone 1 year ago
Man I'd love to throw these damm things on the floor and stomp on them, but killing them slow is still the best.
Ihatemonkeys666 1 year ago
@Ihatemonkeys666 god.you are fucking disgusting.maybe one day you will learn to use your horrible little brain.sick ass...
bigpervy 11 months ago
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junkintrunk55 1 year ago
These experiments, though completely cruel, did prevent behaviorists from creating generations of socially and mentally stunted children. Wouldn't you perform such an experiment if it meant that you could dispute the claim that "mother's love [touch] spreads psychological disturbance and mental retardation"?
eyexXbitxXyouxX 1 year ago
@eyexXbitxXyouxX
true.. sacrifices must be made
larry89 1 year ago
@eyexXbitxXyouxX So its okay if we make animals suffer because humans can gain benefits from peforming cruel experiments or put them through a stressful period...keep it mind alot of the time these apes cannot simply be restored to how they once were.
Yeah we gain alot from being human, because we have the choice and ability, these animals do not and thats where I have my issue with what you say.
Thankfully we have alternatives, i hope more people use them.
Missrainbowmuffin 1 year ago
@eyexXbitxXyouxX Are you meaning to suggest that if we didn't use monkeys and abuse them...we would have turned on human beings? Do you mean to say the forbidden experiment as it is called, since there are moral and ethical issues when we apply these experiments to humans...nevermind what it does to animals, we would never harm our own kids, lets abuse an apes!
Read more about Harlow, he was a damaged individual acting out his internal struggle on his subjects.
Missrainbowmuffin 1 year ago
Its brilliant.It shows how depravation causes permenant damage
3909clancy 1 year ago
those poor babies all they want is a mother to hold them and protect them
marfalove 1 year ago
i take psychology A-level, and as sad as this video is, this research was very valuable. also occasional, we find feral, abused or isolated children, as it's so rare psychologists spend more time running experiments on how to help the, rather than helping them. they have used the isolated monkey's to look for way's to help over come isolation, for the poor children who have been through this themselves. anyway, experiments like this are much less abusive today.
RandomWierdAwesome94 1 year ago
@RandomWierdAwesome94 How is this research valuable? Its not. Why? Because critics like Deborah Blum have called the results "common sense results". That monkeys, very social animals in nature, when placed in isolation emerge badly damaged, and that some recover and some do not. You can apply the same common sense logic to humans who are very social by nature too, you don't need to abuse monkeys to figure that out.
Missrainbowmuffin 1 year ago
@Missrainbowmuffin yes but how do you know exactly what happens? how do know what effects social isolation have? and if it happens to a human how are we suppose to know how to help them? up until this research everyone believed that babies love there mum's for food and cuddling was bad. this shows primates prefer comfort over food and that we must comfort babies. at the time this wasn't common sense. he got an award for this research, critics just insult for money...
RandomWierdAwesome94 1 year ago
@RandomWierdAwesome94 Then you are denying what amazing individuals like Jane Goodall and Dianne Fossey have done, without resorting to abuse. I am simply saying for the results of this research, you never needed to even abuse a single being. Look into the results of Jane and Dianne, among others ofcourse, who found out ALOT more by observing apes in their natural envrionment, than keeping them in isolation. Either one of those intellects would already know what would happen to an ape confined
Missrainbowmuffin 1 year ago
@RandomWierdAwesome94 Oh and as for answering the why question or the comfort vs food, well...saying "cuddling is bad" is showing no evidence of observation and study into the benefits of social contact. Compare offspring who have constant contact with their mothers, aunts, and so forth...to those that do not, the damage is huge on the young's mentality, that is social!!!
Yeah it kind of is common sense when you look into it enough, they insult because it is unecessary cruelty you silly person
Missrainbowmuffin 1 year ago
@RandomWierdAwesome94 Oh one more thing...actually no this has nothing to do with common sense. It is more just our thoughts, values and beliefs changing I think, along with knowledge too (but how do we even define that!!! gah!) Anyways, there are reasons why Harlow did it this way, I am just saying it wasn't necessary or a good choice, I wouldn't back him, more just feel truly bad for the tormented guy. It is easy to sit back now and think, yeah...we needed to be cruel to be where we are now
Missrainbowmuffin 1 year ago
I lol'd
EmperorOfMars 1 year ago
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Disgusting! This is torture!
X1rerunpun 1 year ago
DISGUSTING! THIS IS TORTURE!
