@artofcorfu I would not say "by the time Constantine came along "Christianity" had become brew of pagan philosophy." that came into play after Constantine, but there were at least five major sects of Christianity and they did not always get along.
"What it was is less important then what it was interpreted," remember this, all Christian, Jewish, Muslims, Hindi and Buddhists. Religions are nothing but well decorated swindles.
Those christians are the same as they were 2000 years ago. Forever so preachy and insisting they're always right with their annoying "my god is the true god" shit.
@busted192192 i am a christian but i am far from that you need to realize that not all christians are the same i am very open minded and open to knew ideas and if i do not agree with the bible i will state it which is why i don`t go to church
@newtsareamazing Christ conquers as this history illustrates. He is not conquered as the false preachers try to say. And His city is not hidden but shines throughout history as a lamp that shines for all. and the Church was never invisible.
This is a crap job by the BBC. None of the historical records ever indicate that what Constantine saw could have been a meteor, or that he was constantly influenced by pesky Christians. What they have mostly stated is that he saw the vision in the sky that was a greek, Chi Rho symbol. It was said he heard a voice that said, "By this you will conquer". Now we don't know if it really happened, but what we do know is that it was recorded. The BBC just plain sucks when it come to historical accuracy
@KayBeeEee1983 Why would he make up something so he can convert to a religion that he knew everyone would completely oppose? The romans hated christians. Why would he even change beliefs before a critical battle with an army who was all pagan? His own army didn't want to do it?? The thing is if you use the argument that the historians simply made that up then you can pretty much say that about all history..
@MissedTheMark How do you know everyone hated Christianity? Are you assuming they did because it was illegal? The Roman Empire was not a democracy.
That reminds me of people who say that the Apostles "wouldn't die for a lie". They assume that they were offered the option to recant. After the "Great Fire of Rome", Christians were blamed. The Apostles were targeted as leaders of a terrorist organization, not for their religious beliefs. Would the USA give Bin Laden the option to recant Islam?
@KayBeeEee1983 How do I know everyone hated Christianity? How do I know Constantine every existed? The same exact way. It was documented. The only ones who didn't hate christianity were the christians. As for the apostles argument, they knew that preaching the gospel would insite fatal opposition, but they kept preaching anyway. Christians were dying long before the Great Fire of Rome. It was not only the Romans who were doing the killing, but also Jewish Zealots.
@MissedTheMark "How do I know everyone hated Christianity? It was documented"
Show me where it's documented. I'm not saying you're wrong, I would just like to check it out for myself. It's also important to know WHEN it was written, because if it were written after Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire, that would be suspicious, because a central theme of Christianity is persecution.
@KayBeeEee1983 Are you assuming that a lot of roman history is false because you don't agree with it? I don't understand why you are so anal about what might or might not have happen unless you had an agenda. The thing is, this documentary suggested history that wasn't documented. Usually, people do that when they don't like what was written because they have an agenda. As for your documentation; Eusebius, Vita Constantini, Zonaras, Compendium of History, Lactantius De Mortibus Persecutorum
@MissedTheMark There are events in Roman history that don't make any sense, and therefore they shouldn't be assumed true. If all of Rome hated Christianity, including the military, and Constantine converted to Christianity, why would they keep him as Emperor? Why wouldn't they consider him an antisocial nut and revolt? The obvious answer: THEY DON'T HATE CHRISTIANITY.
It's funny that you mention agendas, because Roman historians all had agendas, that's why they're filled with embellishments.
@KayBeeEee1983 lol, why would they keep him as emperor? So they don't die. It takes time to plan an assassination. Constintine made the decision fast to convert the army. The army saw that the conversion helped them in their battle and became convinced themselves of it's "power". lol.. I liked that you screamed, "THEY DON'T HATE CHRISTIANITY.. It's almost like you do.
@MissedTheMark Did you really reference Eusebius? A Christian? You don't think he had an agenda?
It seems to me that you have the opposite problem. If you read history and LIKE what you read, you assume it's true. And when anyone question its reliability you try to deflect the argument and accuse the person of having an agenda rather than actually contemplating the possible historical inaccuracy. Like you doing right now....
@KayBeeEee1983 Oh, God seriously?? I doesn't disregard his view. Of course anybody can skew history, but from your end, besides him being a christian, what other evidence do you have that his view was not legitimate? I'm just telling you what it said. Just because you can't stand Christianity now, doesn't mean that it didn't happen then. Your arguments have not substance behind them except, speculation.. That's it! Nothing else!
@MissedTheMark "Constintine made the decision fast to convert the army."
Who would convert to a religion that they hate? If they hate Christianity, they wouldn't believe that Christianity helped them. You're seriously the dumbest Christian I've ever talked to. I'm not speculating or assuming. It's conjecture, the ability to reason, and common sense. I'm not going to respond to any more of your comments.
@KayBeeEee1983 lol.. Geez you get pissed easy.. lol.. It's like you're 4th grade again. When they make you mad, call them a name.. lol.. anyways.. A person would convert to another religion if there was some form of divine intervention that happened that convinced them otherwise, duh.. The whole point of God is that He is supernatural. So when something supernatural happens it forces a desicion. Of course you don't believe that it happened because you don't want to believe there is a God
@MissedTheMark "As for the apostles argument, they knew that preaching the gospel would insite fatal opposition, but they kept preaching anyway. Christians were dying long before the Great Fire of Rome. It was not only the Romans who were doing the killing, but also Jewish Zealots."
What are you basing that on? The book of Acts? There is nothing in any of Paul's letters to indicate that Christians were being killed during or before his time. Persecuted and imprisoned, yes, but not killed
@KayBeeEee1983 Considering that the book of acts is a historical document, whether you like it or not, Yes. The persecution started after Stephen. Acts 12:1-3, Acts 11:19. Also Philip was crucified at Heliopolis, in Phrygia A. D. 54. Simon the Zealot was ministering in Persia, and was killed after refusing to sacrifice to the sun god. James was martyred in 62 A.D. Paul talks about it in 1 Thess. 2:14-15. Revelation 2:13 talks about Antipas being martyred.
