Damascus and Jeursalem in a 1936 documentary

[ryolight]

WATCH OCCUPATION 101

[LearnedHand2008]

Your argument about Israeli power is circular: if Israel is powerful enough to defend itself, any peace treaty it signs is meaningless because it was forced on the Arabs. But if it isn't powerful enough to defend itself, it is destroyed. So basically you're saying there's no way Israel can exist and make a peace that's real.

[ryolight]

@LearnedHand2008

Exactly, that's a strong theef situation, once we become strong enough to take back our stolen land, you'll come by yourselves and return the stolen land and go back to your original countries like Russia or Africe, etc.

Watch occupation 101.

[samicxi]

little has changed about the old city

[LearnedHand2008]

@samicxi

Yes, the old city is very nice. Except for the Jewish Quarter which was leveled by Jordan and rebuilt after 1967, the rest of the city looks basically the same, except now the Dome of the Rock has a nice golden frosting instead of the old grey.

[gobba223]

LMFAO

A pink pig stained toothed AngloSaxon Barbarian is actually making fun on of Syria.

Typical white supremacist mentality Europe had.

[raqfam]

Yes, the western attitude was sometimes very ignorant and rude. This was also done more than 60 years ago.

[Sabei0990]

I wander if any Hanini were in this video. Do you have more?

[Sabei0990]

From the appearence of the people they have little demand for it. OMG How mean.

[am231e]

The most wonderful info in this movie, is when they mentioned that they went from Damascus in Syria to Jerusalem in Palestine !! I wish to see this holy city back to where it belongs, not to the Israelis.

[LearnedHand2008]

@am231e

The city is still in Palestine, b/c Palestine is not a sovereign country, but a geographical place in the Western tradition. Maybe it will one day be a sovereign country, but it isn't now, and has never has been. The Arabs living there under the Turks didn't call it Palestine until the British (who purposefully drew borders reflecting Christian biblical understanding of ancient Israel) came. It was split between different regions of Turkish governance.

[am231e]

The name "Palestine" is older than the name "Israel", according to the Bible itself. Palestinians were there even before the Israelites. Palestine's name used by the Greeks & Romans, and it was known before & after them; thus they had a sovereign country through history, it was a province in all the empires that came to the region; but it was not important as their identity is respected. This "Identity" had been crushed in two times: by Crusaders, and by Zionists.

[LearnedHand2008]

@am231e

None of that is true. When the Greeks (Seleucid), Persians (Archaemenid), and Romans ruled Israel, it was called "Judah" in their respective languages (Yehud in Persian, Judea in Greek and Latin). The Romans changed the name in order to destroy the Jewish history which is obvious from looking at the Temple Mount, Masada, The Tomb of the Patriarchs. Herodotus' use of word similar to "Palestine" refers to the coastal area of the Philistines, which doesn't include most of the country.

[am231e]

Palaestina I & II were sub-provinces from Syria in Byzantine empire, as always. Syria (also known as The Levant) was the origin name for all the area between Euphrates & the Mediterranean, and between Anatolia Mountains and Sinai desert. This area is a one area in most of the time through history, belonged to a bigger state ruling it from here and there (ie Rome). Sickness comes for short times through history to divide this land into small entities, like today's situation, which don't last

[LearnedHand2008]

@am231e

Yes, that is correct. Except that before the Byzantine Empire existed, the "Palestine" part of "Syria-Palestina" was called "Judah" or "Israel" for 8 centuries

[am231e]

and, may I ask what it was called before Judah or Israel? and for how many of centuries? what about the Arab Jews?

That is it, my friend, the struggle of Identity! What the world will do if Italians today said that we were in Britain for centuries, Arabs were in Spain for 8 centuries, and Chinese were in Vancouver Island for a long time before Western? How would you picture such crazy worled were everyone would say "me me", and the culture of "I want it all, and I want it now" ?!

[LearnedHand2008]

@am231e

I totally agree with you. By your logic, Palestinians have no right to make claims to land they no longer control, so let's have two states, giving Israelis control over places they live, and Palestinians control over places they live.

[am231e]

@LearnedHand2008

It was good to chat with you, but I have to catch my ferry.

Israel will not accept this very logic, because they want it ALL! What would you do if someone kick you out of your house and said: You know what? this house was for my grand father, and I want it now, and I want it all, and you are only an invader, and the rest of the Zionist nonsense? What would you do when this guy showing you as "nomad" speaking "foreign" language, while you are the owner of this place?

[LearnedHand2008]

@am231e

Actually, Israel does accept this logic: it built a Wall to separate themselves from Arabs, and will leave unilaterally need be.

Your "grandfather" analogy doesn't make sense because its not 1948, its 2010. If anything, you've just made an argument for why Palestinians have no right to kick out Israelis.

