Hitchens v Wilson - Christianity vs Athiesm (11 of 11)

[MrKillianmcelroy]

What a bad ass.

[stratocaster1986able]

Hitch-The destroyer of worlds.

[TheNeatOBurrito]

Hitch DESTROYED him. Not a single good or logical argument made by the Christian

[hawkertruffelsnout]

the Hitch is an intellectual giant

[MOJODEVA]

@MrJamesonStyles - FALSE. You conveniently ignore the atheist atrocities since 1917 to present - <100 years - and an estimated 100 MILLION killed in an effort to extinguish religion and establish official state atheism.

Nobody but you has ever reported the Crusades as killing more than a few thousand - and they were precipitated by the Muslim invasion/ occupation of Jerusalem - not by Christians or Christian nations - and ABSOLUTELY NOT to spread or force Christianity on anyone.

[iamextremelyawesome]

GUYS WUT IF ATHAISTS WENT 2 HAAEVN AND CHRISTIANS WENT 2 H3L?!!?!!!! WTF OMG TAHT WUD B HILARIOS!1!1!1 OMG LOL

[TheTechnomage]

Hitchens in full form...truly brilliant how he exposes the richness of the human past against the feebleness that is the christian worldview. What was their god doing for 98,000+ years?...sitting with his arms folded.

[doctorw2]

wow hitchens really ended on a heavy note i think it stifled wilson.

[eradeziel]

Doug, if people really believed everything was chaos, how would they be able to recognise a miracle?

[GenericGenerator]

Sensational - Hitchens again dominates teh debate with simple logic....

[candacem09]

hitchens kicked wilsons ass! common sense ftw!

[CamAtheist]

these arguments are all shitty. Look Theists need to ask their friend upstairs for a great sign and show up and pull the moon out of their pocket..take that Atheist asshole...fuck if that happens I am there with whoever......

[Emblemz]

#2...therefore christians want to create war instead of avoiding it....i mean....as us human beings....as us being who we are

We have our own will, We have our way to live, We have our own Life!! We dont need a book to tell us how we should live it!!

[Emblemz]

*sigh* why cant christians just leave us alone?!....im sick and tired of these people coming up to me and saying "if you have no faith in christ (the jewish zombie) you are going to burn in hell!! (mystical fantasy place for bad, naughty people)" listen christians!! if you may not know it, but your so called loving "god" or "christ" is nothing but war!! ever heard of stupid ridiculous preists says "DONT TURN AWAY FROM THE DEVIL (could mean anyone or anything) TURN AND FIGHT IT!!" etc.. #1 con..

[MOJODEVA]

*sigh* why can't the atheists (and the ACLU) just leave us alone?!...blah blah

[trident3b]

@MOJODEVA imagine Nazis, Stalinists, and Maoists etc. saying the same supporting their respective dogmas. Because you need it and it needs to stop. Such a remark stems from exactly the same complacency to believe such crap, and worse, base current teachings and threats on people, especially children. The reason is because it is extreme crap and has no place in a modern world. Clearly we will still have to wait for some answers, but we don't need ultra idiotic stories to fill the gaps.

[MOJODEVA]

@trident3b

Trouble with your suggestion is that we we don't have to imagine what atheists (Nazi's, Stalinist, and Maoists, and their ilk) do when they have the chance. THEY MURDER - and - they murder like no other !

For that reason, it's beyond moronic and approaching psychotic, when Atheists - who have set the very HIGH BAR for the DEFINITION of extreme - to even dare accuse ANY religious groups of extremism....!!!!

[trident3b]

@MOJODEVA ..only that they did not murder in the name of Atheism. A few of them happen to be atheists but that had nothng to do with their actions. I reckon you know that too.However mass murders and wars have been conducted, and even declared as such, in the names of respective religions. You must see this? There might be or have been something responsible, but it doesn't rear its head or has left conclusive evidence. However the various religious stories certainly don't convince.

