@snakens100'maybe he is not American. Do you think a Russian could point out Washington, Idaho, or Colorado on a map? NO! Do they teach us...... What is Russia divided into? Anyway, the united states isn't so easly devided into states everywhere elese.
@IVIU and that is why a lot people outside of the U.S. consider us Americans stupid/ignorant. Study your geography! You should have learned that back in 6th grade....
I love Google! BUT some traditional IT freaks couldn't apprehend this type of technology, I've persuade them to go open source with Servers/Desktops/Laptops/Phones and include Google Apps with the mix! BUT prejudice comes to play!!
Raised in Cheyenne Wyoming, it is good to see that they are Pioneers in providing technology to the State and implementing efficiency. Now living in AZ and running my businesses off of the Google Platform it was by far the best decision thus far.
You guys are making way too much of this. Google doesn't control anything, Wyoming just put all there information on to Google's cloud server, so the state doesn't have to pay for server maintenance.
This has been in the works for a long time, proud to see it cone to fruition as a Wyomingite!! People complaining about not having a choice obviously don't get what this means. We're merely switching from Microsoft-based servers for the state to Google-based. Much better all-around. Will not affect businesses or citizens whatsoever.
"Google has every incentive to mine that data, increasing the likelihood that it will be compromised in some way." if compromised then google loses business. it's such a simple logic. so you could say google has every incentive to protect the data. make sense?
@warwang Sure, Google has a legal and financial incentive to protect the data, but suppose the data IS compromised? Can I count on Google to admit it, and in a timely fashion? Not necessarily; they might not even know it WAS compromised. Many times, you only know if you've been hacked if you're IT team is really good, the hackers are really bad, or the hackers want you know you were hacked. The best hacks are from the inside, usually rogue employees who know the security intimately.
@LambdaKore : if you can't count on google to admit it, somehow you can count on the government IT to admit it? why? and if there is risk that some google rogue employees may hack the system, why you think the government rogue employees won't? and i assume google are much better at defending hacks than any government IT cause the quantity and quality of google's engineers are better than probably most government IT departments, let alone wyoming's, make sense?
@warwang Like I said there is every possibility that a WikiLeaks-like incident or just a run-of-the-mill data breach can occur if the Wyoming government maintains its own networks and databases. Asking Google to manage them doubles the risk of unauthorized access, because two entities now have unlimited access to that data. Double the number of potential rogues, double the number of critical failure points, and increase the likelihood of spreading the blame and ducking the responsibility.
@warwang If you choose to do business with Google and allow them access to your information, then you've accepted the risk for yourself that they may or may not handle it in a way that you'll be comfortable with, and that's between you and them. Google has now been handed access to the information of EVERYONE in Wyoming, whether they wanted Google to have that access or not. I find that very disturbing. Some people don't.
@LambdaKore why can't i thumbs up your comment! But any organization with that much data is just a capable of abusing it. Its got be on a hard-drive some where. Its the that fact that their moto is "Don't be evil" is was scares me. heres a link to help you sleep at night /watch?v=3HvF96LB0i8
@trashfox89 Dunno why you can't give me a thumbs up, but thank you anyways. Look, I'm not trashing Google for the sake of being a dick. I simply think that Wyoming has made a very bad decision; it's a bad decision for some fairly obvious reasons; they hid it away from the people of Wyoming until it was a done deal (which is worrisome); and that Google has a very keen interest in accessing that information (aside from providing vendor services). The whole situation stinks to high hell.
@warwang Personally, I think Google's IT teams are WAY better than the average state or fed IT team, and they still get hacked. That's life in the real world; it's gonna happen. I understand that. But the point I'm trying to get across is that Google is not a dispassionate player in this situation: aside from the contractors fees for providing their services, they WANT access to that information, and they'd love to have it for the other 49 states, as well.
"questionable ethics"? like what? google is the only company that dares to say no to chinese government at the expense of losing one of the largest markets in the world. and what did the US government do on that matter?
Just think of all the individually tailored advertising Google is going to be shooting towards the people whose data they'll now have access to. Think this over again, Wyoming: Google has not proven to be terribly proficient at protecting their networks from infiltration or disruption.
@LambdaKore There are no ads on the paid and Gov Google Apps accounts.