[am231e]

This happened before, and the recent one before Zionists was Crusaders. How it had been solved by then?

Whoever came from Europe to go back to wherever he came from, and whoever was an Arab Christian to stay and live in peace. Religious places to be opened and respected to their followers.

Can Israelis accept this? No way! They want to destroy the mosque because they want their temple! It's never going to end in such mentality, because later on, Muslims will take it back, and build theirs!

[LearnedHand2008]

@am231e

Well, actually the Crusades were different because they involved maybe a few thousands Europeans, and there are 6 million Israeli Jews. So kicking them out is a matter of genocide, not winning a few battles with swords.

[LearnedHand2008]

@am231e

I think you'll be relieved to hear that Israeli Jews aren't going to build the third temple. The place is controlled by Muslims and it is not in danger. So you don't have to worry about it :)

[LearnedHand2008]

@am231e

Modern Palestinian Arabs and Israeli Jews (Ashkenazi and Sephardic) are both descended from the ancient inhabitants of the land. The difference between them is that Israeli Jews preserved the original liturgical language and native religion, while Palestinian Arabs speak a foreign language and, for the most part, practice a foreign religion created by desert nomads

[am231e]

There is no logic way to say that Ashkenazi Jews had the right in an Arab Land. It's like saying that Christians of Venezuela have the right in the church of Spain, and that right will let them kill and terminate the "others" from it. That is nonsense. The land is for its people, whether they were Muslims, Jews, or Christians; not for its invaders, whether they were Jews, Muslims, or Christians. Zionism, Crusaders, and Fanatic Talban are not Judaism, Christianity, and Islam

[LearnedHand2008]

@am231e

Well actually its quite logical. Ashkenazi Jews are more genetically indigenous to Israel than any other place, and they speak the indigenous language and practice the indigenous religion. Arabic and Islamic civilization originated in the Hejaz and Southern Arabia, not Israel/Palestine. Most Palestinian Arabs trace their ancestry back to the foreign invading Arab armies that settled the land during the Islamic conquest.

[am231e]

@LearnedHand2008

Why all logic, history, geography, and heritage freeze at that point in Israel? Why this same concept doesn't work for the rest of the world the same way it works for Israel? The reason is because there is only power to bend logic to its own size. Only military power is the reason for all that nonsense, and usually these powers don't remain forever. It didn't remain for any one before, and Israel is no exception; but it would be too late by then to speak wisely, I guess

[LearnedHand2008]

@am231e

Either I don't understand your argument or you're contradicting yourself. There are two ways to make normative arguments about who "should" have the land:

(1) Look at the map today, and give people sovereignty over where they live

(2) Make historical arguments about who has rights

If you don't think either kind of argument is relevant, and that "might makes right", then there's no reason for you to oppose Israel.

[am231e]

@LearnedHand2008

1) what do you mean by "today"? is it "Now, 2010?", Since 67 when Israel occupied Jerusalem & Golan heights? since 48 when they occupied the Arab lands under the British blessing? This is all the modern history, and this is all may called "today"

2) History should not favour one religion on the other, nor one race on the other. You argument is pro-Israel, thanks to the Zionist media, which is polishing every Israeli crime as "self defence"

3) Israel won't stop of expanding

[LearnedHand2008]

@am231e

(1) Today is December 2010. If you think today is 1967, I don't think most people would agree with you. So you're basically contradicting yourself. You're saying, "Jewish history doesn't matter because history marches on", but also "I don't think anything that happened after 1947 is a legitimate part of history." You're drawing an arbitrary line in history just like you accuse Zionists of doing.

(2) You're right, why should history favor Islam? Why should Muslims control Jerusalem?

[am231e]

1) Because it's a 62 years of pain in the region, because of planting a foriegn body in the mid of it. I wish it had been planted friendly, but with blood. I hope it'll stop, but it's expanding like a cancer in the body. I wish it has a logic, it has military power and media control to show the martyres as terrorist, and the invadors as pioneers and conquests.

2) Because Jews don't recognise the rights of the ones after them, but Muslims recognise the ones before them (Christians & Jews)

[LearnedHand2008]

@am231e

Thats weird, I hadn't noticed the Muslims recognizing the rights of the Jewish people who came before them! I'm pretty sure the who "Hamas" thing is about NOT recognizing Jewish rights

[LearnedHand2008]

@am231e

Actually, its been 62 years of freedom for the Jewish people. That matters to some people.

Your argument pretty much boils down to this: When Arabs conquer a country, they have rights there forever, and when Jews conquer a country, they will never have rights there.

[LearnedHand2008]

@am231e

Tell me again: what is "foreign" about an Israeli Jew who was born in Israel and speaks only Hebrew?