[MOJODEVA]

@trident3b - sounds like personal denial, to me. So let's deal with facts; 20C Socialist regimes that achieved power, were all officially atheist - different times, locations. A FACT. Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro - all officially atheist, allowed only atheists in their parties and positions of power.

That no red "A" branded into the 100 MILLION foreheads of those nurdered (and overwhelmingly religious, BTW) somehow provides support for your claim ? NO WAY. They were killed for atheism.

[trident3b]

@MOJODEVA I really think you'll find yourself very much alone with those ideas. Hitler for e.g. wasn't an atheist, he was catholic and even collaborated with those disgusting Catholics. To my knowledge, and is generally accepted, is that none of the others ever declared their wars or atrocities specifically in the name of atheism. There are no known records to that effect. If you declare something as "the facts" you take a position of arrogance that only 'you know' what is historically correct.

[MOJODEVA]

@trident3b - Hitler, raised in a Catholic home, but never practiced the faith NOR returned to the Church after leaving home, was a socialist and therefore an atheist. Hitler used the churches to accomplish his socialist agenda. He had written plans to eliminate churches after Nazi victory. Research!

And what is this " in the name of " rubbish? 20c socialist regimes were ALL OFFICIALLY atheist and practiced genocide of largely religious people. PLEASE do better than this to be taken seriously.

[trident3b]

@MOJODEVA I maintain that it is a fallacy to assume atheism is the reasoning for all the actions of all bad people mentioned. Their agendas had nothing to do with being atheist. However religion makes no bones about that fact that holy wars should be carried out & people executed for various reasons. There is no atheist doctrine of any kind. Atheism is effectively the non acceptance of those doctrines. As for your comment "was a socialist and therefore an atheist", this really is ridiculous.

[MOJODEVA]

@trident3b - Bad people? They were atheist tyrants. Marx and his earliest adherents were rabidly atheist. Atheism was the official state philosophy of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot. The overwhelming majority of slaughter was against religious persons and done by these officially declared atheists.

Stalin and Lenin stated a clear intent to exterminate religion. But there is no Christian doctrine to kill anyone - period. And certainly Jesus Christ never suggested it. Can't you do any better?

[trident3b]

@MOJODEVA Clearly I can do better. The bible is full of recommendations of executions for certain "sins". Sounds like you are a religious hardliner taking a contrary position as a matter of principle to uphold the religious doctrines at all cost. I use "Bad people" to save space.Please quote your sources regarding "Stalin and Lenin stated a clear intent to exterminate religion" & "The overwhelming majority of slaughter was against religious persons and done by these officially declared atheists"

[MOJODEVA]

@trident3b - Biblical death penallties were ONLY for those under Jewish theocracy for very specific violations of Jewish law. NOT for those outside their society.

AND they were pre-Christian. Again - there is NO Christian dogma or doctrine that commands Christians to kill anyone.

I'll get back to you with ref's on atheism in 20C Marxist socialism . Please be prepared to demonstrate reasonable proof (objective, neutral and preferably educational sources)

[MOJODEVA]

Religion is the opium of the people: this saying of Marx is the cornerstone of the entire ideology of Marxism about religion. All modern religions and churches, all and of every kind of religious organizations are always considered by Marxism as the organs of bourgeois reaction, used for the protection of the exploitation and the stupefaction of the working class. Lenin "About the attitude of the working party toward the religion.". Collected works, v. 17, p.41. Retrieved 2006-09-09.

[MOJODEVA]

Atheism was propagated through schools, communist organizations (such as the Young Pioneer Organization), and the media. "Staggerers Unstaggered". Time magazine. December 7, 1931. Retrieved 2007-10-02.

[trident3b]

@MOJODEVA quoting an american publication from 1931, a period of american anti communist hysteria, demonstrates to me a little your desperation for solid reasoning. This is like quoting something from a few 100 years back and hardlining that the world is flat. Come on. This is scraping the barrel.

[MOJODEVA]

@trident3b - Anti-communist "hysteria" in the U.S didn't occur until after WWII and peaked in the 1950's. Socialism was actually popular in the U.S. in the 1930's.