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murraydsmith1966 1 year ago
i just never understood what science was trying to prove by depriving these monkeys of the necessary nurture that every creature. The information that people were trying to get from these experiments weren't worth a monkey's life to me, obviously a creature without a mother or any contact with a living thing is going to go insane and psychotic, man needs to stop playing god for a moment. It's sad that Harlows depressing life was taken out on such innocent animals
ChocolateSkater88 1 year ago
@ChocolateSkater88 Your assertions are exactly why we can't test on humans-- too unpredictably stupid. You're absolutely torn between ideals causing an inconsistency in behavior. Of course you say now, after the experiment conducted, that a baby would have adverse behavior when having a mother surrogate. 20/20 Hindsight.
Boxrag 1 year ago
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IxStealthKillZxI 1 year ago
I like psychology, and know that we can understand things better by testing them on animals, but I think it's wrong. The way that baby monkey was trying to clinge on that girl, was heart breaking.
elkku93 1 year ago 2
Poor things
MsJesticals 1 year ago
At the very end it says that they can grow into normal adult monkeys if they are put with other young, but they weren't. Check out this one entitled, Harlows Monkeys posted by Profbofeceand you will see one poor little adult monkey that was part of the experiment as an infant. You will see him pacing in circles and clutching his head and the sheer terror when faced with other adult monkeys. This experiment was so unethical. It was soul crushing to watch.
Nessa908 1 year ago
This experiment was done YEARS ago. This would be found unethical by today's standards. Don't worry guys, this is not being done anymore.
iwaslucid666 1 year ago 6
@iwaslucid666 and we do must worse experiments to them now. All in the name of medical science. :)
And I'm glad, they aren't human and we have benefited greatly as a race from the research.
johncase7777 1 year ago
@iwaslucid666 Indeed it has been banned, we only did it to find out what the out come will be. :D Us humans were so clever :D
poshtwat15 2 months ago
No life form should be taken away from their mother at young for experiments.
You wouldn't like it, so don't do it to someone else.
This question, food or security, is not important enough to ruin several lives of living souls.
Enfocomp 1 year ago
It says at the end of this video that if after this experiment they are put back with other monkeys they will grow up fine, but this did not happen all the time, one video I saw showed how anti social one of these monkeys could become after experiments like these. After that, they would never be able to return to their natural habitat and survive. It really is upsetting that he was allowed to do these experiments :(
chellouisey 1 year ago
i think it's a very interesting study and you hippies need to grow a pair >:D
kissmeimirish111 1 year ago 3
Fooling these monkeys isn't worth learning these informations in my belief. Poor little monkeys without mother.
sshadowman 1 year ago
I think it is disgusting entirely.
I DON'T think that every whim justifies this heartless cruelty.
*** These so called "studies" MUST BE STOPPED ***
And we called - human...
amiram007 1 year ago
this video is very hard to watch. The baby monkeys had to spend up to 22 hours a day in them cages. They grew up not knowing a thing about how to live. I take psychology for my gcse's and have to watch all sorts of things like this and it is very hard to watch :(
this experiment was unethical... and now a days i dont think it would be aloud!
Jenna1171 1 year ago 2
@Jenna1171 allowed, not aloud.
DTH10 1 year ago
everybodys comments show their stupidity, human mothers are raising their kids just like this monkey was raised. In isolation and without security and empathy. You cannot form an secure attachment to mothers that are like that. Many many people are raised worse than this monkey.
Tmoney211 1 year ago
ya... they're called black families in Africa, India, Iraq, Afghanistan... shall I go on?
mcnattmc 1 year ago
you got to be kidding, white families arent any different than black families. and i dont think there are that many black families in irag or afghanistan so what your sayings is invalid.
Tmoney211 1 year ago
OMG! it's soooo f-ing cute! i'm really depressed they did something like that too a poor little monkey
LunaMoon84 1 year ago
Hey, you know what's really cruel, a leopard ripping a chimp in half. Stop complaining about how cruel animal experiments are, science has saved a countless number of human and animal lives from "cruel" research.
TheRealSirNate 1 year ago
Really? He can grow to be a normal adult, raised by an inanimate THING?
I understand the appeal of knowledge, but this isn't even necessary knowledge. Just another sick game by another cold-blooded man.
Ephebiphobe 1 year ago
This experiment and others that Harlow created are still being done at the University of Washington in Seattle. Despite evidence that these experiments are cruel and prove nothing of value the University of Washington still spends tax payer money on them. Outrageous!!!
lardian1 2 years ago
Cruel
vespacurry 2 years ago
If only you knew just how much knowledge about infant attachment theories and comfort development was learned from this experiment!!!! The ethical rules around psychology experiments as changed. You cannot call this Cruel.!
ledzepsarah 1 year ago
It is important to remember the positive effects these experiments had on Psychology though, especially for folks battling deppression.