[LearnedHand2008]

@am231e

(3) Well if Israel "won't stop expanding", how do you explain the fact that it gave most of the territory it controlled in the 1970's (the entire Sinai) to Egypt? That doesn't seem like expansion to me

[am231e]

@LearnedHand2008

Yes, but Egypt can enter a tank in their Sinai? and Israel is the higher hand in that treaty, while Egypt is somehow surrender one.

What is the logic of giving back your land after making you a poppet in my hand? It's only pure military power would force you to accept it the way it is. Being a cancer-state,it has no borders in its constitution, it can expand the time they want and as far as their power can take them. and there is always an excuse for their aggressive attitude

[LearnedHand2008]

@am231e

You're right, Egypt isn't allowed to militarize the Sinai. So what? Israel doesn't occupy it, Egypt does. There are plenty of demilitarized areas in the world that are considered sovereign territory...this is a big example of Israel giving up land, but you ignore it because you WANT to think Israel is only aggressive. You just don't like the evidence that says otherwise.

[ryolight]

@LearnedHand2008

do you really believe your lies???? give up a land which didn't belong to it by first place, theef.

[LearnedHand2008]

@am231e

You're right. Israel has legal borders with Egypt, Lebanon, and Jordan. It doesn't have legal borders with Palestine or Syria. What does this prove? The US Constitution doesn't have borders in it either; does this mean the US is a cancer?

[LearnedHand2008]

@am231e

My argument have nothing to do with the "Zionist media." They come from the fact that I've been to Israel and Palestine, and seen that they are two different places with two different cultures. So its obvious each should be a country. I haven't made any personal insults against you, so I don't see why you have insulted me

:(

[LearnedHand2008]

@am231e

You seem to think its arbitrary to give Jews rights based on events 2000 years ago when that principle doesn't operate elsewhere. Ok, that makes sense. After all, why "freeze" time at the year 5 AD? But, you can't then say "let's freeze time at 1947 before Israel existed." Either you account for changes in history, or you don't. If you do, then you can't ignore the fact that Israel exists now.

[LearnedHand2008]

@am231e

Your Venezuala analogy is flawed, first, because Israel expelled the Palestinians during a war, it didn't kill them en masse. Further, Spanish Christians speak the earliest extant language native to Spain and practice the earliest extant religion, so, unlike the Palestinians, they carry on the land's native culture.

[am231e]

When such disaster happen, then everyone will start to search and dig for proof about "what-belongs-to-whom" endless debate. I don't mix between "religions", and "politics" that is merged with "fanaticism" most of the time. British gave a strategic land that is not theirs to group of Europeans who had influence and money, and then those ones occupied the Biblical Holy Land and said that it's theirs! This is a pure injustice! Have you read Steve Berry's "The Alexandria Link"? I do recommend it

[AzdKahlan]

LMFAO

A pink shit stained toothed AngloSaxon Barbarian is actually making fun on of Syria.

If his people were so great why they couldn't invent a religion like the sons of Abraham did!

[Ayeere]

Isnt it God's religion?

[meer81]

loving it, it's amazing, great post

[tsh4atm]

its very important video thx for add him

[ahmara81]

great document!!!

[zouzou4442331]

Perfect. Can I save it to my computer

[alphautubeone]

-SLAUGHTERING PALESTINIANS AT A RATIO OF "8 to 1" AND THEN CLAIMING YOU ARE THE VICTIM OF TERRORISM~ AND ANTI_SEMITISM IS SIMPLY LAUGHABLE BY ANY RATIONAL, LOGIC, RELIGION OR CREED. NO EXCUSE* IS CREDIBLE` FOR THESE LEVELS OF TERRORISM. NOT EVEN THE JEWISH HOLY TORAH `ALLOWS KILLING BEYOND AN EYE FOR AN EYE!

PLEASE MEMORIZE- & HELP POST THIS COMMENT ON MANY OTHER ISRAEL RELATED VIDEOS.

[Bowlerrr]

im turk and i dont like arabs, they are asshole

[ahmara81]

why U think they are assholes?

[AzdKahlan]

Then go back to Mongolia...

[syrian4ever]

this vid is insulting syrians in somehow (the baker) and b4 that when he started if there was no sound it will b better.they are just jealous.

[hilagreen]

This is incredible. Thank you. Do you have more?

[Marshmalllow]

Wonderful piece of historical film, albeit through the rather - "Look at the cute natives" tone of the commentator (such as the soap comment). I can just imagine the guy on the organ changing the music for each scene. I'm sure I heard a segment by Tchaikovsky being played in there. Sobering though to think that probably "every" person/animal in this footage is dead.

[Sabei0990]

Yeah i was shocked when he said that.

[m2bashar]

Great one, Thanks a lot for posting.

[Muzexplorer]

This is an amazing video. From where did you get it? Really awesome. Thank you for posting it.