Why don't you know this?

[MOJODEVA]

Stalin followed Lenin that religion needed to be removed in order to construct the ideal communist society. His government promoted atheism through special atheistic education in schools, massive anti-religious propaganda, the antireligious work of public institutions, discriminatory laws, and a terror campaign against believers. A History of Soviet Atheism in Theory and Practice, and the Believer, vol 2: Soviet Anti-Religious Campaigns and Persecutions, St Martin's Press, New York (1988) p. 89

[MOJODEVA]

The People's Republic of China was established in 1949 and since then the government has been officially atheist. Xie, Zhibin, Religious diversity and public religion in China, p.145, Ashgate Publishing 2006

[trident3b]

@MOJODEVA I think we should stop comments here as we will dominate this page. What you have done again - and this is repetition - is merely make a number of quotes as to how governments have become or are atheist. Being athiest IS NOT axiomatic to automatically reverting to some sort of religious wars or attocities. All you have done here is stated that a government became officially atheist. So what? I'm backing off, you're wasting my time. This is a nonsensical discussion.

[MOJODEVA]

@trident3b - No, no don't run away yet!! I have proven to you that these people were atheists and slaughtered millions of people and tried to extinguish religion - BECAUSE of their atheism.

Now YOU have to prove to me that Christianity has declared wars, killed, promoted violence, and whatever other irrational unsupported claims you and your ilk have made. Let's have some facts, not just blathering nonsense.

[trident3b]

@MOJODEVA I think you'll find that your last few words in your 2nd paragraph is more your onus. You haven't proved anything with regard to your 1st para' at all! I am saying that most atrocities and wars have been driven by religions of all kinds, not just Christianity. What do you think the "protestant vs. Catholic" conflict in Northern Ireland was about? The inquisition, "Holy Jihad"="Holy War"! The Aztecs and their daily sacrifices for gods ripping out organs of people etc.The list is endless

[MOJODEVA]

@trident3b - Not at all. If the atheists in 20C socialism/ communism didn't kill because of atheism, as an essential tenet of Marxism (which I PROVED) neither did people kill because of religion. Atheists claim it was about corruption of power - religion can easily lay claim to the same defense.

Problem for atheists is ZERO comparison in the size of the atrocities....religion doesn't even come close - even IF - I accept your premise. But you can't because you refuse the facts.

[MOJODEVA]

100 million people killed by atheists in less than 100 years and still counting. There is NO comparison in all of history to any conflict that involves religious faith - PERIOD.

[trident3b]

@MOJODEVA first if all I think I detect a certain ad hominem response on your part. You postulate what you declare as "facts" and finish off with period etc. I am certain that most people can see that your stats are gruesomely incorrect. How can you say that “100 million people killed by atheists and still counting” when ALL the wars and conflicts we see today are just about all religious. The Middle East, the endless threats from Muslim fractions against "infidels" etc. cont' -

[MOJODEVA]

@trident3b - ALL rso-called "religious conflicts and wars" combined have done FAR, FAR less killing than the killing of atheists in 20C socialist regimes. Mao alone, is responsible for some 60 MILLION !

It is indisputable that the intent of these regimes was to EXTERMINATE RELIGION. It is likewise indisputable that these regimes were officially atheist.

It is indisputable that these regimes sought to establish atheist societies.

Your personal denial is useless.

[trident3b]

@MOJODEVA -  Even the wording ‘infidel’ and ‘jihad’ are screaming at you that this is faith based conflict. This is ultra elementary. There is nothing that relates to atheist conflict. Atheists (a self explanatory word) simply don’t believe the theist crap.

[MOJODEVA]

@trident3b - believe whatever you want to believe - but you cannot deny it is merely your choice and not fact-based. Atheists in power, seeking to establish atheist societies and eliminate religion by murder, clearly and indisputably have slaughtered more people than any war or conflict, of any type in human history.

True - atheists may not believe in "theist crap"....but they absolutely believe in killing to accomplish their concept of a "better world".