@KayBeeEee1983 Prove to me, right here and now tha the book of Acts is "outrageously inaccurate"? Not a little inaccurate, "Outrageously".. lol.. And on the other hand, just because there are even errors in a book, doesn't mean the whole book itself is inaccurate..
@MissedTheMark Umm..no..that will take a while to get it all together, you wouldn't believe or understand it anyway, and I just don't care about you. I've wasted enough time. Learn how to reason. Use your brain. There's no reason to disprove 1 + 1 = 3.
@KayBeeEee1983 heh heh.. Couldn't resist to make one more comment even though you said you wouldnt? Next time, don't argue a topic you don't know much about. It will save you from feeling frustrated.. Have a nice day
@MissedTheMark "don't argue a topic you don't know much about."
You should take your own advice. do you have any self awareness at all? You can't see your hypocrisy? not shocking, especially since you seem to think there are 2 religious choices: believing in the Judeo-Christian God, or no God at all.
@MissedTheMark Maybe he didn't change beliefs BEFORE the battle, only after he had secured power.
Do you think the army really cared which god, out of the hundreds within Roman paganism, Constantine worshiped?
People SHOULD be skeptical about Roman history. Much of what has survived was written decades, sometimes even generations, after the events described.
@KayBeeEee1983 You said "Maybe he didn't change beliefs BEFORE the battle, only after he had secured power". Hey the historical writtings say what they say. These writers were writer of those then living. Not latter historians. You said "People SHOULD be skeptical about Roman history". That's a real dumb argument, why? Because that's where we get most of our history from. Most of the peoples of that time did not document their history. It is that very thing which deemed a people group civilized.
@MissedTheMark "Hey the historical writtings say what they say."
Just because it was written a long time ago, doesn't make it true.
""People SHOULD be skeptical about Roman history". That's a real dumb argument, why?"
I guess you stopped reading my post after that sentence. I said "Much of what has survived was written decades, sometimes even generations, after the events described." Also, Roman historians are notoriously unreliable. They exaggerate and contradict, particularly Josephus.
@KayBeeEee1983 i didn't ignore your comment. I just didn't comment on it because you're just trying to use any argument. I don't care if roman historians are notoriously unreliable, it doesn't mean that all of them were, logically. You only want to use that argument when it applies to this topic because you have an agenda. Everybody uses those credibility arguments when they don't like how history was written.
@MissedTheMark "Most of the peoples of that time did not document their history. It is that very thing which deemed a people group civilized."
So what? Again, just because someone writes something, it's not guaranteed to be true. To assume it's true is idiotic, particularly ancient history. The Egyptians were also notorious liars. That doesn't mean you should assume all ancient history is false, it just means you should be skeptical, look for secondary sources, and use common sense.
@KayBeeEee1983 I never said that all of it is true, I'm just telling you what it says. Who knows, you could be a liar too. What do I have from you that can make me think otherwise. The thing is, people disagree with history when they don't like it and use the ol' ad hominem attack when it suits them. Hey, it says what it says. Saying what it doesn't say is far more unreliable..
@MissedTheMark I'm not purporting anything to be true. I'm reasoning for you because you are obviously incapable of doing it yourself. You have proved you have no capacity to think critically. Let me repeat:
If all of Rome hated Christianity, including the military, and Constantine converted to Christianity, why would they keep him as Emperor? Why wouldn't they consider him an antisocial nut and revolt? The obvious answer: THEY DON'T HATE CHRISTIANITY.
@KayBeeEee1983 lol.. I have no capacity to think critically? Are trying to bag on me?? lol.. When you get frustrated, you through insults cause it relieves your stress? Am I stressing you? Anyways,The people of Rome hated Christianity, even liberal, anti christian BBC agreed with that. I think it's just a pride issue with you. You don't want to admit you are wrong. Besides, you never provided me any support that the Roman empire was sympathetic to christians. So who is the crap historian now?
@MissedTheMark I'm not frustrated. My mind is boggled by your willful ignorance. I can't understand why people believe that blind faith is a virtue. Faith is fine, but you have faith in things that have proven to be contradictory and/or completely made up.
Proof that the Roman empire was sympathetic to Christians during Constantine's time is the fact that he converted to Christianity and the people/army still followed him. What is so hard about that? You only accept written history as proof? Logic is proof.
@KayBeeEee1983 Again its pride that makes you contradict your own word. You can't stand having somebody you hate beat you in an argument. You said you weren't going to respond, now look at you.. Who's the hypocrite?? Exactly.. Practice what you preach.. Don't let your pride make you look anymore foolish than you do.. And besides, look at what your atheism has done for you.. It's made you into a bitter, angry, and frustrated person. Why I or anybody what to live in that hell..
@MissedTheMark You have serious mental problems. You call yourself a Christian? You didn't beat me in any argument. Like most Christians, you simply ignore logic and reason, and you swallow blatant lies and enjoy it. How long did it take you to write that post? It's filled with more bitterness than any other single youtube post I've ever seen. Seek help with a mental health professional. A real one, not your lazy, liar, pedophile priest/minister.
@MissedTheMark Can you write a single sentence without it being hypocritical? Seriously. You're the angriest Christian I've ever seen. You need more than a hug. You need to get laid.
@MissedTheMark If you think this hell, just imagine the hell you're going to be in when you die. Immoral hypocrites like you don't go to heaven. You can try to convince yourself that you will go to heaven, but it's all a lie, just like your religion.
Fact: Rome didn't hate Christianity during Paul's time, and they didn't hate Christianity during Constantine's time. You can believe all the lying apologists. Almost everything about Christianity is made up. Use your brain, if you even have one.
@TheRedemptionRain She was taking me seriously up until I proved that her argument made no sense. Then she did what a lot of Christians do when someone uses logic and reason against them: she made fun of me....