Also, while Google is one of the more attacked by foreign governments, they are the most secure being able to fend off most attacks, react quickly to the ones they can't and protect against future attacks. People trust their security, that's why they use it.
@GabrielBousquet I didn't say the government accounts would be targeted -- I said the people whose data Google will now have access to. Anyone in Wyoming who may have chosen not to do business with Google has now had that choice taken away from them, if they are in any of the databases Google will handle. All it takes is one careless or disgruntled employee, if Google doesn't simply mine the data as a matter of policy, which I really wouldn't put past them.
@LambdaKore Your right! OMG!! Google might get information on people and send them............ an ad AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Run for the streets.
But in all seriousness. There are SOOOOOOO many companies out there that know SOOOOOOO much more about you than Google ever could. But we have come to terms with them, so we look for something else to be scared of.
Google is one of the most responsible (not perfect) tech companies out there and the only ones saying otherwise are paid by Facebook ;-)
@GabrielBousquet One word, dude: WikiLeaks. True, a similar situation could also arise if the state maintained its own networks and databases, and I'm sure Google offered Wyoming a sweetheart deal to get access to the data, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea. Google has demonstrated questionable ethics in censoring accounts and access for the Chinese government, and the citizens of Wyoming apparently had this sprung on them. I'm not looking for perfection, simply honesty and competence.
@LambdaKore WikiLeaks? Really? Do you even know how that entire situation came about? The security on that information was so low that a cook could access it. Google has a very small handful of employees that can access limited information and they are constantly monitored and tracked.
I'm really not sure where you are getting your information from, but most of it is just not true and the rest seems to be speculation. You are drawing a lot of conclusions with very little actual knowledge.
@GabrielBousquet Actually, I was a U.S. Army Network Manager at the time of the WikiLeaks incident, so yeah -- I know what I'm talking about. You'd be surprised how little control some systems and individuals have over the security of your information, and every extra link in the chain is just one more point of failure or compromise. I've seen nothing to suggest that Google has a better grasp on system security than the U.S. government has, and no reason to offer them more access than necessary.
@GabrielBousquet You don't seem to care about the potential -- highly likely potential, in my opinion -- privacy violations Wyoming's decision might cause. Likely, you don't live in Wyoming and won't be affected by it, or you might be a Google employee/stockholder/vendor and will reap some kind of benefit from the deal, or you might just be a statist who sees nothing wrong with anyone and everyone having a peek at your personal information if they can in any way claim it's "for your own good".
@LambdaKore LOL. OK Man, I see where this is going. Go talk on your ham radio with your tin foil hat because the world is out to get YOU!! Nothing is good, everyone is bad and those that don't see fear in everything, are part of the evil.
I thought we were going to have a rational conversation, but I guess not. See ya.
@GabrielBousquet I simply see no reason to offer access to personal information to an agency who has demonstrated questionable ethics, has not demonstrated the level of competence necessary to safeguard that information, and is not likely to be held accountable in any meaningful way for failing to protect that information. Indeed, Google has every incentive to mine that data, increasing the likelihood that it will be compromised in some way.
@GabrielBousquet The problem I see with your point of view is that you seem very comfortable with the fact that many people will have access to your information. It might be necessary in some circumstances, but why invite increasing levels of access for what will likely become decreasing levels of need? The people of Wyoming seriously need to rethink this.
@LambdaKore: if you have some gold, keep it in your home vs. keep it in a safe box in a bank, which is more risky? i am not saying google is as safe as a bank. i am saying one more level of access doesn't always mean more risk.
@warwang It doesn't ALWAYS mean more risk, but increasing levels of access and complexity often DO mean increased risk. I simply do not think Wyoming partnering with Google to handle its data is a wise decision. It doesn't sound like the people of Wyoming were given a choice in the matter, or we would have heard more about this before it was a done deal. Deals done in the dark aren't always in your best interest.
@LambdaKore : "It doesn't sound like the people of Wyoming were given a choice in the matter." you don't mean you think this needs a vote, do you? if that's the case, every resident probably will have thousands of things to vote every year. you vote the government and give them authorities to make many decisions, including many you may not agree. that's just the reality that you have to live with and i don't think there is a better solution.