[trident3b]

@MOJODEVA to your 2nd paragraph, specifically "now YOU have to prove to me that christianity has etc.": Please provide us all your comments regarding passages in the bible such as:"But as for these enemies of mine who didn't want me to be their king-bring them here and slaughter them in my presence"! (Luke19:27), "God demands that we kill disobedient teenagers" (Deuteronomy 22:18-21), "God demands we kill girls who are not virgins when they marry" (Deuteronomy 21:13-21)etc. Enough proof for you?

[MOJODEVA]

@trident3b - Luke 19:27 was a parable told by Jesus - a story to make an allegorical point. You failed.

Your quotes from Deuteronomy are reversed - probably because you are quoting somebody else who doesn't know.God doesn't "demand that we kill disobedient teenagers or girls who aren't virgins when they marry"....but God told Israelites some 3,000 years these things in very specific situations.

1. Out of historical and social context 2) not Christianity. 3) you failed yet again

[trident3b]

@MOJODEVA I do not "fail". If anyone fails it’s you. You repeat things that I reckon you know are not true too. e.g. you harp on about Mao and the millions he killed apparently because of atheism. His agendas just like the others had nothing to do with atheism. I am certain you know that, but because you are a hardliner you hark on about it. As Dawkins once said, both Hitler and Stalin had a moustache but that was not the reason they did what they did.They both happen to have something in common

[MOJODEVA]

@trident3b - Dawkins is a fool in denial about the atrocities of the atheists that came before him. Any reasonable person can understand why atheists don't want to be associated with that kind of unimaginable inhumanity. But facts are facts. Your refusal to accept historical evidence of atheist-based atrocities doesn't change the truth.

It is irrefutable that Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and yes, even Hitler - sought to establish religion-free societies that can only be attributed to atheism.

[iheartslinkies]

@MOJODEVA Hitler was not only raised a christian but in his book made more then a handful of references directly to Christianity and the bible to justify racism and hate. All the others are somewhat true, however if it is a contest of amount of people that are christian or religious in general that have committed atrocities versus the amount of non believers and atheists, you will lose.

[MOJODEVA]

@iheartslinkies - being aware of the deeply Christian culture of Germany when Hitler rose to power may help you understand. Fact is, Hitler had written plans to end ALL religion upon total Nazi victory.

No serious historians harbor any notions that Hitler had any real Christian beliefs. As to "numbers of those committing atrocities" - you and I have no count, but the numbers dead as a result of atheism outstrips all others. Religious offenders are nowhere near the same universe.

[mmmodafoca]

@MOJODEVA are you fucking serious??? hitler was not a catholic growing up? and the catholic church did not approve of his doings? is that what your saying? check your facts buddy! and what are you saying when you say atheism has killed more than any religious cult? so we forget what is happening in the middle east RIGHT NOW (suicidies) and the crusades.. the which hunts that periodically pop up.. are you fucking serious man??

[MOJODEVA]

@mmmodafoca - Don't misquote me jackass. Hitler was raised Catholic - but after leaving home NEVER set foot in another Catholic church or church of ANY KIND. Hitler lied to German churches in order to gain control. There was no "approval".

Atheists are directly responsible for some 100 MILLION dead since 1917. The Crusades and Inquisition tally some 3-4 thousand. Salem witch hunts? less than 30. There is ZERO comparison in numbers to atheistic-motivated genocide and religious-motivated war.

[MrJamesonStyles]

@MOJODEVA Okay, let me try and be calm and saying this... every major conflict in the last 2000 years was religiously motivated. The crusades (of which there were 11) are estimated to have killed some 9 million people. As for Hitler, it's not so important what religion he practiced but what he preached, which was a religious-based superiority over the Jews.

[MrJamesonStyles]

@MrJamesonStyles To continue, if not for the dark ages, where, imposed by Christian domination, all scientific progress, free speech, free literature, etc, was punishable by death, where further millions of the brightest minds of the time were mercilessly murdered for crime by thought. If not for these dark ages, humanity would be 300 years scientifically ahead of where we are now, likely having cured all disease, stopped all suffering, become enlightened enough to determine that war is wrong.