@KayBeeEee1983 LOL so? What is the point in arguing with someone who is just goofing around.........................oh gosh nvm, I am just tired of seeing people arguing over the internet =_=
@TheRedemptionRain She wasn't goofing around in the beginning. She thinks Constantine's conversion to a religion that everyone hated is proof that he really saw a sign from God.
I don't like how ignorant people act like Christianity was the only horrible religion, there were horribly cruel religions both before and after Christianity. While its true that Christianity is responsible for a lot of bad things in the world, we as a race will never move forward if all we do is make childish attacks on peoples beliefs. People will simply hold onto their beliefs more strongly if all people do is attack their beliefs crudely. This is not the way to go about changing minds.
for goodness sake people can we not have this stupid conversation about whether about the crimes done in the name of christianity? Whether you people like it or not, constantine converted the empire to christianity and politicized it. Now obviously your gonna have those people who blame christianity for the fall of rome, ignoring other factors like the babarian invasions, the rising inflation and stagnation of the roman economy, and the decay in their armed forces. they cant be helped...
Proud to be descended from half Italian, we always eat and never gain weight...well that's not true some of us do gain weight. Besides that I used to weight 250 when I was 17, now that I started working out I only weight 180 and that's pure muscle. The actual trick to losing weight is having a hobby that brings your metabolism high.Then u can eat as much as you want and nothing goes on you. I eat around 4000 calories a day and nothing stays on me anymore! I'm still an American though.
damm that chick rocks :D but still its treu it was there rulez and if you dont you were dead and the armor some of the romans did have better armory this armor looks a bit barbarisch can be wrong though...
Constantine wasn't stupid. He knew that with Maxentius getting the backing of the pagan gods, he needed to counter with the opposite side of the theological coin, Christianity. That's all his 'conversion' was, it wasn't a mystical moment, it was cold hard PR and it's worked brilliantly for nigh on 1700 years now
but he did. he had the gorgeous woman fausta executed for adultery later on (if memory serves, i will check) and one of his sons also, for rebellion. his christianity extended only to making himslf a 13th apostle and to the barbarity of his punishments for gays.
it was no christian conversion, and the christianization of the empire was a disaster for the church of christ
@coolasacoldsummer I should suck your dick for making such a spot-on observation! Mmm the RAPEture is coming! Jehovah will save only the few believers and the rest will burn in lake of fire!
Hot Bitch!!! But like all women just does not know when to shut her mouth!!!!! Heavy is the head that wears the crown, i kinda feel bad for Constantine, We owe a lot to the guy who brought Christianity to the West, who cares if he believed in it himself. plus he had a cool name and we are still talking about him almost 2000 years later. Legacy!
That is very surprising to see that Constantine actually had a vision from the God.I have read the book The Rise and Fall of Roman Empire which was written by the famous British historian Edward Gibbon but i have not read anything that the author describes about Constantine having visions but the authors describes him as a great general and a politician.Looks like i have to read that part again to see for the vision part.
@berjah1 God did not abandon Jesus to die on the cross. Jesus and God knew He would have to die to save us from our sins. God even said it in the Bible.
@wissamsam please dont class the british as similar to the americans. we are nothing like them. i know the media in your country probably distorts your view of our country but we are decent people, it's just many of our politicians have given us a bad image. do not generalise people.
I never did, don't, never will believe that Constantine was struck by some sort of vision. He was just an excellent politician using the new and now quite powerfull faith to his own benefit.
@msquestionmark like it or not it plays a part of history. The story of Jesus as an existing human is corroborated by the romans. The fact that Jesus existed however does not add to the argument that the Christian God exists.
I have nothing against the original christianity, Jesus had a perfect message..love your neighbour, bring peace and love and help others. And he didnt force his religion upon others...like most of the other christians did.
btw any1 whos wondering romans didnt speak english they spoke latin all roman soldiers were required understand latin as orders were given in latin for example testudo is latin for turtle (the formation)
Remember its not PC to say British as you will upset the Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish if you say 'British accent' to them. Far safer to say English, and yes, for Romans they do sound very English!
wow...oh snap. yes your right...Are you of any the aforementioned descent? Could you throw some light on the aspect of the level of their relationship today as it stands between those 4 nations? r they very friendly? Or is there pent up anger at the history of yore? is it bcos of the history of what happened to them under the hands of the English? Am curious to knoiw the dynamics of relations in today"s times.
Welsh get on OK with the English, friendly rivalry but no bitterness (from my own experience)
Scots want their independence I think (the SNP, the nationalist party was voted in), some are more anti-English than others, I think they want the North Sea Oil for their own revenues rather than having it all go to London
and as for Ireland.... oh my word! So complicated with the issue of Northern Ireland. Some love the English, some hate them..
the symbol X and P are well known ancient RUNE signs the X stands for gefu meaning-gift
the P is wunjo it is a phonetic symbol the N and th J are silent it is pronouced phonetically WOOOOO like the howl of a WOLF its definition is JOY animal emotion the gift of joy. HOWEVER when you COmbine THE TWO SIGNS you get the symbol CALC the upside down fork it is the sign of DEATH the death of JOY the ancients did not understand the runes and only used them for political power
Constantine dind't do anything too revolutionary compared to other Emperors, he was associating himself with one specific god and sect, like Aurelian had done before him with Sol Invictus
Never read up on Constantine, that quick-change, and shield cross, took fortitude and will, as a military figure of the last millenium, that puts him with Robert The Bruce, Nelson, Napolean etc., hell you can really shoot the bullshite on YT eh? @CIR229, Aye, Satan works through signs, so does everything else, animals, humans, insects, immortals,even plants.
are they going to have some reference to the "spear of destiny". About cont's
sign'; all i know is he took it to mean something and switched to catholic the 1st emporer to do so, a VERY unlikely and almost impossible thing to occur and so began christianity's rise in power or influence. Still its funny how people will use almost anything to gain the upper hand on each other whether it be religion, signs or weapons?