@warwang Voting on every aspect of every decision to be made in government would be tedious and time-consuming, true, but don't you think the Wyoming state government at least should have said "Hey, here's this idea we came up with. What do you guys think?" and gave the people of Wyoming a chance to be heard before they did it? The fact that they said nothing about it until it was a done deal should raise a few eyebrows.
@warwang There's an old saying, (paraphrasing here) that those who seek power are usually those unqualified to wield it. This is most often true about politicians, but it can also apply to Google in this case. If Google came to you and said "We want to manage all of your personal information. We'll give you a good price, but we get total access in return.", you would probably tell them to go stuff themselves. Someone that hungry for access is probably the LAST person you should give it to.
@warwang The dealership services your car, and they have access to your information and physical access to your car. Someone remodels your house, and they have access to other pieces of your information and physical access to your home. You go the doctor, and he/she has access to still other pieces of your information and physical access to your person. These are all choices that you made for yourself, affecting only you, and that you entered into knowingly and of your own free will.
@Koolkitties Your ISP knows WAY more about you than Google does. And who do you think sets the privacy regulations for the Gov accounts? The government.
If your going to criticize, then come up with a good argument, otherwise you just sound silly.
@snakens100'maybe he is not American. Do you think a Russian could point out Washington, Idaho, or Colorado on a map? NO! Do they teach us...... What is Russia divided into? Anyway, the united states isn't so easly devided into states everywhere elese.
fakemadereal 2 months ago
@IVIU and that is why a lot people outside of the U.S. consider us Americans stupid/ignorant. Study your geography! You should have learned that back in 6th grade....
snakeNS100 2 months ago
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I love Google! BUT some traditional IT freaks couldn't apprehend this type of technology, I've persuade them to go open source with Servers/Desktops/Laptops/Phones and include Google Apps with the mix! BUT prejudice comes to play!!
benghaith 3 months ago
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benghaith 3 months ago
@IIVIU then where r u from?
kcjohndeere 4 months ago
I love Wyoming.
soobwhale 5 months ago
Gran tetons ! I love wyomings beauty i wa stherenlast summa!
nerad1994 5 months ago
wyoming has got to be the most random state in the us lmao
josephhanratty 6 months ago
I've never heard of this state before
llVIU 6 months ago
yet we still cant get a rec center in Cheyenne!
CheyenneCircuit 6 months ago
Raised in Cheyenne Wyoming, it is good to see that they are Pioneers in providing technology to the State and implementing efficiency. Now living in AZ and running my businesses off of the Google Platform it was by far the best decision thus far.
tylormore 8 months ago
Awesome!!
nexplotionday 8 months ago
Interesting
pox98 8 months ago
Hey, I live here. I'm going to Casper next month! :)
OfficialRigby 8 months ago
You guys are making way too much of this. Google doesn't control anything, Wyoming just put all there information on to Google's cloud server, so the state doesn't have to pay for server maintenance.
thethatguy88 8 months ago
This has been in the works for a long time, proud to see it cone to fruition as a Wyomingite!! People complaining about not having a choice obviously don't get what this means. We're merely switching from Microsoft-based servers for the state to Google-based. Much better all-around. Will not affect businesses or citizens whatsoever.
sarasnee7 8 months ago
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"Google has every incentive to mine that data, increasing the likelihood that it will be compromised in some way." if compromised then google loses business. it's such a simple logic. so you could say google has every incentive to protect the data. make sense?
warwang 8 months ago
@warwang Sure, Google has a legal and financial incentive to protect the data, but suppose the data IS compromised? Can I count on Google to admit it, and in a timely fashion? Not necessarily; they might not even know it WAS compromised. Many times, you only know if you've been hacked if you're IT team is really good, the hackers are really bad, or the hackers want you know you were hacked. The best hacks are from the inside, usually rogue employees who know the security intimately.
LambdaKore 8 months ago
@LambdaKore : if you can't count on google to admit it, somehow you can count on the government IT to admit it? why? and if there is risk that some google rogue employees may hack the system, why you think the government rogue employees won't? and i assume google are much better at defending hacks than any government IT cause the quantity and quality of google's engineers are better than probably most government IT departments, let alone wyoming's, make sense?
warwang 8 months ago
@warwang Like I said there is every possibility that a WikiLeaks-like incident or just a run-of-the-mill data breach can occur if the Wyoming government maintains its own networks and databases. Asking Google to manage them doubles the risk of unauthorized access, because two entities now have unlimited access to that data. Double the number of potential rogues, double the number of critical failure points, and increase the likelihood of spreading the blame and ducking the responsibility.