[MrJamesonStyles]

@MrJamesonStyles So, mojodeva, where you get off trying to defend the Christian doctrine on moral grounds is offensive beyond belief. You need to reconsider your world view, and stop spreading mistruths about atheist history.

[MOJODEVA]

@MrJamesonStyles - I won't bother to refute your obvious misrepresentation of fact regarding the so-called "crusades", HItler, and the bubonic plague...rather, I will simply point out the nonsense at hand - the irrefutable fact that your claim about "the last 2000 yrs" is false. Why? Since 1917, atheistic socialism was DIRECTLY responsible for mass killings of religious persons in Russia/ USSR, China, Korea, Cambodia, and Cuba. These total some 100 million is less than 100 yrs. Try again.

[M3t4lManiac]

@MOJODEVA No you fucking retard, the murdering had nothing to do with the leaders beings atheists, do your homework a bit better next time. Maybe you'd discover that their ideologies had nothing to do with what religious conviction they had. The leaders were in fact viewed as gods, making it a civil religion.

[MOJODEVA]

@M3t4lManiac - uh-oh - another pissed off atheist kid is calling me names! LMBO - U GOT NO IDEA! If atheism was unprovable under 20C regimes in Russia, China, Cambodia, and others - then your argument against religion must also fail. There is FAR more evidence that atheism was both the motivation and the intent of those regimes. 1) It was official policy to establish atheism 2) atheism was an established tenet of Marxist Socialism 3) Only atheists were allowed to be party members

YOU FAIL.

[M3t4lManiac]

@MOJODEVA What?! Look up civil religions. None of these were motivated by atheism (lack of belief in deities) and I don't care if you yell it till your head turns blue, it simply isn't true. Fail harder, noob. Atheism can, by definition, not be the motivation for anything. You can't put this into context - "I don't believe, therefore I'm going to X" makes absolutely no sense.

[MOJODEVA]

@M3t4lManiac - "lack of belief in a deity/ deities"...no problem. But a government that is controlled by said atheists in an officially atheist government who want official atheism to be established through and "the opiate of religion" removed from their world...AND KILL MILLIONS OF PEOPLE to get it done..?? Nah--- this is ZERO logic. Atheism can NOT escape this - YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENT.

[M3t4lManiac]

@MOJODEVA Give me a historical source that indicates that these people were murdered to promote atheism.

[MOJODEVA]

@M3t4lManiac 1. C. Education, Science, Culture, The Albanian Constitution of 1976. - ahteism and the resulting genocide that ensued in Albania. 2. Lenin, V. I.. "About the attitude of the working party toward the religion.". Collected works, v. 17, p.41. Retrieved 2006-09-09.Anti-clericalism and anti-religionism based on the tenet of atheism in Marxism. 3. All religions persecuted--Country Studies: Russia-The Russian Orthodox Church U.S. Library of Congress, Accessed Apr. 3, 2008 (more to come)

[M3t4lManiac]

@MOJODEVA Doesn't make any sense. These show the persecution of religious people, but again, not in the name of "atheism" you can't make a statement: "my disbelief in god makes me want to kill a lot of people" there are ulterior, personal motives which we know can inspire anything. A society without belief doesn't entail perfect serenity and harmony, but religion is still the biggest murderer in history.

[MOJODEVA]

@M3t4lManiac - Yeah - it "doesn't make any sense" to you because you don't want to believe it. Research it yourself and take off your FAITH GLASSES. If you *believe* there is no evidence that atheism was involved and motivated the killing of MILLIONS by OFFICIALLY ATHEIST regimes - then the corollary of your argument is also true - you have no evidence that religion was involved or motivated violence or murder. You CAN NOT have it both ways.

[M3t4lManiac]

@MOJODEVA Yes I have you babbling fuckwit, read your fucking bible, read a history book now and then, look up a little thing called the dark ages.