BY THIS SIGN YOU SHALL CONQUER!
when he said those words I could feel my heart tremble
AnimeBigAl 5 days ago
"We speak the truth" -- not really. loll.
MJFAN666 1 month ago in playlist Ancient Rome
by the time Constantine came along "Christianity" had become brew of pagan philosophy.
artofcorfu 1 month ago
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@artofcorfu I would not say "by the time Constantine came along "Christianity" had become brew of pagan philosophy." that came into play after Constantine, but there were at least five major sects of Christianity and they did not always get along.
kraigthorne 3 weeks ago
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255ad 2 months ago
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3:42 yeah because whether it was a massage from god or not is NOT AT ALL important....sarcasm
255ad 2 months ago
"What it was is less important then what it was interpreted," remember this, all Christian, Jewish, Muslims, Hindi and Buddhists. Religions are nothing but well decorated swindles.
011yhong 3 months ago
"Sin now repent later." The REAL essence of Christianity.
leegeorgeson 5 months ago
@leegeorgeson for some christians, for many, not for all.
wotmot223 5 months ago
@leegeorgeson ignorance is bliss isn't it?
MrGilles1990 1 month ago
christianity is really a religion of weak +slaves, just like any other organized religion, each individual spirituality is different
ukusapillage 5 months ago
Faith is a gift rejected by the ignorant.
carlzilla1 6 months ago in playlist Documentary Roman Empire
@carlzilla1 you mean its a curse rejected by the wise?
leegeorgeson 5 months ago
Those christians are the same as they were 2000 years ago. Forever so preachy and insisting they're always right with their annoying "my god is the true god" shit.
busted192192 7 months ago
@busted192192 i am a christian but i am far from that you need to realize that not all christians are the same i am very open minded and open to knew ideas and if i do not agree with the bible i will state it which is why i don`t go to church
younginspiration1 2 months ago in playlist More videos from LadyAmaltheaUnicorn
@younginspiration1 you can't be a Christian and directly disagree with the bible
255ad 2 months ago
@younginspiration1 You are not a Christian, you are an usurper.
MrGilles1990 1 month ago
Under Constantine, Christianity would flourish. His army was baptised as was himself.
Categorycinque 7 months ago
is this a movie or history show
mrvasili50 7 months ago
@mrvasili50
thank you, people get too crazy in this.
1993frozenkiwi 1 month ago
some christians dont believe in "this"
newtsareamazing 7 months ago
@newtsareamazing Christ conquers as this history illustrates. He is not conquered as the false preachers try to say. And His city is not hidden but shines throughout history as a lamp that shines for all. and the Church was never invisible.
uncatila 7 months ago
A damn shame Rome turned its back on the gods, perhaps it was Jupiters fury that made the goths sack rome eventually
StyrbjornStarke 8 months ago
This is a crap job by the BBC. None of the historical records ever indicate that what Constantine saw could have been a meteor, or that he was constantly influenced by pesky Christians. What they have mostly stated is that he saw the vision in the sky that was a greek, Chi Rho symbol. It was said he heard a voice that said, "By this you will conquer". Now we don't know if it really happened, but what we do know is that it was recorded. The BBC just plain sucks when it come to historical accuracy
MissedTheMark 8 months ago
@MissedTheMark He probably didn't see anything and he, or the historians, just made it up.
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago in playlist Ancient Rome
@KayBeeEee1983 Why would he make up something so he can convert to a religion that he knew everyone would completely oppose? The romans hated christians. Why would he even change beliefs before a critical battle with an army who was all pagan? His own army didn't want to do it?? The thing is if you use the argument that the historians simply made that up then you can pretty much say that about all history..
MissedTheMark 8 months ago
@MissedTheMark How do you know everyone hated Christianity? Are you assuming they did because it was illegal? The Roman Empire was not a democracy.
That reminds me of people who say that the Apostles "wouldn't die for a lie". They assume that they were offered the option to recant. After the "Great Fire of Rome", Christians were blamed. The Apostles were targeted as leaders of a terrorist organization, not for their religious beliefs. Would the USA give Bin Laden the option to recant Islam?
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 How do I know everyone hated Christianity? How do I know Constantine every existed? The same exact way. It was documented. The only ones who didn't hate christianity were the christians. As for the apostles argument, they knew that preaching the gospel would insite fatal opposition, but they kept preaching anyway. Christians were dying long before the Great Fire of Rome. It was not only the Romans who were doing the killing, but also Jewish Zealots.
MissedTheMark 8 months ago
@MissedTheMark "How do I know everyone hated Christianity? It was documented"
Show me where it's documented. I'm not saying you're wrong, I would just like to check it out for myself. It's also important to know WHEN it was written, because if it were written after Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire, that would be suspicious, because a central theme of Christianity is persecution.
Are you assuming all Roman history is true?
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 Are you assuming that a lot of roman history is false because you don't agree with it? I don't understand why you are so anal about what might or might not have happen unless you had an agenda. The thing is, this documentary suggested history that wasn't documented. Usually, people do that when they don't like what was written because they have an agenda. As for your documentation; Eusebius, Vita Constantini, Zonaras, Compendium of History, Lactantius De Mortibus Persecutorum
MissedTheMark 8 months ago
@MissedTheMark There are events in Roman history that don't make any sense, and therefore they shouldn't be assumed true. If all of Rome hated Christianity, including the military, and Constantine converted to Christianity, why would they keep him as Emperor? Why wouldn't they consider him an antisocial nut and revolt? The obvious answer: THEY DON'T HATE CHRISTIANITY.
It's funny that you mention agendas, because Roman historians all had agendas, that's why they're filled with embellishments.
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 lol, why would they keep him as emperor? So they don't die. It takes time to plan an assassination. Constintine made the decision fast to convert the army. The army saw that the conversion helped them in their battle and became convinced themselves of it's "power". lol.. I liked that you screamed, "THEY DON'T HATE CHRISTIANITY.. It's almost like you do.