Sunoco 2 years ago 3
@Sunoco we shouldve just used humans if suffering doesnt matter, right? I mean, it would be more accurate for the sake of psychology.
relic989 2 years ago
No, this study did not provide any insight with regards to depression. It has to do with mother and child attachment development. Not individual mental states.
ledzepsarah 1 year ago
Poor little monkey, that is really sad as fuck, and I normally can't stand animals.
:(
Sunoco 2 years ago 2
those experiments are forbitted now
Potenzi 2 years ago
If you are affected by this video, it should anger the hell out of you that gorillas, chimpanzees, bonobos, orangutans, etc. are being pushed to extinction by humans.
DrSandmann 2 years ago
i hate what this sick guy did to these monkeys in the end...
joeysbitch1 2 years ago
what did he do?
HanMan3000 2 years ago
pretty much, harlow went slightly mad, and ended up hanging the monkeys upside down in barrels for months on end with no visible hypothesis. he just was cruel to the animals for no reason.
joeysbitch1 2 years ago
If that's true than it's fucked up.
HanMan3000 2 years ago
holy shit XD that's amazing
easylifting555 2 years ago
Does anyone know where this footage is from?
deargcass 2 years ago
heart breaking:-( those poor little monkeys and the way he/she tried to cling to the lady when she was putting him in the cage.Found it hard to watch.
essi61 2 years ago 58
@essi61
hey, at least they weren't have their heads cut open without anesthesia at which point they have electrodes manually inserted into their brain like many modern monkeys!
rollingwith24s 11 months ago
@essi61 You do realize these experiments were groundbreaking in the study of human development? I'm sure that people like you would rather society not progress so we can all live in your bullshit care bear fantasyland.
mwells219 3 months ago
i hate this experiment.. it actually upsets me that little monkeys would ever be treated like this. Harlow should be ashamed of himself.. he wouldn't have done it if they were human babies.. what's the difference?
abberbelle 2 years ago 2
babies cant move, THATS the difference, otherwise, he would have used babies, those times were different.
me2u2like 2 years ago
...the same asshole who saved many children from becoming abnormal, because of having enough knowledge to know that instinct is not to be trusted!
jasundaman 2 years ago 2
Harry, these experiment's execution was already bad enough, but did you seriously have to pick such a goddamn cute monkey?!
ragglefraggle09 2 years ago
Aww it sucks its thumb :( Also, dare I ask what happened to the monkeys after the test?!
crazypianolady 2 years ago
The monkeys that were tested with the surrogate mothers developed autistic-like features. They rocked back and forth and would harm themselves. One of the monkeys even chewed off its hand. They were really antisocial also.
skullfacee 2 years ago 3
Actually the monkeys were young enough to be "resocialized" Suprisingly they were given treatment and allowed to socialize when they got older
kleymannie 2 years ago 2
Some were re-introduced to monkeys raised with normal mothers, and their behavior was observed.
Dr Harlow also impregnated some female monkeys raised this way, with horrific results. The female monkeys, having no mothers of their own, often abandoned their babies, killed them or maimed them.
Vogtalicious 2 years ago 2
untimely death, as harlow absolutely despised the monkeys.
ta2joe13 2 years ago 2
all you ignorant people who say its unethical and crap like that are kinding yourself do you know the countless of medicines tested on animals that have saved humans if you want you want to be a aniaml activist dont use medicine or anything derived from tested animals i'd like to see how you would live when you get a cold
openingman 2 years ago
Ok so the advances in medical science are significantly helped through animal testing, and I'm not denying that a lot of lives have been saved, but at the same time it is cruel what happens to these creatures. Almost all animals are killed after testing. I had to do a presentation on this at grammar school, it's hard to argue from either side really.
Gcontrol2007 2 years ago
We don't need to make a video to know that infants use attachment as a form of comfort. It's natural instincts. Very sad.
beccadray 2 years ago 2
Actually, back in the day, no one thought that comfort/touch was one of the reasons of attachment. It was said that hunger was what caused infants to attach.
skullfacee 2 years ago 22
@skullfacee Thats the question they wanted an answer to!