LambdaKore 8 months ago
@warwang If you choose to do business with Google and allow them access to your information, then you've accepted the risk for yourself that they may or may not handle it in a way that you'll be comfortable with, and that's between you and them. Google has now been handed access to the information of EVERYONE in Wyoming, whether they wanted Google to have that access or not. I find that very disturbing. Some people don't.
LambdaKore 8 months ago
@LambdaKore why can't i thumbs up your comment! But any organization with that much data is just a capable of abusing it. Its got be on a hard-drive some where. Its the that fact that their moto is "Don't be evil" is was scares me. heres a link to help you sleep at night /watch?v=3HvF96LB0i8
trashfox89 8 months ago
@trashfox89 Dunno why you can't give me a thumbs up, but thank you anyways. Look, I'm not trashing Google for the sake of being a dick. I simply think that Wyoming has made a very bad decision; it's a bad decision for some fairly obvious reasons; they hid it away from the people of Wyoming until it was a done deal (which is worrisome); and that Google has a very keen interest in accessing that information (aside from providing vendor services). The whole situation stinks to high hell.
LambdaKore 8 months ago
@warwang Personally, I think Google's IT teams are WAY better than the average state or fed IT team, and they still get hacked. That's life in the real world; it's gonna happen. I understand that. But the point I'm trying to get across is that Google is not a dispassionate player in this situation: aside from the contractors fees for providing their services, they WANT access to that information, and they'd love to have it for the other 49 states, as well.
LambdaKore 8 months ago
"questionable ethics"? like what? google is the only company that dares to say no to chinese government at the expense of losing one of the largest markets in the world. and what did the US government do on that matter?
warwang 8 months ago
Just think of all the individually tailored advertising Google is going to be shooting towards the people whose data they'll now have access to. Think this over again, Wyoming: Google has not proven to be terribly proficient at protecting their networks from infiltration or disruption.
LambdaKore 8 months ago
@LambdaKore There are no ads on the paid and Gov Google Apps accounts.
Also, while Google is one of the more attacked by foreign governments, they are the most secure being able to fend off most attacks, react quickly to the ones they can't and protect against future attacks. People trust their security, that's why they use it.
GabrielBousquet 8 months ago
@GabrielBousquet I didn't say the government accounts would be targeted -- I said the people whose data Google will now have access to. Anyone in Wyoming who may have chosen not to do business with Google has now had that choice taken away from them, if they are in any of the databases Google will handle. All it takes is one careless or disgruntled employee, if Google doesn't simply mine the data as a matter of policy, which I really wouldn't put past them.
LambdaKore 8 months ago
@LambdaKore Your right! OMG!! Google might get information on people and send them............ an ad AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Run for the streets.
But in all seriousness. There are SOOOOOOO many companies out there that know SOOOOOOO much more about you than Google ever could. But we have come to terms with them, so we look for something else to be scared of.
Google is one of the most responsible (not perfect) tech companies out there and the only ones saying otherwise are paid by Facebook ;-)
GabrielBousquet 8 months ago
@GabrielBousquet One word, dude: WikiLeaks. True, a similar situation could also arise if the state maintained its own networks and databases, and I'm sure Google offered Wyoming a sweetheart deal to get access to the data, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea. Google has demonstrated questionable ethics in censoring accounts and access for the Chinese government, and the citizens of Wyoming apparently had this sprung on them. I'm not looking for perfection, simply honesty and competence.
LambdaKore 8 months ago
@LambdaKore WikiLeaks? Really? Do you even know how that entire situation came about? The security on that information was so low that a cook could access it. Google has a very small handful of employees that can access limited information and they are constantly monitored and tracked.
I'm really not sure where you are getting your information from, but most of it is just not true and the rest seems to be speculation. You are drawing a lot of conclusions with very little actual knowledge.
GabrielBousquet 8 months ago
@GabrielBousquet Actually, I was a U.S. Army Network Manager at the time of the WikiLeaks incident, so yeah -- I know what I'm talking about. You'd be surprised how little control some systems and individuals have over the security of your information, and every extra link in the chain is just one more point of failure or compromise. I've seen nothing to suggest that Google has a better grasp on system security than the U.S. government has, and no reason to offer them more access than necessary.