MissedTheMark 8 months ago
@MissedTheMark Did you really reference Eusebius? A Christian? You don't think he had an agenda?
It seems to me that you have the opposite problem. If you read history and LIKE what you read, you assume it's true. And when anyone question its reliability you try to deflect the argument and accuse the person of having an agenda rather than actually contemplating the possible historical inaccuracy. Like you doing right now....
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 Oh, God seriously?? I doesn't disregard his view. Of course anybody can skew history, but from your end, besides him being a christian, what other evidence do you have that his view was not legitimate? I'm just telling you what it said. Just because you can't stand Christianity now, doesn't mean that it didn't happen then. Your arguments have not substance behind them except, speculation.. That's it! Nothing else!
MissedTheMark 8 months ago
@MissedTheMark "Constintine made the decision fast to convert the army."
Who would convert to a religion that they hate? If they hate Christianity, they wouldn't believe that Christianity helped them. You're seriously the dumbest Christian I've ever talked to. I'm not speculating or assuming. It's conjecture, the ability to reason, and common sense. I'm not going to respond to any more of your comments.
P.S. typing in caps isn't yelling, it's emphasis. Exclamation points signify yelling....
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 lol.. Geez you get pissed easy.. lol.. It's like you're 4th grade again. When they make you mad, call them a name.. lol.. anyways.. A person would convert to another religion if there was some form of divine intervention that happened that convinced them otherwise, duh.. The whole point of God is that He is supernatural. So when something supernatural happens it forces a desicion. Of course you don't believe that it happened because you don't want to believe there is a God
MissedTheMark 8 months ago
@MissedTheMark "As for the apostles argument, they knew that preaching the gospel would insite fatal opposition, but they kept preaching anyway. Christians were dying long before the Great Fire of Rome. It was not only the Romans who were doing the killing, but also Jewish Zealots."
What are you basing that on? The book of Acts? There is nothing in any of Paul's letters to indicate that Christians were being killed during or before his time. Persecuted and imprisoned, yes, but not killed
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 Considering that the book of acts is a historical document, whether you like it or not, Yes. The persecution started after Stephen. Acts 12:1-3, Acts 11:19. Also Philip was crucified at Heliopolis, in Phrygia A. D. 54. Simon the Zealot was ministering in Persia, and was killed after refusing to sacrifice to the sun god. James was martyred in 62 A.D. Paul talks about it in 1 Thess. 2:14-15. Revelation 2:13 talks about Antipas being martyred.
MissedTheMark 8 months ago
@MissedTheMark "Considering that the book of acts is a historical document, whether you like it or not, Yes."
XD
Thanks for proving me right. Acts is outrageously inaccurate, even biblical scholars will tell you that. It contradicts Paul's letters.
As I've already said, just because some douche writes a story and claims it's factual DOESN'T MAKE IT SO.
Now I understand why you're so irrational and unreasonable.
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 Prove to me, right here and now tha the book of Acts is "outrageously inaccurate"? Not a little inaccurate, "Outrageously".. lol.. And on the other hand, just because there are even errors in a book, doesn't mean the whole book itself is inaccurate..
MissedTheMark 8 months ago
@MissedTheMark Umm..no..that will take a while to get it all together, you wouldn't believe or understand it anyway, and I just don't care about you. I've wasted enough time. Learn how to reason. Use your brain. There's no reason to disprove 1 + 1 = 3.
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 heh heh.. Couldn't resist to make one more comment even though you said you wouldnt? Next time, don't argue a topic you don't know much about. It will save you from feeling frustrated.. Have a nice day
MissedTheMark 8 months ago
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@MissedTheMark "don't argue a topic you don't know much about."
You should take your own advice. do you have any self awareness at all? You can't see your hypocrisy? not shocking, especially since you seem to think there are 2 religious choices: believing in the Judeo-Christian God, or no God at all.
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
@MissedTheMark Maybe he didn't change beliefs BEFORE the battle, only after he had secured power.
Do you think the army really cared which god, out of the hundreds within Roman paganism, Constantine worshiped?
People SHOULD be skeptical about Roman history. Much of what has survived was written decades, sometimes even generations, after the events described.
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 You said "Maybe he didn't change beliefs BEFORE the battle, only after he had secured power". Hey the historical writtings say what they say. These writers were writer of those then living. Not latter historians. You said "People SHOULD be skeptical about Roman history". That's a real dumb argument, why? Because that's where we get most of our history from. Most of the peoples of that time did not document their history. It is that very thing which deemed a people group civilized.
MissedTheMark 8 months ago
@MissedTheMark "Hey the historical writtings say what they say."
Just because it was written a long time ago, doesn't make it true.
""People SHOULD be skeptical about Roman history". That's a real dumb argument, why?"
I guess you stopped reading my post after that sentence. I said "Much of what has survived was written decades, sometimes even generations, after the events described." Also, Roman historians are notoriously unreliable. They exaggerate and contradict, particularly Josephus.
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 i didn't ignore your comment. I just didn't comment on it because you're just trying to use any argument. I don't care if roman historians are notoriously unreliable, it doesn't mean that all of them were, logically. You only want to use that argument when it applies to this topic because you have an agenda. Everybody uses those credibility arguments when they don't like how history was written.
MissedTheMark 8 months ago
@MissedTheMark "Most of the peoples of that time did not document their history. It is that very thing which deemed a people group civilized."
So what? Again, just because someone writes something, it's not guaranteed to be true. To assume it's true is idiotic, particularly ancient history. The Egyptians were also notorious liars. That doesn't mean you should assume all ancient history is false, it just means you should be skeptical, look for secondary sources, and use common sense.
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 I never said that all of it is true, I'm just telling you what it says. Who knows, you could be a liar too. What do I have from you that can make me think otherwise. The thing is, people disagree with history when they don't like it and use the ol' ad hominem attack when it suits them. Hey, it says what it says. Saying what it doesn't say is far more unreliable..