Missrainbowmuffin 1 year ago
One thing you all need to know about Harlow was he used descriptive terms alot, like the "pit of despair" and the "rape rack" to describe his inventions too, or the different devices used. The pit of despair was the inverted pyramid, and Harlow himself said this was devised this way because "that's how it feels when you are depressed". The rape rack was a means of tying female monkeys into the typical mating position for forced procreation. This man suffered depression, his wife died in 1970s
Missrainbowmuffin 1 year ago
The experiment was to test whether attachment was a derivative of the need for food, or the need for comfort. The monkey's always went for comfort, showing that primates (including humans) are attached to their mother/parental figure because of their protection and not because they provide them with food. Although the experiments are awful and it's horrible how these poor things were psychologically damaged, it provided some important insight to the human condition.
o0Theresa0o 2 years ago 3
@beccadray infants dont use attachments as a form of comfort all the time, the adult is also used as a 'safe base' for things such as security, not just comfort., the monkeys were unable to form an attachment as they had no one to form with, and they have missed the 'critical period' according to Lorenz, which is the 32 hours given to allow an animal to form an attachment, if that hasn't happened then the baby animal will not be able to form one and will therefore cling to anyone and anything.
xxxBlondieBoyxxx 1 year ago
this is one of the most disturbing things ive seen in awhile. These kind of test are cruel and should never happen. This is torturing innocent creatures by being caged alone away from their mothers. What kind of asshole what do that
thestarfishhh 2 years ago
the kind of asshole who was running experiments in a time before people cared about what happened to the animals.
dominogirl 2 years ago
i don't see why the monkeys would choose the wire doll over the orange furry doll. they already associated the orange one with comfort and nourishment. they were conditioned to do so.
this video is saddening.
GirlMakesSomeNoise 2 years ago
They only chose the wire doll for nourishment, and they were only conditioned to do that. Clinging to the orange doll, they did this on their own intinctive needs of "comfort and security" .. it is sad :(
Ch1ka 2 years ago
Didn't many of these monkeys go on to be violent and kill other monkeys?
jchipol 2 years ago 3
...no
RobertsonMystery 2 years ago
Yes they did, as far as I know, it was hard to reintroduce these monkeys to being with other monkeys, and most of them had to be put down. Sth along those lines... really sad.
Ch1ka 2 years ago
some killed their own babies when forcibly impregnated (they did not know how to mate). they would also chew off their fingers and bear autistic features. one monkey chewed off it's entire hand.
ambitionsofphoenix 2 years ago
I would have thrown the little snot and slam the door. Feed it very hot pepper sauce.
silliegirl50 2 years ago
really? what's your point?
sopka1985 2 years ago
Solo es un bebe :(
dimajocar 2 years ago
This is cruel.
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rosycarolina 2 years ago
Why does it take an expensive lab experiment and poor little baby monkeys to prove that a baby who is hungry will go to whatever to eat if it's there? Are we that stupid?
Poor little darlings and poor mammas who had to give up their babies.
All of life is so precious and humans just don't get it. I guess we are just that stupid.
FunNotNuts 2 years ago
So you missed the entire point of the experiment...I guess "we" are stupid. Oh well.
myfellowamericans80 2 years ago
you concluded the opposite of what the experiment determined!
briandoom 2 years ago
I fail to see the point, yes. I say do not use animals to test anything which will harm them in any way period. To even begin is to cause more sadness in this world. Sorry if I miss the point.
FunNotNuts 2 years ago
Harlow's work helped the understanding of child development. It help change how orphanages, adoption agencies, and child care providers approached the care of children.
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leetledancergirl 2 years ago
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leetledancergirl 2 years ago
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drhargravesmd 2 years ago
I hate that all the comments that talk of Harlow's cruelty get voted down. I mean, I'm not a PETA nut, but you don't have to be one to see that this is wrong. One of Harlow's own students said that he 'kept this going to the point where it was clear to many people that the work was really violating ordinary sensibilities, that anybody with respect for life or people would find this offensive' (Blum, Deborah. The Monkey Wars)
satchandkirkrule 2 years ago 2
thank you for this post
ggemini93 2 years ago
This is so cruel. The worst part is, I don't understand how that nurse could just let the monkey go, even when it ran back to her; clinging her. Yeah, okay maybe "in the name of science" it was a good idea but seriously.. Unnecessary things happened. When the Harlow's monkeys had offspring of their own, they would then end up abusing their own children because of lack of knowledge and understanding of how to care for a child. In most cases, they'd throw their kid across the room and they'd die.
unknownaphrodisiac 2 years ago
poor thing and poor men..