LambdaKore 8 months ago
@GabrielBousquet You don't seem to care about the potential -- highly likely potential, in my opinion -- privacy violations Wyoming's decision might cause. Likely, you don't live in Wyoming and won't be affected by it, or you might be a Google employee/stockholder/vendor and will reap some kind of benefit from the deal, or you might just be a statist who sees nothing wrong with anyone and everyone having a peek at your personal information if they can in any way claim it's "for your own good".
LambdaKore 8 months ago
@LambdaKore LOL. OK Man, I see where this is going. Go talk on your ham radio with your tin foil hat because the world is out to get YOU!! Nothing is good, everyone is bad and those that don't see fear in everything, are part of the evil.
I thought we were going to have a rational conversation, but I guess not. See ya.
GabrielBousquet 8 months ago
@GabrielBousquet I simply see no reason to offer access to personal information to an agency who has demonstrated questionable ethics, has not demonstrated the level of competence necessary to safeguard that information, and is not likely to be held accountable in any meaningful way for failing to protect that information. Indeed, Google has every incentive to mine that data, increasing the likelihood that it will be compromised in some way.
LambdaKore 8 months ago
@GabrielBousquet The problem I see with your point of view is that you seem very comfortable with the fact that many people will have access to your information. It might be necessary in some circumstances, but why invite increasing levels of access for what will likely become decreasing levels of need? The people of Wyoming seriously need to rethink this.
LambdaKore 8 months ago
@LambdaKore: if you have some gold, keep it in your home vs. keep it in a safe box in a bank, which is more risky? i am not saying google is as safe as a bank. i am saying one more level of access doesn't always mean more risk.
warwang 8 months ago
@warwang It doesn't ALWAYS mean more risk, but increasing levels of access and complexity often DO mean increased risk. I simply do not think Wyoming partnering with Google to handle its data is a wise decision. It doesn't sound like the people of Wyoming were given a choice in the matter, or we would have heard more about this before it was a done deal. Deals done in the dark aren't always in your best interest.
LambdaKore 8 months ago
@LambdaKore : "It doesn't sound like the people of Wyoming were given a choice in the matter." you don't mean you think this needs a vote, do you? if that's the case, every resident probably will have thousands of things to vote every year. you vote the government and give them authorities to make many decisions, including many you may not agree. that's just the reality that you have to live with and i don't think there is a better solution.
warwang 8 months ago
@warwang Voting on every aspect of every decision to be made in government would be tedious and time-consuming, true, but don't you think the Wyoming state government at least should have said "Hey, here's this idea we came up with. What do you guys think?" and gave the people of Wyoming a chance to be heard before they did it? The fact that they said nothing about it until it was a done deal should raise a few eyebrows.
LambdaKore 8 months ago
@warwang There's an old saying, (paraphrasing here) that those who seek power are usually those unqualified to wield it. This is most often true about politicians, but it can also apply to Google in this case. If Google came to you and said "We want to manage all of your personal information. We'll give you a good price, but we get total access in return.", you would probably tell them to go stuff themselves. Someone that hungry for access is probably the LAST person you should give it to.
LambdaKore 8 months ago
@warwang The dealership services your car, and they have access to your information and physical access to your car. Someone remodels your house, and they have access to other pieces of your information and physical access to your home. You go the doctor, and he/she has access to still other pieces of your information and physical access to your person. These are all choices that you made for yourself, affecting only you, and that you entered into knowingly and of your own free will.
LambdaKore 8 months ago
now google can cheaply have the personal information of an entire government
Koolkitties 8 months ago
@Koolkitties Your ISP knows WAY more about you than Google does. And who do you think sets the privacy regulations for the Gov accounts? The government.
If your going to criticize, then come up with a good argument, otherwise you just sound silly.
GabrielBousquet 8 months ago
wyoming ftw, I need to move there :(
igneousc 8 months ago
Second!
DanyaKarpelevitch123 8 months ago
Of all the Google Apps videos you've made, this is the best-creative video I've seen. Video Team, keep up the good work.
daniellbrinneman 8 months ago