[MOJODEVA]

@M3t4lManiac - no, actually, all you have is a limited vocabulary, misdirected anger, and an enormous lack of proof of any of your faith-based claims. Add your pitiable logic and you have a total recipe for insanity beyond the limits of any given psych ward at any major hospital in the world. ULTIMATE FAIL.

[MOJODEVA]

@M3t4lManiac - and likewise - you can't make a provable statement that belief in God makes people want to kill others. You *may* provide evidence that people kill to protect their religion, but not belief in deity. There's no direct connection, just as you say there is no connection between socialist/ communist atheism and the atrocities of the 20thC.

There's no causal relationship between concluding A) there is a supreme being and therefore B) I must kill someone - FALSE ARGUMENT

[M3t4lManiac]

@MOJODEVA "- and likewise - you can't make a provable statement that belief in God makes people want to kill others. " that was pobably the worst you could have said. Religious dogma has been the perpetrator of the killings of billions of people, maybe look up the crusade, maybe google suicide bombing, 9/11 and witch burning - all because of religious dogma, all because their religion said so. Atheism has no "ruleset" or "divine truth" (i.e. don't eat shellfish and homosexuality is a sin).

[MrJamesonStyles]

@MOJODEVA Also, I would like to find out where you get this sum total of "100 MILLION" dead since 1917 as a result of atheist conduct. I doubt that I have missed in my knowledge of 20th century history such a large scale conflict, unless of course you are attributing the first two world wars to atheism, which is a pretty large leap in logic.

Also, had science been allowed to progress, antibiotics would've been developed around the time of the bubonic plague... 75 million killed due to ignorance.

[mmmodafoca]

@MOJODEVA are you fucking serious??? hitler was not a catholic growing up? and the catholic church did not approve of his doings? is that what your saying? check your facts buddy! and what are you saying when you say atheism has killed more than any religious cult? so we forget what is happening in the middle east RIGHT NOW (suicidies) and the crusades.. the which hunts that periodically pop up.. are you fucking serious man?? how diluted do you have to be in order to believe the garbage you spew

[MOJODEVA]

You're quitting because you have nothing. I have proven that atheism was driving the atrocities of 20C officially atheist regimes. You have pointed only to ancient texts applicable to few people 3,000 years ago.

From Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, and on into the Viet Nam war - atheism, as a fundamental tenet of socialism/ communism and documented to you in numerous references - is the reason these MILLIONS of innocent people were killed like by atheist monsters.

[trident3b]

@MOJODEVA as I am relocating & do not have a copy of the bible I can only retrieve currently from the net. & anyway, there are revised versions every few years re the wording, as they are all translations. I have read these passages and they are in the bible. Anyone here can look these horrid things up. That dear boy is proof. You however do not provide proof. You make assertions driven by your hardliner contrary 'as a matter of principle' approach. I have finished now. Youtube usage too high.

[wilber48234]

Don't trust in your own "good" works, trust in Christ. See Acts 17:30,31, Acts 4:10-12, Ephesians 2:8,9. Isaiah 64:6 John 3:14-21 and 4:24 and 6:28,29. Romans 6:23. 1st Corinthians 3:18-23 and 2nd Corinthians 5:10,11. And finally Jeremiah 29:13.

[deathstar367]

calm down man. the bible is bullshit. if your only proof is that he supposedly came back from the dead then you might as well beleive in any of the other 1000s of gods who also came back from the dead.

[wilber48234]

Well, in the end there is only one way to heaven and it is faith in Jesus. God is calling all men everywhere to repent of their sins and accept the free gift of eternal life He has provided by TRUSTING in Jesus and His work on the cross for the forgiveness of their sins. There is salvation in no other. He has furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.

[mrw21]

@wilber48234

Who really and truly wants to live forever? What if you really could live forever? I mean, REALLY think about what that would be like. What is it that you would do if you had FOREVER to do it? Does not the fact that life is temporary make it more precious and valuable? If anything is available ad infinitum, it becomes cheap if not worthless. You want to live forever because you're scared to die, but living forever would be just as scary and disheartening.