MissedTheMark 8 months ago
@MissedTheMark I'm not purporting anything to be true. I'm reasoning for you because you are obviously incapable of doing it yourself. You have proved you have no capacity to think critically. Let me repeat:
If all of Rome hated Christianity, including the military, and Constantine converted to Christianity, why would they keep him as Emperor? Why wouldn't they consider him an antisocial nut and revolt? The obvious answer: THEY DON'T HATE CHRISTIANITY.
You're hopeless.
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 lol.. I have no capacity to think critically? Are trying to bag on me?? lol.. When you get frustrated, you through insults cause it relieves your stress? Am I stressing you? Anyways,The people of Rome hated Christianity, even liberal, anti christian BBC agreed with that. I think it's just a pride issue with you. You don't want to admit you are wrong. Besides, you never provided me any support that the Roman empire was sympathetic to christians. So who is the crap historian now?
MissedTheMark 8 months ago
@MissedTheMark I'm not frustrated. My mind is boggled by your willful ignorance. I can't understand why people believe that blind faith is a virtue. Faith is fine, but you have faith in things that have proven to be contradictory and/or completely made up.
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
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@KayBeeEee1983 Prove to me that the things I believe in were made up.. Put your money where your mouth is?? ;)
MissedTheMark 8 months ago
Proof that the Roman empire was sympathetic to Christians during Constantine's time is the fact that he converted to Christianity and the people/army still followed him. What is so hard about that? You only accept written history as proof? Logic is proof.
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
@MissedTheMark "I think it's just a pride issue with you. You don't want to admit you are wrong."
Again, what a hypocrite you are. You, and other christians, don't want to admit you're wrong.
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 Again its pride that makes you contradict your own word. You can't stand having somebody you hate beat you in an argument. You said you weren't going to respond, now look at you.. Who's the hypocrite?? Exactly.. Practice what you preach.. Don't let your pride make you look anymore foolish than you do.. And besides, look at what your atheism has done for you.. It's made you into a bitter, angry, and frustrated person. Why I or anybody what to live in that hell..
MissedTheMark 8 months ago
@MissedTheMark You have serious mental problems. You call yourself a Christian? You didn't beat me in any argument. Like most Christians, you simply ignore logic and reason, and you swallow blatant lies and enjoy it. How long did it take you to write that post? It's filled with more bitterness than any other single youtube post I've ever seen. Seek help with a mental health professional. A real one, not your lazy, liar, pedophile priest/minister.
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 lol... I think you need a hug ;)
MissedTheMark 8 months ago
@MissedTheMark Can you write a single sentence without it being hypocritical? Seriously. You're the angriest Christian I've ever seen. You need more than a hug. You need to get laid.
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
@MissedTheMark If you think this hell, just imagine the hell you're going to be in when you die. Immoral hypocrites like you don't go to heaven. You can try to convince yourself that you will go to heaven, but it's all a lie, just like your religion.
Fact: Rome didn't hate Christianity during Paul's time, and they didn't hate Christianity during Constantine's time. You can believe all the lying apologists. Almost everything about Christianity is made up. Use your brain, if you even have one.
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 Have you tried the new skittles lately?? Mmm Mmm Mmm
MissedTheMark 8 months ago
@MissedTheMark See, you're crazy.
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 lol..
MissedTheMark 8 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 LOL Nope................he just doesn't want to take you seriously
TheRedemptionRain 7 months ago
@TheRedemptionRain She was taking me seriously up until I proved that her argument made no sense. Then she did what a lot of Christians do when someone uses logic and reason against them: she made fun of me....
KayBeeEee1983 7 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 LOL so? What is the point in arguing with someone who is just goofing around.........................oh gosh nvm, I am just tired of seeing people arguing over the internet =_=
TheRedemptionRain 7 months ago
@TheRedemptionRain She wasn't goofing around in the beginning. She thinks Constantine's conversion to a religion that everyone hated is proof that he really saw a sign from God.
KayBeeEee1983 7 months ago
Thracians, Celts and Romans - were the coolest players in the world (still..)
diptdipt 9 months ago
I don't like how ignorant people act like Christianity was the only horrible religion, there were horribly cruel religions both before and after Christianity. While its true that Christianity is responsible for a lot of bad things in the world, we as a race will never move forward if all we do is make childish attacks on peoples beliefs. People will simply hold onto their beliefs more strongly if all people do is attack their beliefs crudely. This is not the way to go about changing minds.
MrBrent123t 10 months ago
for goodness sake people can we not have this stupid conversation about whether about the crimes done in the name of christianity? Whether you people like it or not, constantine converted the empire to christianity and politicized it. Now obviously your gonna have those people who blame christianity for the fall of rome, ignoring other factors like the babarian invasions, the rising inflation and stagnation of the roman economy, and the decay in their armed forces. they cant be helped...
jamaicanification 1 year ago
is that God sing really happened ??? according to the real events
Gingie4life 1 year ago
i gotta small penis just like the emperor <3
nippletease 1 year ago
Every married man knows that face of Constantine in 6:25: oops, should not have told her!
bobpai2006 1 year ago
Proud to be descended from half Italian, we always eat and never gain weight...well that's not true some of us do gain weight. Besides that I used to weight 250 when I was 17, now that I started working out I only weight 180 and that's pure muscle. The actual trick to losing weight is having a hobby that brings your metabolism high.Then u can eat as much as you want and nothing goes on you. I eat around 4000 calories a day and nothing stays on me anymore! I'm still an American though.
Michaeltanase 1 year ago
Fausta
samson4474 1 year ago
Eric Idle makes a great Constantine.
avzett 1 year ago
Haha It's funny how completely natural occurrences with the aid of superstition and ignorance can turn into some sort of "devine intervention".
boogieman45 1 year ago
"It was a sign!!" No, it was a fuckin' rock.
ahmedeox 1 year ago
BBC have such interactive, realistic, and excellent documentaries and historical movies!