Amistriotis 2 years ago
these monkeys need a real home, this is awful, any you selfish bitches should be disgusted with yourselves, i hope your parents throw you on the streets and you can live in a crate and have to cuddle to stupid grass doll for comfort. this is AWFUL and SO INHUMANE, fuck you mean BUT HEADS,
go to helllllllll and your probably all gross hicks
allycoco 2 years ago
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Well, the only animals i like are the ones i can shoot and eat. The rest of them, including monkeys, should just be donated to science. Screw off PETA!
GEARS00095584 2 years ago
This was good research and the monkeys were happy and treated well.
chad11950 2 years ago
I can't believe people actually care about this stuff. Everybody posts crying about this being cruel. I watched this only because i'm doing a school project and i really don't see why people care about some stupid monkeys.
GEARS00095584 2 years ago
because monkeys and other animals, not just people, are capable of suffering. i suppose some people don't care about their suffering, maybe because they only see other animals as renewable resources to people?
halighali3 2 years ago
I don't think it's that they don't care about the monkeys. But from what can be learned from them can be used to help others.
Even understanding the monkey's culture and society can be useful in the conservation of their kind.
One thing we do know; the less humans understand something, the more damage we tend to do.
Super8888887 2 years ago
Harlow was a crazy f***, these monkeys were damaged beyond repair, some would commit suicide by biting off their own flesh. You don't need cruelty like this to know basic things like children need comfort, its wrong on all levels.
Questioneverything56 2 years ago 2
It's sad to know that there are children who do not get the attachment experience they require. They grow up to lack the ability to form healthy relationships with peers, spouses, and offspring.
Tubengirl 2 years ago
poor thing
monsweet16 2 years ago 4
im doing this in AS psychology now and memory
monsweet16 2 years ago
This is such a fucking piss off. People disgust me, and make me feel embarrassed to be human.
LadyKush89 2 years ago 18
@LadyKush89 @LadyKush89 Harlow was highly condemed for most of his experiments on animals. We learnt many things about attachment but it came at this awful cost :/ But this experiment is heven compared to an another expeiment he did called the "Pit Of Despair" In which he attempted to replicate clinical depression in monkeys :/ His experiments were highly condemed and still are as being some of the most unethical studys into psychcology ever done.
angryhillbilly1 1 year ago
@LadyKush89 why dont you just kill yourself then?
DTH10 1 year ago
I am disgusted by this experiment. I don't feel it right to take away a baby monkey from its real mother to trick to believe a stuffed animal is its mother.
alsanders90 3 years ago 3
yeah but from this they can treat people who lacked attention as a child what's a few monkeys for that?
AnarchistInTheUK 2 years ago
But monkey babies have just as much right to life as human children do. As a species, humans are vey selfish; we always think we reign supreme and others are 'just animals'. Well, that's just not fair, we should treat all creatures on this earth the way we want to be treated.
patience0791 2 years ago 2
we've still learnt alot of things about privation from this study that has helped thousands of children who have been deprived of a primary caregiver so if you ask me the ends justify the means
AnarchistInTheUK 2 years ago
(continued below) I don't think it required an experiment or a "theory" to determine that the monkey will want comfort and food. Did they expect him to just hang around on the cold, steel-wire monkey once he got his food? Its like having a walk-in freezer with a sandwich in it and a warm bed in the next room. Obviously, you're just going to get the sandwich and walk to comfort.
Wrigley1245 3 years ago
I just studied this example for a psychology class, and I have to say, this experiment is mere common sense. First, the monkey wants food AND comfort, naturally. In the larger cage the monkey clings to the soft mother for comfort, but the narrator says when the monkey became hungry he would go over to the wire mother for food. After, he would go back to the soft mother. Somehow, this "supports" a theory that comfort and warmth are on an equal level. (continued above)
Wrigley1245 3 years ago
well as you can see the little monkey is sucking his thumb which is a sign of trying to comfort himself so obv he is not very happy. I feel so sorry for the monkeys.
sunflower78990 3 years ago
This breaks my heart.
SarahLee1 3 years ago 4
See YouTube video 'Harlow's Rhesus Monkey Experiments and the Attachment Theory'
evenToddlers 3 years ago
All,
For those interested in human attachment theories got to say the human interpretation put on the results of these experiments by the narrator is a little out outdated. Modern research shows that small children do not necessarily seek out 'food' or 'security' but respond to the caregiver who is most 'sensitive' to their needs. This maybe the mother or father.
Kingsley Miller
'even Toddlers Need Fathers'
evenToddlers 3 years ago