[wilber48234]

the creation speaks of His eternal power and divine nature. But even though they knew God they chose foolish speculation instead of honoring Him. Then their heart was darkened. Speaking of foolish speculation did you see the recent article in Time (or was it Newsweek?), where they had these mythical drawings of animals with say the body of a lizard and the head of a bird? I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. Fantastic example of foolish speculation.

[wilber48234]

Wow, alot of positive comments for Christopher Hitchens. It is alarming to see so many people who are deceived by his "reasoning". At the end of the day, after all the endless talking and debating on these 11 videos, the basic formula of belief for the atheist is this, that Nothing + Nobody = Everything. That is ridiculous. It is foolish (Psalm 14:1) and even dangerous. The very world they live in and the creation they can see around them tells them of God

[Catrambi]

The ending statement by Hitchens is beautiful and absolutely brilliant.

[billyboscoboy]

If u saw spilled milk, u cant ask the milk what happened. However you can with your free thinking mind investigate the seen . Maybe youll see the broken container next to it with cat prints leading away. YOu could then assume it may havr been a cat that spilled it and not god. Same for the universe you cant ask the accident what happened, but you can examine the evidence and use reason

[orangesfromlondon]

Hitchens really finished off well.

I really enjoyed this debate. Great to see the two acting so civil to each other.

[voodoocigam]

@orangesfromlondon Yeah.. Hitchens closing statement was very good.

[Saromatae]

Wilson's commentary was awful just awful. He completely missed every point and had nothing but allegorical metaphors. Though Wilson is better than Dinesh D'Sousa who also has no points to make and is shreakingly shrill to boot. So Wilson wasn't shrill that's one point to his credit.

[BBills20]

Give Jesus a shot and your life will change.

[Timetotossthedice]

I'd give him a shot...do you think he prefers whiskey, gin, scotch? It's clear "He" drinks, despite what my Baptist brethren would say, see his first "miracle" for confirmation... 8-P

[localiser1]

all the same, thanks for having me. lol

[alohawg]

We accidently came from nowhere,we're here for no reason,we have nothing to look forward to. Atheism is awesome woo hoo.

Wait, my brain, which I reasoned with is a product of this accidental process too, so what if my brain is wrong, how can I trust my brain?Nevermind atheism is great, yeah baby, when I die.........oh' wait that's future tense, can't be as sure as I am about the past or can I? I got it, my purpose is to be a smart accident!

[dallased25]

From nowhere, no. Not having a god, doesn't change purpose. People are idiots and often wrong and if we do die and go nowhere, you will neither know, nor care and it won't change the facts. Sorry you can't find purpose in your life without an allpowerful dictator to write your life for you. Considering billions of stars all devoid of life so far as we know...looks like random chance to me.

[opiateofthemasses]

Well that comment argued itself. The point of atheism isn't to be wonderful or awesome, like religion. It is not meant to pander to our fears, or dreams, it is simply the search for truth regardless if that truth sucks. Atheists are NOT people who want to believe whatever suits them, they don't want to blind themselves or be lied to. They simply want truth and fact, not fairy tales and fiction. Apparently you characteristically ignored the other side of the argument or you'd know that.

[Alux2003]

Fantastic speech by Hitchens as often. In these couple of minutes he sums up everything that people need to know about religious idiocy.

I also admire his ability to repeatedly speak against a solid brick wall without getting tired >:o)

[mironowak]

Whoever invented religion did the best con-job known to history. I cannot believe that now, in 21st century we still have to discuss this nonsense.

I feel sorry for Mr.Wilson watching this one-sided "debate".

He is no match for Mr.Hitchens.

Mr.Wilson is a classic example of elegantly wasted intellect. His pathetic, sophistic, solipsistic, convoluted and desperate "argumentation" advocating regurgitated and repackaged pre-monotheistic myths is just painful to watch.

[lambent77777]

Amen!

[Linkous12]

Thanks for the upload.

[Dark1777]

Interesting to watch. Thank you very much for posting it!