YoungandRestlessboy 1 year ago
@YoungandRestlessboy No shit!
Rachegotter 1 year ago
Was the woman a prostitute or something like that? Because of how they talk and act between 2:04-2:15.
YoungandRestlessboy 1 year ago
@chrisrogerrabbit just watch.
antram666 1 year ago
Northern People are the True Romans!
Scoused5000 1 year ago
damm that chick rocks :D but still its treu it was there rulez and if you dont you were dead and the armor some of the romans did have better armory this armor looks a bit barbarisch can be wrong though...
kabuto519 1 year ago
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Lightningtb2 1 year ago
Isac is stupid and fat
Lightningtb2 1 year ago
OMG I CANT STAND HOW THEY REPRESENT THE ROMAN MILITARY
THEIR AMORY WASNT AS SHITTY AS THEY DISPLAYED
Memogin 1 year ago
@Memogin It is the 4th century. Their armor changed in time.
ahmedeox 1 year ago
@Memogin true
munchkingpower 1 year ago
Constantine wasn't stupid. He knew that with Maxentius getting the backing of the pagan gods, he needed to counter with the opposite side of the theological coin, Christianity. That's all his 'conversion' was, it wasn't a mystical moment, it was cold hard PR and it's worked brilliantly for nigh on 1700 years now
Zeruel3 1 year ago
@Zeruel3 yeah it was a clever political move even though it brought over 1000 years of religious tyranny. Which surprisingly even survives today.
supersmash43 1 year ago
that is the guy from hot fuz Martian blower
twomells 1 year ago
Constantine should have just stuck to believing whatever he believed before Christianity.
FinsterIsAnIdiot 1 year ago
@FinsterIsAnIdiot And who are you to say what he should have done?
Dodo251 1 year ago
@FinsterIsAnIdiot
but he did. he had the gorgeous woman fausta executed for adultery later on (if memory serves, i will check) and one of his sons also, for rebellion. his christianity extended only to making himslf a 13th apostle and to the barbarity of his punishments for gays.
it was no christian conversion, and the christianization of the empire was a disaster for the church of christ
Strefanash 1 year ago
@coolasacoldsummer I should suck your dick for making such a spot-on observation! Mmm the RAPEture is coming! Jehovah will save only the few believers and the rest will burn in lake of fire!
markedexclusive 1 year ago
@JayAntiGay in the war of 1812 american soliders didnt all havet the traditional uniforms. some juat wore rags
cakelover33 1 year ago
rofl brits
Dryst0404 1 year ago
Hot Bitch!!! But like all women just does not know when to shut her mouth!!!!! Heavy is the head that wears the crown, i kinda feel bad for Constantine, We owe a lot to the guy who brought Christianity to the West, who cares if he believed in it himself. plus he had a cool name and we are still talking about him almost 2000 years later. Legacy!
TheMethadoneParty 1 year ago
stirrups?
leopictor 1 year ago
Roma semper invicta est, Patres nos ne obliviscemur sanguinem qui in venae filiorum Italiae effluit! Ferus Italianus esse, ferus Romanus esse.
RomaVictor85 1 year ago
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Fuck Christianity and all other religions.
PROSTATHS 1 year ago
That is very surprising to see that Constantine actually had a vision from the God.I have read the book The Rise and Fall of Roman Empire which was written by the famous British historian Edward Gibbon but i have not read anything that the author describes about Constantine having visions but the authors describes him as a great general and a politician.Looks like i have to read that part again to see for the vision part.
fah369 1 year ago
if yu pray to the god of the jews...you are praying to the god who abandoned jesus to die ...jews hate jesus, and everbody else hwo is not a jew
berjah1 1 year ago
@berjah1 not entirely true!!
ESP1EMG 1 year ago
@berjah1 God did not abandon Jesus to die on the cross. Jesus and God knew He would have to die to save us from our sins. God even said it in the Bible.
lindonspence 1 year ago
@berjah1 hey sweetstuff, your precious Christianity is just a far-removed Jewish sect. Chew on that for a while.
AquaRing 1 year ago
yeah. she's right!!! It's a slave's religion!!
maunus 1 year ago
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wissamsam 1 year ago
@wissamsam please dont class the british as similar to the americans. we are nothing like them. i know the media in your country probably distorts your view of our country but we are decent people, it's just many of our politicians have given us a bad image. do not generalise people.
CiderCanRaver 1 year ago
@maunus i agree, paganism or straight out atheism all the way!
16Canadian 1 year ago
@16Canadian
Yeah! Because paganism and atheism are not corrupt!!!
maunus 1 year ago
I never did, don't, never will believe that Constantine was struck by some sort of vision. He was just an excellent politician using the new and now quite powerfull faith to his own benefit.
13Filmrisse 1 year ago
the british accent just ruins it. would have been better if it was italian accent.
msquestionmark 1 year ago
oh no, this is about stupid christianity!
msquestionmark 1 year ago
@msquestionmark like it or not it plays a part of history. The story of Jesus as an existing human is corroborated by the romans. The fact that Jesus existed however does not add to the argument that the Christian God exists.
SocialistReign 1 year ago
It is intelligent the way that BBC handles the moment of revelation.
vidoniv 1 year ago
bla bla "we speak the truth"
I have nothing against the original christianity, Jesus had a perfect message..love your neighbour, bring peace and love and help others. And he didnt force his religion upon others...like most of the other christians did.
IvanBeSerious 1 year ago
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AlexOfMacedonAOMH 1 year ago
christantly is'nt a slave's religion its the world's greatest religion its rome,spain and america's strongest religion
lewisguner1 1 year ago
@lewisguner1 back in that time it was a slave's religion, now it's mostly for lunatics or people in undevelopped countries
AlexOfMacedonAOMH 1 year ago
@AlexOfMacedonAOMH Nice uneducated comment
lindonspence 1 year ago
"..i put my faith in noone thats why i'm still alive.." WTF did he
later change his mind ?
rogvr781 1 year ago
"Christians are dirty. It's a slave religion. Besides, they don't approve of this...or this..."
I suddenly want to bang this ancient Roman chick. Hard. :D
EricMetalGuitarist 1 year ago 24
@EricMetalGuitarist it's amazing how her description of Christianity is still relevant today
bh3ader 1 year ago
@EricMetalGuitarist you will regret your words heretic
munchkingpower 1 year ago
@munchkingpower i was talking about the woman
munchkingpower 1 year ago
@munchkingpower What was that woman's name? I didn't catch it.
Kakarot19902010 1 year ago
@munchkingpower Throw this one to the lions!
Lol. What's up, dude.
EricMetalGuitarist 1 year ago
@EricMetalGuitarist lmfao
asacestt 1 year ago
@EricMetalGuitarist Amen to that my friend xD
DaanUniversal 10 months ago
btw any1 whos wondering romans didnt speak english they spoke latin all roman soldiers were required understand latin as orders were given in latin for example testudo is latin for turtle (the formation)
ShadowTempest42 1 year ago
Poor Dinosaurs :(
TVboy76 1 year ago
The Romans with their short life spans have never seen a meteorite before.
nobleheight 1 year ago
"You like this, don't you?" WTF? it scripts like a soft porn movie rather than a documentary
lovellespice 1 year ago
The Romans have such British accents...lol
kaluski 2 years ago 56
Remember its not PC to say British as you will upset the Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish if you say 'British accent' to them. Far safer to say English, and yes, for Romans they do sound very English!
sonrosado 1 year ago
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kaluski 1 year ago
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wow...oh snap. yes your right...Are you of any the aforementioned descent? Could you throw some light on the aspect of the level of their relationship today as it stands between those 4 nations? r they very friendly? Or is there pent up anger at the history of yore? is it bcos of the history of what happened to them under the hands of the English? Am curious to knoiw the dynamics of relations in today"s times.
kaluski 1 year ago
@sonrosado...i mean relations as it stands between the Welsh, Scots, Irish and the Brits.
kaluski 1 year ago
Welsh get on OK with the English, friendly rivalry but no bitterness (from my own experience)
Scots want their independence I think (the SNP, the nationalist party was voted in), some are more anti-English than others, I think they want the North Sea Oil for their own revenues rather than having it all go to London
and as for Ireland.... oh my word! So complicated with the issue of Northern Ireland. Some love the English, some hate them..
sonrosado 1 year ago
the roman empire made the anglo saxon (brits) are direct royal desendence of the romans
613bo 1 year ago
@kaluski Not only that, but I didn't know the Romans spoke any English at all.
nobleheight 1 year ago
@kaluski Much better than Romans that sound like Americans.
Trollmaster21 1 year ago 3
@Trollmaster21 the christian religion is irrational
meaks88 1 year ago
@meaks88 True, but the pagan religion is way more far nutty with it's many thousands of gods and animal sacrifice.
Trollmaster21 1 year ago
@Trollmaster21 thats teirrible
meaks88 1 year ago
Animal sacrif. are on both places, read the bible. Still the same shit.
GodmyX 1 year ago
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@kaluski yeah it would be more funny if they have Latin accents ...
MDK775 1 year ago
@kaluski hahahahhahah
northbeachfilms 1 year ago
the actors are british the romans have italian accents why because there from italy
lewisgunner1 1 year ago
@lewisgunner1 the italian language didn't exist in the 4th century.
johnqpublic2718 1 year ago
the italian launge is from the latin launge and so is the spanish launge s
lewisgunner1 1 year ago
@lewisgunner1 yes i know, both languages come from vulgar latin, but at this time, the Italian language as it exists today was just not so.
johnqpublic2718 1 year ago
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yes i understand what you are saying
lewisgunner1 1 year ago
the symbol X and P are well known ancient RUNE signs the X stands for gefu meaning-gift
the P is wunjo it is a phonetic symbol the N and th J are silent it is pronouced phonetically WOOOOO like the howl of a WOLF its definition is JOY animal emotion the gift of joy. HOWEVER when you COmbine THE TWO SIGNS you get the symbol CALC the upside down fork it is the sign of DEATH the death of JOY the ancients did not understand the runes and only used them for political power
nukarr 2 years ago
@nukarr
if the ancients did not understand the meaning of the sign...how do you know the meaning of them?
blackashell13 2 years ago
Constantine dind't do anything too revolutionary compared to other Emperors, he was associating himself with one specific god and sect, like Aurelian had done before him with Sol Invictus
Zeruel3 2 years ago
Solis Invictus = Mtira = corected Jeshua ben Sheb (Jesus Christus).
cazaret 2 years ago
ok every religion is the same,the budda christ,etc different name same person god.can we just stop fighting were all christans arent we????
bloodravenmarine 2 years ago
Never read up on Constantine, that quick-change, and shield cross, took fortitude and will, as a military figure of the last millenium, that puts him with Robert The Bruce, Nelson, Napolean etc., hell you can really shoot the bullshite on YT eh? @CIR229, Aye, Satan works through signs, so does everything else, animals, humans, insects, immortals,even plants.
locheelad2 2 years ago
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denissesage 2 years ago
are they going to have some reference to the "spear of destiny". About cont's
sign'; all i know is he took it to mean something and switched to catholic the 1st emporer to do so, a VERY unlikely and almost impossible thing to occur and so began christianity's rise in power or influence. Still its funny how people will use almost anything to gain the upper hand on each other whether it be religion, signs or weapons?
8lsatyq 2 years ago
What is this crap? This is beginning to look like one of those magical religious Battlestar Galactica episodes.
billyboyjennings 2 years ago
yeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaah hip hip hurray catholisism
jorp98 2 years ago 2
a myth
mushu144 2 years ago
That woman is right!
Archimedes555453525 2 years ago 4